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Another Smoking Gun? Now CNN Jumps the Gun: On 911 CNN Announced WTC 7 "Has Either Collapsed or is Collapsing" Over an Hour Before it Fell!

 
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Another Smoking Gun? Now CNN Jumps the Gun: On 911 CNN Announced WTC 7 "Has Either Collapsed or is Collapsing" Over an Hour Before it Fell!
Another Smoking Gun? Now CNN Jumps the Gun: On 911 CNN Announced WTC 7 "Has Either Collapsed or is Collapsing" Over an Hour Before it Fell

In an amazing redux, new video has been unearthed of a CNN report on the day of 911 in which a CNN anchor announces they have received word that WTC 7 is on fire and "has either collapsed or is collapsing." The problem with this is that WTC 7 is clearly visible behind the anchor.

This report was carried at "about 4:15 eastern daylight time" (according to the anchor), over an hour before the building actually collapsed at 5:20. Who told them the WTC 7 building "has either collapsed or is collapsing."? Keep in mind he did not say it was going to collapse, he said it either had or was in the process of doing so. The anchor says is "we are getting information now", who is giving him this information? If you pay close attention you can see after the anchor announces this he turns around and sees the building as clear as day still standing, he then proceeds to backtrack on the initial information which informed him clearly the building "has either collapsed or is collapsing."

This report is doubled in significance seeing as it comes on the heels of a report that BBC announced that WTC 7 had collapsed over 20 minutes before it actually fell. Both of the anchors were told the building had collapsed, the question is who told them?

Surely, some will say they knew the building was going to collapse because it was on fire. This claim holds no water due to the fact no steel building has ever collapsed due to fire. For example in 2005 the Madrid Sky Scraper was a towering inferno for hours on end and it did not come close to collapsing.

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Re: Another Smoking Gun? Now CNN Jumps the Gun: On 911 CNN Announced WTC 7 "Has Either Collapsed or is Collapsing" Over an Hour Before it Fell!
Very simple. This CNN video proves the BBC had misunderstood info coming from their main source in the U.S.
The BBC reporter, she's not the one putting thoses headlines on those banners at the bottom of the TV screen.
Someone at BBC misunderstood the message received by the U.S. and interpreted the message that WTC-7 had collapsed when in fact the news was that it was damaged and could collapse as shown on CNN. DEBUNKED.
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Re: Another Smoking Gun? Now CNN Jumps the Gun: On 911 CNN Announced WTC 7 "Has Either Collapsed or is Collapsing" Over an Hour Before it Fell!
It's appearing they were all reading from a prepared script. I was reading something earlier... can't remember where now... anyway, it was an interesting theory that Flight 93 was supposed to crash into WTC 7. But since the passengers seized control of it and either crashed in to the ground or the military forced to shoot it down... well, WTC 7 was still filled with explosives so it had to be taken down regardless. Remember, WTC 7 was full of all kinds of interesting offices; CIA, FBI, Guiliani's command bunker... anyway, they had to take it down and the government sent out a message to all of the mainstream outlets that at a certain time it would be coming down. However, something happened that delayed it; perhaps it took longer to get the last remaining firefighters out. CNN and BBC didn't realize this and went ahead and read the original message, not realising the building was still standing tall and strong right behind them. I don't know... I thought it was an interesting point of view.
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Re: Another Smoking Gun? Now CNN Jumps the Gun: On 911 CNN Announced WTC 7 "Has Either Collapsed or is Collapsing" Over an Hour Before it Fell!
Yes but i still think it went that way.... The reporter on CNN does report that WTC-7 may collapse and he can clearly recognize and see that the WTC-7 building is damaged. That news went to BBC but the guy at BBC who writes the banners misunderstood and heard that it was collapsed when in fact that's not what CNN had said. It was just a communication misunderstanding nothing more.
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Re: Another Smoking Gun? Now CNN Jumps the Gun: On 911 CNN Announced WTC 7 "Has Either Collapsed or is Collapsing" Over an Hour Before it Fell!
Debunked indeed.

This thread should be pinned.

All people should realize exactly HOW these things get started - a misquote or a misinterpretation or a misunderstanding. Voila. Conspiracy! Coverup!!

Nothing of the sort. Classic. PIN THIS!
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Re: Another Smoking Gun? Now CNN Jumps the Gun: On 911 CNN Announced WTC 7 "Has Either Collapsed or is Collapsing" Over an Hour Before it Fell!
I recall that the firemen had optically measured a significant bulge on the side of WTC 7 and decided that it would collapse. Perhaps their conclusion got ditorted when passed to the media. The transmission from CNN to BBC was certainly distorted info.

OTOH, maybe the firemen story is a fabrication. If explosives were necessary to collapse the bldg, then it could not have visibly bulged before collapse. So that optical data may be crucial here.
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Re: Another Smoking Gun? Now CNN Jumps the Gun: On 911 CNN Announced WTC 7 "Has Either Collapsed or is Collapsing" Over an Hour Before it Fell!
I recall that the firemen had optically measured a significant bulge on the side of WTC 7 and decided that it would collapse. Perhaps their conclusion got ditorted when passed to the media. The transmission from CNN to BBC was certainly distorted info.

OTOH, maybe the firemen story is a fabrication. If explosives were necessary to collapse the bldg, then it could not have visibly bulged before collapse. So that optical data may be crucial here.
 Quoting: planxty 202739


When did the firemen "optically" measure the WTC7 before it collapsed? Can you provide a link to a story? It's a new angle that I've NEVER heard before, and I've spent a lot of time reading up on this issue since the fateful day.
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Re: Another Smoking Gun? Now CNN Jumps the Gun: On 911 CNN Announced WTC 7 "Has Either Collapsed or is Collapsing" Over an Hour Before it Fell!
I recall that the firemen had optically measured a significant bulge on the side of WTC 7 and decided that it would collapse. Perhaps their conclusion got ditorted when passed to the media. The transmission from CNN to BBC was certainly distorted info.

OTOH, maybe the firemen story is a fabrication. If explosives were necessary to collapse the bldg, then it could not have visibly bulged before collapse. So that optical data may be crucial here.
 Quoting: planxty 202739


IF the firemen had measured a bulge on one of the sides of WTC 7, that would make me think the building would just topple over, smashing into other buildings... as it would be weaker on one side of the building than the other. What are the chances it would collapse in it's own footprint and look like a classic controlled demolition as it did so?
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Re: Another Smoking Gun? Now CNN Jumps the Gun: On 911 CNN Announced WTC 7 "Has Either Collapsed or is Collapsing" Over an Hour Before it Fell!
If that is not the proof that they planned it then I cannot help, and 'they' is not Arabs.
I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ...
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Re: Another Smoking Gun? Now CNN Jumps the Gun: On 911 CNN Announced WTC 7 "Has Either Collapsed or is Collapsing" Over an Hour Before it Fell!
It's appearing they were all reading from a prepared script. I was reading something earlier... can't remember where now... anyway, it was an interesting theory that Flight 93 was supposed to crash into WTC 7. But since the passengers seized control of it and either crashed in to the ground or the military forced to shoot it down... well, WTC 7 was still filled with explosives so it had to be taken down regardless. Remember, WTC 7 was full of all kinds of interesting offices; CIA, FBI, Guiliani's command bunker... anyway, they had to take it down and the government sent out a message to all of the mainstream outlets that at a certain time it would be coming down. However, something happened that delayed it; perhaps it took longer to get the last remaining firefighters out. CNN and BBC didn't realize this and went ahead and read the original message, not realising the building was still standing tall and strong right behind them. I don't know... I thought it was an interesting point of view.
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Thats just fucking stupid, use your fucking head woo woo. If the government was behind 911, they wouldn't send our prepared scrips by the dozen to all the news outlets. Not a very good way to keep a secret, huh. I mean, god knows you can trust the thousands of people in the news departments AROUND THE WORLD from spilling the beans and touting the physical documentation. Too many people involved for that to happen. Please, use your fucking head, nutjob. It's idiots like yourself that make this country so weak and easy to take over, you will believe anything, lol.
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Re: Another Smoking Gun? Now CNN Jumps the Gun: On 911 CNN Announced WTC 7 "Has Either Collapsed or is Collapsing" Over an Hour Before it Fell!
Very simple. This CNN video proves the BBC had misunderstood info coming from their main source in the U.S.
The BBC reporter, she's not the one putting thoses headlines on those banners at the bottom of the TV screen.
Someone at BBC misunderstood the message received by the U.S. and interpreted the message that WTC-7 had collapsed when in fact the news was that it was damaged and could collapse as shown on CNN. DEBUNKED.
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Damn...

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Re: Another Smoking Gun? Now CNN Jumps the Gun: On 911 CNN Announced WTC 7 "Has Either Collapsed or is Collapsing" Over an Hour Before it Fell!
This is the second time in history that a news network announced the collapse of a steel frame building LONG BEFORE it actually collapsed.

Absolutely fucking amazing investigative reporting.

Or did someone get offcue on a pre-written script, again?
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Or did someone get offcue on a pre-written script, again?
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That must be it...

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Re: Another Smoking Gun? Now CNN Jumps the Gun: On 911 CNN Announced WTC 7 "Has Either Collapsed or is Collapsing" Over an Hour Before it Fell!
[link to www.youtube.com]

CNN'S REPORT IN-FOCUS
AARON BROWN QUESTIONS SCRIPT ON-AIR, UNLIKE BBC

It is interesting to note that Aaron Brown seems to realize the incongruity of his reporting as he looks over his shoulder at Building 7-- still standing and emitting massive trails of smoke.

Just after announcing that WTC 7 "has collapsed or is collapsing," he lets onto his confusion, stating:

"And I—I—You, to be honest, can see these pictures more clearly than I, but building number 7, one of the buildings in this very large complex of buildings that is that is the trade center."

Clearly, Brown, slicker than the BBC reporter, caught the errors in the script during live coverage and revised his words, saying instead-- as he looked at the standing structure:

"And now we are told that there's a fire there and that building may collapse as well as you can see. "


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Re: Another Smoking Gun? Now CNN Jumps the Gun: On 911 CNN Announced WTC 7 "Has Either Collapsed or is Collapsing" Over an Hour Before it Fell!
I recall that the firemen had optically measured a significant bulge on the side of WTC 7 and decided that it would collapse. Perhaps their conclusion got ditorted when passed to the media. The transmission from CNN to BBC was certainly distorted info.

OTOH, maybe the firemen story is a fabrication. If explosives were necessary to collapse the bldg, then it could not have visibly bulged before collapse. So that optical data may be crucial here.


IF the firemen had measured a bulge on one of the sides of WTC 7, that would make me think the building would just topple over, smashing into other buildings... as it would be weaker on one side of the building than the other. What are the chances it would collapse in it's own footprint and look like a classic controlled demolition as it did so?
 Quoting: Terrier


In the first place, WTC7 did not collapse in its own footprint. There was extensive damage to neighboring buildings.

In the second place, with gravity acting straight down, how could any building collapse without most of the debris landing in its own footprint? Buildings don't topple over like trees.

The purpose of a controlled demolition is to make sure 100% of the debris land the the footprint so that no damage is done to neighboring buildings. That definitely did not happen with WTC7. Of course, they could have done a controlled demolition, intentionally sending some debris out of the footprint to make it look like it wasn't a controlled demolition. Do you think that's what happened?
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Re: Another Smoking Gun? Now CNN Jumps the Gun: On 911 CNN Announced WTC 7 "Has Either Collapsed or is Collapsing" Over an Hour Before it Fell!
If that is not the proof that they planned it then I cannot help, and 'they' is not Arabs.
 Quoting: Dilatoriness



If you consider this proof, then you must know for sure that this quoted statement is false.

"The news reporters made a mistake."

How do you know it is false?
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Re: Another Smoking Gun? Now CNN Jumps the Gun: On 911 CNN Announced WTC 7 "Has Either Collapsed or is Collapsing" Over an Hour Before it Fell!
Not so fast.
Cute side-step but you ignore the fact that this was an hour before, they state that it is about to collapse and we have a massive volume of evidence from eye witnesses and on video that they were evacuating the area so that they could "pull it". Larry Silverstein even admitted this on air.

This all ties together into a very solid, comprehensive body of evidence. It's compelling. It is undeniable and your attempts to cling on to the official line are driven by your needs rather than logic.

Look inside yourself. You are scared of the truth.


Very simple. This CNN video proves the BBC had misunderstood info coming from their main source in the U.S.
The BBC reporter, she's not the one putting thoses headlines on those banners at the bottom of the TV screen.
Someone at BBC misunderstood the message received by the U.S. and interpreted the message that WTC-7 had collapsed when in fact the news was that it was damaged and could collapse as shown on CNN. DEBUNKED.
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Actually it is definitely what did happen.
Why are you lying?


I recall that the firemen had optically measured a significant bulge on the side of WTC 7 and decided that it would collapse. Perhaps their conclusion got ditorted when passed to the media. The transmission from CNN to BBC was certainly distorted info.

OTOH, maybe the firemen story is a fabrication. If explosives were necessary to collapse the bldg, then it could not have visibly bulged before collapse. So that optical data may be crucial here.


IF the firemen had measured a bulge on one of the sides of WTC 7, that would make me think the building would just topple over, smashing into other buildings... as it would be weaker on one side of the building than the other. What are the chances it would collapse in it's own footprint and look like a classic controlled demolition as it did so?


In the first place, WTC7 did not collapse in its own footprint. There was extensive damage to neighboring buildings.

In the second place, with gravity acting straight down, how could any building collapse without most of the debris landing in its own footprint? Buildings don't topple over like trees.

The purpose of a controlled demolition is to make sure 100% of the debris land the the footprint so that no damage is done to neighboring buildings. That definitely did not happen with WTC7. Of course, they could have done a controlled demolition, intentionally sending some debris out of the footprint to make it look like it wasn't a controlled demolition. Do you think that's what happened?
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Re: Another Smoking Gun? Now CNN Jumps the Gun: On 911 CNN Announced WTC 7 "Has Either Collapsed or is Collapsing" Over an Hour Before it Fell!
Yes, very clearly.
It is also thanks to the fact that he KNEW what WTC7 looked like. He is American.

This is very clearly foreknowledge. The "oh it was the fireman's optical measurements" argument is trying to explain this foreknowledge, but the fact remains that it was foreknowledge.

All the other "debunking" arguments on this thread don't deny it's foreknowledge either.

They can't
Because live, on air, they made the announcements. And hour before. So this cannot be denied.

They can only try to explain it away.

BTW, the optical measurements argument is pure fabrication as such equipment was not deployed there, could not be rigged up that quickly and could not produce the results that fast.

So this is just a clever hoax in an attempt to cover up the undeniable.

[link to www.youtube.com]



CNN'S REPORT IN-FOCUS
AARON BROWN QUESTIONS SCRIPT ON-AIR, UNLIKE BBC

It is interesting to note that Aaron Brown seems to realize the incongruity of his reporting as he looks over his shoulder at Building 7-- still standing and emitting massive trails of smoke.

Just after announcing that WTC 7 "has collapsed or is collapsing," he lets onto his confusion, stating:

"And I—I—You, to be honest, can see these pictures more clearly than I, but building number 7, one of the buildings in this very large complex of buildings that is that is the trade center."

Clearly, Brown, slicker than the BBC reporter, caught the errors in the script during live coverage and revised his words, saying instead-- as he looked at the standing structure:

"And now we are told that there's a fire there and that building may collapse as well as you can see. "




[link to www.infowars.com]
 Quoting: LuckySoul
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Not so.
And most certainly not debunked.

This poster is trying to explain away the foreknowledge. But the foreknowledge cannot be denied. This poster in no way denies the foreknowledge which is just as well as they would self-debunk.

The foreknowledge was there, is undeniable and contradicts the official story which is all that we need. Trying to explain it away by misquoting and misdirection is a cute psychological trick, a nice try, but a failure.

Cute, but irrelevant.


Very simple. This CNN video proves the BBC had misunderstood info coming from their main source in the U.S.
The BBC reporter, she's not the one putting thoses headlines on those banners at the bottom of the TV screen.
Someone at BBC misunderstood the message received by the U.S. and interpreted the message that WTC-7 had collapsed when in fact the news was that it was damaged and could collapse as shown on CNN. DEBUNKED.


Damn...

You're good, you...

dance
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I actually remember that. They showed firefighter running away from the building on 2 seperate occasions because the building was "rumbling"
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Re: Another Smoking Gun? Now CNN Jumps the Gun: On 911 CNN Announced WTC 7 "Has Either Collapsed or is Collapsing" Over an Hour Before it Fell!
Not so fast.
Cute side-step but you ignore the fact that this was an hour before, they state that it is about to collapse and we have a massive volume of evidence from eye witnesses and on video that they were evacuating the area so that they could "pull it". Larry Silverstein even admitted this on air.


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No, you don't have that evidence. You just keep saying over and over that you do, but that doesn't make it so.
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No, you don't have that evidence. You just keep saying over and over that you do, but that doesn't make it so.
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They think that repeating it over and over will make it so...
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