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Has anyone had any negative effects from meditation?

 
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Has anyone had any negative effects from meditation?
I've been meditating a few years and periodically I'll get this shift in perception, normally these are very subtle but recently I had a much bigger one and it's felt like my ego has been mortally wounded.

I've stopped caring the things that I always cared about and it feels like I'm walking around in a video game. I don't feel connected to world anymore. I feel generally calm but there's very little emotional sensation going on at all. Everything seems hollow any empty.

I never got into meditation expecting this. I just saw it as calming practice.

Have any long-term meditators experienced anything similar?
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How the hell are you meditating???

I hope you are not opening up your mind and letting anything flood into it. When meditating, it is best to focus your mind on one thing. Don't chant either, especially to some "Om" deity...

If you deeply meditate, you can astral travel....

Be wary when doing this. There are other entities, in other dimensions that can effect or capture your inner soul or Chi....
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How the hell are you meditating???

I hope you are not opening up your mind and letting anything flood into it. When meditating, it is best to focus your mind on one thing. Don't chant either, especially to some "Om" deity...

If you deeply meditate, you can astral travel....

Be wary when doing this. There are other entities, in other dimensions that can effect or capture your inner soul or Chi....
 Quoting: DuckNCover


Just basic mindfulness meditation where you try to focus on the breathing.

I don't think people understand what they're getting into when they meditate. You're literally killing your essence which is your ego. All your like/dislikes, attachments are the product of your ego. Meditation quietens the ego and slowly but surely kills it.

I didn't understand the process when I started. Only in retrospect does it all makes sense.
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The thing is meditation came from the East.

It is about spiritual growth.

The old Christians ages and ages ago called it contemplation.

That was contemplation about Jesus.

You have reached a space where the emotions are not.

I used to feel floaty and disconnected at one time.

It is wise to keep yourself protected when you meditate as you can inadvertently leave your world.

Do you chant or do you just go into a calm space?

Well whatever ,to be in the world you have to ground yourself.

Imagine yourself firmly on the earth ,part of the earth. Take your shoes off and feel the ground. Feel love for your place on the earth.

You must make yourself safe ,before you meditate again.

There are more thinks in heaven and earth then we know of ...not all are nice.

I ask Jesus because he has always kept me safe.

Then imagine you are in a bubble which will protect you.

If you are anxious it is maybe better to stop meditating altogether and try another way..

So imagine a time when you were happy and relaxed. See if you can bring this in you mind. When the feeling is strong click your fingers . Then when you click your fingers later the happy feeling will come back. It does not have to be click of fingers .It could be wriggling your toes or what ever you want.

I expect this is the safest thing for you to do and leave the meditation . I gave up meditation because of similar stuff.

If I did relaxing in yoga I had funny visions. Once I went straight into a Scottish battle scenario. I gave the yoga up too.

I hope this helps..
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I've been meditating a few years and periodically I'll get this shift in perception, normally these are very subtle but recently I had a much bigger one and it's felt like my ego has been mortally wounded.

I've stopped caring the things that I always cared about and it feels like I'm walking around in a video game. I don't feel connected to world anymore. I feel generally calm but there's very little emotional sensation going on at all. Everything seems hollow any empty.

I never got into meditation expecting this. I just saw it as calming practice.

Have any long-term meditators experienced anything similar?
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This is called state of "nihilism". You may currently undergo a process of kind of a missinterpretation of "emptiness" as described in Buddhism. You should go and seek advice from a real pro Buddhist master in the line of Mahayana for instance...and try to avoid the new kadampa tradition if possible...
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How the hell are you meditating???

I hope you are not opening up your mind and letting anything flood into it. When meditating, it is best to focus your mind on one thing. Don't chant either, especially to some "Om" deity...

If you deeply meditate, you can astral travel....

Be wary when doing this. There are other entities, in other dimensions that can effect or capture your inner soul or Chi....
 Quoting: DuckNCover


well that explains it then.
i dont meditate because i did it wrong and saw too many faces i didnt like keep appearing.
made me become averse to it.
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Stay away from meditation, it is the road to destruction. A nice walk in the woods or swim in natural water will do more for you than meditation ever could.
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Re: Has anyone had any negative effects from meditation?
How the hell are you meditating???

I hope you are not opening up your mind and letting anything flood into it. When meditating, it is best to focus your mind on one thing. Don't chant either, especially to some "Om" deity...

If you deeply meditate, you can astral travel....

Be wary when doing this. There are other entities, in other dimensions that can effect or capture your inner soul or Chi....
 Quoting: DuckNCover


Just basic mindfulness meditation where you try to focus on the breathing.

I don't think people understand what they're getting into when they meditate. You're literally killing your essence which is your ego. All your like/dislikes, attachments are the product of your ego. Meditation quietens the ego and slowly but surely kills it.

I didn't understand the process when I started. Only in retrospect does it all makes sense.
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if this is all true then allow me to suggest that before you finish meditating, call back your original essence to enter through your crown and fill up all the empty places inside you.
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Stay away from meditation, it is the road to destruction. A nice walk in the woods or swim in natural water will do more for you than meditation ever could.
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walking in the woods is meditation. being in nature is meditation.
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The thing is meditation came from the East.

It is about spiritual growth.

The old Christians ages and ages ago called it contemplation.

That was contemplation about Jesus.

You have reached a space where the emotions are not.

I used to feel floaty and disconnected at one time.

It is wise to keep yourself protected when you meditate as you can inadvertently leave your world.

Do you chant or do you just go into a calm space?

Well whatever ,to be in the world you have to ground yourself.

Imagine yourself firmly on the earth ,part of the earth. Take your shoes off and feel the ground. Feel love for your place on the earth.

You must make yourself safe ,before you meditate again.

There are more thinks in heaven and earth then we know of ...not all are nice.

I ask Jesus because he has always kept me safe.

Then imagine you are in a bubble which will protect you.

If you are anxious it is maybe better to stop meditating altogether and try another way..

So imagine a time when you were happy and relaxed. See if you can bring this in you mind. When the feeling is strong click your fingers . Then when you click your fingers later the happy feeling will come back. It does not have to be click of fingers .It could be wriggling your toes or what ever you want.

I expect this is the safest thing for you to do and leave the meditation . I gave up meditation because of similar stuff.

If I did relaxing in yoga I had funny visions. Once I went straight into a Scottish battle scenario. I gave the yoga up too.

I hope this helps..
 Quoting: How do you solve a problem?


I stopped meditation myself. I can only see the issues getting worse as I continue. I can see that someone who intended for this to happen wouldn't have a problem with where I'm at. I can see the trajectory is towards a sense of oneness with the universe. Unfortunately I never wanted this.

I didn't realise when I started meditating that the sense of oneness comes at a cost of all the things you love in life and everything that you are (your ego). I'd have never started had I known this.
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Re: Has anyone had any negative effects from meditation?
How the hell are you meditating???

I hope you are not opening up your mind and letting anything flood into it. When meditating, it is best to focus your mind on one thing. Don't chant either, especially to some "Om" deity...

If you deeply meditate, you can astral travel....

Be wary when doing this. There are other entities, in other dimensions that can effect or capture your inner soul or Chi....
 Quoting: DuckNCover


THIS. I meditated for 25 years. Stopped completely once I realized it created an easy pathway for undesirable spirits to mess with me. Like another poster said, a walk in a beautiful natural setting is way better. Or spending time with a baby.
Awake Dreamer (not a "Dreamer")
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How the hell are you meditating???
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Meditation means emptying your mind from thoughts, feelings, perceptions ... to find back to your Source you came from.
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Stay away from meditation, it is the road to destruction. A nice walk in the woods or swim in natural water will do more for you than meditation ever could.
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I totally agree now. It's literally the process of killing your SELF. The self/ego is what continues from lifetime to lifetime. I've seen the unique characteristics that made up me gradually get eroded through meditation. Unfortunately by the time I realised what was happening I couldn't reverse it.
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How the hell are you meditating???

I hope you are not opening up your mind and letting anything flood into it. When meditating, it is best to focus your mind on one thing. Don't chant either, especially to some "Om" deity...

If you deeply meditate, you can astral travel....

Be wary when doing this. There are other entities, in other dimensions that can effect or capture your inner soul or Chi....
 Quoting: DuckNCover


THIS. I meditated for 25 years. Stopped completely once I realized it created an easy pathway for undesirable spirits to mess with me. Like another poster said, a walk in a beautiful natural setting is way better. Or spending time with a baby.
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What kind of meditation were you doing and how long were you doing it a day?

Have you noticed much effect on your character? Positive or negative.
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The self/ego is what continues from lifetime to lifetime.
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Deep sleep rids you of the ego on the daily basis, too bad just for hours. Enough to awake vitalized every morning anew iamwith
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The self/ego is what continues from lifetime to lifetime.
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Deep sleep rids you of the ego on the daily basis, too bad just for hours. Enough to awake vitalized every morning anew iamwith
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Your ego isn't something you should want to get rid of. Say you like a particular band and you get that tingly feeling on the back of your neck when you hear a certain song. That wouldn't happen without your ego forming some kind of connection to that music.

So many pleasures you experience in life are the product of your ego. There's nothing wrong with wanting to tweak the bits of the ego you don't like but getting rid of it entirely is not good. Unfortunately people don't realise that's exactly what you're doing when you meditate.
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Meditation is merely the learning of self observation from a non-ego standpoint. It does not bring negative or positive effect, simply brings you more into present awareness of your current mind state.

"felt like my ego has been mortally wounded"

Ego doesn't let go lightly. It digs its claws in with great fear. Perhaps Ego is having less influence on you and as such is lashing out as a result. Ego can not be mortally wounded. It can only be decreased or increased in significance.

'Everything seems hollow any empty.'

why are you attributing hollowness and emptiness to a condition of general calmness? This again is Ego, telling you existence sucks without the judgement and the attachment to the ups and downs of emotional states.

'I just saw it as calming practice'

it is a calming practice, that also shows benefits of health (lower BP, increased intelligence, greater mental clarity, better coping mechanism skills).

Ignore the grips of the Ego attempting to regain control and continue your practice. You may begin to experience great bliss - but again do not attach to the bliss as this only increases Ego influence. Do not be pursued to believe in demons and boogieman - they are merely constructs of minds consumed by Ego.

The only time I've seen or heard of meditation resulting in truly negative experiences is with those suffering from Schizophrenia, which makes sense as the schizophrenic mind is trapped in a mire of Ego so strong that it's rarely penetrated. When it attempts meditation the Ego can become full on and result in increased delusion.
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Before Buddha became enlightened, while he was meditating, he also was accosted by what some are calling entities.

Buddha described it as a goddess, Maya, which represents illusion. He was saying that as he meditated, he was tempted by all of the illusions of the world and more illusions not of this world. ALL of the temptations are designed to make you STOP meditating.

He taught that one must become conscious of every one of these entities as they come, and smile at them with compassion. They will eventually leave you alone.

If you show these entities something other than compassion, you risk making their intrusion into your life stronger.
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The self/ego is what continues from lifetime to lifetime.
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Deep sleep rids you of the ego on the daily basis, too bad just for hours. Enough to awake vitalized every morning anew iamwith
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Your ego isn\'t something you should want to get rid of. Say you like a particular band and you get that tingly feeling on the back of your neck when you hear a certain song. That wouldn\'t happen without your ego forming some kind of connection to that music.

So many pleasures you experience in life are the product of your ego. There\'s nothing wrong with wanting to tweak the bits of the ego you don\'t like but getting rid of it entirely is not good. Unfortunately people don\'t realise that\'s exactly what you\'re doing when you meditate.
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You cannot get rid of the ego anyway. Ego is the very basis for Duality we live in. Duality is deadly though, no one gets out here alive.
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Re: Has anyone had any negative effects from meditation?
When I meditate I go into a trance where I hear voices and perceive contact with entities.

But I am "schizophrenic" by conventional standards anyway... May not happen to normal people.
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When I meditate I go into a trance where I hear voices and perceive contact with entities.

But I am \"schizophrenic\" by conventional standards anyway... May not happen to normal people.
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That´s the wrong way to meditate, get rid of other entities than you.
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Re: Has anyone had any negative effects from meditation?
Christian?

God told you to let go of this world and to not love it.

You're doing more to adhere to that teaching than most of your ilk.

Once you reach a certain point; you'll realize that this place is illusion and not a true existence so to speak. That's what all the true spiritual masters have taught. We all have this connection to something else; something greater that tells us that much of physical life is cruel and corrupt.

Or you can try to take the blue pill and believe that this is the way it truly is.
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It caused me to fall asleep and miss an important meeting.
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When I meditate I go into a trance where I hear voices and perceive contact with entities.

But I am \"schizophrenic\" by conventional standards anyway... May not happen to normal people.
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That´s the wrong way to meditate, get rid of other entities than you.
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They're in my brains... I can't kill them unless I obliterate my neurons with drugs!

I just try to deal with it.
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When I meditate I go into a trance where I hear voices and perceive contact with entities.

But I am \\\"schizophrenic\\\" by conventional standards anyway... May not happen to normal people.
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That´s the wrong way to meditate, get rid of other entities than you.
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They\'re in my brains... I can\'t kill them unless I obliterate my neurons with drugs!

I just try to deal with it.
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The brain is yours, they are just your thoughts. Meditation is calming down the mind end eventually getting rid of thoughts, feelings, perception ... only bliss remains.
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When I meditate I go into a trance where I hear voices and perceive contact with entities.

But I am \\\\\\\"schizophrenic\\\\\\\" by conventional standards anyway... May not happen to normal people.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69056790


That´s the wrong way to meditate, get rid of other entities than you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50173942

They\\\'re in my brains... I can\\\'t kill them unless I obliterate my neurons with drugs!

I just try to deal with it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69056790


The brain is yours, they are just your thoughts. Meditation is calming down the mind end eventually getting rid of thoughts, feelings, perception ... only bliss remains.
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Meditation is like the deep sleep just without falling asleep.
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Yes lucid dreaming making out with a girl who wasn't real
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Re: Has anyone had any negative effects from meditation?
When I meditate I go into a trance where I hear voices and perceive contact with entities.

But I am \"schizophrenic\" by conventional standards anyway... May not happen to normal people.
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That´s the wrong way to meditate, get rid of other entities than you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50173942

They're in my brains... I can't kill them unless I obliterate my neurons with drugs!

I just try to deal with it.
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have you tried high medicinal dosages of niacin which is known to quiet those voices?
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Re: Has anyone had any negative effects from meditation?
Meditation is merely the learning of self observation from a non-ego standpoint. It does not bring negative or positive effect, simply brings you more into present awareness of your current mind state.

"felt like my ego has been mortally wounded"

Ego doesn't let go lightly. It digs its claws in with great fear. Perhaps Ego is having less influence on you and as such is lashing out as a result. Ego can not be mortally wounded. It can only be decreased or increased in significance.

'Everything seems hollow any empty.'

why are you attributing hollowness and emptiness to a condition of general calmness? This again is Ego, telling you existence sucks without the judgement and the attachment to the ups and downs of emotional states.

'I just saw it as calming practice'

it is a calming practice, that also shows benefits of health (lower BP, increased intelligence, greater mental clarity, better coping mechanism skills).

Ignore the grips of the Ego attempting to regain control and continue your practice. You may begin to experience great bliss - but again do not attach to the bliss as this only increases Ego influence. Do not be pursued to believe in demons and boogieman - they are merely constructs of minds consumed by Ego.

The only time I've seen or heard of meditation resulting in truly negative experiences is with those suffering from Schizophrenia, which makes sense as the schizophrenic mind is trapped in a mire of Ego so strong that it's rarely penetrated. When it attempts meditation the Ego can become full on and result in increased delusion.
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>Ego doesn't let go lightly. It digs its claws in with great fear.

I know. I've been going through hell in this recent perception shift meditation has brought on. I didn't want to diminish a lot of aspects of myself so it's been a horrible experience watching them slip away.

The thing is meditation is a process that will kill your ego if you do it enough. It doesn't matter if you don't want it to happen, it will. I didn't realise what meditation was doing to me until recently. I'd only noticed quite minimal effects up to this point so I thought it was a positive thing.

>why are you attributing hollowness and emptiness to a condition of general calmness?

Because things have become empty. I now understand that subconsciously your ego is attached to a whole bunch of things in the world, it gives them labels and feels different emotion for things. When the ego is diminished through meditation gradually the world becomes more flat because your ego is attributing less meaning to things in the world.

>The only time I've seen or heard of meditation resulting in truly negative experiences is with those suffering from Schizophrenia

Negative and positive are subjective things. What is negative to me might not be negative to you. I'm saying my experience of the effects of meditation has been negative based on what I was expecting out of it. If you were in my situation you might be perfectly fine with it.
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Yes lucid dreaming making out with a girl who wasn\'t real
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Deep sleep and dreaming are not the same.
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When I meditate I go into a trance where I hear voices and perceive contact with entities.

But I am \"schizophrenic\" by conventional standards anyway... May not happen to normal people.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69056790


That´s the wrong way to meditate, get rid of other entities than you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50173942

They're in my brains... I can't kill them unless I obliterate my neurons with drugs!

I just try to deal with it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69056790


have you tried high medicinal dosages of niacin which is known to quiet those voices?
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How high? Is that safe?

I have B-100 pills but they have 100mg of all B vitamins...





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