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Parker Peters' livejournal - a former Wikipedia admin who left because of the abuses in the system - has been slowly exposing how Wikipedia's corrupt system works, even while he tried to reform it from inside. Today, one of the powers that be tried to silence him. A good expose' of how corrupt Wikipedia really is.
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[link to parkerpeters.livejournal.com]
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sounds like its been GLP'd

lmao

destroyed from within
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It's an extension now of the Jewish media empire.
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has been slowly exposing
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Wikipedia: Goebbels would be proud of it
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sounds like its been GLP'd

lmao

destroyed from within
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Right on the money.
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[link to parkerpeters.livejournal.com]

The message? Here is how Wikipedia administrators work when they want to cover something up. Theresa Knott, Grandmasterka, and a few others are very good at it, mostly because they constantly scan the WP:ANI and other project pages to look for people to abuse.

1. - "Scarlet Letter" harassment.
Find any tag you can put on a user's pages - the more insulting the better - and insist that it be put on their pages. If you've got admin rights, lock their userpage down so they can't remove it themselves. Make sure that you inform your toadies via the back channels, so that the "Scarlet Letter" can be brought up whenever you need to argue against something they've said - after all, why try to actually bring well-thought conversation or logical points when you can just kill the messenger.

The goal of Scarlet Letter Harassment is to make it impossible for someone that the abusive users are targeting to work within Wikipedia even if they want to. Once someone is tagged by a "Scarlet Letter" item, everything they do is suspect: normal edits, normal suggestions, instead of being taken seriously, are treated with disgust, contempt, and ridicule because of what's been forced onto their pages. If they speak out against someone abusing them? "Oh look, a scarlet letter on their page, they are obviously guilty" - it becomes a method of control and a justification for all sorts of abusive, insulting behavior.

And it goes directly against the idea that Wikipedia's mechanisms are not supposed to be punitive in nature, but then again, Wikipedia threw that idea out long ago: the new method by which blocking and administrator tools are used is to browbeat and attack people until they know better than to ever cross an administrator's path again.

The new Modus Operandi of administrator blocks:
#1 - Block once for anything
#2 - If blocking again, no matter how minor a reason, slap on an extra 3 days. Claim it's "because the first block didn't work."
#3 - Double up the block if the user so much as posts an unblock request, to punish them for daring to question the judgement of an administrator.
#4 - Go to Infinite. Why? Because you're an administrator. Nobody's going to question an administrator, you're all-powerful.

2 - Pretext, pretext, pretext.
One of the notes left about RunedChozo claims that he was "being a jerk to Itaqallah (one of the more mild-mannered editors on Wikipedia)"; in the first place, Itaqallah and RunedChozo were both at fault and mutually antagonistic to each other, and to call Itaqallah a "mild-mannered" editor is an outright lie; Itaqallah's been involved in numerous edit wars, and I've debunked both his and his friend Tariqabjotu's "good faith" numerous times in other emails published in the wiken-l archives. Particularly damning is their behavior from back in december.

The goal of pretext is to create "something" that in some way could be construed to be a blockable offense, and then use it to beat the person you're targeting over the head.

3 - Block and terminate.
Steel359 shows us how to do this quite succinctly: not only does he block RunedChozo for infinite duration (21:21, 14 February 2007 Steel359 (Talk | contribs) blocked "RunedChozo (contribs)" (anon. only, account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite) but he's the one who locks down the talk page as well as removes the unblock request for a block he himself created.

4 - Hide your deeds.
In this case, it's Itaqallah doing some of the dirty work making sockpuppet accusations with no basis (again see Scarlet Letter, the goal is to block anyone from investigating malfeasance), it's JKelly removing secondary comments.

The goal? To hide the evidence of administrator malfeasance, especially when it's an administrator like Steel359 who's connected to an abusive (see above) admin who somehow got into the Arbcom.

5 - Rub salt into the wounds
For instance, Asterion leaves an insulting message telling RunedChozo he's blocked and can use the unblock template when Steel359 (remember, the same abuser who made insulting comments to RunedChozo and blocked him the first time) has already abusively locked the page and deliberately remove the unblock template multiple times.

Well, that pretty much charts the way that administrators are currently going about their abuse on wikipedia. Expect the note on how wikipedia easily turns "consensus" into "groupthink" - as well as how fine the line is between them - sometime soon.

And enjoy your weekend. Unless you're an abusive wikipedia administrator or one of the liars and criminals from C Bean Trucking, in which case I hope that you have a run-in with each other and get to experience what I get to: two months unable to walk at all and at least six of painful rehab.
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Daniel

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It's an extension now of the Jewish media empire.
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fucking asshole, constantly blaming the jews for everything. you fucking people suck moose cock.
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It's an extension now of the Jewish media empire.

fucking asshole, constantly blaming the jews for everything. you fucking people suck moose cock.
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Richard Branson and Wikipedia - look it up.
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It's an extension now of the Jewish media empire.

fucking asshole, constantly blaming the jews for everything. you fucking people suck moose cock.
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Sincerely, I wish I was making this up. I abhor the fact that it's the truth.
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sounds like its been GLP'd

lmao

destroyed from within
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From the first link, you go to the 'issues' that this douche has with Wiki:

What I have problems with are admins who are (A) stuck up, (B) over-egoed,
(C) dickish, or (D) abusive. Admins who insult users, or who fail to
properly sanction other users who are insulting someone, or go over the top
blocking/banning one person while excusing horrid behavior on the part of
others towards that person.


[link to lists.wikimedia.org]

Scathing abuses there, eh?

chuckle
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Could it be that Wikipedia has too much info on the Illuminati?
The secret controllers for sure don't appreciate that so I would be not surprised if this is just part of another smear campaign.
I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ...
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It's an extension now of the Jewish media empire.

fucking asshole, constantly blaming the jews for everything. you fucking people suck moose cock.
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There are reasons for that:

[link to judicial-inc.biz]
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sounds like its been GLP'd

lmao

destroyed from within
Right on the money.
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You mean the same issues with Elaines TTs nipples arrose again ?

Elaines preference for anal sex is on paper again ?

Give me a link! hiding

That is interesting!

I shitstream on myself with the expectations !
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Most of the Wikipedia administrators and editors are Europeans, British, Canadians with few Americans.
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Most of the Wikipedia administrators and editors are Europeans, British, Canadians with few Americans.
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Is that a good, or a bad thing?
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Example of Wikipedia bias toward Israel:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Mossad
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History

The Mossad was formed in December 1949 as the "Central Institute for Coordination", at the recommendation of Reuven Shiloah to Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion. Shiloah wanted a central body to coordinate and improve cooperation between the existing security services — the army's intelligence department (AMAN), the General Security Service (GSS or "Shabak") and the foreign office's "political department". In March 1951, it was reorganized and made a part of the prime minister's office, reporting directly to the prime minister. Its current staff is estimated at approximately 1,200.

Mossad's original motto: be-tahbūlōt ta`aseh lekhā milkhamāh (Hebrew: בתחבולות תעשה לך מלחמה‎, "For by wise counsel thou shalt make thy war." - Proverbs XXIV, 6 or the more recognised translation "By way of deception thou shalt make war") was changed recently as part of the Mossad's public 'coming out' to another Proverbs passage: be-'éyn tahbūlōt yīpōl `ām; ū-teshū`āh be-rōv yo'éts (Hebrew: באין תחבולות יפול עם, ותשועה ברוב יועץ‎, "Where no counsel is, the people fall, but in the multitude of counselors there is safety." - Proverbs XI, 14)

As awareness of this information started to spread, wikipedia was corrected and now states:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

History

The Mossad was formed in December 1949 as the "Central Institute for Coordination", at the recommendation of Reuven Shiloah to Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion. Shiloah wanted a central body to coordinate and improve cooperation between the existing security services — the army's intelligence department (AMAN), the General Security Service (GSS or "Shin Bet") and the foreign office's "political department". In March 1951, it was reorganized and made a part of the prime minister's office, reporting directly to the prime minister. Its current staff is estimated at 1,200. Its motto is be-'éyn tahbūlōt yīpōl `ām; ū-teshū`āh be-rōv yo'éts (Hebrew: באין תחבולות יפול עם, ותשועה ברוב יועץ‎, "14"For lack of guidance a nation falls, but many advisers make victory sure." - Proverbs XI, 14). [1]

Conspiracy theories

Like other intelligence agencies, the Mossad has frequently been the subject of unsubstantiated conspiracy theories. This has included purported involvement in the John F. Kennedy assassination,[12] the death of Diana, Princess of Wales,[13] the assassination of Elie Hobeika,[14] more recently the September 11th attacks[15] and the assassination of Rafik Hariri.

A commonly circulated internet myth incorrectly attributes the motto; "By way of deception, thou shalt do war", to the Mossad.[16]



Diff and modifications details available here:
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Proverbs 24:6 has never been translated as:

""By way of deception thou shalt make war""

Pick your translation:

[link to bible.cc]

NASB: For by wise guidance you will wage war, And in abundance of counselors there is victory. (NASB ©1995)

GWT: After all, with the right strategy you can wage war, and with many advisers there is victory. (GOD'S WORD®)

KJV: For by wise counsel thou shalt make thy war: and in multitude of counsellors there is safety.

ASV: For by wise guidance thou shalt make thy war; And in the multitude of counsellors there is safety.

BBE: For by wise guiding you will overcome in war: and in a number of wise guides there is salvation.

DBY: For with good advice shalt thou make thy war; and in the multitude of counsellors there is safety.

JPS: For with wise advice thou shalt make thy war; and in the multitude of counsellors there is safety.

WBS: For by wise counsel thou shalt make thy war: and in multitude of counselors there is safety.

WEB: for by wise guidance you wage your war; and victory is in many advisors.

YLT: For by plans thou makest for thyself war, And deliverance is in a multitude of counsellors.

rolleyes
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From the Mossad Wikipedia page:
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Successful Operation
The sending of letter bombs to assassination targets, such as during the Wrath of God campaign. Some of these attacks were not fatal, although their purpose might not have been to kill the receiver.

Slithering snakes.

Of course, it doesn't have a Jew bias though noooooooo.
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Proverbs 24:6 has never been translated as:

""By way of deception thou shalt make war""

Pick your translation:

[link to bible.cc]

NASB: For by wise guidance you will wage war, And in abundance of counselors there is victory. (NASB ©1995)

GWT: After all, with the right strategy you can wage war, and with many advisers there is victory. (GOD'S WORD®)

KJV: For by wise counsel thou shalt make thy war: and in multitude of counsellors there is safety.

ASV: For by wise guidance thou shalt make thy war; And in the multitude of counsellors there is safety.

BBE: For by wise guiding you will overcome in war: and in a number of wise guides there is salvation.

DBY: For with good advice shalt thou make thy war; and in the multitude of counsellors there is safety.

JPS: For with wise advice thou shalt make thy war; and in the multitude of counsellors there is safety.

WBS: For by wise counsel thou shalt make thy war: and in multitude of counselors there is safety.

WEB: for by wise guidance you wage your war; and victory is in many advisors.

YLT: For by plans thou makest for thyself war, And deliverance is in a multitude of counsellors.

rolleyes
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"For by wise counsel thou shalt make thy war." - Proverbs XXIV, 6 or the more recognised translation "By way of deception thou shalt make war") was changed recently as part of the Mossad's public 'coming out'

I ll take that Victor Ostrovsky is a self hating Jew, isn´t he?

Anyway you are missing the point:

Before/
Mossad's original motto:...

After/
Its motto is...
A commonly circulated internet myth...

The previous motto is not discussed anymore in History and has become a conspiracy theory.
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Before/
Mossad's original motto:...

After/
Its motto is...
A commonly circulated internet myth...

 Quoting: tachik0ma 200295


You have the order wrong, and the original 'motto' (the BS "deception" one) is the myth...
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Before/
Mossad's original motto:...

After/
Its motto is...
A commonly circulated internet myth...



You have the order wrong, and the original 'motto' (the BS "deception" one) is the myth...
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No order is right.

If you thinks so, then it happened.
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Most of the Wikipedia administrators and editors are Europeans, British, Canadians with few Americans.


Is that a good, or a bad thing?
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Bad. Very bad.

We do not know much on the backgrounds of these European, British, Canadian and American administrators and editors of Wikipedia.
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We do not know much on the backgrounds of these European, British, Canadian and American administrators and editors of Wikipedia.
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Why do we care?

Would it make you feel better if we knew 'everything' about them and they were devout radical Muslims?

Cross reference the info you find there and don't take any one source as 'gospel'...
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No order is right.

If you thinks so, then it happened.
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No...No it's not...And it has nothing to do with what I 'think'...It has to do with what you posted from Wiki:

Mossad's original motto: "For by wise counsel thou shalt make thy war." - Proverbs XXIV, 6 or the more recognised translation "By way of deception thou shalt make war") was changed recently as part of the Mossad's public 'coming out' to another Proverbs passage: "Where no counsel is, the people fall, but in the multitude of counselors there is safety." - Proverbs XI, 14)

A commonly circulated internet myth incorrectly attributes the motto; "By way of deception, thou shalt do war", to the Mossad.[16]


I can't help it if you can't follow it...

rolleyes
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Bad Astronomy Forum uses the same tactics.
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No order is right.

If you thinks so, then it happened.


No...No it's not...And it has nothing to do with what I 'think'...It has to do with what you posted from Wiki:

Mossad's original motto: "For by wise counsel thou shalt make thy war." - Proverbs XXIV, 6 or the more recognised translation "By way of deception thou shalt make war") was changed recently as part of the Mossad's public 'coming out' to another Proverbs passage: "Where no counsel is, the people fall, but in the multitude of counselors there is safety." - Proverbs XI, 14)

A commonly circulated internet myth incorrectly attributes the motto; "By way of deception, thou shalt do war", to the Mossad.[16]


I can't help it if you can't follow it...

rolleyes
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74049


Before change=14:24, 2 May 2006

Mossad's original motto: "For by wise counsel thou shalt make thy war." - Proverbs XXIV, 6 or the more recognised translation "By way of deception thou shalt make war") was changed recently as part of the Mossad's public 'coming out' to another Proverbs passage: "Where no counsel is, the people fall, but in the multitude of counselors there is safety." - Proverbs XI, 14)

Then change.

After change=11:41 AM, 24 Feb 2007

The Mossad was formed in December 1949 as the "Central Institute for Coordination", at the recommendation of Reuven Shiloah to Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion. Shiloah wanted a central body to coordinate and improve cooperation between the existing security services — the army's intelligence department (AMAN), the General Security Service (GSS or "Shin Bet") and the foreign office's "political department". In March 1951, it was reorganized and made a part of the prime minister's office, reporting directly to the prime minister. Its current staff is estimated at 1,200. Its motto is "For lack of guidance a nation falls, but many advisers make victory sure." - Proverbs XI, 14). [1]


A commonly circulated internet mythA commonly circulated internet myth incorrectly attributes the motto; "By way of deception, thou shalt do war", to the Mossad.[16]

Please clarify what you mean by the order is wrong, I am not sure I am following you.
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Please clarify what you mean by the order is wrong, I am not sure I am following you.
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I'm not sure I am either...

chuckle
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The problem is the admin power.The wikipedia itself is great unless they interfere.Its best place on the web where you can get obscure and forgotten facts.
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We do not know much on the backgrounds of these European, British, Canadian and American administrators and editors of Wikipedia.


Why do we care?

Would it make you feel better if we knew 'everything' about them and they were devout radical Muslims?

Cross reference the info you find there and don't take any one source as 'gospel'...
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*sigh*

Moron, Wikipedia's reputation as a legitimate free, open-source encyclopedia for everyone depends on the knowledge and backgrounds of the editors and administrators running Wikipedia.

How credible are they? How credible their knowledges or expertise are? What are their academic credentials and backgrounds in being editors of Wikipedia? One of my old college professors told me that most college professors won't accept Wikipedia as sources from students turning in essays or dissertations because of the editors and people running behind Wikipedia. He gave one student a F grade for solely relying on Wikipedia as sources and citations. He has 40 years of academic experience in political science and won't accept the academic credibility of Wikipedia.

There are not much we know about them, moron.
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Wikipedia is like pornographic immorality and pedophillia and the television, all perverted tools of the sick bastards we all know as zionists.

It's too damned easy to see the transparent bias with Wikipedia.

Show me ONE ZIONIST jew who ever came up with a useful or revolutionary idea and I'll show you a thief, a charlatain or a liar...one that rode the backs of a suppressed "goyim" population being maintained as a herd through intellectual manipulation.
Take Einstein, has anyone every been able to prove his theories, or that he was even the origin of them? NUFF SAID!

What about Freuds pedophilic ideas about phsychology? Does this bunk actually prove true? Is cocaine a treatment for depression? well, sure it is, until you become addicted to it like he did.

I could go on an on, but suffice it to say they (jews) ARE NOT intellectually superior, they are simply unencumbered by a conscience ,damned good liars and organized manipulators that hide a conspiracy in a religion.
What have they really accomplished with thier so called "superior intellect"? Anything ? Oh yeah, they hornswaggled people like you making it virtually impossible to resist thier agenda, didn't they?





GLP