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What if our belief in self-government is just a myth?

 
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Just pretty words.......

By the People, For the People..

Meritocracy....

Liberty
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It's all words that need enforcers and fear to control the idiots.
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The entire system is fake but the real problem is : THE PEOPLE WANT TO BELIEVE THE LIES BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS TOO THREATENING TO THEIR WAY OF LIFE. The People are the problem as they will go along to get along.
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tl;dr
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What if we don’t really govern ourselves? What do we do about it?
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We should have remained hunter-gatherers, the best lifestyle for the human animal.

This civilized way of life is slavery, and it's destroying the planet.
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^ more Truth here than most can comprehend!
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We should have remained pre-sentient slime.
That way, we wouldn't even be aware of how terrible we could become.

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He is right. We used to have self governance. That went away after WW2. Ike was right, the military-industrial complex is out of control. Our government is bought and paid for by special interests. Lobbyists are criminals throughout the world, except in America. Here they run the government.
 Quoting: Epic Beard Guy


We need term-limits for CONgrist, and we need to push collectively, en masse, for EFFECTIVE anti-lobbying regulations (that get ENFORCED).

Of course, the politicians will do everything in their power to defeat these efforts..

That age-old question : How do you stop corruption?

(Has that ever been solved? Pure luck or happenstance doesn't count.. Why were the people of the 19th century different than those of today?)
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There are indications that in ancient times, even further back than we are allowed to know, because the records and evidence have been purposely destroyed, that a matriarchal society preceded the current patriarchal. There were indications it was a golden age, and people were not taught violence and fighting.

Then as men became the rulers overthrowing the matriarch, the wars and violence has been perpetual. Like or not, it seems like the Goddess is all throughout the Bible, as hard as they tried to dispel her, she is there in the gematria and elsewhere.
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Lol and that is total bullshit. Women can't manage themselves out side of a kitchen. Most today can't even handle the kitchen.
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I agree.

Anyone who has lived in a house run completely by women, has seen chaos, filth, continually shifting and unfair rules, and near poverty brought on by vanity - makeup, clothes, furs, diamonds, and such are the highest spending priority.

If the government weren't supporting women, you would see miserable, homeless women everywhere, hauling sick babies around.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41921629


I feel like those are not real women. Real women take pride in keeping the home and children in order. But real women are a dying breed in this sinful world.

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I'm an Anarchist and believe that if people we're allowed to, they can self-govern but the problem is society is NOT capable of doing so at this point in history. People have been so dumbed down and have become too reliant on government.

We need to wean the people off of government slowly. Work our way up to self dependence. It took us a long time to get to where we are now and it may take just as long to kick government out of our lives.

I'm a realist though and know that'll never EVER happen. So in the meantime, we need to make best of what we have as individuals.
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I'm an Anarchist and believe that if people we're allowed to, they can self-govern but the problem is society is NOT capable of doing so at this point in history. People have been so dumbed down and have become too reliant on government.

We need to wean the people off of government slowly. Work our way up to self dependence. It took us a long time to get to where we are now and it may take just as long to kick government out of our lives.

I'm a realist though and know that'll never EVER happen. So in the meantime, we need to make best of what we have as individuals.
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Whatever you do, DON'T THINK OR TALK ABOUT SOLUTIONS!!



If you click on/watch the above video, your THREAT MATRIX SCORE WILL GO TO RED LIST LEVELS!!!!!!!

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Re: What if our belief in self-government is just a myth?
I'm an Anarchist and believe that if people we're allowed to, they can self-govern but the problem is society is NOT capable of doing so at this point in history. People have been so dumbed down and have become too reliant on government.

We need to wean the people off of government slowly. Work our way up to self dependence. It took us a long time to get to where we are now and it may take just as long to kick government out of our lives.

I'm a realist though and know that'll never EVER happen. So in the meantime, we need to make best of what we have as individuals.
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No matter what the TPTB decide dish out?
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WW1 was the start of the'destroying your constitutional rights' era.
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And Trump is a major monkey wrench.

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There are indications that in ancient times, even further back than we are allowed to know, because the records and evidence have been purposely destroyed, that a matriarchal society preceded the current patriarchal. There were indications it was a golden age, and people were not taught violence and fighting.

Then as men became the rulers overthrowing the matriarch, the wars and violence has been perpetual. Like or not, it seems like the Goddess is all throughout the Bible, as hard as they tried to dispel her, she is there in the gematria and elsewhere.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69904688


On one level I agree and on another I don't.

Women love it when men fight for them, or just fight in general. It's like a natural high for women.

I just don't see a woman-ruled society as peaceful.

I think violence is an inherent issue with the human animal.
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Boy you hang with the wrong kind of women......
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Thomas Paine said it best.

"It has been thought," he wrote in The Rights of Man in 1791, "…that government is a compact between those who govern and those who are governed; but this cannot be true, because it is putting the effect before the cause; for as man must have existed before governments existed, there necessarily was a time when governments did not exist, and consequently there could originally exist no governors to form such a compact with. The fact therefore must be, that the individuals themselves, each in his own personal and sovereign right, entered into a compact with each other to produce a government: and this is the only mode in which governments have a right to arise, and the only principle on which they have a right to exist."
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With all due respect to Judge Napolitano, but why the what if? The judge is close enough to the fire to recognise and point out most his what ifs as proven facts. Of course it is a fact that there is no such thing as self-government, especially in current times, where political color is not even the issue anymore.

We have grown into an x-factor society where we chose our candidates not on social backgrounds or belief, but on the one-liners that appeal to us most. We chose our leaders on non political correctnes in speeches. Not on actions, but on the spoken words in one on one interaction. It is only after the election that we seem to understand that one on one just does not exist when it comes to chosing our representatives. There will always be compromises, secret commitees, fifth colonnes, resistance from those who lost the elections and more and more important in the modern age, oligarchs, by wealth, inner circle ties, aristocrat background and such.

Donald Trump is the perfect example of this. A succesful businessman, with the ability to appeal to a large crowd of followers, a movement even, through his non political speeches. When it comes to making deals, there is no doubt in my mind he is one of the greats. But in other fields, health care, military, society issues etcetera, the weakness of the system shows. To the outside world it may be seen as a fault that you can blame on a person, like Trump, but actually it is how the system works with all the influences of those involved that I mentioned earlier.

That is why in a lot of fields of conflicting interests self government is a total myth indeed. Even though I distance myself from any authority that tries to influence the way I stand in life, the only centralized system that controls and mutes that influence is an autocracy, a dictatorship with all the dark sides attached to it. Turkey is a country that is well on his way to an autocracy after last Sunday's referendum. A system where people need to be affraid of having an opposite opinion. A system where complete populations are labelled as scapegoats. You are either in or you are out and if you are out, be affraid, because your existence is at risk.

Some might say we already live in a global autocracy under the umbrella of self government. But if that were the case, a site like GLP would not even exist and we would not even be allowed to speak our minds about those in power. That knowledge might give you some consolation, as limited as the importance of our opinion really is.

The bigger question is, what if we would not vote, but go from the way we stand in life ourselves, how we deal with eachother in the every day communities that we live in and that influence our lifes. What if we would go from proven skills, intellect and common sense of those that we work and live with every day, from proven qualities in ourselves, proven not by words, but by actions? Yes, there needs to be law and order, but do we really need great speechers who when push comes to shove can not deliver or tumble us into chaos and division?

Forget the failed concept of self-government and go from own strenght, drive and belief in those around you. Yes, there will be challenges, failures, tough choices, people that need help and those that have the urge to overpower others, but are those not the daily ingredients of life, of our society, that we encounter every day? We don't need someone in a fancy white house or government building to tell us how to deal with that, or do we? If we would focus a bit more on the areas we can control, influence and comprehend, in our own social circles, we would be in a much better shape as society as a whole.

You don't need any other authority than your own and the trust and belief in those around you to reach the goals you want to achieve in life. Think, send and receive.

Apologies for my two long cents, the curse of writing.

hf

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It is not a myth, it is fact and that fact is under attack right now in Europe, you can the damage and losses that come from lofty words binding the various peoples/victims, into such non-self goverment bondage.

Like the French and Le Pen, those people have a speech unique to them from long long ago.
Just the order of its composure was intentionally formed for them to them speaking into existence understanding among their exclusively own selves.
For me to hear them speak their language, is unto my ear, like short tongued speech, short range-core based volume, with a strike and drawl process to form a composure of those syllables, to bring out order from them unto others ears/reveal/convey, their thoughts/perspective, their stance/intentions and their depth of solidity unto what ever that thought pertains to.

It is onto them theirs for them and that to serve them and govern their ways and days of their lives.
To think that people in such large volume, will give their lives and selves over to something that they cannot ever reach or work with, while it devastates them and they just take it until it destroys them, is foolishness of the one untouchable abuser.

Only by using those and that which is outside those people would be usable to keep them incapacitated or destroyed.
That which is above and outside those, it perches on top of cannot keep its self where it is, when it becomes hostile damaging unto its own seat/perch.
It will be cast down and cut off from where it entered into if it continues as it is.

Who sees calamity coming and runs to embrace it?
Once it is seen as calamity it will be ran from not to.
It will be prevented.
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George Carlin was right all along. He was a dopey hippy, they said. Was talking out his ass, they said. Now he's probably somewhere out in the astral plane looking down on us with a sad face.
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We aren't self-governed. We are ruled and enslaved by greedy idiots.

Thus one reason I have chosen not to reproduce.
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as good a reason as any
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It's clear that we don't.

It's not a federal thing either, it's local.

Consider all of your shitty local ordinances and decisions like traffic cameras that give you automatic tickets...did I vote for those?

No I did not, nor would I.

Nor would anyone I know.

So who approved that shit?
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Same with property taxes. Who out there is voting for their property taxes to go up every year?

Same with police departments. Are you voting for mayors and city councils that allow thug police departments to go around shooting pet dogs?

I will say this about the traffic cameras: They put them up in Hawaii one time (on Oahu), and people went nuts. They actually threw a fit about it, and the cameras came down. Elected officials (all of them) are actually scared shitless of not being re-elected. If the sheep paid ANY attention at all to the boot on their necks and made some demands, it would all come to a screeching halt. But they don't, so it won't.
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Using more words to describe something simple has certainly fucked up the majority of humans at this point. I guess people who have no idea WTF they are thinking or trying to express believe that creating lofty sounding word groups that actually mean nothing make them smart.

To clarify.

There is no "belief" in self-government as if, like with religion, some omnipotent thing handed it down.

It has been a simple idea from the start, held by those that can think in slightly more complex terms than " I want.",. That is the realm of simple animals.

Humans, on the other hand ( well many ), have the ability to think with long-view and to understand that other humans are as they are.

I can understand without being told that fire is hot, and can self-govern myself from lying in it. I can also understand without being told that other humans very likely will experience the same discomfort lying in fire as I would.

Therefore, without any outside influence, I can conclude that placing other humans into fire is not an idea which is positive. Just the same as I can understand that if another human did it to me it would likewise be negative and harmful.

Cavemen figured this out. Now it takes really smart people like professors and theorists, and pundits, to completely deconstruct this most simple concept as if it were handed down for belief by some god..

We already know this stuff. What you would wish done to you and yours, do unto others. Not religion. Common sense.
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Thomas Paine said it best.

"It has been thought," he wrote in The Rights of Man in 1791, "…that government is a compact between those who govern and those who are governed; but this cannot be true, because it is putting the effect before the cause; for as man must have existed before governments existed, there necessarily was a time when governments did not exist, and consequently there could originally exist no governors to form such a compact with. The fact therefore must be, that the individuals themselves, each in his own personal and sovereign right, entered into a compact with each other to produce a government: and this is the only mode in which governments have a right to arise, and the only principle on which they have a right to exist."
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Dead old white guy had it pegged...

Compare to the present, where we are virtually property of the "State" (mandatory vaccines, home-schooling, etc.) where withdrawing consent for such is met with force.
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The question is also if in a society that is dominated by smartphones we are still smart enough of our own, or that we have become lazy and leave the thinking to apps and other technology.

All that can still add, substract and multiply without the use of a calculator or a notepad, please raise hands...
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Every government was taken over at the first stage around 1091 or a little later, for sure in 1913, and the wars that followed and the setting up of the EU and the illegal UN. World Government which has fallen on it face.

If you understand we have rules even under self government or you would have Chaos. The size of the Gov, is way oversized the military and Navy has always been important to this country, pardon me CIA, NSA and The FBI, you used to work for private banks not the gov, Pinkerton, you are not important to the founder, except for the federal reserve.

Except for a few spies and some president detail, and the Naval intelligence, the rest were not important.
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There are indications that in ancient times, even further back than we are allowed to know, because the records and evidence have been purposely destroyed, that a matriarchal society preceded the current patriarchal. There were indications it was a golden age, and people were not taught violence and fighting.

Then as men became the rulers overthrowing the matriarch, the wars and violence has been perpetual. Like or not, it seems like the Goddess is all throughout the Bible, as hard as they tried to dispel her, she is there in the gematria and elsewhere.
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True. Why is all the evidence being destroyed
today? That was Su-mare before. Home of the
Mare of Israel, Helena had a palace at Jerusa-
salem which was covered up with lazy muzzie
tiles & dome so you can't see what the first
(virgin) builders intended.

Also Mt Moriah was 'repurposed' to the Turkish
(slaver gangster) preference.

I do not worry because she will remove all
thieves from her city. Revelations is her
finale. Have faith.
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a myth?
with the right people, it can work.

clone me one billion times and give us a continent of our own and I guarantee you we will never form a government, army, police or patent office
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Very interesting, Anomalous material for main stream media. Thanks OP.
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The herd is too stupid to govern themselves.

However, giving them the false conception that they do, makes them easier to control by the true government.
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Napolitano is always right on these sort of 'questions'.

So was George Carlin.

There's only one club/party, folks..

..and you're not in it!
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self government is the only way to have peace......and maybe then we can stop killing each other because of whatever.......that's why it so important for the masses to wake up and UNITE and eliminate the government


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