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ArchimedesGirl (OP) User ID: 48501570 United States 03/19/2017 03:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thoughts: After waking up, praying, and thinking. . . I realized a few things: All of "the Dead" were restless, and had some sort of vice. There were none among them that I would call "at peace" even during life. They all had some kind of fretful greed or pursuit. The Living seemed to give off "scents" or "sounds" that attracted the Dead that had the same interests or vices as the Living. There was a small group of people the Dead did not gather around - these people gave off a different "scent" or perhaps none at all. In the dream, this unique group of people seemed focused on something outside of themselves. They also visually appeared "beautiful" to me, although upon close analysis, the beauty was also in their focus. Self-control, love, self-discipline, soberness, joy, productivity, generosity, courage. . . all of these things came to mind as I searched for a commonality. Prophetic dreams about a coming war and those who survive: Thread: "Communism for California" west coast riots from 2006 dream (update: streaming hive mind dream) How to Eject: Thread: Game Over - a Journey to Freedom (story complete) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74505647 United States 03/19/2017 03:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A guy wrote a book, called "Hungry Ghosts", I think. He was a journalist, and a firm skeptic, who investigated the paranormal phenomenon. He concluded that ghosts were real but that they weren't the dead. They were more like demons who could observe so many things and imitate dead people,displaying knowledge that would convince living people who sought them that they were dead relatives. As in your dream, they are spirits who love sin and enjoy watching the show when they can convince people to sin. They mislead people and isolate them from the living, all the better to use them. He said there were many accounts of people believing the flattery and attention of these spirits and cutting off all relations even with their own spouses. It seems probable to me. God would not have warned us against talking to the dead if they weren't real - in some sense. |
ArchimedesGirl (OP) User ID: 48501570 United States 03/19/2017 03:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | These also came to mind while praying: This is my understanding of a letter written to the Hebrew followers of Christ: So now, seeing that we are surrounded with a multitude of Dead witnesses, we should get rid of everything that weighs us down, and any vice that keeps us from running a perfect race. Look at Jesus Christ, who is the Creator and perfector of that which we believe. He also ran this race, knowing the joy that would follow his death on the cross. Although he despised the shame of that death, now he is sitting (alive) on the right hand of the throne of God. ¶ Remember him who endured so much hatred and war against himself, so you won't be weary and give up in your mind. Prophetic dreams about a coming war and those who survive: Thread: "Communism for California" west coast riots from 2006 dream (update: streaming hive mind dream) How to Eject: Thread: Game Over - a Journey to Freedom (story complete) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74505647 United States 03/19/2017 03:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My great niece was reported by relatives to talk to the spirits of the dead all the time. Whenever I asked her about it, she denied it. Although I could sense that she was being evasive. Later, when I spoke to another family member about it, he said the ghosts told her that there were some people that she was not to speak of them to, and I was the top of the list. |
ArchimedesGirl (OP) User ID: 48501570 United States 03/19/2017 03:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And this from Isaiah 48:22, There is no peace, saith the Existing One, unto the wicked. Prophetic dreams about a coming war and those who survive: Thread: "Communism for California" west coast riots from 2006 dream (update: streaming hive mind dream) How to Eject: Thread: Game Over - a Journey to Freedom (story complete) |
ArchimedesGirl (OP) User ID: 48501570 United States 03/19/2017 03:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A guy wrote a book, called "Hungry Ghosts", I think. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74505647 He was a journalist, and a firm skeptic, who investigated the paranormal phenomenon. He concluded that ghosts were real but that they weren't the dead. They were more like demons who could observe so many things and imitate dead people,displaying knowledge that would convince living people who sought them that they were dead relatives. As in your dream, they are spirits who love sin and enjoy watching the show when they can convince people to sin. They mislead people and isolate them from the living, all the better to use them. He said there were many accounts of people believing the flattery and attention of these spirits and cutting off all relations even with their own spouses. It seems probable to me. God would not have warned us against talking to the dead if they weren't real - in some sense. Yes, interesting. . . So, I was thinking: disembodied Angels are "evil spirits" according to Christ. So, it would follow that disembodied humans are also "spirits" - and that they also could be good or evil. . . yes? The difference between evil angels and humans would be not change if they were dead - they would simply not have bodies. So it could be that "talking with the dead" is exactly that. And that the Dead can also be "evil spirits." If they were evil in life. Sometimes they might just be a fussy, worrisome old aunt that just won't shut up and mind her own business - many "hauntings" sound like this. Also, it appears that evil people consort with evil spirits. It is likely you would find them together. Anyway. . . I guess my question is, So What? What is the point of this - how is this useful to us? Last Edited by ArchimedesGirl on 03/19/2017 03:51 PM Prophetic dreams about a coming war and those who survive: Thread: "Communism for California" west coast riots from 2006 dream (update: streaming hive mind dream) How to Eject: Thread: Game Over - a Journey to Freedom (story complete) |
cosmicgypsy User ID: 68929326 United States 03/19/2017 03:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | These also came to mind while praying: Quoting: ArchimedesGirl This is my understanding of a letter written to the Hebrew followers of Christ: So now, seeing that we are surrounded with a multitude of Dead witnesses, we should get rid of everything that weighs us down, and any vice that keeps us from running a perfect race. Look at Jesus Christ, who is the Creator and perfector of that which we believe. He also ran this race, knowing the joy that would follow his death on the cross. Although he despised the shame of that death, now he is sitting (alive) on the right hand of the throne of God. ¶ Remember him who endured so much hatred and war against himself, so you won't be weary and give up in your mind. I think therein you've found your answer, especially what I have underlined. As well, that realm of beings that you saw is exactly that, a realm of this reality. It's one of many. There is far more "out there," and I hope you go beyond to see...well, after you digest this. It's a bit much to chew, but you seem to be doing well and fine. You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller ...I adapt to the unknown, under wandering stars I've grown, by myself, but not alone... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
ArchimedesGirl (OP) User ID: 48501570 United States 03/19/2017 10:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sorry I was gone for a while and missed the last reply. Thanks for that! Prophetic dreams about a coming war and those who survive: Thread: "Communism for California" west coast riots from 2006 dream (update: streaming hive mind dream) How to Eject: Thread: Game Over - a Journey to Freedom (story complete) |
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ArchimedesGirl (OP) User ID: 48501570 United States 03/19/2017 11:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | can you explain worry as a vice? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72797095 "but still had some vice like worry..." or is it a sin? Some people may equate worry with active carefulness or active watchfulness. . . I am using "worry" as a perspective of pointless fear or doubt: If there is an issue you can't change no matter what you do, and you spend time and energy worrying, then that is a vice: "I'm worried about whether or not my husband is going to make enough money at that new job." (can't do anything about this - why worry?) If there is an issue you can change and don't - but just worry about it, then that is also a vice: "I'm worried about my kid being safe at school." (so homeschool him already!) I have family members that love, enjoy, delight, thrill. . .in being worried all the time about everything! The difference between a vice and a sin, in my mind, is that a vice is like an addictive sin that you justify in your own mind and do over and over. Prophetic dreams about a coming war and those who survive: Thread: "Communism for California" west coast riots from 2006 dream (update: streaming hive mind dream) How to Eject: Thread: Game Over - a Journey to Freedom (story complete) |
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ArchimedesGirl (OP) User ID: 48501570 United States 03/19/2017 11:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | double post! Last Edited by ArchimedesGirl on 03/19/2017 11:19 PM Prophetic dreams about a coming war and those who survive: Thread: "Communism for California" west coast riots from 2006 dream (update: streaming hive mind dream) How to Eject: Thread: Game Over - a Journey to Freedom (story complete) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72797095 Canada 03/19/2017 11:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | can you explain worry as a vice? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72797095 "but still had some vice like worry..." or is it a sin? Some people may equate worry with active carefulness or active watchfulness. . . I am using "worry" as a perspective of pointless fear or doubt: If there is an issue you can't change no matter what you do, and you spend time and energy worrying, then that is a vice: "I'm worried about whether or not my husband is going to make enough money at that new job." (can't do anything about this - why worry?) If there is an issue you can change and don't - but just worry about it, then that is also a vice: "I'm worried about my kid being safe at school." (so homeschool him already!) I have family members that love, enjoy, delight, thrill. . .in being worried all the time about everything! The difference between a vice and a sin, in my mind, is that a vice is like an addictive sin that you justify in your own mind and do over and over. Thanks for the reply! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 14992014 United States 03/20/2017 12:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Very interesting dream and thread. Thanks for sharing. I think there's a lot of truth to this. So there were no positive ghosties? No loving relatives watching over the young and vulnerable? Maybe (hopefully) there is another layer or plane you will see with good ancestors or angels. It kind of reminds me of the concept of archons in Gnosticism and thetans in Scientology. |
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ArchimedesGirl (OP) User ID: 48501570 United States 03/20/2017 03:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Very interesting dream and thread. Thanks for sharing. I think there's a lot of truth to this. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14992014 So there were no positive ghosties? No loving relatives watching over the young and vulnerable? Maybe (hopefully) there is another layer or plane you will see with good ancestors or angels. It kind of reminds me of the concept of archons in Gnosticism and thetans in Scientology. Thank you, everyone, for the comments. A.C., no, there were no "good ghosts". Even in the dream, I had the impression that the "Good" Living were resting. Perhaps they are still aware of what we are doing though (dreaming?) - the book written to the Hebrew followers of Christ seems to indicate this is the case: In chapter 11 it tells a story of good people that died, and then in 12 it tells the Living that those Dead are a "great cloud of witnesses" to our lives. But they are resting - not meddling: Perhaps the saying "rest in peace" is from some ancient, but real, understanding of the possibility of NOT resting. The Bible calls it "sleeping." 1Thessalonians 4 ¶ I don't want you to be ignorant, my fellow Hebrews, concerning those which are asleep. Why should you grieve, as those who have no hope? For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, you should know those who sleep in Jesus (a relationship even in death) will God bring with him, alive, when he returns. ¶ For Jesus Christ told us, we which are alive and remain so until he returns will not go before them which are asleep. For Jesus Christ himself will descend from the heavens with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God sounding: and the dead who believed in Christ will rise first: Then we which are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Jesus in the air: to remain with him always. Because of this, comfort each other with these words. Prophetic dreams about a coming war and those who survive: Thread: "Communism for California" west coast riots from 2006 dream (update: streaming hive mind dream) How to Eject: Thread: Game Over - a Journey to Freedom (story complete) |
ArchimedesGirl (OP) User ID: 48501570 United States 03/20/2017 03:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Very interesting dream and thread. Thanks for sharing. I think there's a lot of truth to this. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14992014 So there were no positive ghosties? No loving relatives watching over the young and vulnerable? Maybe (hopefully) there is another layer or plane you will see with good ancestors or angels. It kind of reminds me of the concept of archons in Gnosticism and thetans in Scientology. I should add that, yes, I have seen angels in dreams, and I do think that they protect certain people/children from harm. The ones I've seen look like badass warriors! Prophetic dreams about a coming war and those who survive: Thread: "Communism for California" west coast riots from 2006 dream (update: streaming hive mind dream) How to Eject: Thread: Game Over - a Journey to Freedom (story complete) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14992014 United States 03/20/2017 07:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Very interesting dream and thread. Thanks for sharing. I think there's a lot of truth to this. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14992014 So there were no positive ghosties? No loving relatives watching over the young and vulnerable? Maybe (hopefully) there is another layer or plane you will see with good ancestors or angels. It kind of reminds me of the concept of archons in Gnosticism and thetans in Scientology. I should add that, yes, I have seen angels in dreams, and I do think that they protect certain people/children from harm. The ones I've seen look like badass warriors! Thank you for your responses. Bumping this thread because it's a really good one! |
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ArchimedesGirl (OP) User ID: 48501570 United States 03/20/2017 09:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Very interesting dream and thread. Thanks for sharing. I think there's a lot of truth to this. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14992014 So there were no positive ghosties? No loving relatives watching over the young and vulnerable? Maybe (hopefully) there is another layer or plane you will see with good ancestors or angels. It kind of reminds me of the concept of archons in Gnosticism and thetans in Scientology. I should add that, yes, I have seen angels in dreams, and I do think that they protect certain people/children from harm. The ones I've seen look like badass warriors! Thank you for your responses. Bumping this thread because it's a really good one! Prophetic dreams about a coming war and those who survive: Thread: "Communism for California" west coast riots from 2006 dream (update: streaming hive mind dream) How to Eject: Thread: Game Over - a Journey to Freedom (story complete) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9831451 United States 03/20/2017 09:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A guy wrote a book, called "Hungry Ghosts", I think. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74505647 He was a journalist, and a firm skeptic, who investigated the paranormal phenomenon. He concluded that ghosts were real but that they weren't the dead. They were more like demons who could observe so many things and imitate dead people,displaying knowledge that would convince living people who sought them that they were dead relatives. As in your dream, they are spirits who love sin and enjoy watching the show when they can convince people to sin. They mislead people and isolate them from the living, all the better to use them. He said there were many accounts of people believing the flattery and attention of these spirits and cutting off all relations even with their own spouses. It seems probable to me. God would not have warned us against talking to the dead if they weren't real - in some sense. Yes, interesting. . . So, I was thinking: disembodied Angels are "evil spirits" according to Christ. So, it would follow that disembodied humans are also "spirits" - and that they also could be good or evil. . . yes? The difference between evil angels and humans would be not change if they were dead - they would simply not have bodies. So it could be that "talking with the dead" is exactly that. And that the Dead can also be "evil spirits." If they were evil in life. Sometimes they might just be a fussy, worrisome old aunt that just won't shut up and mind her own business - many "hauntings" sound like this. Also, it appears that evil people consort with evil spirits. It is likely you would find them together. Anyway. . . I guess my question is, So What? What is the point of this - how is this useful to us? not useful enough to spend time on. let it go and take the only valuable lesson with you: what we are here is what we are there. time is for learning. we must spend it wisely. a friend |
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ArchimedesGirl (OP) User ID: 48501570 United States 03/20/2017 11:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Any time I think God might be talking to me, I assume it is useful, and I spend time trying to understand what he's saying. You don't talk to people who don't listen to you - and neither does he. Prophetic dreams about a coming war and those who survive: Thread: "Communism for California" west coast riots from 2006 dream (update: streaming hive mind dream) How to Eject: Thread: Game Over - a Journey to Freedom (story complete) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9831451 United States 03/22/2017 10:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Any time I think God might be talking to me, I assume it is useful, and I spend time trying to understand what he's saying. You don't talk to people who don't listen to you - and neither does he. i apologize for not conveying my message properly.Your last line was 'what usefullness is this?' my reply was simply that it isn't something to be consumed by or to read into. what we are here is what we are there. death of the body merely means stepping from one sphere to another, there is no 'magical' change that converts a person into heavenly or hellish. time is to be used to work with to better oneself. that's about it. |
Deadpool Loves You User ID: 73168454 United States 03/22/2017 10:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The universe is basically an animal. It grazes on the ordinary. It creates infinite idiots just to eat them. The Rickest Rick Sanchez comments are meant for entertainment purposes only and should not be construed to reflect the feelings and opinions, implied or expressed, of the author. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 62503269 United States 03/22/2017 10:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Any time I think God might be talking to me, I assume it is useful, and I spend time trying to understand what he's saying. You don't talk to people who don't listen to you - and neither does he. i apologize for not conveying my message properly.Your last line was 'what usefullness is this?' my reply was simply that it isn't something to be consumed by or to read into. what we are here is what we are there. death of the body merely means stepping from one sphere to another, there is no 'magical' change that converts a person into heavenly or hellish. time is to be used to work with to better oneself. that's about it. Well said. I agree. |
Ghost of Xmas Past User ID: 16608284 United States 03/22/2017 10:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Living and the Dead - March 19, 2017 Quoting: ArchimedesGirl It sounds like a creepy, disturbing dream, and I guess it was - but I was not afraid. I wished I could take the teenage girl with me and keep her safe, and so many others. . . [link to www.linkedin.com (secure)] Ribbit |