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Change of mind about the Jesus Tomb
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Emperor Kenton
User ID: 178117
2/26/2007 9:11 PM
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THE DREAM-WRECKERS take on Jesus!
Who knows what happened a couple of days ago, let alone a couple thousand years ago. However dreams endure, beliefs endure-- good thing, we require them to illuminate the murk.
People believe in invisible things. Why? Because in imagination they are clear as a bell. Emphasized by faith the invisible things are more valid than the dollar bill.
A dream is powerful, imagination is powerful, faith is powerful. Things actually enter our world through the gate of our profound feelings. Things enter, angels and atoms, and there they are often permanent and glowing like the stars.
In an infinite cosmos all dreams are true.
--Kent |
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Anonymous Coward
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2/26/2007 9:25 PM | |
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 201628
2/26/2007 9:26 PM | | Re: Change of mind about the Jesus Tomb | Quote |
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Jago Bourbon
User ID: 159969
2/26/2007 9:51 PM | | Re: Change of mind about the Jesus Tomb | Quote |
From the Movie, "Contact" with Jodie Foster as 'Ellie'...
ELLIE
(a beat, then
softly)
You may not believe this... but
there's a part of me that wants more
than anything to believe in your
God. To believe that we're all here
for a purpose, that all this...
means something. But it's because
that part of me wants it so badly
that I'm so stubborn about making
sure it isn't just self-delusion.
Of course I want to know God if
there is one... but it has to be
real. Unless I have proof how can I
be sure?
JOSS
Do you love your parents?
ELLIE
(startled)
I never knew my mother. My father
died when I was nine.
JOSS
Did you love him?
ELLIE
(softly)
Yes. Very much.
JOSS
Prove it.
Ellie stops and looks at him, truly disarmed. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 182743
2/26/2007 10:08 PM | | Re: Change of mind about the Jesus Tomb | Quote |
Very true! |
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mach
User ID: 110526
2/26/2007 10:10 PM | | Re: Change of mind about the Jesus Tomb | Quote |
there is truth and there is imagination. sometimes the two meet. sometimes they don't. that's the truth, kent. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 201600
2/26/2007 10:15 PM | | Re: Change of mind about the Jesus Tomb | Quote |
The wonderful thing about the truth is that it remains whether people believe it or not. Jesus Christ is the truth. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 191736
2/26/2007 10:21 PM | | Re: Change of mind about the Jesus Tomb | Quote |
I have to say this... It seems to me there is a simple explanation that I find hard to belief no one gets... There is more than one body. You can see the astral body of a being that became enlightened. Jesus was enlightened. It looks just like the body... This is what they saw. So what if they hid the real body because they figured, rightly so, that no one would believe them... He still rose, he is still alive. The point he was trying to make was that if you become as him(enlightened) you will never die. They tricked peoples egos is all, for a good purpose...What silliness... |
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Emperor Kenton
User ID: 178117 (OP)
2/26/2007 10:37 PM | | Re: Change of mind about the Jesus Tomb | Quote |
there is truth and there is imagination. sometimes the two meet. sometimes they don't. that's the truth, kent.
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Wellll....for the sake of balance, justice and the intellect [which is a bucket of bees]...
...sometimes both imagination or truth can collapse in upon itself, like implode, imagine/intellect/dream/faith falling into a wormhole.
For instance there might be empirical evil in the actual sense. That is when you reverse the spelling of evil, you get "live". Thus I've thought that evil means anti-live.
In terms of beliefs the anti-live deal sometimes oozes in.
There can be
Evil Christians
Evil Jews
Evil Muslims
Evil Buddhists
Evil Pagans
These anti-live-evil dopes usually pose to waste your sorry butt, often juiced by their imploded beliefs.
Wonder if their are evil saints, maybe evil perfect people?
Perfectly evil?
Otherwise things are swell... |
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ButchHowdy
User ID: 179689
2/26/2007 10:43 PM | | Re: Change of mind about the Jesus Tomb | Quote |
The second I heard the alleged son's name was "JUDAH", I knew the entire movie was poppycock.
Anyone that has studied gematria or the significance of people and names in the bible would know that JUDAH is obsolete, like Shiloh or Jerusalem, where the glory had departed.
If the name was JOSEPH, I would have been scared! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 201600
2/26/2007 10:46 PM | | Re: Change of mind about the Jesus Tomb | Quote |
They tricked peoples egos is all, for a good purpose...What silliness... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 191736
The ones trying to trick people are the ones claiming they found the bones of Jesus. They know you they can fool some people easily and can make money off of them. |
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Emperor Kenton
User ID: 178117 (OP)
2/26/2007 10:46 PM | | Re: Change of mind about the Jesus Tomb | Quote |
The name, George, might hsve freaked me out. |
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Emperor Kenton
User ID: 178117 (OP)
2/26/2007 11:29 PM | | Re: Change of mind about the Jesus Tomb | Quote |
Here's what happens sometimes, happened to me alas.
I had what I'd call a breakthrough experience--I saw god.
Good thing too because at the time I was a drunk.
Backtracking, once I was a Believer, taught Sunday School, went to church, did all the Believer stuff. But then for various pitiful reasons I had a faith-crises.
A faith-snag can be a good thing, teaches us humans to go it alone. But I was young and thus by default pitiful and stupid, didn't know enough.
So I successfully set out to become a drunk, which from hindsight taught me what a real bad-ass crises can actually be.
Then beyond my best drunk-practice one day I saw god.
Never gulped the hootch again.
Only thing is that god-visit lasted about 30 seconds and has never happened again.
So sometimes I feel like an abandoned stray dog.
Sometimes I get mad at God.
But God can take being mad at I guess.
Must be routine. |
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Thomas Dolby 5.5
User ID: 37525
2/26/2007 11:32 PM | | Re: Change of mind about the Jesus Tomb | Quote |
Here's what happens sometimes, happened to me alas.
I had what I'd call a breakthrough experience--I saw god.
Good thing too because at the time I was a drunk.
Backtracking, once I was a Believer, taught Sunday School, went to church, did all the Believer stuff. But then for various pitiful reasons I had a faith-crises.
A faith-snag can be a good thing, teaches us humans to go it alone. But I was young and thus by default pitiful and stupid, didn't know enough.
So I successfully set out to become a drunk, which from hindsight taught me what a real bad-ass crises can actually be.
Then beyond my best drunk-practice one day I saw god.
Never gulped the hootch again.
Only thing is that god-visit lasted about 30 seconds and has never happened again.
So sometimes I feel like an abandoned stray dog.
Sometimes I get mad at God.
But God can take being mad at I guess.
Must be routine. Quoting: Emperor Kenton 178117
"Some dance to remember, some dance to forget"
"Don't worry, everything is going to be Ok" |
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Mr. Predictor  
Forum Moderator
User ID: 83143
2/26/2007 11:33 PM
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The second I heard the alleged son's name was "JUDAH", I knew the entire movie was poppycock.
Anyone that has studied gematria or the significance of people and names in the bible would know that JUDAH is obsolete, like Shiloh or Jerusalem, where the glory had departed.
If the name was JOSEPH, I would have been scared! Quoting: ButchHowdy
what if the name was mohammad ????
those who beat their swords into plowshares will find themselves plowing for those who don't |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 196193
2/26/2007 11:55 PM | | Re: Change of mind about the Jesus Tomb | Quote |
Here's what happens sometimes, happened to me alas.
I had what I'd call a breakthrough experience--I saw god.
Good thing too because at the time I was a drunk.
Backtracking, once I was a Believer, taught Sunday School, went to church, did all the Believer stuff. But then for various pitiful reasons I had a faith-crises.
A faith-snag can be a good thing, teaches us humans to go it alone. But I was young and thus by default pitiful and stupid, didn't know enough.
So I successfully set out to become a drunk, which from hindsight taught me what a real bad-ass crises can actually be.
Then beyond my best drunk-practice one day I saw god.
Never gulped the hootch again.
Only thing is that god-visit lasted about 30 seconds and has never happened again.
So sometimes I feel like an abandoned stray dog.
Sometimes I get mad at God.
But God can take being mad at I guess.
Must be routine. Quoting: Emperor Kenton 178117
we're not strays Kent, and God is faithful. you know this, and so do i. follow what you know in your heart and mind. God bless you. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 201683
2/27/2007 12:01 AM | |
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 199671
2/27/2007 12:03 AM | | Re: Change of mind about the Jesus Tomb | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 201683
Jesus will NEVER exist for some. That much is true. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 83389
2/27/2007 12:08 AM | | Re: Change of mind about the Jesus Tomb | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 201425
I don;t see air. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 201428
2/27/2007 12:12 AM | | Re: Change of mind about the Jesus Tomb | Quote |
If you believe in the love inside you and the love you have for others, how can you not believe there is a higher power and we are a part of it? |
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Emperor Kenton
User ID: 178117 (OP)
2/27/2007 7:01 AM | | Re: Change of mind about the Jesus Tomb | Quote |
Jesus never existed. Talk about a tomb is another hoax
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If Jesus didn't exist then he does now.
In a sense history is a kind of dream too--that many try to filter. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 198733
2/27/2007 7:35 AM | | Re: Change of mind about the Jesus Tomb | Quote |
The wonderful thing about the truth is that it remains whether people believe it or not. Jesus Christ is the truth. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 201600
Which brings us to a more relevant debate...
Truth versus fact!
I am not saying, having not had a chance to see the data yet, that this IS the tomb of Jesus.
But it may be.
I know that this will hurt the feelings of some people that have invested their whole lives in the idea that Jesus was a supernatural and not normal human being, but frankly, FACT, is what is important here, not belief.
If, IF there is good evidence of this being the tomb of Christ, and that will be hard to come by, let me assure you, then Christians need to rethink the things they have believed, and atone for the harm they have done under their false (If indeed it turns out to be false) religion.
This could turn into the Christians crying poor abused us, REALLY fast. Violence may even ensue...
But this does not make them OR their beliefs correct!
We need to have historians, not theologian (ax to grind big time!) look into this, check the markings, the date of entombment (Is entombment even a word?) and social customs at the time!
For instance, Why would the markings on the "brothers" casket mark him as brother of Jesus, instead of son of Joseph? It only makes sense IF Jesus was hugely famous at the time. (OR does it? Perhaps their is some social convention of the time I don't know of?)
This is why the experts must speak now, and the Christians need to be ready to deal with whatever comes.
It may be hard for them and the rest of us need to give them understanding and love in the coming years, but the FACTS are what matter here.
Not your beliefs being used to skew the facts under your personal mantle of truth. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 178117 (OP)
2/27/2007 7:47 AM | | Re: Change of mind about the Jesus Tomb | Quote |
Facts mutate just like everything else--entropy of intellectual tools and methods.
In many aspect myth endures longer than the so-called fact.
Fact-making is somewhat like conjuring.
Did King David live?
A fact?
Was he a good guy or a bad guy?
Merlin?
Moses?
Encke?
History is time-stuff, more fluid than not. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 199671
2/27/2007 7:48 AM | | Re: Change of mind about the Jesus Tomb | Quote |
"This could turn into the Christians crying poor abused us, REALLY fast. Violence may even ensue..."
Those people would not be Christians. True Christians do not need to defend their faith against media attacks. The strength in our faith is infinite.
We don't require the media to concoct mythical stories of an "eternal struggle" to elicit public sympathy and validate the need for unquestionable acceptance of our beliefs like a certain other faith that shall remain nameless. |
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Emperor Kenton
User ID: 178117 (OP)
2/27/2007 7:52 AM | | Re: Change of mind about the Jesus Tomb | Quote |
Above was me...
God footprints don't last long on the river of facts, even the "preferred" gods.
Especially during spring run-off. |
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Emperor Kenton
User ID: 178117 (OP)
2/27/2007 7:53 AM | | Re: Change of mind about the Jesus Tomb | Quote |
above the above that is |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 6948
2/27/2007 7:58 AM | | Re: Change of mind about the Jesus Tomb | Quote |
the ossuaries aren't worthy enough for Jesus' family. |
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SarcasmKing
User ID: 197348
2/27/2007 7:59 AM | | Re: Change of mind about the Jesus Tomb | Quote |
From the Movie, "Contact" with Jodie Foster as 'Ellie'...   
did you really have to quote lines from the movie contact........ |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 6948
2/27/2007 8:02 AM | | Re: Change of mind about the Jesus Tomb | Quote |
just another JEWISH hoax
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