Jesus' death does not save you

First you have to understand that cosmic laws exist. Cosmic laws which our present day humanity does not respect nor know exist.

I hear from many people absurd statements such as why does God allow this and that to happen. Why sickness exists etc.

Imagine we lived in a universe, where a killer pointing a gun, was stripped of his free will and was unable to pull the trigger.

Imagine, a lunatic threw liquid acid on someone's face, and the victim left the scene unscathed.

Imagine, somebody getting really angry, but when they attempted to punch you, their fists stuck midair.

More I hear people complaining, the more it seems, this is the universe they want to live in.

Now lets say their fantasy of their version of ideal reality existed. What room does that leave for free will? Does that not make God a tyrant, like much the same one that the Illuminati is trying to create? A New World Order of absolute control. Also, what does the soul that has come down here learn, if there are no consequences for their actions.

God in His supreme glory knows that a system of totalitarianism and absolute control does not work, has given mankind free will to do and to learn and to be the creators of their own destiny. But given this free will consequences exist for bad actions for learning to take place.

There is a karmic relationship between an attacker and a victim. Two people may never have seen each other before in this life, but in the previous life, the roles were reversed, and the ignorant human ego, commits it's heinous acts. Living in a state of unconsciousness, this vicious circle of stupidity goes on for many lives in order to settle scores.

Most people don't really know that the physical realm is a learning place, testing grounds before the soul returns and submerges itself in its eternal abode. But without imperfections, there is no learning. If you think you have come here to this universe to have a good time, you haven't understood the point of life.

They aren't Christian.

You are blessed by listening to what Jesus said and doing it.

Jesus absolutely settled the question himself.

He said his work was done before he died on the cross.

So dying on the cross had absolutely NOTHING to do with his work.

His death on the cross amounts to nothing, and it is best to forget about it and start doing what he said.

All that crap about being saved by his death was invented by the Antichrist.

No sacrifice is holy apart from the sacrifices of righteousness.

When a person gives their own life for righteousness, it is fine because it is the only life anyone has a right to give.

Thanks for the religious enlightenment but you know not what you are talking about. I would bother to debate you on this subject but the 'key' being that if you sin and 'repent' you will be saved. There is a lot more to it but.....no since in going into an entire rant on religion because in the end, we will all face our maker. Only some will be right and some will be wrong. God help the ones who were wrong....or....they hope.

For how long have you known everything

and believed yourself to be the wisest of all young men?

"Buddha never claimed to be God.

Moses never claimed to be Jehovah.

Mohammed never claimed to be Allah.

Yet Jesus Christ claimed to be the true and living God.

Buddha simply said, 'I am a teacher in search of the truth.'

Jesus said, 'I am the Truth.'

Confucius said, 'I never claimed to be holy.'

Jesus said, 'Who convicts me of sin?'

Mohammed said, 'Unless God throws his cloak of mercy over me, I have no hope.'

Jesus said, 'Unless you believe in me, you will die in your sins.'"

"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."

For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first."

"I charge thee in the sight of God, and of Christ Jesus, who shall judge the living and the dead."

"For this is the will of my Father, that every one that beholdeth the Son, and believeth on Him, should have eternal life; and I will raise Him up at the last day."

Jesus : and you , Mohammed stay in your coffin



'Then Gabriel came to the apostle and said , "What have you done, Muhammad? You have read to these people something I did not bring you from God and you have said what He did not say to you."'
-- Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah, p. 166

Mohammed's confession:
"I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken."
-- Al-Tabari, The History of Al-Tabari, vol. vi, p. 111

how exactly did the thief on the cross find the time to work his way to heaven while hanging there?

Jesus said he would see him in heaven. so Jesus told him that he was saved. the only thing the thief did was have faith that Jesus was the Messiah and the only way to salvation.

works or faith, which is it?

The stoooopid is strong in this thread.

Thanks for the religious enlightenment but you know not what you are talking about. I would bother to debate you on this subject but the 'key' being that if you sin and 'repent' you will be saved. There is a lot more to it but.....no since in going into an entire rant on religion because in the end, we will all face our maker. Only some will be right and some will be wrong. God help the ones who were wrong....or....they hope.

All religious text is BS and the Abrahamic text invoke Stalkhome syndrom. Grow up already. Spiritualism is something you do for yourself and no one else. You belong to no one but yourself. Stop pushing lies and guilt upon everyone. You are no better than the next man and your value is wrapped up in how you treat and provide for others.

People keep using these terms "sin" and "repentance" but haven't gotten to the bottom of what is meant.

Put it this way, if as clairvoyant looked upon a sinner he could see his sins, for the sins have a life of their own, these much like entities live like parasites in the psyche. They came into being inside the psyche through mankind's ignorance and misuse of the energies within himself. However, when the person, repents and his repentance isn't merely words but a powerful prayer, when he no longer nourish his sin with his energies, when his perseverance exceeds and overcomes the temptations of said sin, the sin or better said entity, lacking nourishment over a prolonged time dies. Therefore for such a person, a complete repentance over only a certain sin has been attained. This would have to be carried out over all the sins within the psyche until one is wholly purified. This can take a lifetime to achieve.

nope.

Your caveman is BS.

Christ's death did not stop sin from occurring. It paid the penalty for sin for those who wish to accept and follow Christ. If you do choose to follow Christ and repent of your sin then it does in fact save you. That was the entire point of Christ being born in the flesh.

answer me this first and i'll answer yours OP.

how is it possible for a perfect being to create imperfections?

People don't seem to understand what sin is.

Within your psyche, there is the subconscious. Many people do not even know the horrors they have in their subconscious. There are things in humanity's subconscious which people are not even aware of, that prevents them from entering Heaven.

When the flesh passes away, the psyche becomes the vehicle for all that we are. With no physical body to hide our inner darkness anymore, and with the souls highly psychic nature, all of the horror of the subconscious are revealed in the astral atmosphere and to those around them. A place full of such people is not Heaven. And trust me, once you see the purity of the spiritual beings that really deserve Heaven, you will beg God to remove from there and bring you back to Earth or even Hell, for the shame will not permit you to enjoy Heaven for long. Then you will remember why you were born upon the Earth.

It's over your head.

I a perfect being created a perfect being wouldnt he be recreating himself? What else could he create by your logic? The plan is perfect. Wish you could see it

I find it completely and utterly ridiciolous how the Christian's believe that Jesus' death on the cross has saved them from their sin.

Whoever these people are, which I'm sure are in the billions, I would like to get them into the proverbial room and explain to them how stupid, idiotic and even how selfish they are.

Let's put this into context. Prior to Jesus being born, humanity commits sins. So therefore a Messiah is sent to wash away the sins of the world. According to the Christian's his death accomplishes that.

Now its been 2000 years since He died, which means the decadent human race, which believes deserves a saving, is due another bath.

Because the ignorant homunculi known as man, is too lazy, selfish and disgusting to actually do the Spiritual Work, he/she prefers to remain as he/she is and to live his/her life with more or less the same way, since transforming the psyche requires sacrifice just like Jesus did, but because this is too hard, many just adopt a system of moral code of conduct. So on the surface people look good, but within the psyche remains the same. This includes the Christian's themselves! "Woe to you Scribes and Pharisees, pretenders, who are like white tombs, which from the outside appear lovely, but from within are full of the bones of the dead and all corruption!" ~Jesus Christ

Answer me this Christian! Do you think that, after having the Son of God die, you are saved from sin?! No you are not! For if you were, you would not be sinning anymore!

Even the sinful act of a single person upon this Earth, is irrefutable evidence, that Jesus' death did not save us from sin. For people would no longer be experiencing such thoughts and feelings.

Perhaps the Christian's think that they'll commit their sins, then call God for a favor once more, to send his son, since he/she sinned again.

But let me tell you this. Christians, you are not saved. It is not the mere behavior of people upon this Earth that God looks at, but the soul itself. The psyche. So ask yourself this question. What are your sins. Are you a lustful person? Are you an envious person? Do you compliment your friend and feel jealousy towards them secretly, inwardly? Are you arrogant? Do you lack humility in your workplace because you think you are so clever in the office so you think you are above your colleagues? Even one of these things is enough reason to keep you out of Heaven, for no such selfish being like this exist there, and to put you back upon this Earth for another cycle of existence, or put you to Hell, to purify you.

Reading my post above you might think that I don't believe in Jesus or that I abhor the Christ, but you would be mistaken.

I believe in Jesus as he really was and not as people believe Him to be.

Master Jesus was an initiate who came upon our world with an awakened consciousness. He taught humanity the Path to walk to save themselves out of sin.

When you are reading the Bible you have to understand, that many times they are referring to the Christ and not Jesus. The Christ is an intelligent cosmic force that awakens in the initiate who has prepared himself. So yes, Christ has taken the sins of the world, world here meaning the psyche of the individual, full of sins, within that psyche, sins means psychological errors within us that provoke thoughts, feelings and behaviors which are dishonorable to the Spirit, yet nonetheless, mankind in its universal fallen state believe to be normal.

So when you read something like this:
He [God] made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. (2 Corinthians 5:21)

Him refers to the Christ, within the individual, and only within the individual. A persons psyche is a world unto itself. Man has a universe within himself.

Let him who has an ear, let him hear, that the Bible is symbolic. And I say to all of those Christian's that believe themselves good, that unless a person has imitated Jesus and does the hard work, he will not enter heaven. No point being lazy and expecting someone outside of you to save you. Simply believing in a Man doesn't save you. Spiritual work is a very very hard task.

"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it" ~Matthew 7:13

"Of a thousand who seek me, one finds me, of a thousand who find me, one follows me, of a thousand who follow me, one is mine" ~Christ

All of your wasting of breath when your first sentence was correct. You are right, Jesus's death does not save you, His rising from the dead - does.

Book also mentions not judging other otherwise ou be judged. What is the way to heaven op?