America's Vulnerability to a Different Nuclear Threat: An Electromagnetic Pulse | |
Tesla Technologist User ID: 115 United States 02/25/2007 11:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you want to make sure you can play games on your computer after a nuclear strike you should have your computer wrapped in a "faraday cage". A Faraday cage is a grounded wire mesh that won't allow an EMP pulse to penetrate. Something to think about ... You can buy wire mesh for this purpose here ... [link to www.twpinc.com] . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 189524 United States 02/25/2007 11:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A quick and dirty Faraday cage that I have in my basement is one those old style but new galvanized steel garbage cans. With the lid on, and ground wire ran to an electrical outlet, this should make a very good shield. I keep 2 way radios, shortwave and broadcast band radios in it. Also handy to store bulk grains/cereals so that rodents can't get to them. You can buy them at farm and ranch supply stores still....I don't think you'll find them at China Mart tho.. In the event of imminent threat, throw any important electronic gadgets in there such as NiMH battery chargers, GPS units, radios, laptops, etc. in it... |
Eagle # 1 User ID: 195537 United States 02/25/2007 12:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For BOTH AC repliers to this thread .... UNLESS you have your OWN generator AND a Faraday cage for it IN PLACE before the EMP, just WHEE do you think the electricity is coming from the 'run that computer' ??? THINK ! Peace. Eagle |
MHz User ID: 117556 Canada 02/25/2007 12:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Also handy to store bulk grains/cereals so that rodents can't get to them. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 189524I think you are supposed to use a bit of the grain to tempt the rodents up close and 'capture' them just before they take the bait. That way you grain will last longer. (do not use a 12gague on a field mouse) |
Tesla Technologist User ID: 115 United States 02/25/2007 12:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A quick and dirty Faraday cage that I have in my basement is one those old style but new galvanized steel garbage cans. With the lid on, and ground wire ran to an electrical outlet, this should make a very good shield. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 189524I keep 2 way radios, shortwave and broadcast band radios in it. Also handy to store bulk grains/cereals so that rodents can't get to them. You can buy them at farm and ranch supply stores still....I don't think you'll find them at China Mart tho.. In the event of imminent threat, throw any important electronic gadgets in there such as NiMH battery chargers, GPS units, radios, laptops, etc. in it... Good idea. That Tempest mesh is absurdly expensive. Probably because Tempest is/was a government requirement and government pork barrel contractors bought it. To Eagle #1 I do have a bicycle powered generator and batteries and lots and lots of small rechargable battries for my many LED lights and lanterns. I think I will store as much as I can in the garbage can. . |
Come on, sheeple User ID: 143826 United States 02/25/2007 12:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey wake up sheep. These weapons that were built at home, are now in the hands of Moloch worshiping, corrupted beyond words snakeman. The real threat is when will TPTB decide to launch on the people, with what ever horrible device or toxins they pick. You all better be ready for the next false flag op.. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 160332 United States 02/25/2007 12:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this is a nonsensical thread. EMP has been a major issue for 30 years. Ever hear of EMP hardened sites? remember the 1983 film THE DAY AFTER? President Bush said in 1991 that the United States would not use a nuclear bomb to generate an EMP in Iraq! |
Shechaiyah User ID: 182943 United States 02/25/2007 12:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So long as there are crazy Satanists and Occultists and paranoid schizophrenics operating at the highest levels of "coverment" under the cloak of "classified secrecy," the danger of genocide and omnicide exists. Too bad, they have rigged the legal systems of the world to make themselves untouchable, eh? So, now what? Who will go put a bell on the cat's tail for us? God, maybe? Chai |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 189524 United States 02/25/2007 01:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For BOTH AC repliers to this thread .... Quoting: Eagle # 1 195537UNLESS you have your OWN generator AND a Faraday cage for it IN PLACE before the EMP, just WHEE do you think the electricity is coming from the 'run that computer' ??? THINK ! Peace. Eagle At least 2 routes....I have 3 15 watt solar panels that provide enough power to keep a marine battery charged up. The battery charger for the radios accepts both 12 volt DC and 110 volt AC, which is supplied by an inverter attached to the marine battery. Also, I'm going out today and looking for a good portable generator. Don't forget your vehicle, if you have one....There is source for 12 volt power as well. CB radios are cheap right now...I have one in my truck, and keep one those portable types, new in the box, inside the garbage can described above... |
SolarMax User ID: 137430 United States 02/25/2007 02:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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Matrix User ID: 198175 Australia 02/25/2007 03:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The first thing that came to mind, when I read that Iran can launch rockets into space thread, is can these rockets mount a E.M.P weapon? Knocking out some military satellites would sure help their cause if they came under attack. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 169771 United States 02/25/2007 05:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some burglar alarms went off and some of the power grid went off in Hawaii in Starfish Prime which was a one megaton high altitude weapon. The threat is overblown and overhyped by Hollywood films like The Day After and the TV series Jericho. Having worked in the field a couple of years I realized it was primarily a make work project for greedy contractors who used scientists to frighten military generals that their entire force could be obliterated by a single high altitude detonation and that they should spend millions of dollars alayzing and "hardening" the equipment to EMP. EMP is really not much different than a big lightning strike only covering a larger area when you separate out the hype. As in a lightning strike the power lines would be the greatest danger - you might hear a little static on your TV or radio but that would be about it (FM radioof course - it could take out AM by ionizing the Heaviside layer). If the terrorist nations were going to use a nuke it would probably be on a European captial or DC rather than wasting it popping off an EMP nuke at high altitude. The big danger of a high altitude nuke detionation is the possibiity that it might take out the satellites as happened in the early tests. The nuke creates ionization which pumps up the Van Allen belts and fries the electronics of spacecraft over time - much like a solar flare. In the first high altitude tests in the southern hemisphere, an aurora was observed at the magnetic mirror image point in the northern hemisphere. The Van Allen belts decay over time after the ionization. Further, if the nuke is high enough or detonated in space the x-rays from the nuke take out satellites in line of site provided they are not too far away (the fireball in an atmospheric detonation is caused by the X-rays heating the air but in a space detonation there is no air so its like the sun - hopefully there will be some video of space nuclear dtonations called rainbow nukes in the video compilation of recently unclassified material to be released this August according to an ad in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists). Another overhyped threat. The problem with using either nuclear or convential EMP weapons is that the lethality is unknown because it is dependent on the vulnerability of the target system which varies greatly and depends on the electronics and shielding and physical layout. If you are going to the bother of using a nuke like the asskicker W-88 warheads on the Trident 5 SLBMs, you might dedicate one to EMP just for the hell of it but your basic nuke lethality is just getting the warhead within the kill zone of the target which depending on the hardness of the target is usually not a problem except for deep underground bases and the like. My opinion anyway - I'm a lot more concerned about the reported missing hoybees and climate although there again - the climate change reasoning may be just hype. Linda Howe claims she interviewed Teller about a conference where he proposed small metallic particles be dispersed in certain atmospheric layers to obscure the sunlight - if the maniacs have actually done this and the greenhouse gasses are not the cause but instead its oceanic warming like Robert Felix suggests then the ten foot snow storms may be a direct effect of such a strategy. |
Omega User ID: 3641 United States 02/25/2007 05:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Eagle #1 is correct folks. You can take all the precautions you want via building faraday cages, etc., however the primary risk is an EMP event taking down the nations power grid. An EMP pulse will propagate down power transmission lines, taking down electrical switching stations, transformers, and will likely spike your gear and kill it. Keep in mind America's electrical power transmission and distribution infrastructure is archiac and poorly maintained. One such event (even a significant solar event) and it goes bye bye. Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science. _____________________________________ Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner. Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide. Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 189524 United States 02/25/2007 05:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Eagle #1 is correct folks. You can take all the precautions you want via building faraday cages, etc., however the primary risk is an EMP event taking down the nations power grid. An EMP pulse will propagate down power transmission lines, taking down electrical switching stations, transformers, and will likely spike your gear and kill it. Keep in mind America's electrical power transmission and distribution infrastructure is archiac and poorly maintained. One such event (even a significant solar event) and it goes bye bye. Quoting: OmegaAssume the power grid does go down. Would it not be much better to have some means to communicate, or at least listen to the outside world? To dismiss the small effort it takes to ensure some electronic functionality seems a bit irresponsible.... Sorry, I'd rather spend $15 bucks and have at least some functioning radios than not....geez! |
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Omega User ID: 3641 United States 02/25/2007 05:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Eagle #1 is correct folks. You can take all the precautions you want via building faraday cages, etc., however the primary risk is an EMP event taking down the nations power grid. An EMP pulse will propagate down power transmission lines, taking down electrical switching stations, transformers, and will likely spike your gear and kill it. Keep in mind America's electrical power transmission and distribution infrastructure is archiac and poorly maintained. One such event (even a significant solar event) and it goes bye bye. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 189524Assume the power grid does go down. Would it not be much better to have some means to communicate, or at least listen to the outside world? To dismiss the small effort it takes to ensure some electronic functionality seems a bit irresponsible.... Sorry, I'd rather spend $15 bucks and have at least some functioning radios than not....geez! Bro I have taken some precautions, ie faraday cages, expensive surge protectors, battery powered shortwave radios, police scanners, etc. My point being the first concern is the power grid. It is the most vulnerable. Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science. _____________________________________ Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner. Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide. Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
planetbarb User ID: 200648 United States 02/25/2007 07:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A quick and dirty Faraday cage that I have in my basement is one those old style but new galvanized steel garbage cans. With the lid on, and ground wire ran to an electrical outlet, this should make a very good shield. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 189524I keep 2 way radios, shortwave and broadcast band radios in it. Also handy to store bulk grains/cereals so that rodents can't get to them. You can buy them at farm and ranch supply stores still....I don't think you'll find them at China Mart tho.. In the event of imminent threat, throw any important electronic gadgets in there such as NiMH battery chargers, GPS units, radios, laptops, etc. in it... Thanks to you and others for this data. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 189524 United States 02/25/2007 07:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | *IF* this EMP threat is what was taught to me when I was in college, eons ago (like 15 years) there is really no protection for the actual P/N junctions. The real engineering challenge is to keep all the gadgets that use these, ( they all do ) from receiving this pulse. If the Russians do it, you can forget about all of your radios, tv's, etc that are disconnected from outside lines... If some turd world country does it, using only nuclear, not thermonuclear weapons, disconnecting the antenna might be enough.....We just don't know. It is not my job to know, but it is my job to RESTORE comms for you people. I've done it for almost 18 years. I can tell you that a nearby lightning strike can produce multiple problems that event the very brightest among us must make educated guesses... EMP???? All hell breaks loose as far as I'm concerned.....Don't worry tho, the components that are the most susceptible are made right there in China... Sleep tight kids! Long live NAFTA and the SPP! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 181188 United States 02/25/2007 08:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Every cell in your body dies, leaving your worthless scraps of furniture, jewelry and household belongs to the rats outside the cage. YOU ARE NOTHING. Just think of a bunch of fat ass wobble butts storing everything that you used to own that no longer has any value. No one left to sell it to. Maybe they will sherd each other to bits in the end over who collected the most. The planet will look like Mars, no slaves to torture and kill, they will die of lack of hobbies and interests. LONG LIVE THE KING, THE KING IS DEAD |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 181188 United States 02/25/2007 08:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I voted this post amazing. I can't believe what kind of idiots you are. Read more about the Hermes,the result of ionioshpere heating - they do it so we have to do it two- about the average age group of these yoyos. Then read Bearden, or go to one of his videos. You little cage is just that. |
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Tesla Technot User ID: 115 United States 02/25/2007 08:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Eagle #1 is correct folks. You can take all the precautions you want via building faraday cages, etc., however the primary risk is an EMP event taking down the nations power grid. An EMP pulse will propagate down power transmission lines, taking down electrical switching stations, transformers, and will likely spike your gear and kill it. Keep in mind America's electrical power transmission and distribution infrastructure is archiac and poorly maintained. One such event (even a significant solar event) and it goes bye bye. Quoting: OmegaIf it isn't plugged into the grid then the grid shouldn't hurt it. Nothing important should be plugged in when you aren't using it. I have heard of people getting their brains fried talking on the phone when lightening strikes the phone lines. So it just isn't the grid it is any wires coming into your house. . |
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Artist FKA HiRisque User ID: 201063 United States 02/25/2007 08:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are really only two nations that have the capability along with maybe the desire to do this at this time. However blowing off nuclear devices above the US would still be viewed as a nuclear attack by the US. Although the EMP would fry most non-protected electronics most of the important military defense systems are shielded for just this scenario. Retaliation would be swift and brutal (within the hour). I think one of the problems with people that create articles such as these is they are not really knowledgable of what the US nuclear defense and offense systems consist of or what their capabilities are. The countries that have the capability to carry out such an attack DO KNOW the capabilities however and know that such an act would be suicide. It isn't going to happen. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 201067 United States 02/25/2007 08:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To do this you need to set off at least two 270 kiloton weapons about 900 miles apart 200 or more miles above the earths surface. The devices would have to be centered on the long dimension of the US. Quoting: Artist FKA HiRisqueThere are really only two nations that have the capability along with maybe the desire to do this at this time. However blowing off nuclear devices above the US would still be viewed as a nuclear attack by the US. Although the EMP would fry most non-protected electronics most of the important military defense systems are shielded for just this scenario. Retaliation would be swift and brutal (within the hour). I think one of the problems with people that create articles such as these is they are not really knowledgable of what the US nuclear defense and offense systems consist of or what their capabilities are. The countries that have the capability to carry out such an attack DO KNOW the capabilities however and know that such an act would be suicide. It isn't going to happen. THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN... OR AN ATTEMPT TO DO THIS WILL BE UNDERTAKEN... RUSSIA/CHINA/IRAN ALL AGREE AND EMP ATTACK IS THE WAY TO TAKE DOWN THE USA AS WORLD LEADER... |
bbb User ID: 174138 United States 02/25/2007 09:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah, I'm really sure it would disrupt only America. Give me a break. It would screw up alot more than just Americans. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 201062A bomb would have to detonate 300 miles in the air to cover an area the size of the US with an emp pulse. And most of the rest of the world is not addicted to electronics. |
Artist FKA HiRisque User ID: 201063 United States 02/25/2007 09:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN... OR AN ATTEMPT TO DO THIS WILL BE UNDERTAKEN... RUSSIA/CHINA/IRAN ALL AGREE AND EMP ATTACK IS THE WAY TO TAKE DOWN THE USA AS WORLD LEADER... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 201067Iran is the only one crazy enough to do it knowing their country would be destroyed as a result. They do not have the capability to do it at this time. Or for some reason do you think the US wouldn't respond or couldn't respond? If you think that, like I said before you are certainly NOT AWARE of US capabilities. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 181188 United States 02/25/2007 09:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why do you think that you will live???? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 181188Every cell in your body dies, leaving your worthless scraps of furniture, jewelry and household belongs to the rats outside the cage. YOU ARE NOTHING. Just think of a bunch of fat ass wobble butts storing everything that you used to own that no longer has any value. No one left to sell it to. Maybe they will sherd each other to bits in the end over who collected the most. The planet will look like Mars, no slaves to torture and kill, they will die of lack of hobbies and interests. LONG LIVE THE KING, THE KING IS DEAD George, the axe and the cherry tree By Chris Shaw Feral Metallurgist Oil energy (gasoline and diesel) can be likened to the fruit of a cherry tree that bears but once in our tiny lifetimes. Imagine such a tree laden down with fruit, springing from the rocks of this planet. The tree is the history of all living things. The cherries contain a little of the energy gathered from the sun over billions of years. Although they are crammed with concentrated “goodness”, those cherries are finite in number. They represent only a little of the sunlight that ancient creatures garnered for themselves. They retain only a fraction of the immense geological energy that went into their final creation. None of this mattered to the ancient tree as it dreamed in the warmth of the sun. It thought it had all the time in the world. One day, some chimps discovered the first low-hanging fruit. Some cherries hung so low that the crude could be seen bubbling from the ground. Casting around, the chimps discovered that by standing upon a few cherries, many, many more could be reached. In the good ol’ days it was possible to gather a hundred cherries merely by standing on ONE. It wasn’t long before everyone was eating cherries. Those chimps were well and truly hooked. No-one noticed that it was the cherries themselves that were the ONLY possible means of reaching the rest. It was the fat chimps who saw the problem first. They had plenty of time to observe and think about it, having long ago given up the unpleasant task of gathering their own cherries. Pretty soon, so much fruit was being used for platform duty, cherries for eating were starting to be in short supply. The fat chimps decided to keep their discovery to themselves until they had figured out a plan for their personal survival. Fortunately for them, a natural leader emerged. George, Chimp of Chimps. Being relieved of the tedium of critical thinking, his cherry-soaked mind cut straight through the bull, to the heart of the matter. Fingering His axe, he said what everyone feared in their hearts.... “It will be necessary to cut down the Tree of Life itself in order to consume the last of it’s fruit”. The rest, as they say, will be history. [link to tasmaniantimes.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 181188 United States 02/25/2007 09:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you really want to faint, I looked up something about ionic atmospheric heating and came to this site. They hit it dead on in Jan. [link to www.freeze.co.nz] Then take a good look at the news at the left of the main forum for the test that they said did not happen. |