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| Merit (OP) User ID: 1428304 United States03/27/2017 01:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: MUSING: UNPOPULAR OPINION? - The only difference between a religion and a cult is the amount of members. Its an inescapable function of our brains and emotions to not form culture as a form of survival. It's hard wired into our instincts. I'm just not sure "God" cares much what we decide to believe in with our culture as long as it's going the right direction. • Don't tell me the moon is shining; show me the glint of light on broken glass. • |
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| Merit (OP) User ID: 1428304 United States03/27/2017 01:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: MUSING: UNPOPULAR OPINION? - The only difference between a religion and a cult is the amount of members. Please correct the Opinion in the title. Quoting: >S< I thought is about an unpopular Onion. Mea culpa. Didn't even see it lol. FIFY Last Edited by Merit on 03/27/2017 01:36 PM • Don't tell me the moon is shining; show me the glint of light on broken glass. • |
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| MFiera User ID: 72539217 United States03/27/2017 01:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: MUSING: UNPOPULAR OPINION? - The only difference between a religion and a cult is the amount of members. To me the difference is how they come into existence and initial teachings, as many (if not most) religions and cults end up with a similar power structure after many years (or generations). Human nature generally wins out in the end with few exceptions. Quoting: Zedakah How they'd come into existence is very important. It's also when they do. Most modern day "religions" are all considered cults and not religions. For instance, take Scientology. It's utilizes quasi-religious nomenclature but popular opinion says cult. They have a massive amount of members worldwide. Go to Clearwater sometime. It's a beachfront twilight zone episode. GLP is an INSTITUTION |
| Merit (OP) User ID: 1428304 United States03/27/2017 01:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: MUSING: UNPOPULAR OPINION? - The only difference between a religion and a cult is the amount of members. To me the difference is how they come into existence and initial teachings, as many (if not most) religions and cults end up with a similar power structure after many years (or generations). Human nature generally wins out in the end with few exceptions. Quoting: Zedakah Even that is subject to revisionist history though. We have no idea how something thousands of years old started. Only what the believers of it say of how it started. Last Edited by Merit on 03/27/2017 01:45 PM • Don't tell me the moon is shining; show me the glint of light on broken glass. • |
| Zedakah User ID: 72314325 United States03/27/2017 01:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: MUSING: UNPOPULAR OPINION? - The only difference between a religion and a cult is the amount of members. To me the difference is how they come into existence and initial teachings, as many (if not most) religions and cults end up with a similar power structure after many years (or generations). Human nature generally wins out in the end with few exceptions. Quoting: Zedakah Even that is subject to revisionist history though. It is, which makes things difficult. But you can still see many examples of how central individuals promoting their beliefs lived and died. Were they willing to die for their belief? Did they live a life of luxury? Did they promote their belief and practices for the betterment of others, or to gain power? We are still at the mercy of hearsay for the most part, but you can still get a rough picture for most central figures. The other possible test is time. That leads to other arguments, but one can make the argument that a "religion" that only lasts for a few generations was actually a cult. |
| >S< User ID: 73344170 Russia03/27/2017 01:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: MUSING: UNPOPULAR OPINION? - The only difference between a religion and a cult is the amount of members. Please correct the Opinion in the title. Quoting: >S< I thought is about an unpopular Onion. Mea culpa. Didn't even see it lol. FIFY Thank you :-) I like this - and i agree with it: "However I believe our purpose is not to ascend afterlife but to live in this one. We were made alive so that we may live, not so that we could live a life a certain way waiting to die the right way." The eternal punishment is a concept tied with the lack of matter (as only what would be called spirit can attain the divided underworld/otherworld/afterlife known nowadays as hell&heaven) thus also tied with the lack of time measurement. There's only the mind/awareness where you can be tormented forever by a guilty thought as short or long as the blink of an eye. At least this is how i see it. |
| Merit (OP) User ID: 1428304 United States03/27/2017 01:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: MUSING: UNPOPULAR OPINION? - The only difference between a religion and a cult is the amount of members. To me the difference is how they come into existence and initial teachings, as many (if not most) religions and cults end up with a similar power structure after many years (or generations). Human nature generally wins out in the end with few exceptions. Quoting: Zedakah Even that is subject to revisionist history though. It is, which makes things difficult. But you can still see many examples of how central individuals promoting their beliefs lived and died. Were they willing to die for their belief? Did they live a life of luxury? Did they promote their belief and practices for the betterment of others, or to gain power? We are still at the mercy of hearsay for the most part, but you can still get a rough picture for most central figures. The other possible test is time. That leads to other arguments, but one can make the argument that a "religion" that only lasts for a few generations was actually a cult. Because of revisionist history I don't see the central figures as real. They are super heroes of lore with their best attributes magnified and exaggerated and pieces added from even older central figures to solidify their divine attributes. So we have central ideals, not characters, in my opinion. Now, those ideals could be part of the concept of God/Order I suppose but that would be an argument that our ideas of holy are an aspect of nature that manifests however it might in the stories of our past to make a shape that can be focused on and emulated. Time also brings me back to revisionist history unfortunately, one could argue the longest lasting cults are the ones with the most successful revisionist history. • Don't tell me the moon is shining; show me the glint of light on broken glass. • |
| >S< User ID: 73344170 Russia03/27/2017 02:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: MUSING: UNPOPULAR OPINION? - The only difference between a religion and a cult is the amount of members. To me the difference is how they come into existence and initial teachings, as many (if not most) religions and cults end up with a similar power structure after many years (or generations). Human nature generally wins out in the end with few exceptions. Quoting: Zedakah To me the difference between religions and cults is the same as the difference between multinational companies and SMBs. |
| Merit (OP) User ID: 1428304 United States03/27/2017 02:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: MUSING: UNPOPULAR OPINION? - The only difference between a religion and a cult is the amount of members. Please correct the Opinion in the title. Quoting: >S< I thought is about an unpopular Onion. Mea culpa. Didn't even see it lol. FIFY Thank you :-) I like this - and i agree with it: "However I believe our purpose is not to ascend afterlife but to live in this one. We were made alive so that we may live, not so that we could live a life a certain way waiting to die the right way." The eternal punishment is a concept tied with the lack of matter (as only what would be called spirit can attain the divided underworld/otherworld/afterlife known nowadays as hell&heaven) thus also tied with the lack of time measurement. There's only the mind/awareness where you can be tormented forever by a guilty thought as short or long as the blink of an eye. At least this is how i see it. Yes eternal damnation fails to fulfill any meaning of balance or even usefulness in my idea of a universe whose principles of existence are that nothing is wasted and no energy is ever destroyed. It doesn't fit with the concept of this great order we are all experience every second of our lives. Last Edited by Merit on 03/27/2017 02:02 PM • Don't tell me the moon is shining; show me the glint of light on broken glass. • |
| Zedakah User ID: 72314325 United States03/27/2017 02:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: MUSING: UNPOPULAR OPINION? - The only difference between a religion and a cult is the amount of members. Because of revisionist history I don't see the central figures as real. They are super heroes of lore with their best attributes magnified and exaggerated and pieces added from even older central figures to solidify their divine attributes. Quoting: Merit So we have central ideals, not characters, in my opinion. Now, those ideals could be part of the concept of God/Order I suppose but that would be an argument that our ideas of holy are an aspect of nature that manifests however it might in the stories of our past to make a shape that can be focused on and emulated. Time also brings me back to revisionist history unfortunately, one could argue the longest lasting cults are the ones with the most successful revisionist history. I think I understand where you come from, and I make absolutely no attempt to change your mind (for the record). I really just like these types of threads and view them as a logic exercise. And, as a (soon to be former) scientist, I like thinking outside the box and/or putting constraints on how I normally view things. For example, I often like to conjecture that if we are in a computer simulation, and all of existence came into being 100 years ago (including all history), how would we know it? I'm assuming this is something akin to your belief in regards to trusting history. That means, we must only use our own observations to shape our beliefs. That's one reason I enjoy reading ancient esoteric texts that nobody really knows or practices anymore. That said, we can still use our current observations to compare the central ideals of the religions, even though many of those ideals have most likely changed over time. I guess one of the most central questions is why do humans seek out purpose and religion? |
| Merit (OP) User ID: 1428304 United States03/27/2017 02:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: MUSING: UNPOPULAR OPINION? - The only difference between a religion and a cult is the amount of members. Because of revisionist history I don't see the central figures as real. They are super heroes of lore with their best attributes magnified and exaggerated and pieces added from even older central figures to solidify their divine attributes. Quoting: Merit So we have central ideals, not characters, in my opinion. Now, those ideals could be part of the concept of God/Order I suppose but that would be an argument that our ideas of holy are an aspect of nature that manifests however it might in the stories of our past to make a shape that can be focused on and emulated. Time also brings me back to revisionist history unfortunately, one could argue the longest lasting cults are the ones with the most successful revisionist history. I think I understand where you come from, and I make absolutely no attempt to change your mind (for the record). I really just like these types of threads and view them as a logic exercise. And, as a (soon to be former) scientist, I like thinking outside the box and/or putting constraints on how I normally view things. For example, I often like to conjecture that if we are in a computer simulation, and all of existence came into being 100 years ago (including all history), how would we know it? I'm assuming this is something akin to your belief in regards to trusting history. That means, we must only use our own observations to shape our beliefs. That's one reason I enjoy reading ancient esoteric texts that nobody really knows or practices anymore. That said, we can still use our current observations to compare the central ideals of the religions, even though many of those ideals have most likely changed over time. I guess one of the most central questions is why do humans seek out purpose and religion? Psychologically speaking? Lack of self confidence and self worth. Looking for an authority to hitch their wagon to that is more powerful than their lowly selves (in thier opinion). Spiritually? To find that connection we feel to everything. We know there's a connection. We feel it. Socially? To survive. For some ppl their religion is their social network and support system/family. It's an integral part of survival for them. I believe religion is an aspect of nature meant to spur along society. For instance how catholicism brought education (literacy) and science/medicine to so many formerly devoid of any knowledge of either. Last Edited by Merit on 03/27/2017 02:17 PM • Don't tell me the moon is shining; show me the glint of light on broken glass. • |
| >S< User ID: 73344170 Russia03/27/2017 02:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: MUSING: UNPOPULAR OPINION? - The only difference between a religion and a cult is the amount of members. Please correct the Opinion in the title. Quoting: >S< I thought is about an unpopular Onion. Mea culpa. Didn't even see it lol. FIFY Thank you :-) I like this - and i agree with it: "However I believe our purpose is not to ascend afterlife but to live in this one. We were made alive so that we may live, not so that we could live a life a certain way waiting to die the right way." The eternal punishment is a concept tied with the lack of matter (as only what would be called spirit can attain the divided underworld/otherworld/afterlife known nowadays as hell&heaven) thus also tied with the lack of time measurement. There's only the mind/awareness where you can be tormented forever by a guilty thought as short or long as the blink of an eye. At least this is how i see it. Yes eternal damnation fails to fulfill any meaning of balance or even usefulness in my idea of a universe whose principles of existence are that nothing is wasted and no energy is ever destroyed. It doesn't fit with the concept of this great order we are all experience every second of our lives. I guess that's what ancient egyptians were trying to express through their Maat/Anubis weighing of the heart ceremony after death. Hold guilty feelings in the seat of your soul (heart was considered as such by them egyptians) and your heart/soul would weigh more than a feather. Hold no guilts/torments and your heart/soul would be at least as light as a 21 grams feather (i hope that i recall it well... the 21 grams for soul measurement at the beginning of the 20th century, lol). |
| Zedakah User ID: 72314325 United States03/27/2017 02:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: MUSING: UNPOPULAR OPINION? - The only difference between a religion and a cult is the amount of members. Psychologically speaking? Lack of self confidence and self worth. Looking for an authority to hitch their wagon to that is more powerful than their lowly selves (in thier opinion). Quoting: Merit Spiritually? To find that connection we feel to everything. We know there's a connection. We feel it. Socially? To survive. For some ppl their religion is their social network and support system/family. It's an integral part of survival for them. I believe religion is an aspect of nature meant to spur along society. For instance how catholicism brought education (literacy) and science/medicine to so many formerly devoid of any knowledge of either. I agree with this assessment as well, but there are a few more to add. The preservation of knowledge and oneself (genealogy and history). Humans want purpose and meaning in life, and religion offers a way to be remembered. We fear being forgotten throughout history, despite the overwhelming odds that we will be forgotten. I guess another one is religion gives hope that there is a place where human concepts exist and work as intended. The concept of justice is great, but you're hard-pressed to find it in this world as it is described. Thus, many beliefs are formed that there will be justice later for what we do now to compensate. The concept that we suffer in this life, so we may thrive in another is often seen throughout most religions. So I guess at the very least it could be seen as a hope and/or purpose for suffering and misery. The problem is that belief doesn't necessarily encourage people to make this life better. |
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| Merit (OP) User ID: 1428304 United States03/27/2017 02:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: MUSING: UNPOPULAR OPINION? - The only difference between a religion and a cult is the amount of members. Thank you :-) I like this - and i agree with it: "However I believe our purpose is not to ascend afterlife but to live in this one. We were made alive so that we may live, not so that we could live a life a certain way waiting to die the right way." The eternal punishment is a concept tied with the lack of matter (as only what would be called spirit can attain the divided underworld/otherworld/afterlife known nowadays as hell&heaven) thus also tied with the lack of time measurement. There's only the mind/awareness where you can be tormented forever by a guilty thought as short or long as the blink of an eye. At least this is how i see it. Yes eternal damnation fails to fulfill any meaning of balance or even usefulness in my idea of a universe whose principles of existence are that nothing is wasted and no energy is ever destroyed. It doesn't fit with the concept of this great order we are all experience every second of our lives. I guess that's what ancient egyptians were trying to express through their Maat/Anubis weighing of the heart ceremony after death. Hold guilty feelings in the seat of your soul (heart was considered as such by them egyptians) and your heart/soul would weigh more than a feather. Hold no guilts/torments and your heart/soul would be at least as light as a 21 grams feather (i hope that i recall it well... the 21 grams for soul measurement at the beginning of the 20th century, lol). Would have loved to seen the justification of the math behind that equation  • Don't tell me the moon is shining; show me the glint of light on broken glass. • |
| Merit (OP) User ID: 1428304 United States03/27/2017 02:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: MUSING: UNPOPULAR OPINION? - The only difference between a religion and a cult is the amount of members. Psychologically speaking? Lack of self confidence and self worth. Looking for an authority to hitch their wagon to that is more powerful than their lowly selves (in thier opinion). Quoting: Merit Spiritually? To find that connection we feel to everything. We know there's a connection. We feel it. Socially? To survive. For some ppl their religion is their social network and support system/family. It's an integral part of survival for them. I believe religion is an aspect of nature meant to spur along society. For instance how catholicism brought education (literacy) and science/medicine to so many formerly devoid of any knowledge of either. I agree with this assessment as well, but there are a few more to add. The preservation of knowledge and oneself (genealogy and history). Humans want purpose and meaning in life, and religion offers a way to be remembered. We fear being forgotten throughout history, despite the overwhelming odds that we will be forgotten. I guess another one is religion gives hope that there is a place where human concepts exist and work as intended. The concept of justice is great, but you're hard-pressed to find it in this world as it is described. Thus, many beliefs are formed that there will be justice later for what we do now to compensate. The concept that we suffer in this life, so we may thrive in another is often seen throughout most religions. So I guess at the very least it could be seen as a hope and/or purpose for suffering and misery. The problem is that belief doesn't necessarily encourage people to make this life better. I mean yes, those are all fair assessments of the usefulness of religion in our society/culture. Even the ugly aspects of it like ppl being willing to accept injustices because the perpetrators will "get theirs" in the end. It seems weird being the one sitting up on a rock overlooking the city watching all the pieces move knowing how much of it is a dog and pony show to keep the carnival going, but then realizing that is neccasary and essential because like or not you are part of the carnival. So to stop it would be a form of suicide. Last Edited by Merit on 03/27/2017 02:43 PM • Don't tell me the moon is shining; show me the glint of light on broken glass. • |
| Merit (OP) User ID: 1428304 United States03/27/2017 02:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: MUSING: UNPOPULAR OPINION? - The only difference between a religion and a cult is the amount of members. if only godless secularists had the ability to see that they are the most dangerous cult of all Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70744699 Sorry, there's billions of us. That most definitely makes us a religion. See title of thread. • Don't tell me the moon is shining; show me the glint of light on broken glass. • |
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| Zedakah User ID: 72314325 United States03/27/2017 02:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: MUSING: UNPOPULAR OPINION? - The only difference between a religion and a cult is the amount of members. It seems weird being the one sitting up on a rock overlooking the city watching all the pieces move knowing how much of it is a dog and pony show to keep the carnival going, but then realizing that is neccasary and essential because like or not you are part of the carnival. So to stop it would be a form of suicide. Quoting: Merit With that in mind; if you put yourself in God's place (dangerous assumption I know), what would you want from humans? The continuation of the circus for the sake of peace, something more for the sake of the individuals, or nothing at all for the sake of truth? |
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| Merit (OP) User ID: 1428304 United States03/27/2017 02:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: MUSING: UNPOPULAR OPINION? - The only difference between a religion and a cult is the amount of members. It seems weird being the one sitting up on a rock overlooking the city watching all the pieces move knowing how much of it is a dog and pony show to keep the carnival going, but then realizing that is neccasary and essential because like or not you are part of the carnival. So to stop it would be a form of suicide. Quoting: Merit With that in mind; if you put yourself in God's place (dangerous assumption I know), what would you want from humans? The continuation of the circus for the sake of peace, something more for the sake of the individuals, or nothing at all for the sake of truth? If I was a god there would be an end game. A purpose to it all. Just on a timeline we lack the faculty to properly comprehend past educated speculation. So given that this all leading somewhere that could be tabled to take a million years our silly examination of the cogs and gears of this plan at this juncture of a process of enormous almost infinite scope is foolish honestly. So even knowing what is going on you are left feeling like an enlightened ant in some kids ant farm. Knowing at best you are an interesting ant to God because you've learned to look outside the glass and stare back at your ant farmer. But also knowing outside of you being a curious and intelligent little bug you are still just another ant to God. I would want the ants to do ant things so the next ants could be born continuing the cycle to whatever end is planned. Last Edited by Merit on 03/27/2017 03:00 PM • Don't tell me the moon is shining; show me the glint of light on broken glass. • |
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| Zedakah User ID: 72314325 United States03/27/2017 03:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: MUSING: UNPOPULAR OPINION? - The only difference between a religion and a cult is the amount of members. Knowing at best you are an interesting ant to God because you've learned to look outside the glass and stare back at your ant farmer. Quoting: Merit But also knowing outside of you being a curious and intelligent little bug you are still just another ant to God. I would want the ants to do ant things so the next ants could be born continuing the cycle to whatever end is planned. I somewhat chuckled, because in my lab I grow rare microscopic fungus. I take great pains to make sure they are completely isolated and free of contamination (bacteria and other fungus). I grow them up on the optimal diet until I have enough. Then I spin them down, grind them up, and extract their DNA so I can learn what they truly are. Despite the care that goes into what I do, the individual cells will all die for the sake of increasing knowledge. In regards to your statement, the key concept is "what are ant things?" For humans I think this is where a lot of religion comes into play in controlling behavior. Are we just animals with intellect that should act like animals? Or are we something more; thus, we should behave differently than the other animals. This is one of the key questions that has stumped me my entire life, "What does it mean to be created in the image of God?" Despite gaining in knowledge of many things, I'm still no closer to answering it than the first time I heard it. The closest I've come to answering it is that we do have a connection to each other (and possibly God) that the animals do not. I've met few people on this earth, whose very presence reaches out beyond themselves and effects others (for better or worse) without saying a word. Thanks for the thread. I need to head into work. Last Edited by Zedakah on 03/27/2017 03:10 PM |
| Merit (OP) User ID: 1428304 United States03/27/2017 03:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: MUSING: UNPOPULAR OPINION? - The only difference between a religion and a cult is the amount of members. not a typo guys - there's a state of mind called pronoia - somewhat opposite of paranoia Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74562792 Sorry I missed your post. Yes it's a neologism, I know of it. That is when ppl blissfully trust in government and power structures and trust the ones behind the scenes know what they are doing. We all know those types. This is similar yes but I do not believe God is secretly helping us as individuals. God is only ensuring survival as a species as a means to an end. Not individually for our happiness and well being. Do you care if your ants in your ant farm are succesful happy ants? Maybe on a very shallow level these musings enter your mind but ultimately you want them to do what they are supposed to do and not all die off. Thats it. Last Edited by Merit on 03/27/2017 03:11 PM • Don't tell me the moon is shining; show me the glint of light on broken glass. • |
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| Merit (OP) User ID: 1428304 United States03/27/2017 03:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: MUSING: UNPOPULAR OPINION? - The only difference between a religion and a cult is the amount of members. Knowing at best you are an interesting ant to God because you've learned to look outside the glass and stare back at your ant farmer. Quoting: Merit But also knowing outside of you being a curious and intelligent little bug you are still just another ant to God. I would want the ants to do ant things so the next ants could be born continuing the cycle to whatever end is planned. I somewhat chuckled, because in my lab I grow rare microscopic fungus. I take great pains to make sure they are completely isolated and free of contamination (bacteria and other fungus). I grow them up on the optimal diet until I have enough. Then I spin them down, grind them up, and extract their DNA so I can learn what they truly are. Despite the care that goes into what I do, the individual cells will all die for the sake of increasing knowledge. In regards to your statement, the key concept is "what are ant things?" For humans I think this is where a lot of religion comes into play in controlling behavior. Are we just animals with intellect that should act like animals? Or are we something more; thus, we should behave differently than the other animals. This is one of the key questions that has stumped me my entire life, "What does it mean to be created in the image of God?" Despite gaining in knowledge of many things, I'm still no closer to answering it than the first time I heard it. The closest I've come to answering it is that we do have a connection to each other (and possibly God) that the animals do not. I've met few people on this earth, whose very presence reaches out beyond themselves and effects others (for better or worse) without saying a word. Thanks for the thread. I need to head into work. I call us the divine animal. Half in the animal world half out with our supra consciousness. (But none the less animals still) What seperate us from animals is how I dealt with your question when asked. The answer was art. We write books, create music, architecture and archetypes. We self reflect and diagnose. We create things to change ourselves and our surroundings for the better. (Better being subjective of course) Ant things I truly believe are just procreation and ever advancing culture and societies. We are stewards of this eco system as well as the apex predator. Our job is just to be what we are and make sure the next generations can build on what we learned and repeat the process. As mundane and anticlimactic as thst is. Busy little ants in our ant farM in the grand scheme of things. Also your fungus work, lol. This is how I know God is a scientist. I've had the same epiphany many times while doing various ant things. Later Last Edited by Merit on 03/27/2017 03:21 PM • Don't tell me the moon is shining; show me the glint of light on broken glass. • |
| Merit (OP) User ID: 1428304 United States03/27/2017 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: MUSING: UNPOPULAR OPINION? - The only difference between a religion and a cult is the amount of members. if only godless secularists had the ability to see that they are the most dangerous cult of all Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70744699 Sorry, there's billions of us. That most definitely makes us a religion. See title of thread. point taken  • Don't tell me the moon is shining; show me the glint of light on broken glass. • |
