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Best home defense longgun ? AK vs AR rifle vs 12 ga tactical shotgun vs other? ...

 
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Best home defense longgun ? AK vs AR rifle vs 12 ga tactical shotgun vs other? ...
My primary home defense go-to gun that stays close by is a Glock G22 loaded with Speer Gold Dot 155 grainers. Thats 16 rounds of 530 ft-lb ammo that displays proper terminal ballistics, in a gun that is ultra-reliable and that I can shoot very accurately and rapidly with a 3.5 lb connector to lighten the trigger break a little.



However, for those times when you feel the need or have the time to grab a more effective weapon, a longgun, whats the best choice?

I have decided for me that it comes down to three choices:

1) An AK-47 type rifle. These are very popular rifles that are near-100% reliable, effective and most often use 30 round magazines, but higher capacity mags can be used. High capacity is a big advantage here. Perfect reliability, even with cheap ammo, is a big plus here also. The AK is about the most reliable semi-automatic weapon in the world. Ive shot 1,000's of rounds through dozens of AK's over the past 15 years, and never had or seen a malfunction of any type.

2) An AR-15 rifle. Preferrably the M4 pattern rifle with collpsable buttstock and shorter 16" barrel. As above uses 30 round mags most often, but can use higher. Again, capacity is an advantage here. possibly slightly less reliable than an AK(but still extremely reliable) and slightly lighter also. Ammo has less penetrative ability but is about equally effective against humans.

3) A 'tactical' style pump 12 gauge shotgun such as a Mossberg 500A or 590 or Remington 870 tactical, loaded with #1 to 00 buckshot. These shotguns have shorter 20" barrels and longer, higher capacity 7-9 round tube magazines, than the standard hunting pump 12 gauge. Very effective round- the 12 gauge is perhaps the most effective round against human adversaries that civilians can buy. Very accuarte and easy to shoot. Anyone with a little practice, and most of those even without it, can hit center of mass quickly with a good 12 gauge. They point and shoot extremely well.


My choice right now is a SAR-1 model AK-47, with 40 round mag loaded with Wolf FMJ ammo, and a 6V Combat light w/ pressure switch. But I also own an AR-15, and a Mossberg 500A shotgun.


Whats the best choice in your opinion for the best home defense longgun? One of these, or something else, and why?






ps. I see Omega has an avatar now with someone holding a tactical 12 gauge. Good choice, and seeing that pic is what made me decide to do this thread.
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Microwave guns work pretty good i hear.

street sweeper auto-shotguns with a 100 round drum works well too.
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shotgun for inside, ak for outside
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oh crap..double post
think for yourself, question authority.. - Dr. Timothy Leary ... Life!.. it's just a ride! - Bill Hicks
The possession of anything begins in the mind - Bruce Lee

The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious.... - ALBERT EINSTEIN
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opposing zealousness at roots ultimately suffer
Though our 'creators'(..'in our image' - Genesis) may have given us life. Bighting the hand that feeds you has never been such a wise phrase.
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duct tape them all together
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A poser for you -

from my Security System Training -

An unarmed theif/burglar breaks into your home while you are away - the thief puts the GUN in his waist band -
Your wife or Teen aged daughter comes home while the thief is still in your house -

Cornered - armed with your weapon.

A VERY Dangerous situation.

Be ever wary what Security truly is.

Daniel


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A poser for you -

from my Security System Training -

An unarmed theif/burglar breaks into your home while you are away - the thief puts the GUN in his waist band -
Your wife or Teen aged daughter comes home while the thief is still in your house -

Cornered - armed with your weapon.

A VERY Dangerous situation.

Be ever wary what Security truly is.

Daniel


eyZ
 Quoting: Daniel


More realistically, your kids play with the 12 gauge and get their brains blown out. The problem is that if its in easy reach when you need it, its also within reach of an inquisitive 9 year old. Keep something nonlethal handy, like pepper spray or a taser if you can get it. The firepower goes in something metal with a lock.
Rarrgh!
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Re: Best home defense longgun ? AK vs AR rifle vs 12 ga tactical shotgun vs other? ...
A poser for you -

from my Security System Training -

An unarmed theif/burglar breaks into your home while you are away - the thief puts the GUN in his waist band -
Your wife or Teen aged daughter comes home while the thief is still in your house -

Cornered - armed with your weapon.

A VERY Dangerous situation.

Be ever wary what Security truly is.

Daniel


:eyZ:
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Daniel, thanks, but I hope no one is stupid enough to leave unlocked firearms in the home while no one is there. At least I dont anyway. The longguns stay in the gunsafe, the 2 handguns we use go with my wife and I when we leave.
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More realistically, your kids play with the 12 gauge and get their brains blown out. The problem is that if its in easy reach when you need it, its also within reach of a 9 year old. Keep something nonlethal handy, like pepper spray or a taser if you can get it. The firepower goes in something metal with a lock.
 Quoting: Thanatos


Cool guys, thanks for hijacking my thread.


fuq it. Later
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I have a couple of guns inside my home,i keep them loaded at all times and up away from any child that might come into my home but, also within range in case i need them fast.
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I should have known better than to have a serious discussion here.

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Re: Best home defense longgun ? AK vs AR rifle vs 12 ga tactical shotgun vs other? ...
More realistically, your kids play with the 12 gauge and get their brains blown out. The problem is that if its in easy reach when you need it, its also within reach of a 9 year old. Keep something nonlethal handy, like pepper spray or a taser if you can get it. The firepower goes in something metal with a lock.
 Quoting: Thanatos

Teach kids early about guns and safety. There was a time when 7 year olds carried a rifle to school with them everyday, and nobody got shot.
Of course, there are always the neighbor's kids to consider.
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Re: Best home defense longgun ? AK vs AR rifle vs 12 ga tactical shotgun vs other? ...
A 110 decible siren triggered upon an intrusion and

a Monitored system that notifies Security/Police is an alternative/additional safety measure.

Daniel


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Cool guys, thanks for hijacking my thread.

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Re: Best home defense longgun ? AK vs AR rifle vs 12 ga tactical shotgun vs other? ...
i regularly handled and fired guns by the time i was 8... but back then parents were responsible and kids weren't alienated from learning real knowledge.

also, there were a lot less goddamned outright commies in north america back then.
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Re: Best home defense longgun ? AK vs AR rifle vs 12 ga tactical shotgun vs other? ...
More realistically, your kids play with the 12 gauge and get their brains blown out. The problem is that if its in easy reach when you need it, its also within reach of a 9 year old. Keep something nonlethal handy, like pepper spray or a taser if you can get it. The firepower goes in something metal with a lock.

Teach kids early about guns and safety. There was a time when 7 year olds carried a rifle to school with them everyday, and nobody got shot.
Of course, there are always the neighbor's kids to consider.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20104


teach em early and proper i did. my son is a hunter like myself i never had to worry about issues. he was also instructed not to show his freinds any guns. not only instructed but explained why. long story...and alot of time and training....love also helps
12 ga. for home use definately.........high velocity bullets not good for indoors, but if that all you have then use that instead of PEPPER SPRAY! lmao
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A 110 decible siren triggered upon an intrusion and

a Monitored system that notifies Security/Police is an alternative/additional safety measure.

Daniel


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I have an alarm also and i can set it many diff. ways to monitor traffic in and around my home,i live in the country but it takes the police 30 mins. or more to get to my place so im gonna shoot first,then if they are still alive ,i will fire again!

Many meth labs around,many more idiots that use it.
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and rent a cops and cops for that matter don't particularly care to protect individual citizens... they only care about protecting the liabilities of their employer and the municipality.

cmon get real, you know that is the case.
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Re: Best home defense longgun ? AK vs AR rifle vs 12 ga tactical shotgun vs other? ...
If you want specifics, my main home defense guns, that are easily accessible when I'm home, are a Mossberg 500 with 18.5" barrel, as built except for the buttpad, and a 5 rnd ammo carrier on the stock, and a Springfield XD 45, which has a 13 +1 capacity.
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Re: Best home defense longgun ? AK vs AR rifle vs 12 ga tactical shotgun vs other? ...
#4 birdshot in the mossy or rem870 gives a good solid column of pellets for about 20-30ft... enough coverage for clearing rooms and hallways if scumbag zombies or goblins are being pesky and refuse to exit peacefully.

once they're outside, it's only in my cuffs or a bodybag so it don't matter what that next option is.
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#4 birdshot in the mossy or rem870 gives a good solid column of pellets for about 20-30ft... enough coverage for clearing rooms and hallways if scumbag zombies or goblins are being pesky and refuse to exit peacefully.

once they're outside, it's only in my cuffs or a bodybag so it don't matter what that next option is.
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I'm not a fan of birdshot or slugs for 12 gauge self defense. Sure, at very close ranges, the birdshot acts like a single column, but at more than 15 feet, the spread is too much, and the penetration too little. If you think you can count on that to stop someone effectively, youre wrong. This has been proven time and again. Buckshot is the way to go for self defense. Many many tests and expert observers' opinions have verified this.

for some good tests on shotgun ammo and other ammo, check out:

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SINCE THE SPOOKS LOVE THREADS LIKE THIS AND POSSIBLY LEARN SOMETHING FROM IT/THOSE/THESE...

HERE YA GO!

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GET SLUGS FOR THE SHOTGUN AND A BANDELLERA
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IF YOU WANT THE AR-15 SET UP...JUST SHOOT THE FUCKING UN BASTARD COMING AFTER YOU AND TAKE HIS!
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its called a magazine

not a "clip"

only rednecks and gangbangers call them clips

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HEY FUCKWAD...MAGAZINES ARE FOR COFFEE TABLES
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HEY FUCKWAD...MAGAZINES ARE FOR COFFEE TABLES
 Quoting: REAR VIEW (NLI) 150179


You know, while it is amusing to watch idiots calling eachother fuckwads and hicks over a definition, please, you are embarrassing yourselves.
Rarrgh!
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Ak-47 is the best weapon money can buy. It is the most reliable and durable weapon out there.

My second choice would be a good revolver. They are very reliable too.
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Re: Best home defense longgun ? AK vs AR rifle vs 12 ga tactical shotgun vs other? ...
and I should probably mention that owning a firearm is a good thing. Not because you kill with it but because you have ensured your domestic security. The police won't always be there for you and at somepoint sooner or later there is bound to be a martial law event.

heck. CNN says every week we need to surrender freedom for security. Can't possibly be a good thing.
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Re: Best home defense longgun ? AK vs AR rifle vs 12 ga tactical shotgun vs other? ...
I HATE TO SHAKE YOUR WORLD BUT IN A FIREARM FIREFIGHT BETTER OFF TO USE THE WEAPONS YOUR ENEMY USES...

ONE: YOU WILL NEVER RUN OUT OF AMMO OR GUNS...AND THE AK IS NOT USED BY ANY OF THE ENFORCERS HERE! PLUS THE AMMO IS HEAVY AND HARD TO RELOAD...

SURE IT FIRES FIRST TIME EVERYTIME...BUT IN A FIREFIGHT BETTER TO TAKE YOUR ENEMYS WEAPONS AND USE THEM ON HIM!
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The shotgun is MUCH more effective when you've just been woken up by someone breaking into your house, as you don't need to aim as well.

But you're NOT going to get the same effect as a well-placed round or 2 from any of the other weapons.

And that MIGHT be a good thing, if you shoot the WRONG person!



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