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America's Vulnerability to a Different Nuclear Threat: An Electromagnetic Pulse

 
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In the 1980s, Americans feared neutron bombs that could kill everyone but leave buildings, roads, and cars intact. Today, Americans should fear a different kind of nuclear threat that can instantaneously destroy power grids, electronic systems, and communications along an entire coast but spare people.

This destruction would result from the split-second release of a high-energy electromagnetic pulse (EMP) after a nuclear bomb is detonated miles above the Earth and outside the atmosphere. Within a week of the blast, although no one would be instantly killed, the disruption of food and water supplies and health care caused by the shutdown of transportation, computers, networks, electronic equipment, and communication systems would have serious consequences for millions of people. 2 Recovering from such an attack could take years.

The U.S. military first witnessed this phenomenon after a series of high-altitude nuclear tests in the Johnston Atoll in 1962 generated a disruption in electronic equipment in Hawaii, nearly 1,000 miles away. According to reports, the EMP interrupted radio broadcasts, caused streetlights to malfunction and burglar alarms to sound, and resulted in electronic failures across the islands despite their great distance from the test site. 3

Little has been done to protect electrical systems from this threat beyond the nation's nuclear war-fighting infrastructure. The reason: During the Cold War, only the Soviet Union had the ability to mount an EMP attack against the United States, and if it had launched such an attack, the result would have been nuclear war. It made no sense to spend money to protect civil infrastructure from an electromagnetic pulse since little would be left standing after a nuclear bomb landed on U.S. soil.

Today, because of the spread of nuclear technology and ballistic missiles, the threat of a high-altitude EMP explosion over the United States or a battlefield is increasing. Indeed, America's reliance on advanced electronics makes its systems more vulnerable to such a blast than those of hostile states that might choose to use an EMP. Moreover, protecting all of America's civilian electronic infrastructure is fiscally not feasible. Because the most likely vehicles for delivering such a nuclear device above the atmosphere are ballistic missiles, the most prudent method of protecting America from EMP attacks would be a missile defense system that could destroy a ballistic missile before it reaches U.S. airspace.

Under what circumstances would an EMP attack on the United States be likely to occur? The possible scenarios range from one involving a rogue state's desire to demonstrate its potential ability to strike U.S. territory with a nuclear bomb to one in which such a state wants to give itself an advantage in a regional conflict by crippling U.S. military and allied forces, which are more dependent on advanced electronics and therefore more susceptible to an EMP attack.

Congress is well aware of the increasing threat. The Senate will have an opportunity to address the vulnerability of military and civilian systems to such an attack when it considers the fiscal year (FY) 2001 defense authorization bill (H.R. 4205) passed by the House on May 18. Representative Roscoe Barlett (R-MD) authored a provision of this bill (Title XIV) to establish a Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) Attack. This would be an important first step.

In addition, Congress should hold hearings to establish what missile defense system could intercept ballistic missiles armed with nuclear warheads that could be detonated above the atmosphere, and it should continue to press the Administration to proceed quickly toward the deployment of an effective national missile defense system.
UNDERSTANDING THE EMP THREAT

The scientific principles behind generating a high-altitude electromagnetic pulse are relatively easy to understand. A nuclear weapon is detonated between 25 miles and 300 miles above the Earth's surface; the radiation reaching the atmosphere interacts with air molecules to produce high-energy electrons that speed across the Earth's magnetic field as an instantaneous, invisible electromagnetic pulse. 4 A nuclear device must be detonated above the Earth's atmosphere in order to generate the high-altitude EMP effects.

An EMP can have devastating consequences for developed countries, because any metallic conductor in the area affected becomes a "receiver" for the powerful energy burst released by the blast. Such receivers include anything with electronic wiring--from airplanes and automobiles to computers, railroad tracks, and communication lines. If systems connected to these receivers are not protected, they will be damaged by the intense energy pulse. Indeed, depending on the strength of the pulse and the vulnerability of the equipment, the effects could range from interrupted phone conversations and radio interference to the melting of components in every type of electrical system.

An EMP damages unprotected electronic equipment within the blast's "line of sight." The size of the area in harm's way (the EMP's "footprint" on the Earth's surface) is determined by the altitude of the explosion. The higher the altitude, the greater the land area affected (see Map 1). A Scud-type ballistic missile launched from a vessel off the U.S. coast and detonated at an altitude of 95 miles would degrade electronic systems across one-fourth of the United States. A Taepo Dong-2 missile launched from North Korea probably could deliver a warhead 300 miles above America--enough to degrade electronic systems throughout the country. Crude weapons with low yields, like those used against Japan in World War II, would have ample power to cripple the United States.



Possible EMP Scenarios

Although the threat that an enemy would use a high-altitude EMP against America existed during the Cold War, the likelihood that this could happen may be greater today. 5 During the Cold War, an EMP attack was viewed as the first step in launching a nuclear war, but it was never tried because the threat of massive nuclear retaliation provided an effective deterrent. This principle holds true today for an attack by Russia or China on the United States.

In the post-Cold War years, the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction makes the threat more difficult to assess. More important, the traditional deterrent of retaliation does not apply. No rogue nation has the capacity to fight a general nuclear war with the United States; therefore, it is not likely that an EMP blast would be used as a precursor to full-scale war. And since an EMP blast is not likely to kill anyone directly or to be followed by a nuclear strike that would annihilate U.S. cities, the United States is less likely to retaliate and destroy an entire nation of innocent people as punishment for the decisions of a rogue leader. The motivation for a rogue state to use its limited nuclear arsenal in an EMP strike against the United States is simple: It maximizes the impact of its few warheads while minimizing the risk of retaliation.

This decrease in risk for rogue leaders could compel them to use EMP to offset overwhelming U.S. conventional power on the battlefield. An EMP blast would debilitate U.S. forces in a hot spot where they might be deployed and throughout a region of strategic interest, such as Northeast Asia or the Middle East. Because the United States has no policy on deterrence for a rogue state's use of high-altitude EMP, and because EMP attacks are less risky for those states, such attacks are far more likely to occur in this era of nuclear proliferation than they were at any time during the Cold War.

The national missile defense architecture planned by the Administration, with 100 ground-based interceptors stationed at one site in Alaska, may be unable to intercept a nuclear warhead before it detonates above U.S. territory, and it would have virtually no chance of intercepting such a missile above a theater of combat.

Consider these possible scenarios.

Scenario #1: A rogue-state leader decides to launch an EMP attack on the United States to improve the odds of winning a regional conflict. After obtaining an ICBM equipped with a nuclear warhead, Saddam Hussein decides to invade Kuwait again. 6 The United States is called upon to liberate its ally. A few weeks into the war, Saddam launches a ballistic missile armed with a nuclear warhead toward the United States. It is detonated 50 miles above a section of the American West. Although no people are harmed, there is a regional blackout. Saddam Hussein gloats, having leveled the playing field and weakened U.S. resolve by demonstrating his ability to deliver a nuclear weapon to U.S. soil. The President refuses to launch a counter nuclear attack out of fear that it would kill millions of innocent people.

Jack Spencer is Policy Analyst for Defense and National Security in the Kathryn and Shelby Cullom Davis Institute for International Studies at The Heritage Foundation.


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If you want to make sure you can play games on your computer after a nuclear strike you should have your computer wrapped in a "faraday cage". A Faraday cage is a grounded wire mesh that won't allow an EMP pulse to penetrate. Something to think about ...

You can buy wire mesh for this purpose here ...

[link to www.twpinc.com]


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A quick and dirty Faraday cage that I have in my basement is one those old style but new galvanized steel garbage cans. With the lid on, and ground wire ran to an electrical outlet, this should make a very good shield.

I keep 2 way radios, shortwave and broadcast band radios in it. Also handy to store bulk grains/cereals so that rodents can't get to them.

You can buy them at farm and ranch supply stores still....I don't think you'll find them at China Mart tho..

In the event of imminent threat, throw any important electronic gadgets in there such as NiMH battery chargers, GPS units, radios, laptops, etc. in it...
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For BOTH AC repliers to this thread ....

UNLESS you have your OWN generator AND a Faraday cage for it IN PLACE before the EMP, just WHEE do you think the electricity is coming from the 'run that computer' ???

THINK ! Peace.


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Also handy to store bulk grains/cereals so that rodents can't get to them.
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I think you are supposed to use a bit of the grain to tempt the rodents up close and 'capture' them just before they take the bait. That way you grain will last longer. (do not use a 12gague on a field mouse)
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A quick and dirty Faraday cage that I have in my basement is one those old style but new galvanized steel garbage cans. With the lid on, and ground wire ran to an electrical outlet, this should make a very good shield.

I keep 2 way radios, shortwave and broadcast band radios in it. Also handy to store bulk grains/cereals so that rodents can't get to them.

You can buy them at farm and ranch supply stores still....I don't think you'll find them at China Mart tho..

In the event of imminent threat, throw any important electronic gadgets in there such as NiMH battery chargers, GPS units, radios, laptops, etc. in it...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 189524


Good idea. That Tempest mesh is absurdly expensive. Probably because Tempest is/was a government requirement and government pork barrel contractors bought it.

To Eagle #1 I do have a bicycle powered generator and batteries and lots and lots of small rechargable battries for my many LED lights and lanterns. I think I will store as much as I can in the garbage can.

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Hey wake up sheep.

These weapons that were built at home, are now in the hands of Moloch worshiping, corrupted beyond words snakeman.

The real threat is when will TPTB decide to launch on the people, with what ever horrible device or toxins they pick.

You all better be ready for the next false flag op..
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this is a nonsensical thread. EMP has been a major issue for 30 years. Ever hear of EMP hardened sites? remember the 1983 film THE DAY AFTER? President Bush said in 1991 that the United States would not use a nuclear bomb to generate an EMP in Iraq!
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So long as there are crazy Satanists and Occultists and paranoid schizophrenics operating at the highest levels of "coverment" under the cloak of "classified secrecy," the danger of genocide and omnicide exists.

Too bad, they have rigged the legal systems of the world to make themselves untouchable, eh?

So, now what?

Who will go put a bell on the cat's tail for us?

God, maybe?

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For BOTH AC repliers to this thread ....

UNLESS you have your OWN generator AND a Faraday cage for it IN PLACE before the EMP, just WHEE do you think the electricity is coming from the 'run that computer' ???

THINK ! Peace.


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At least 2 routes....I have 3 15 watt solar panels that provide enough power to keep a marine battery charged up. The battery charger for the radios accepts both 12 volt DC and 110 volt AC, which is supplied by an inverter attached to the marine battery.

Also, I'm going out today and looking for a good portable generator.

Don't forget your vehicle, if you have one....There is source for 12 volt power as well. CB radios are cheap right now...I have one in my truck, and keep one those portable types, new in the box, inside the garbage can described above...
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This is not news.
Why did OP dig this up and how did it get pinned?
Trying to get the fear factor going?
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it's possible to make powerful EMPs without nuclear bombs. Very low-tech methods in fact.
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The first thing that came to mind, when I read that Iran can launch rockets into space thread, is can these rockets mount a E.M.P weapon? Knocking out some military satellites would sure help their cause if they came under attack.
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Some burglar alarms went off and some of the power grid went off in Hawaii in Starfish Prime which was a one megaton high altitude weapon. The threat is overblown and overhyped by Hollywood films like The Day After and the TV series Jericho. Having worked in the field a couple of years I realized it was primarily a make work project for greedy contractors who used scientists to frighten military generals that their entire force could be obliterated by a single high altitude detonation and that they should spend millions of dollars alayzing and "hardening" the equipment to EMP. EMP is really not much different than a big lightning strike only covering a larger area when you separate out the hype. As in a lightning strike the power lines would be the greatest danger - you might hear a little static on your TV or radio but that would be about it (FM radioof course - it could take out AM by ionizing the Heaviside layer). If the terrorist nations were going to use a nuke it would probably be on a European captial or DC rather than wasting it popping off an EMP nuke at high altitude. The big danger of a high altitude nuke detionation is the possibiity that it might take out the satellites as happened in the early tests. The nuke creates ionization which pumps up the Van Allen belts and fries the electronics of spacecraft over time - much like a solar flare. In the first high altitude tests in the southern hemisphere, an aurora was observed at the magnetic mirror image point in the northern hemisphere. The Van Allen belts decay over time after the ionization. Further, if the nuke is high enough or detonated in space the x-rays from the nuke take out satellites in line of site provided they are not too far away (the fireball in an atmospheric detonation is caused by the X-rays heating the air but in a space detonation there is no air so its like the sun - hopefully there will be some video of space nuclear dtonations called rainbow nukes in the video compilation of recently unclassified material to be released this August according to an ad in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists).

Another overhyped threat. The problem with using either nuclear or convential EMP weapons is that the lethality is unknown because it is dependent on the vulnerability of the target system which varies greatly and depends on the electronics and shielding and physical layout. If you are going to the bother of using a nuke like the asskicker W-88 warheads on the Trident 5 SLBMs, you might dedicate one to EMP just for the hell of it but your basic nuke lethality is just getting the warhead within the kill zone of the target which depending on the hardness of the target is usually not a problem except for deep underground bases and the like.

My opinion anyway - I'm a lot more concerned about the reported missing hoybees and climate although there again - the climate change reasoning may be just hype. Linda Howe claims she interviewed Teller about a conference where he proposed small metallic particles be dispersed in certain atmospheric layers to obscure the sunlight - if the maniacs have actually done this and the greenhouse gasses are not the cause but instead its oceanic warming like Robert Felix suggests then the ten foot snow storms may be a direct effect of such a strategy.
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Eagle #1 is correct folks. You can take all the precautions you want via building faraday cages, etc., however the primary risk is an EMP event taking down the nations power grid. An EMP pulse will propagate down power transmission lines, taking down electrical switching stations, transformers, and will likely spike your gear and kill it. Keep in mind America's electrical power transmission and distribution infrastructure is archiac and poorly maintained. One such event (even a significant solar event) and it goes bye bye.
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Eagle #1 is correct folks. You can take all the precautions you want via building faraday cages, etc., however the primary risk is an EMP event taking down the nations power grid. An EMP pulse will propagate down power transmission lines, taking down electrical switching stations, transformers, and will likely spike your gear and kill it. Keep in mind America's electrical power transmission and distribution infrastructure is archiac and poorly maintained. One such event (even a significant solar event) and it goes bye bye.
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Assume the power grid does go down. Would it not be much better to have some means to communicate, or at least listen to the outside world? To dismiss the small effort it takes to ensure some electronic functionality seems a bit irresponsible....

Sorry, I'd rather spend $15 bucks and have at least some functioning radios than not....geez!
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Oh, forgot....nice shotgun by the way!
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Eagle #1 is correct folks. You can take all the precautions you want via building faraday cages, etc., however the primary risk is an EMP event taking down the nations power grid. An EMP pulse will propagate down power transmission lines, taking down electrical switching stations, transformers, and will likely spike your gear and kill it. Keep in mind America's electrical power transmission and distribution infrastructure is archiac and poorly maintained. One such event (even a significant solar event) and it goes bye bye.


Assume the power grid does go down. Would it not be much better to have some means to communicate, or at least listen to the outside world? To dismiss the small effort it takes to ensure some electronic functionality seems a bit irresponsible....

Sorry, I'd rather spend $15 bucks and have at least some functioning radios than not....geez!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 189524


Bro I have taken some precautions, ie faraday cages, expensive surge protectors, battery powered shortwave radios, police scanners, etc. My point being the first concern is the power grid. It is the most vulnerable.
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A quick and dirty Faraday cage that I have in my basement is one those old style but new galvanized steel garbage cans. With the lid on, and ground wire ran to an electrical outlet, this should make a very good shield.

I keep 2 way radios, shortwave and broadcast band radios in it. Also handy to store bulk grains/cereals so that rodents can't get to them.

You can buy them at farm and ranch supply stores still....I don't think you'll find them at China Mart tho..

In the event of imminent threat, throw any important electronic gadgets in there such as NiMH battery chargers, GPS units, radios, laptops, etc. in it...
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Thanks to you and others for this data.
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*IF* this EMP threat is what was taught to me when I was in college, eons ago (like 15 years) there is really no protection for the actual P/N junctions. The real engineering challenge is to keep all the gadgets that use these, ( they all do ) from receiving this pulse.

If the Russians do it, you can forget about all of your radios, tv's, etc that are disconnected from outside lines...


If some turd world country does it, using only nuclear, not thermonuclear weapons, disconnecting the antenna might be enough.....We just don't know.

It is not my job to know, but it is my job to RESTORE comms for you people. I've done it for almost 18 years. I can tell you that a nearby lightning strike can produce multiple problems that event the very brightest among us must make educated guesses...



EMP???? All hell breaks loose as far as I'm concerned.....Don't worry tho, the components that are the most susceptible are made right there in China...


Sleep tight kids! Long live NAFTA and the SPP!
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Why do you think that you will live????
Every cell in your body dies, leaving your worthless scraps of furniture, jewelry and household belongs to the rats outside the cage. YOU ARE NOTHING.
Just think of a bunch of fat ass wobble butts storing everything that you used to own that no longer has any value. No one left to sell it to. Maybe they will sherd each other to bits in the end over who collected the most.
The planet will look like Mars, no slaves to torture and kill, they will die of lack of hobbies and interests.
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I voted this post amazing. I can't believe what kind of idiots you are. Read more about the Hermes,the result of ionioshpere heating - they do it so we have to do it two- about the average age group of these yoyos. Then read Bearden, or go to one of his videos. You little cage is just that.
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Eagle #1 is correct folks. You can take all the precautions you want via building faraday cages, etc., however the primary risk is an EMP event taking down the nations power grid. An EMP pulse will propagate down power transmission lines, taking down electrical switching stations, transformers, and will likely spike your gear and kill it. Keep in mind America's electrical power transmission and distribution infrastructure is archiac and poorly maintained. One such event (even a significant solar event) and it goes bye bye.
 Quoting: Omega


If it isn't plugged into the grid then the grid shouldn't hurt it.

Nothing important should be plugged in when you aren't using it. I have heard of people getting their brains fried talking on the phone when lightening strikes the phone lines. So it just isn't the grid it is any wires coming into your house.

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Yeah, I'm really sure it would disrupt only America. Give me a break. It would screw up alot more than just Americans.
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To do this you need to set off at least two 270 kiloton weapons about 900 miles apart 200 or more miles above the earths surface. The devices would have to be centered on the long dimension of the US.

There are really only two nations that have the capability along with maybe the desire to do this at this time.

However blowing off nuclear devices above the US would still be viewed as a nuclear attack by the US. Although the EMP would fry most non-protected electronics most of the important military defense systems are shielded for just this scenario. Retaliation would be swift and brutal (within the hour).

I think one of the problems with people that create articles such as these is they are not really knowledgable of what the US nuclear defense and offense systems consist of or what their capabilities are. The countries that have the capability to carry out such an attack DO KNOW the capabilities however and know that such an act would be suicide.

It isn't going to happen.
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To do this you need to set off at least two 270 kiloton weapons about 900 miles apart 200 or more miles above the earths surface. The devices would have to be centered on the long dimension of the US.

There are really only two nations that have the capability along with maybe the desire to do this at this time.

However blowing off nuclear devices above the US would still be viewed as a nuclear attack by the US. Although the EMP would fry most non-protected electronics most of the important military defense systems are shielded for just this scenario. Retaliation would be swift and brutal (within the hour).

I think one of the problems with people that create articles such as these is they are not really knowledgable of what the US nuclear defense and offense systems consist of or what their capabilities are. The countries that have the capability to carry out such an attack DO KNOW the capabilities however and know that such an act would be suicide.

It isn't going to happen.
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THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN... OR AN ATTEMPT TO DO THIS WILL BE UNDERTAKEN... RUSSIA/CHINA/IRAN ALL AGREE AND EMP ATTACK IS THE WAY TO TAKE DOWN THE USA AS WORLD LEADER...
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Yeah, I'm really sure it would disrupt only America. Give me a break. It would screw up alot more than just Americans.
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A bomb would have to detonate 300 miles in the air to cover
an area the size of the US with an emp pulse.

And most of the rest of the world is not addicted to electronics.
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THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN... OR AN ATTEMPT TO DO THIS WILL BE UNDERTAKEN... RUSSIA/CHINA/IRAN ALL AGREE AND EMP ATTACK IS THE WAY TO TAKE DOWN THE USA AS WORLD LEADER...
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Iran is the only one crazy enough to do it knowing their country would be destroyed as a result. They do not have the capability to do it at this time.

Or for some reason do you think the US wouldn't respond or couldn't respond? If you think that, like I said before you are certainly NOT AWARE of US capabilities.
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Why do you think that you will live????
Every cell in your body dies, leaving your worthless scraps of furniture, jewelry and household belongs to the rats outside the cage. YOU ARE NOTHING.
Just think of a bunch of fat ass wobble butts storing everything that you used to own that no longer has any value. No one left to sell it to. Maybe they will sherd each other to bits in the end over who collected the most.
The planet will look like Mars, no slaves to torture and kill, they will die of lack of hobbies and interests.
LONG LIVE THE KING, THE KING IS DEAD
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George, the axe and the cherry tree
By Chris Shaw
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Oil energy (gasoline and diesel) can be likened to the fruit of a cherry tree that bears but once in our tiny lifetimes.

Imagine such a tree laden down with fruit, springing from the rocks of this planet. The tree is the history of all living things. The cherries contain a little of the energy gathered from the sun over billions of years.

Although they are crammed with concentrated “goodness”, those cherries are finite in number. They represent only a little of the sunlight that ancient creatures garnered for themselves. They retain only a fraction of the immense geological energy that went into their final creation.

None of this mattered to the ancient tree as it dreamed in the warmth of the sun. It thought it had all the time in the world.

One day, some chimps discovered the first low-hanging fruit. Some cherries hung so low that the crude could be seen bubbling from the ground. Casting around, the chimps discovered that by standing upon a few cherries, many, many more could be reached. In the good ol’ days it was possible to gather a hundred cherries merely by standing on ONE.

It wasn’t long before everyone was eating cherries. Those chimps were well and truly hooked.

No-one noticed that it was the cherries themselves that were the ONLY possible means of reaching the rest. It was the fat chimps who saw the problem first. They had plenty of time to observe and think about it, having long ago given up the unpleasant task of gathering their own cherries.

Pretty soon, so much fruit was being used for platform duty, cherries for eating were starting to be in short supply. The fat chimps decided to keep their discovery to themselves until they had figured out a plan for their personal survival.

Fortunately for them, a natural leader emerged. George, Chimp of Chimps. Being relieved of the tedium of critical thinking, his cherry-soaked mind cut straight through the bull, to the heart of the matter. Fingering His axe, he said what everyone feared in their hearts....

“It will be necessary to cut down the Tree of Life itself in order to consume the last of it’s fruit”.

The rest, as they say, will be history.
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Re: America's Vulnerability to a Different Nuclear Threat: An Electromagnetic Pulse
If you really want to faint, I looked up something about ionic atmospheric heating and came to this site.
They hit it dead on in Jan. [link to www.freeze.co.nz]
Then take a good look at the news at the left of the main forum for the test that they said did not happen.