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WP:

First, so glad you've joined us and are sharing your experience.

Thank you!

I've wondered too why,with all the high tech foy-foi they have, why use the old school methods? Is it just for show: a Kabuki theatre of sorts for the masses?

Or is it because they figure that in modern warfare, the high tech ways will likely go bye bye and it's good to keep up to speed on the old ways just in case?
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WP:

First, so glad you've joined us and are sharing your experience.

Thank you!

I've wondered too why,with all the high tech foy-foi they have, why use the old school methods? Is it just for show: a Kabuki theatre of sorts for the masses?

Or is it because they figure that in modern warfare, the high tech ways will likely go bye bye and it's good to keep up to speed on the old ways just in case?
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Redundancy and diversity. All critical infrastructure is designed to meet both criteria.
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Allow me to share my point of view.

I was about 13 (that was 60 years ago) when I started listening to this mysterious shortwave radio. One of my early surprises was this German numbers station, where a lady was reading letters & numbers on about 3.8MHz on a nightly routine. I was told that this is how secret messages were passed.

I lived quite close to this secret INTERPOL shortwave station and went to scout & see. However, an abundance of trees and shrubs in all sizes blocked any view of antennas. Of course the tall fence surrounding it didn't help either. Shortwave was big in those days.
And my curiosity was roused when I first heard the US military phrase "do not answer - message follows".

Those were the days that shortwave was the ultimate solution for long distance communication, since computers, digital communication, the internet and satellites had not been invented yet.
How things have changed.

The following is my point of view. Granted, opinions are like butts, we all have one. No big deal, unless you're one of the Kardashians.

Many years ago, I started listening to the military on their VHF (250MHz) and L-Band (1.6GHz) satellites. Those were the days that the communication was analog, rather than digital. Even small planes now-a-days have two way L-Band satellite communication for GPS and squawker communication.

This (in my opinion) has made shortwave communication irrelevant. It is unreliable due to solar activity, even well known shortwave broadcasters like RNi have abandoned shortwave and switched to satellite.
And anyone with a $50 radio or internet access can overhear your shortwave conversation. You don't think the Chinese can hear this ?

So why is all this time, effort and money spend on maintaining the 8992KHz et al system when simple low cost satellite systems are so much faster and more reliable, allowing for the though-put of large chunks of information.?

If I were a betting person, my money would be on deception.
"All Warfare Is Based Upon Deception"
Sun Tzu

Are we being tricked ?

Is this all deceit ?

Until I know the answer, I'll keep listening and reading these posts......
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Fascinating post! You raise a lot of good points. I don't want to derail the thread, but would love to hear more of your experiences sometime.

A few ideas off the top of my head and totally unfounded. Just guesses.

1. Simplicity works. Being in IT for almost 30 years, I see both sides of that technology gap. We can spend millions to fix a problem that does not really have to be solved to be more current technology wise, or stick with tride and true proven. It's why mainframes are still around in mass! I think people may be surprised how much big iron is still out there. The infrastructure change to use sat and prove it, would potentially be a huge undertaking.

2. If things ever do go down, it has to have some chance to work. Sat is susceptible to solar activity as well. Or a high altitude EMP and we are for sure done. Maybe the risk is less with what we think is still used today.

I don't know. Interesting conversation.

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WP:

First, so glad you've joined us and are sharing your experience.

Thank you!

I've wondered too why,with all the high tech foy-foi they have, why use the old school methods? Is it just for show: a Kabuki theatre of sorts for the masses?

Or is it because they figure that in modern warfare, the high tech ways will likely go bye bye and it's good to keep up to speed on the old ways just in case?
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I think you nailed it.
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Allow me to share my point of view.

I was about 13 (that was 60 years ago) when I started listening to this mysterious shortwave radio. One of my early surprises was this German numbers station, where a lady was reading letters & numbers on about 3.8MHz on a nightly routine. I was told that this is how secret messages were passed.

I lived quite close to this secret INTERPOL shortwave station and went to scout & see. However, an abundance of trees and shrubs in all sizes blocked any view of antennas. Of course the tall fence surrounding it didn't help either. Shortwave was big in those days.
And my curiosity was roused when I first heard the US military phrase "do not answer - message follows".

Those were the days that shortwave was the ultimate solution for long distance communication, since computers, digital communication, the internet and satellites had not been invented yet.
How things have changed.

The following is my point of view. Granted, opinions are like butts, we all have one. No big deal, unless you're one of the Kardashians.

Many years ago, I started listening to the military on their VHF (250MHz) and L-Band (1.6GHz) satellites. Those were the days that the communication was analog, rather than digital. Even small planes now-a-days have two way L-Band satellite communication for GPS and squawker communication.

This (in my opinion) has made shortwave communication irrelevant. It is unreliable due to solar activity, even well known shortwave broadcasters like RNi have abandoned shortwave and switched to satellite.
And anyone with a $50 radio or internet access can overhear your shortwave conversation. You don't think the Chinese can hear this ?

So why is all this time, effort and money spend on maintaining the 8992KHz et al system when simple low cost satellite systems are so much faster and more reliable, allowing for the though-put of large chunks of information.?

If I were a betting person, my money would be on deception.
"All Warfare Is Based Upon Deception"
Sun Tzu

Are we being tricked ?

Is this all deceit ?

Until I know the answer, I'll keep listening and reading these posts......
 Quoting: Whirled Peas

The Answer:

What we are listening too is a back up redundancy communication system that exists in all US Military command and communication structures. This old low tech method is used in conjunction with more modern encryption methods.

Daz it..

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Explain it to me like I'm a five year old....please
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OK..

First ..The site is a tune-able receiver in certain bands, thus understood you can listen in on any frequency covered. I just so happens it covers LARGE portions of Military radio traffic and Regular, tests and urgent.

I have noted the unusual activity that can only be compared with a seasoned users expertise. If you go there now you will only see one side of the story, what was there is not there now..It's different.

:gfhfhgfh:
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interesting site OP

Does this include the UK or is it just US or worldwide?
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Explain it to me like I'm a five year old....please
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OK..

First ..The site is a tune-able receiver in certain bands, thus understood you can listen in on any frequency covered. I just so happens it covers LARGE portions of Military radio traffic and Regular, tests and urgent.

I have noted the unusual activity that can only be compared with a seasoned users expertise. If you go there now you will only see one side of the story, what was there is not there now..It's different.

gfhfhgfh
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interesting site OP

Does this include the UK or is it just US or worldwide?
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Just plug in the below frequecies. If the radio accepts the frequency you are in biz..
[link to www.panix.com]
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Explain it to me like I'm a five year old....please
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OK..

First ..The site is a tune-able receiver in certain bands, thus understood you can listen in on any frequency covered. I just so happens it covers LARGE portions of Military radio traffic and Regular, tests and urgent.

I have noted the unusual activity that can only be compared with a seasoned users expertise. If you go there now you will only see one side of the story, what was there is not there now..It's different.

gfhfhgfh
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interesting site OP

Does this include the UK or is it just US or worldwide?
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Not OP, but we track just about everything.. primarily focus on US operations, but if it is any military - we definitely want to know about it! :)
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Does this include the UK or is it just US or worldwide?


Please correct me if I'm wrong.
The messages are simulcasted on various frequencies as well as in different parts of the world. This is done to get worldwide coverage plus to combat the day & night conditions that affect the time of day. The higher frequencies work best during the day while the lower frequencies usually work well at night.

However, it is common during the day that I can hear the same message on about half a dozen different frequencies.
NOTE: I have them programmed in my radio and can quickly change them.

Now here is what puzzles me, although all these transmitters are interconnected, they are identical.
This means that they must be fed via fiber optics, otherwise you would hear time delays.
In simple terms, if one base transmitter is located in the US and another one in Europe and they would be connected by satellite, you would hear a distinct time delay of slightly more than a second. Yet if I listen to my shortwave radio AND the dutch SDR receiver which is half way around the world from me, there is no such delay. The delay would sound like an echo.

Plus they have to be exactly on the same frequency, an error of as little as 10 Hertz would be noticeable.

Altogether, it is quite a technical feat that would work well, if it weren't for those pesky solar flares.

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For daily mystery, monitor: 8,992, 11,175, 13,200 or 15,016 KHz
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To all above...redundancy and contingency.

The commo is so vital all available means of transmission is used to ensure transmission/reception.

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Explain it to me like I'm a five year old....please
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OK..

First ..The site is a tune-able receiver in certain bands, thus understood you can listen in on any frequency covered. I just so happens it covers LARGE portions of Military radio traffic and Regular, tests and urgent.

I have noted the unusual activity that can only be compared with a seasoned users expertise. If you go there now you will only see one side of the story, what was there is not there now..It's different.

gfhfhgfh
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interesting site OP

Does this include the UK or is it just US or worldwide?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75052675

Just plug in the below frequecies. If the radio accepts the frequency you are in biz..
[link to www.panix.com]
gfhfhgfh
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That frequency list is awesome.
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For as much chitter chatter there is out there in various places, sure is quiet. Good night peoples.

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Odd to see the only military craft showing up over CONUS tonight is an E-6B Mercury.
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RC-135W RONIN11 up over Japan.
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Just wondering.....

It is well known that the UK (Bletchley Park) and the US were able to read the German "enigma" machines during WW2.

Do you feel that the Chinese (or NK for that matter) can "read" the 8992 gibberish ?

I still feel that until truly needed, that 8992 et al might be a red herring.


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Just wondering.....

It is well known that the UK (Bletchley Park) and the US were able to read the German "enigma" machines during WW2.

Do you feel that the Chinese (or NK for that matter) can "read" the 8992 gibberish ?

I still feel that until truly needed, that 8992 et al might be a red herring.


\
 Quoting: Whirled Peas


I don't think that the EAM codes are decipherable in the same manner as the german communications. I suspect that there are books for which, the correct code matches a particular message, in effect they are not transmitting the message itself, but a reference to the message.
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Does this include the UK or is it just US or worldwide?


Please correct me if I'm wrong.
The messages are simulcasted on various frequencies as well as in different parts of the world. This is done to get worldwide coverage plus to combat the day & night conditions that affect the time of day. The higher frequencies work best during the day while the lower frequencies usually work well at night.

However, it is common during the day that I can hear the same message on about half a dozen different frequencies.
NOTE: I have them programmed in my radio and can quickly change them.

Now here is what puzzles me, although all these transmitters are interconnected, they are identical.
This means that they must be fed via fiber optics, otherwise you would hear time delays.
In simple terms, if one base transmitter is located in the US and another one in Europe and they would be connected by satellite, you would hear a distinct time delay of slightly more than a second. Yet if I listen to my shortwave radio AND the dutch SDR receiver which is half way around the world from me, there is no such delay. The delay would sound like an echo.

Plus they have to be exactly on the same frequency, an error of as little as 10 Hertz would be noticeable.



Altogether, it is quite a technical feat that would work well, if it weren't for those pesky solar flares.
 Quoting: Whirled Peas



The fact that there is no delay between your radio and the dutch sdr is really intriguing. I would have assumed there would be a delay... hmm and you are right, there is no way for them to be perfectly synchronous unless there is a fiber backbone linking them. I am going to ponder on this for awhile...

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Just wondering.....

It is well known that the UK (Bletchley Park) and the US were able to read the German "enigma" machines during WW2.

Do you feel that the Chinese (or NK for that matter) can "read" the 8992 gibberish ?

I still feel that until truly needed, that 8992 et al might be a red herring.


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I don't think that the EAM codes are decipherable in the same manner as the german communications. I suspect that there are books for which, the correct code matches a particular message, in effect they are not transmitting the message itself, but a reference to the message.
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But why make it even that easy and broadcast it unencrypted? That's why I think that it might be unimportant communications.
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Does this include the UK or is it just US or worldwide?


Please correct me if I'm wrong.
The messages are simulcasted on various frequencies as well as in different parts of the world. This is done to get worldwide coverage plus to combat the day & night conditions that affect the time of day. The higher frequencies work best during the day while the lower frequencies usually work well at night.

However, it is common during the day that I can hear the same message on about half a dozen different frequencies.
NOTE: I have them programmed in my radio and can quickly change them.

Now here is what puzzles me, although all these transmitters are interconnected, they are identical.
This means that they must be fed via fiber optics, otherwise you would hear time delays.
In simple terms, if one base transmitter is located in the US and another one in Europe and they would be connected by satellite, you would hear a distinct time delay of slightly more than a second. Yet if I listen to my shortwave radio AND the dutch SDR receiver which is half way around the world from me, there is no such delay. The delay would sound like an echo.

Plus they have to be exactly on the same frequency, an error of as little as 10 Hertz would be noticeable.



Altogether, it is quite a technical feat that would work well, if it weren't for those pesky solar flares.
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The fact that there is no delay between your radio and the dutch sdr is really intriguing. I would have assumed there would be a delay... hmm and you are right, there is no way for them to be perfectly synchronous unless there is a fiber backbone linking them. I am going to ponder on this for awhile...
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Or they're synched to broadcast at the same time and the atomic clocks they use for it are kept in synch. That would mean there would be no fiber for someone to find and cut to hamper communications.
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Does this include the UK or is it just US or worldwide?


Please correct me if I'm wrong.
The messages are simulcasted on various frequencies as well as in different parts of the world. This is done to get worldwide coverage plus to combat the day & night conditions that affect the time of day. The higher frequencies work best during the day while the lower frequencies usually work well at night.

However, it is common during the day that I can hear the same message on about half a dozen different frequencies.
NOTE: I have them programmed in my radio and can quickly change them.

Now here is what puzzles me, although all these transmitters are interconnected, they are identical.
This means that they must be fed via fiber optics, otherwise you would hear time delays.
In simple terms, if one base transmitter is located in the US and another one in Europe and they would be connected by satellite, you would hear a distinct time delay of slightly more than a second. Yet if I listen to my shortwave radio AND the dutch SDR receiver which is half way around the world from me, there is no such delay. The delay would sound like an echo.

Plus they have to be exactly on the same frequency, an error of as little as 10 Hertz would be noticeable.



Altogether, it is quite a technical feat that would work well, if it weren't for those pesky solar flares.
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The fact that there is no delay between your radio and the dutch sdr is really intriguing. I would have assumed there would be a delay... hmm and you are right, there is no way for them to be perfectly synchronous unless there is a fiber backbone linking them. I am going to ponder on this for awhile...
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there could be a specific transmit time embedded in message or stream.
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Just wondering.....

It is well known that the UK (Bletchley Park) and the US were able to read the German "enigma" machines during WW2.

Do you feel that the Chinese (or NK for that matter) can "read" the 8992 gibberish ?

I still feel that until truly needed, that 8992 et al might be a red herring.


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I don't think that the EAM codes are decipherable in the same manner as the german communications. I suspect that there are books for which, the correct code matches a particular message, in effect they are not transmitting the message itself, but a reference to the message.
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But why make it even that easy and broadcast it unencrypted? That's why I think that it might be unimportant communications.
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There is no reason to encrypt it, if you don't know what the message is that a particular code matches, then there is no reason to hide it.

It could also be encrypted similar to how public key encryption works.. I can pass the public key and message on the open air, but if you don't know the private key then you will never be able to decipher the actual message. (This is what I believe WP was worried about being deciphered)

I suspect that they broadcast on these radio channels, because any base with a radio can put out a message and all units can receive it - even if all of our military satellites were taken out or malfunctioning, this ensures that the messages still gets out.
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Walked in the middle of it. 74 characters.

Birdtrap? for all stations? @ approx. 0903 EST

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Birdtrap? for all stations @ 1036 EST

QCOFRU

Y22?K???JP2FLCV?UPPT?MXS

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Nearly unreadable
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THIS IS BIRDTRAP BIRDTRAP
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A quick blip that I caught Mainsail to someone.


Then an EMS 3 count from Lajes
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Sigonella 3 count
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8992 getting blasted so hanging out on 11175 for a while.
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The C32B is back up.

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For those asking all the questions....here's a page that could help.

[link to wiki.radioreference.com]


I only got halfway through it, but learned stuff already!
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Re: Monitoring WW III on. Military USB Frequency 8992.0 and Others .. Ongoing NEW Activity ..
Found another good article telling us what mainsail is exactly, but GLP doesn't like the link.

Look up: who-or-what-is-mainsail
and it's on a certain blog url.
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