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New German Laws Classify Unlicensed Twitch Streams As Pirate Broadcasts

 
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germany becomes more and more fucked up by the minute.

this is not only about control of freedom of speech, but also
about pleasing overpowerful german meditap danceruls, who are basically telling the government, what to do.
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A few years ago, Germany was all about privacy and liberty. What the hell happened?
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You not reading what people write.

This is not a new law, but an interpretation by a local bureaucracy.

The german parliament has not specifically approved to target online livestreams.
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While I'm not into video game streaming, I do find this direction disturbing. Germany has ruled that internet live streamers who can reach more than 500 people are in fact "pirate broadcasts" and are illegal unless they obtain proper (expensive) licensing and follow the same rules imposed for public TV and radio stations.

"In an attempt to enforce a level of control over the thriving, yet largely un-regulated industry, the Landesmedienanstalt has temporarily ruled that live-streaming requires a broadcasting licence, natively known as a Rundfunklizenz."
[link to esports.clickon.co (secure)]

That's certainly an interesting way to silence online discussion and dissent. At the moment the target seems to be popular "twitch" channels which are generally just video game streams, but it would seem to apply to internet radio and other live streams originating from Germany as well. I don't think it's even a question as to whether Twitch, YouTube and other mainstream streaming providers will willingly hand over any info they have on "unlicensed" streamers targeted by German officials under their blanket interpretation of the law.

Speaking of interpretation, it seems that regulations in Germany prevent the broadcast of any material "deemed harmful to young persons" before 10pm. Again, it doesn't take much imagination to think this might be interpreted to include many of the topics discussed by GLP'ers on a regular basis.

While this doesn't seem to apply to the EU in general at the moment, let alone the US, it does provide an example of how a tyrannical government can outlaw online discussion by simply expanding their interpretation of existing television and radio regulations to include independent alternative media sources and streaming.
 Quoting: The Deplorable Astromut


When Twitch first announced the IRL channel for the platform, a lot of streamers were discussing this happening in the future. Some of the IRL channels can get into some pretty serious discussion. Then, once communities were added, it became clear that Twitch was becoming an interesting platform for "sharing." I'm a Twitch caster and I spend a LOT of time in various channels. It's moving far beyond a video game streaming platform.
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While I'm not into video game streaming, I do find this direction disturbing. Germany has ruled that internet live streamers who can reach more than 500 people are in fact "pirate broadcasts" and are illegal unless they obtain proper (expensive) licensing and follow the same rules imposed for public TV and radio stations.

"In an attempt to enforce a level of control over the thriving, yet largely un-regulated industry, the Landesmedienanstalt has temporarily ruled that live-streaming requires a broadcasting licence, natively known as a Rundfunklizenz."
[link to esports.clickon.co (secure)]

That's certainly an interesting way to silence online discussion and dissent. At the moment the target seems to be popular "twitch" channels which are generally just video game streams, but it would seem to apply to internet radio and other live streams originating from Germany as well. I don't think it's even a question as to whether Twitch, YouTube and other mainstream streaming providers will willingly hand over any info they have on "unlicensed" streamers targeted by German officials under their blanket interpretation of the law.

Speaking of interpretation, it seems that regulations in Germany prevent the broadcast of any material "deemed harmful to young persons" before 10pm. Again, it doesn't take much imagination to think this might be interpreted to include many of the topics discussed by GLP'ers on a regular basis.

While this doesn't seem to apply to the EU in general at the moment, let alone the US, it does provide an example of how a tyrannical government can outlaw online discussion by simply expanding their interpretation of existing television and radio regulations to include independent alternative media sources and streaming.
 Quoting: The Deplorable Astromut


When Twitch first announced the IRL channel for the platform, a lot of streamers were discussing this happening in the future. Some of the IRL channels can get into some pretty serious discussion. Then, once communities were added, it became clear that Twitch was becoming an interesting platform for "sharing." I'm a Twitch caster and I spend a LOT of time in various channels. It's moving far beyond a video game streaming platform.
 Quoting: AnathemaTNO


I was banned by twitch years ago. I started off on Justin tv before twitch split off, but because my first stream was a realtime simulation in a PC I had picked "gaming" as my category since it was the closest thing to a fit (there was no "science" category). They dumped my channel onto Twitch shortly thereafter, though most of my streams were real life footage from my telescope with the occasional realtime satellite decay simulation. That went on for a while until twitch suddenly banned me one night in the middle of a live stream from my telescope. Their stated reasoning is that it wasn't a video game and I was therefore violating the service license. I asked that they at least let me access the footage I had recorded earlier that night and they refused to give it to me.

I'm no fan of twitch and when justin tv shut its doors I experienced a bit of schadenfreude, but I still don't agree with any government trying to force its licensing and regulations on streamers. If twitch wants to kick people off its service for any reason or no reason at all, that's their business and their choice, but the government stepping in and potentially fining people who refuse to comply with their regulations on speech is downright disturbing and Orwellian. I wonder how much of this is driven by twitch becoming more than just a video game platform, or how much is driven by a perception that it would be easier to railroad gamers as a means to establish a precedent to later go after anyone who streams with any degree of visibility.
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While I'm not into video game streaming, I do find this direction disturbing. Germany has ruled that internet live streamers who can reach more than 500 people are in fact "pirate broadcasts" and are illegal unless they obtain proper (expensive) licensing and follow the same rules imposed for public TV and radio stations.

"In an attempt to enforce a level of control over the thriving, yet largely un-regulated industry, the Landesmedienanstalt has temporarily ruled that live-streaming requires a broadcasting licence, natively known as a Rundfunklizenz."
[link to esports.clickon.co (secure)]

That's certainly an interesting way to silence online discussion and dissent. At the moment the target seems to be popular "twitch" channels which are generally just video game streams, but it would seem to apply to internet radio and other live streams originating from Germany as well. I don't think it's even a question as to whether Twitch, YouTube and other mainstream streaming providers will willingly hand over any info they have on "unlicensed" streamers targeted by German officials under their blanket interpretation of the law.

Speaking of interpretation, it seems that regulations in Germany prevent the broadcast of any material "deemed harmful to young persons" before 10pm. Again, it doesn't take much imagination to think this might be interpreted to include many of the topics discussed by GLP'ers on a regular basis.

While this doesn't seem to apply to the EU in general at the moment, let alone the US, it does provide an example of how a tyrannical government can outlaw online discussion by simply expanding their interpretation of existing television and radio regulations to include independent alternative media sources and streaming.
 Quoting: The Deplorable Astromut


I didn't read your link, but your post needs some clarification.

This regulation (it's not a law) is not new, it's at least ten years old. The difference: If you break a law, you can get a financial penalty or jail sentence, if you violate a regulation you get a fine (comparable to a parking ticket, but more expensive) but no jail sentence.

For broadcasting an internet radio you (funnily) don't need a broadcasting licence. If you can reach more than 500 listeners, you need to register. The number of actual users don't count here, if you have only 50 users but your provider can handle 1000 users, you have to register.

The intention behind this regulation is not censorship but child and youth protection. There is not much scope to deny the licence, it only can be denied if your broadcast intends to permanently break German law, e.g. by trying to recruit members for terrorist organisations.
It is prohibited in Germany to broadcast material that may be harmful to young persons before 22:00. Thus, if you stream a game that is rated 18+ before 22:00, you break the law.

There are several ways to circumvent the need for a broadcasting licence:
If you don't stream on a regular base, e.g. every Wednesday - no licence needed.
If you don't comment on your stream - no licence needed.
If you don't switch cameras (no cuts in he stream) - no licence needed.
If you record it (without streaming it live) and put it on YouTube - no licence needed.

There is also one passage in the regulation that is debatable. Since a viewer can go back to the start of the stream, even if it's running since an hour, it could be interpreted as "video on demand" that don't need a licence.

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Next step another Reichstag fire?
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While I'm not into video game streaming, I do find this direction disturbing. Germany has ruled that internet live streamers who can reach more than 500 people are in fact "pirate broadcasts" and are illegal unless they obtain proper (expensive) licensing and follow the same rules imposed for public TV and radio stations.

"In an attempt to enforce a level of control over the thriving, yet largely un-regulated industry, the Landesmedienanstalt has temporarily ruled that live-streaming requires a broadcasting licence, natively known as a Rundfunklizenz."
[link to esports.clickon.co (secure)]

That's certainly an interesting way to silence online discussion and dissent. At the moment the target seems to be popular "twitch" channels which are generally just video game streams, but it would seem to apply to internet radio and other live streams originating from Germany as well. I don't think it's even a question as to whether Twitch, YouTube and other mainstream streaming providers will willingly hand over any info they have on "unlicensed" streamers targeted by German officials under their blanket interpretation of the law.

Speaking of interpretation, it seems that regulations in Germany prevent the broadcast of any material "deemed harmful to young persons" before 10pm. Again, it doesn't take much imagination to think this might be interpreted to include many of the topics discussed by GLP'ers on a regular basis.

While this doesn't seem to apply to the EU in general at the moment, let alone the US, it does provide an example of how a tyrannical government can outlaw online discussion by simply expanding their interpretation of existing television and radio regulations to include independent alternative media sources and streaming.
 Quoting: The Deplorable Astromut


I didn't read your link, but your post needs some clarification.

This regulation (it's not a law) is not new, it's at least ten years old. The difference: If you break a law, you can get a financial penalty or jail sentence, if you violate a regulation you get a fine (comparable to a parking ticket, but more expensive) but no jail sentence.

For broadcasting an internet radio you (funnily) don't need a broadcasting licence. If you can reach more than 500 listeners, you need to register. The number of actual users don't count here, if you have only 50 users but your provider can handle 1000 users, you have to register.

The intention behind this regulation is not censorship but child and youth protection. There is not much scope to deny the licence, it only can be denied if your broadcast intends to permanently break German law, e.g. by trying to recruit members for terrorist organisations.
It is prohibited in Germany to broadcast material that may be harmful to young persons before 22:00. Thus, if you stream a game that is rated 18+ before 22:00, you break the law.

There are several ways to circumvent the need for a broadcasting licence:
If you don't stream on a regular base, e.g. every Wednesday - no licence needed.
If you don't comment on your stream - no licence needed.
If you don't switch cameras (no cuts in he stream) - no licence needed.
If you record it (without streaming it live) and put it on YouTube - no licence needed.

There is also one passage in the regulation that is debatable. Since a viewer can go back to the start of the stream, even if it's running since an hour, it could be interpreted as "video on demand" that don't need a licence.

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 Quoting: Hydra

I appreciate the additional info (also, to clarify I just reposted their headline, though I know it's inaccurate I wanted to make it easy to search to avoid double posting). To me it seems ridiculous to demand that streamers pay for a license in the first place, and even more ridiculous to dictate what time of day they can stream. It's not like your audience are likely to all be in the same time zone, particularly if you're targeting an international audience, and frankly age restricted content controls should be implemented by the site itself, not by the government imposing timing restrictions on users. Also, if it's not a game with an official rating, but contains content the government deems objectionable, would it come under the same restriction? For instance, if I'm cursing up a storm at Nibirutards on a live stream where I'm cutting back and forth between a telescope camera and a webcam, would I not be subject to these regulations?

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Just as I've said over the years.

First they will ignore what's coming. They're they'll bitch about it... Then they'll try to pass laws forcing those participating in competing with legacy technologies and entrenched corporations to a "level playing field"

This is they're last gasp. Governments have never and will never be able to stay ahead of technology. They are only passing these kind of laws to protect the those that give them money or those they control.

This is only about propping up old failing models. Cable television, broadcast television, radio, etc are all being phased out. As they phase out this means governments will have less control and get less money from what's replacing it. So of course they will pass laws requiring people to be under the yoke of government.
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I smell Ubisoft's crummy hands in the back rooms with this deal

They LOVE killing people's fun!!!!

I can think of AT LEAST 8-10 games that LOVE Twitch.


For example PLAYER UNKNOWN'S Battlegrounds.

They have ZERO big budget commercials on TV

They have ZERO web ads, ZERO magazine adverts.

But through twitch they've sold SHIT TONS of copies

of the game. Just through word of mouth, mostly on Twitch.

They are the first early access game (that I know of) that sold

out of all of it's initial digital copies of the game.

I'd really say some of these Video Game Devs will be

pushing back on this rule. Alot of them rely on Twitch to

sell games
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Well...
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I could step in and stop that madness...

but..
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The UK has similar rules (has done since 2010-ish) that demands that if you provide TV-like videos on the internet that are produced in the UK that you have to pay a fee. The current system is under review with the possibility of reducing the fee to nothing for small providers, but they'll still be subject to regulation.
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not pirate broadcasts because they are using the INTERNET!! which is not the same as the radio frequency airwaves(which military, governments and corporations like to own and horde and claim rights to).
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The solution would be to do what trinity suggested the other day which is to go fully private and run VPNs on your router or even your own VPN servers.
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While I'm not into video game streaming, I do find this direction disturbing. Germany has ruled that internet live streamers who can reach more than 500 people are in fact "pirate broadcasts" and are illegal unless they obtain proper (expensive) licensing and follow the same rules imposed for public TV and radio stations.

"In an attempt to enforce a level of control over the thriving, yet largely un-regulated industry, the Landesmedienanstalt has temporarily ruled that live-streaming requires a broadcasting licence, natively known as a Rundfunklizenz."
[link to esports.clickon.co (secure)]

That's certainly an interesting way to silence online discussion and dissent. At the moment the target seems to be popular "twitch" channels which are generally just video game streams, but it would seem to apply to internet radio and other live streams originating from Germany as well. I don't think it's even a question as to whether Twitch, YouTube and other mainstream streaming providers will willingly hand over any info they have on "unlicensed" streamers targeted by German officials under their blanket interpretation of the law.

Speaking of interpretation, it seems that regulations in Germany prevent the broadcast of any material "deemed harmful to young persons" before 10pm. Again, it doesn't take much imagination to think this might be interpreted to include many of the topics discussed by GLP'ers on a regular basis.

While this doesn't seem to apply to the EU in general at the moment, let alone the US, it does provide an example of how a tyrannical government can outlaw online discussion by simply expanding their interpretation of existing television and radio regulations to include independent alternative media sources and streaming.
 Quoting: The Deplorable Astromut


I didn't read your link, but your post needs some clarification.

This regulation (it's not a law) is not new, it's at least ten years old. The difference: If you break a law, you can get a financial penalty or jail sentence, if you violate a regulation you get a fine (comparable to a parking ticket, but more expensive) but no jail sentence.

For broadcasting an internet radio you (funnily) don't need a broadcasting licence. If you can reach more than 500 listeners, you need to register. The number of actual users don't count here, if you have only 50 users but your provider can handle 1000 users, you have to register.

The intention behind this regulation is not censorship but child and youth protection. There is not much scope to deny the licence, it only can be denied if your broadcast intends to permanently break German law, e.g. by trying to recruit members for terrorist organisations.
It is prohibited in Germany to broadcast material that may be harmful to young persons before 22:00. Thus, if you stream a game that is rated 18+ before 22:00, you break the law.

There are several ways to circumvent the need for a broadcasting licence:
If you don't stream on a regular base, e.g. every Wednesday - no licence needed.
If you don't comment on your stream - no licence needed.
If you don't switch cameras (no cuts in he stream) - no licence needed.
If you record it (without streaming it live) and put it on YouTube - no licence needed.

There is also one passage in the regulation that is debatable. Since a viewer can go back to the start of the stream, even if it's running since an hour, it could be interpreted as "video on demand" that don't need a licence.
 Quoting: Hydra

I appreciate the additional info (also, to clarify I just reposted their headline, though I know it's inaccurate I wanted to make it easy to search to avoid double posting).
 Quoting: The Deplorable Astromut

It wasn't meant as a personal attack against you. The article (I've read in the meantime) does not provide much information about quite complicated German telekomunication laws.


To me it seems ridiculous to demand that streamers pay for a license in the first place, ....
 Quoting: The Deplorable Astromut

This is not a new regulation, it's from the time when the first private radio and TV stations came up in the 1980s: If you can reach a certain number of users, you have to apply for a licence. The regulation initially applied to internet radio stations, too, but was relaxed after a lawsuit, as I mentioned above. Thus I think, the same might happen here.


... and even more ridiculous to dictate what time of day they can stream. It's not like your audience are likely to all be in the same time zone, particularly if you're targeting an international audience, and frankly age restricted content controls should be implemented by the site itself, not by the government imposing timing restrictions on users.
 Quoting: The Deplorable Astromut

Does not really matter. As long as there might be German users, German laws apply. Of course the producer of the live stream can apply country restrictions à la "This video is not available in your country", then he could stream at any time.


Also, if it's not a game with an official rating, but contains content the government deems objectionable, would it come under the same restriction?
 Quoting: The Deplorable Astromut

If the producer of a game (or movie, ...) don't apply for a rating, it is automaticaly rated 18+.


For instance, if I'm cursing up a storm at Nibirutards on a live stream where I'm cutting back and forth between a telescope camera and a webcam, would I not be subject to these regulations?
 Quoting: The Deplorable Astromut

If you live in Germany and you can reach more than 500 viewers and do it e.g. every Sunday and comment the live stream and switch between scope camera and webcam, you have to apply for a licence that btw. is € 1000 to € 2500 (not 10,000 as stated in the article). With 2 million users (as in the case of the gamers) and ad revenue this should not be the problem.
Can the licence be denied? - No.

If you live in Germany and you can reach more than 500 viewers and do it e.g. every Sunday and comment the live stream and switch between ISIS fighting, beheading of hostages and an imam trying to recruit new ISIS members, you have to apply for a licence, too.
Can the licence be denied? - Yes (but in that case it will most probably not your major problem).

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While I'm not into video game streaming, I do find this direction disturbing. Germany has ruled that internet live streamers who can reach more than 500 people are in fact "pirate broadcasts" and are illegal unless they obtain proper (expensive) licensing and follow the same rules imposed for public TV and radio stations.

"In an attempt to enforce a level of control over the thriving, yet largely un-regulated industry, the Landesmedienanstalt has temporarily ruled that live-streaming requires a broadcasting licence, natively known as a Rundfunklizenz."
[link to esports.clickon.co (secure)]

That's certainly an interesting way to silence online discussion and dissent. At the moment the target seems to be popular "twitch" channels which are generally just video game streams, but it would seem to apply to internet radio and other live streams originating from Germany as well. I don't think it's even a question as to whether Twitch, YouTube and other mainstream streaming providers will willingly hand over any info they have on "unlicensed" streamers targeted by German officials under their blanket interpretation of the law.

Speaking of interpretation, it seems that regulations in Germany prevent the broadcast of any material "deemed harmful to young persons" before 10pm. Again, it doesn't take much imagination to think this might be interpreted to include many of the topics discussed by GLP'ers on a regular basis.

While this doesn't seem to apply to the EU in general at the moment, let alone the US, it does provide an example of how a tyrannical government can outlaw online discussion by simply expanding their interpretation of existing television and radio regulations to include independent alternative media sources and streaming.
 Quoting: The Deplorable Astromut


I didn't read your link, but your post needs some clarification.

This regulation (it's not a law) is not new, it's at least ten years old. The difference: If you break a law, you can get a financial penalty or jail sentence, if you violate a regulation you get a fine (comparable to a parking ticket, but more expensive) but no jail sentence.

For broadcasting an internet radio you (funnily) don't need a broadcasting licence. If you can reach more than 500 listeners, you need to register. The number of actual users don't count here, if you have only 50 users but your provider can handle 1000 users, you have to register.

The intention behind this regulation is not censorship but child and youth protection. There is not much scope to deny the licence, it only can be denied if your broadcast intends to permanently break German law, e.g. by trying to recruit members for terrorist organisations.
It is prohibited in Germany to broadcast material that may be harmful to young persons before 22:00. Thus, if you stream a game that is rated 18+ before 22:00, you break the law.

There are several ways to circumvent the need for a broadcasting licence:
If you don't stream on a regular base, e.g. every Wednesday - no licence needed.
If you don't comment on your stream - no licence needed.
If you don't switch cameras (no cuts in he stream) - no licence needed.
If you record it (without streaming it live) and put it on YouTube - no licence needed.

There is also one passage in the regulation that is debatable. Since a viewer can go back to the start of the stream, even if it's running since an hour, it could be interpreted as "video on demand" that don't need a licence.
 Quoting: Hydra

I appreciate the additional info (also, to clarify I just reposted their headline, though I know it's inaccurate I wanted to make it easy to search to avoid double posting).
 Quoting: The Deplorable Astromut

It wasn't meant as a personal attack against you. The article (I've read in the meantime) does not provide much information about quite complicated German telekomunication laws.


To me it seems ridiculous to demand that streamers pay for a license in the first place, ....
 Quoting: The Deplorable Astromut

This is not a new regulation, it's from the time when the first private radio and TV stations came up in the 1980s: If you can reach a certain number of users, you have to apply for a licence. The regulation initially applied to internet radio stations, too, but was relaxed after a lawsuit, as I mentioned above. Thus I think, the same might happen here.


... and even more ridiculous to dictate what time of day they can stream. It's not like your audience are likely to all be in the same time zone, particularly if you're targeting an international audience, and frankly age restricted content controls should be implemented by the site itself, not by the government imposing timing restrictions on users.
 Quoting: The Deplorable Astromut

Does not really matter. As long as there might be German users, German laws apply. Of course the producer of the live stream can apply country restrictions à la "This video is not available in your country", then he could stream at any time.


Also, if it's not a game with an official rating, but contains content the government deems objectionable, would it come under the same restriction?
 Quoting: The Deplorable Astromut

If the producer of a game (or movie, ...) don't apply for a rating, it is automaticaly rated 18+.


For instance, if I'm cursing up a storm at Nibirutards on a live stream where I'm cutting back and forth between a telescope camera and a webcam, would I not be subject to these regulations?
 Quoting: The Deplorable Astromut

If you live in Germany and you can reach more than 500 viewers and do it e.g. every Sunday and comment the live stream and switch between scope camera and webcam, you have to apply for a licence that btw. is € 1000 to € 2500 (not 10,000 as stated in the article). With 2 million users (as in the case of the gamers) and ad revenue this should not be the problem.
Can the licence be denied? - No.

If you live in Germany and you can reach more than 500 viewers and do it e.g. every Sunday and comment the live stream and switch between ISIS fighting, beheading of hostages and an imam trying to recruit new ISIS members, you have to apply for a licence, too.
Can the licence be denied? - Yes (but in that case it will most probably not your major problem).

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 Quoting: Hydra

Yeah, well I'm not a big time streamer and I don't make any money from my webcasts, so basically this would prevent me from ever setting up a regularly scheduled webcast. Maybe it's just an American thing, but I find this kind of regulation absolutely abhorrent. I could understand it for the airwaves where a limited spectrum exists, but for online streaming it's absurd to me. I just hope the bureaucrats at the FCC in the US don't eventually decide this is a good model to follow.
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Germany is ground zero, for something very bad.
Who really does murkhell and all the other politicians there really act as front for?

Thank you Dr A
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Sorry, but the U.S. is ground zero. There's only one developed country left where residents can legally arm themselves. That's why the U.S. has been targeted.
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Yeah, well I'm not a big time streamer and I don't make any money from my webcasts, so basically this would prevent me from ever setting up a regularly scheduled webcast. Maybe it's just an American thing, but I find this kind of regulation absolutely abhorrent. I could understand it for the airwaves where a limited spectrum exists, but for online streaming it's absurd to me. I just hope the bureaucrats at the FCC in the US don't eventually decide this is a good model to follow.
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I agree, there is a kind of over-regulation. And regarding the internet the German government is still stuck somewhere in the 2000s.
But the main purpose for this regulation is child and youth protection. I think you have similar regulations in the US, at least for movies.

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