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BibleProphecy? - Rabbis seek to resume animal sacrifices at temple mount.

 
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my father told me to watch for something like this to happen in the end times. i mean - if they actually start doing this.. it will be a large sign to me.



It has to do with the scripture in Daniel that says when you see the “abomination” in the holy place.

Jesus was the sacrifice for sin. When they go back to sacrificing animals, it is said to be a sign of the end.

Hal Lindsey I think. Cant remember for sure.
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Any true believer will tell you that, but yes, Hal Lindsay has covered this very topic. John Hagee as well as many others including Chuck Missler.

When this happens, the end will be upon us...
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Rabbis seek to resume animal sacrifices
By ASSOCIATED PRESS

A fringe group of extremist rabbis wants to resume the biblical practice of animal sacrifice at Jerusalem's Temple Mount, members said Wednesday, defying centuries of religious bans and triggering a stiff protest from a Muslim leader.

The group, called the "Re-established Sanhedrin" after the Temple-era religious high court, has decided to buy some sheep and try to find one that is ritually perfect for sacrifice, with an eye toward resuming the practice.

"Regrettably, there are many extremist Israeli groups who want to carry out their plans," said Jerusalem's senior Islamic cleric, Mohammed Hussein. "Let them say what they want, Al Aqsa is a Muslim mosque."

The 71 members of the "Re-established Sanhedrin" say they want to begin sacrificing animals again, despite the absence of the Temple, the ritual altar and all the required implements listed in the Bible. Rabbi Dov Stein of the group admitted that it won't be any time soon.

"We want to do the sacrifice, but we have political problems," Stein said. "We hope there will come a time when the government will agree. We will push for that to happen."

Other rabbis point out that ritual animal sacrifice has been banned since the destruction of the Second Temple in A.D. 70.

"Around that time, animal sacrifice, as a mode of religious worship, stopped for Jews, Christians and Muslims," said Rabbi Doniel Hartman of the Shalom Hartman Institute in Jerusalem. "Moving back in that direction is not progress."

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Nice catch by the way PACNW Guy. From Sea town myself. I hope you realize the biblical implications of this...
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The point is this. The criminals who killed Jesus have returned to the scene of the crime to abominate the sacrifice Jesus made on the Cross for mens sins for all time. This truely is the abomination spoken of in the Bible. And it comes at a time like no other when the world is on the edge of disaster. Just the Jews being in Israel alone and claiming to be Gods Choosen people of today is a abomination against God.
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agreed.

hmmmme "ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin" nice spices.
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~they still seek to establish ~a kingdom of this world~

and for that they will need a "messiah" (i'm not saying that he will be jewish only that "he will come in his own name and they will accept him"

bar-abbas = son of god

interesting that the muslims feel their "messiah" is coming soon also...


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Here is yet another Jewish Cult that desires to perform Bronze Age Jewish sacrifices - THE TEMPLE MOUNT AND LAND OF ISRAEL FAITHFUL MOVEMENT.

[link to www.templemountfaithful.org]


SHALOM AND WELCOME.... . . to the home page of the Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful Movement. The goal of the Temple Mount Faithful is the building of the Third Temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem in our lifetime in accordance with the Word of G-d and all the Hebrew prophets and the liberation of the Temple Mount from Arab (Islamic) occupation so that it may be consecrated to the Name of G-d.


Look at these Texan Red Heifer photos. Is this the poor beast they plan to kill? Click halfway down the page:-

[link to www.templemountfaithful.org]


VISION OF REDEMPTION

The Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful Movement understands the phenomenon of modern Israel as the beginning of the redemption of the world. Two and one-half millennia ago, the Hebrew prophets spoke that in the "last days" G-d would regather His people from all the lands where He had scattered them [Yeshayahu (Isaiah) 43:5-7]. For the last 100 years the Jewish people have been returning to and rebuilding Zion. Today Israel is again the dynamic center of Jewish life across the world. The regathering is not yet complete. Ezekiel prophesied that G-d would "leave none of them there any longer" [Yechezkiel (Ezekiel) 39:28b].


It is the view of the Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful that the redemption will proceed in an orderly fashion according to G-d's plan.

First is the foundation of the modern state of Israel and the miraculous victories that G-d gave the people of Israel in the wars against 22 Arab enemy states.

Second is the regathering of the people of Israel from all over the world to the Promised Land.

Third is the liberation and consecration of the Temple Mount and fourth is the building of the Third Temple.

The final step is the coming of the King of Israel, Messiah Ben David.

The existence of the state of Israel and the return of the people of G-d to the Promised Land is the biggest G-dly event and miracle in the history of mankind - ever. This was predicted by the prophets of Israel. We are calling all the nations to link arms in support of this people and the State of Israel to help her complete this process of redemption. We are not allowed to forget that the redemption of the people of Israel is a condition for the redemption of the earth. Also, we remember what G-d said over 4,000 years ago to Abraham, the father of the Israelites: "I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you".

POLICY STATEMENT

The following are some statements of fundamental policy of the Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful Movement:

Israel is the elect nation of G-d, sovereignly chosen for His purpose as a vessel through which redemption will be accomplished.

The Land of Israel (Biblical borders) was given specifically to the people of Israel and to no other nation. Israel is not permitted to give any of this land to any group for any purpose since the land is a grant to Israel from G-d Himself. Any division of the Land and the giving of it to another people represents a breach of the Covenant with G-d.

It is the distinct privilege and responsibility of every Jewish person to return to the Land of Israel and to directly participate in the redemption process. Anyone not exercising this privilege will lose it.

The Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful Movement is dedicated to the fulfillment of every detail of G-d's commandments as recorded in the TANACH.

CREEPY!!!

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I'm going to correct this argument right now.


In its full context, Christ's reference to the abomination of desolation wasn't talking about the incident with Antiochus IV, which occurred over 150 years before Christ made that prophecy, or the Roman military idols, which happened only about 40 years after Christ made that prophecy. Christ was talking about the abomination of desolation that will occur in Jerusalem just before the return of Christ. Christ's prophecy doesn't specify what the abomination will be, but it will be just as despicable to God's Holy Place as the sacrifice of a pig, or the worship of an eagle idol, both of which have already happened.

When will the abomination of desolation happen? Jesus Christ included the abomination of desolation in the prophecy about the time of His return.


"And as He sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of Thy coming, and of the end of the world?" (Matthew 24:3 KJV)
Where will the abomination of desolation happen? Jesus Christ said that the abomination of desolation would happen in Jerusalem, in Judea.


"And this Gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, whoso readeth, let him understand: Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains" (Matthew 24:14-16 KJV)


So we see according to Jesus the Gospel would first have to be preached in all the world.
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In other words God is going to destroy Jerusalem first before the Third Temple comes down from Heaven. A purification if you will.
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There will be no Third Temple built by man.
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This part is true, the third Temple is built by Christ;
Zec;6;13:
Even he shall build the temple of the LORD;
and he shall bear the glory,
and shall sit and rule upon his throne;
and he shall be a priest upon his throne:
and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

Isa;56;7:
Even them will I bring to my holy mountain,
and make them joyful in my house of prayer:
their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar;
for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

What is not true is that this is New Jerusalem, that is only revealed after Judgment Day, when God himself is with the people. There is no temple in New Jerusalem;
Re;21;1:
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth:
for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Re;21;2:
And I John saw the holy city,
new Jerusalem,
coming down from God out of heaven,
prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Re;21;3:
And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying,
Behold,
the tabernacle of God is with men,
and he will dwell with them,
and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them,
and be their God.
Re;21;4:
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes;
and there shall be no more death,
neither sorrow,
nor crying,
neither shall there be any more pain:
for the former things are passed away.

Re;21;22:
And I saw no temple therein:
for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
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Since we are on the subject, I will point you all to an online television show by one of the greatest scholars of our day (Grant Jeffrey) about the preparations to rebuild the temple.

Just go to this link:

[link to www.christian.tv]

And then click on "Preparations for the Rebuilding of the Temple" under video.

But of course none of this is true......another Bible prophecy is not coming to pass......you can go back to sleep......rock solid evidence is not being presented to you......no need to think for yourself.......just follow what the mainstream media tells you......

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Grant Jeffrey???
He is a false prophet. He had a book out before y2k saying how everything from toasters,electic razors, washing machines etc, etc were all going on the blink at midnight 2000. I never bought his book but saw and heard him hacking it for sale. I notice he did not offer refunds for all those who bought his lies. Just another "christian" pimp making money off the whores in the church. bsflag
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I'm sorry you are correct. I've always thought he was talking about a temple when he measured the city. I stand corrected. There is no Third Temple. Damn sorry about that. It's just you get so confused these days with all the lies coming from the Evangelists and there claim of a thrid Temple built by these Jews in Israel. They try in so many ways to mix the Bible up so we all believe what there saying is true.
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I've been listening to to many Rabbi talk shows lately as well and there all saying that the Third Temple is Propheciesed in Ezekiel right in line with the lies coming from the Evangelists and many other Protestant Denominations.
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14: And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15: When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)


This is all the proof we need right here.
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25: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
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WOW. Was Jesus anti-Zionist? Sounds like it!

JEWISH SECRET OF WEALTH: ACCORDING TO THE TORAH, TALMUD & ZOHAR

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SYNOPSIS

A person with wealth, stands up. His wealth gives him a sense of confidence that allows him to act, a sense of self-worth that fills him with enthusiasm. He enjoys all that he is and all that he does. He feels important and this promotes his success. Thus his wealth is a key to prosperity - a key that opens the doors to his desires. "The ground under their feet (Devarim 11.6). This verse, taught R Elazar, refers to a person's wealth - it stands him on his feet. (Pesachim 119a) Rav Shmuel bar Nachman said: When a man is wealthy, he shows his friend a happy face. (Breishis Raba 91.5) R Elazar said: A man who has no land is no man. (Yevamos 63a) A beautiful home expands a person's thoughts. (Brochos 57b) Beautiful garments enlarge a person's thoughts. (ibid.) The rich man's wealth is his fortress. (Mishle 10.15) The rich man has many who love him. (Mishle 14.20) Wealth adds many friends. (Mishle 19.4) Healthy Wealth There is wealth to be had; there is money in the streets. However, a person needs to want this money, to look carefully for it, and gather it up. For the Heavens guide a person in the way he wishes to go (Makkos 10b). True, there are hardships he must endure; he must learn to toil; he must train himself to wait, patiently. Still, if he wants it, it is there. The question is though, should he want wealth? At the simplest level we may answer that the survival of religious life depends on wealth. We need money for our Shabbosim and for our weekdays, for talleisim and for tefillin. We need money for our shuls and our schools. We need money to create libraries and feed our scholars. The very survival of a Torah life-style depends on a financial backing. To raise whole families, a nation who lives with true values, all requires successful economics. Thus every aspect of the Torah depends on wealth. R Elazar ben Azarya would say: If there is no flour, there can be no Torah. (Avos 3.21) Food leads to laughter, wine adds joy to life, and money solves all problems. (Koheles 10.19)
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I've always thought he was talking about a temple when he measured the city.
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There is a temple mentioned in Re;11. Since this is given before the two witnesses start their testimony it should be a reference to the Temple in Heaven that is also mentioned in a few places in Revelation. Anybody who says prayers is said to have them heard in Heaven. Would that be the measurement (of the people) mean it just number those who on Earth who pray?

I've been listening to to many Rabbi talk shows lately as well and there all saying that the Third Temple is Propheciesed in Ezekiel right in line with the lies coming from the Evangelists and many other Protestant Denominations.
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I don't know if that is the one Christ builds or not.
One place that did have an explanation for the dimensions compared against New Jerusalem came up with something that is just weird, to say the least. Not saying I take the article as being "Gospel" but certainly interesting. It should be possible to calculate the size of the New Earth.
[link to www.pickle-publishing.com]
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I'm going to correct this argument right now.
In its full context, Christ's reference to the abomination of desolation wasn't talking about the incident with Antiochus IV, which occurred over 150 years before Christ made that prophecy, or the Roman military idols, which happened only about 40 years after Christ made that prophecy. Christ was talking about the abomination of desolation that will occur in Jerusalem just before the return of Christ. Christ's prophecy doesn't specify what the abomination will be, but it will be just as despicable to God's Holy Place as the sacrifice of a pig, or the worship of an eagle idol, both of which have already happened.

When will the abomination of desolation happen?

So we see according to Jesus the Gospel would first have to be preached in all the world.
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exchanging ideas is not an argument.

so how do you know he wasn't talking about the earlier or the or the "roman military idols, which happened only about 40 years after christ made that prophecy."??? what proof do you have it wasn't what he was talking about? none?

the world...in his time?
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so how do you know he wasn't talking about the earlier or the or the "roman military idols, which happened only about 40 years after christ made that prophecy."??? what proof do you have it wasn't what he was talking about? none?

the world...in his time?
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M't;24;3:
And as he sat upon the mount of Olives,
the disciples came unto him privately,
saying,
Tell us,
when shall these things be?
and what shall be the sign of thy coming,
and of the end of the world?

That sign is given just before 'the end'. 1900+ years would not seem to qualify, nor have these verses happened, which they would have if this event was in the past;
M't;24;21:
For then shall be great tribulation,
such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no,
nor ever shall be.
M't;24;22:
And except those days should be shortened,
there should no flesh be saved:
but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

The above great tribulation is the 7 vials.

The world did not change at all in 70AD. The world will change on the 'last day' though, we are sill waiting that day;

Joh;6;39:
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me,
that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Joh;6;40:
And this is the will of him that sent me,
that every one which seeth the Son,
and believeth on him,
may have everlasting life:
and I will raise him up at the last day.
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The world did not change at all in 70AD.
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the world at that time sure did change and lots.
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The point is this. The criminals who killed Jesus have returned to the scene of the crime to abominate the sacrifice Jesus made on the Cross for mens sins for all time. This truely is the abomination spoken of in the Bible. And it comes at a time like no other when the world is on the edge of disaster. Just the Jews being in Israel alone and claiming to be Gods Choosen people of today is a abomination against God.

agreed.

hmmmme "ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin" nice spices.
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to set it straight...i made a mistake when i posted this "agreed" as i don't agree...to more than the group who is claimed to have killed jesus have returned (although i doubt they ever left)to create a sacrifice of animals as they've been trying to for some time...not so sure i agree that the world is on the edge of disaster either...really...times change and life with the changes but that doesn't necessarily mean disaster. just want the record correct.
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God abandoned Jerusalem milleniums ago, like he abandoned Shiloh.

This animal sacrifice thing has been talked about for ages and it is 100% irrelevent to the scripture or future prophecy.

Jesus' words were spiritual but man just loves to literalize them.

How quickly we take our eyes off the Prize
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~they still seek to establish ~a kingdom of this world~

and for that they will need a "messiah" (i'm not saying that he will be jewish only that "he will come in his own name and they will accept him"

bar-abbas = son of god

interesting that the muslims feel their "messiah" is coming soon also...


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The muslims messiah is jesus so pls dont think that their waiting for anyone else.


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The point is this. The criminals who killed Jesus have returned to the scene of the crime to abominate the sacrifice Jesus made on the Cross for mens sins for all time. This truely is the abomination spoken of in the Bible. And it comes at a time like no other when the world is on the edge of disaster. Just the Jews being in Israel alone and claiming to be Gods Choosen people of today is a abomination against God.

agreed.

hmmmme "ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin" nice spices.

to set it straight...i made a mistake when i posted this "agreed" as i don't agree...to more than the group who is claimed to have killed jesus have returned (although i doubt they ever left)to create a sacrifice of animals as they've been trying to for some time...not so sure i agree that the world is on the edge of disaster either...really...times change and life with the changes but that doesn't necessarily mean disaster. just want the record correct.
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There was not one accurate point in this post.
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the world at that time sure did change and lots.
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For who other than the ones being kicked out of Jesus's land?
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animals = goyim to 'them', no?
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my father told me to watch for something like this to happen in the end times. i mean - if they actually start doing this.. it will be a large sign to me.



It has to do with the scripture in Daniel that says when you see the “abomination” in the holy place.

Jesus was the sacrifice for sin. When they go back to sacrificing animals, it is said to be a sign of the end.

Hal Lindsey I think. Cant remember for sure.
 Quoting: PACNWguy

Any true believer will tell you that, but yes, Hal Lindsay has covered this very topic. John Hagee as well as many others including Chuck Missler.

When this happens, the end will be upon us...
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So where are we at with this? Animal sacrifices happening today?





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