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Are Christianity and Taoism compatible?

 
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Do your own thinking. I wouldn't listen to most of the people here. At least some of Taoism is compatible. Dwell on this: who is the father, who is the son, what is the holy spirit? From the viewpoint of the eternal, what is the difference between being rich or poor, or healthy or ill, or young or old? I could say much more, as I think Christ's teachings are often misunderstood. But I'm only commenting because I like your 11:11 threads, otherwise I'd avoid a thread like this, since the resident GLP rabid uber Christians will now brand me a heretic headed towards utter damnation. Not that I care what they think, but they are annoying and sanctimonious.

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Christianity is an unnecessary religion. The Soul doesn't need to be saved. It needs to be realized; made Conscious. It's immortal by definition. You aren't your "character/body-mind". You ARE a soul. Taoism shows "The Way".
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I don't know much about taoism, but the taoteching doesn't say anything that contradicts christianity, since beliefs are subjective it'd depend on ones personal views.
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Re: Are Christianity and Taoism compatible?
A whole lot of ignorance in this thread.

Taoism is not a religion it is a Path.

Taoist do not necessarily believe in the celestial hierachy.

The Supreme Tian from Chinese culture has a lot of parallels to the Christian God.

And remember all you protestants. You are just rebellious catholics.
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As with everything Jesus is the determining factor. If there is room for Jesus in the Tao then I am a taoist Christian.

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Okay so pratice Tao to harmonize and repent to Jesus.

Theological problem solved.

If the Christian God wants to keep you from perfecting yourself and being a better person... why would you worship that?

80% of christians were raised that way and never strayed. May have given it up for a few years in college or whatever, but they never researched or embraced another theology at all. They only know one thing, the religion of their fathers/mothers.
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I was raised catholic, embraced the tao then became born again.


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Re: Are Christianity and Taoism compatible?
A whole lot of ignorance in this thread.

Taoism is not a religion it is a Path.

Taoist do not necessarily believe in the celestial hierachy.

The Supreme Tian from Chinese culture has a lot of parallels to the Christian God.

And remember all you protestants. You are just rebellious catholics.
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As with everything Jesus is the determining factor. If there is room for Jesus in the Tao then I am a taoist Christian.

rose
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Why can't you read both and make up your own mind? I love Tao material which goes far deeper than anything that was ALLOWED in the bible. Few understood Jesus where he was 2000 years ago and most of you don't comprehend now.

Jesus did not start your religion. YOU ARE YOUR PATH . Jesus demonstrated the Path.

This is my favorite statement from the Tao. Its a nice version of "god is in all things"...


"The Great Tao flows everywhere, to the left and to the right. All things depend on it to exist, and it does not abandon them. To its accomplishments it lays no claims. It loves and nourishes all things, but does not lord it over them." - Lao Tzu

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Why are you fixated on some middle eastern religion in the first place?
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Why are you fixated on some middle eastern religion in the first place?
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Because I am studying energies which lead to yin yang which lead to good evil which lead to God which leads to Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
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Dont ask others to tell you what you can and cannot believe or what is or isnt compatible. If it works for you and produces good results then it is. Period.
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Dont ask others to tell you what you can and cannot believe or what is or isnt compatible. If it works for you and produces good results then it is. Period.
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Exactly...

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I don't want to say the wrong things to others though. I could cause others to stumble if I'm not careful and that's not my intention. Thank you Wolf!

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I am ... Tao explains 'everything/all' all is God, why wouldn't Tao be God? God equals Jesus and Jesus equals the way. I don't know. I just don't see the contradiction.
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j15 This will not end well.

Jas 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
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Read the parable of the prodigal son.

God as Taoist master.
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Tao is God
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Some people say creation is God.

That is like the people who mistake God for light, which is only part of creation.

God is prior to creation and the separation of opposites like light and darkness.

Tao represents a balance of opposites.

God is still beyond that because he is outside of it and he works with the balance of opposites.

Creation is always immersed on the Tao, or the play of opposites, but thanks to God breathing his essence into man, people are capable of using their imaginations to step outside of it and see it from God's perspective.

It is not the same thing as being God, but something like being the image of God.

Demonic spirits could recognize the spirit of God instantly in Jesus because he could look upon them, without fear, as manifestations of the Tao.

Taoism is useful for understanding creation, just as science is useful for many things, but neither of them is a substitute for relationship with God, which Jesus represents.

God is a person, and relationship to God is so personal that only a person can truly do it. Not angels or devils, or anything in creation. Personality itself is prior to creation, and prior to the division of opposites.

Persons are essentially whole beings.

When Jesus urged us to be perfect like our Father in Heaven, he was talking about our essential, undivided, and indivisible wholeness as persons.

We can be perfect.

We aren't the Tao, but we are immersed in it.

We can observe it and work with it.
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I am ... Tao explains 'everything/all' all is God, why wouldn't Tao be God? God equals Jesus and Jesus equals the way. I don't know. I just don't see the contradiction.
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j15 This will not end well.

Jas 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
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You are jewish right?
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lol it's pretty black and white.

Christ was murdered because he opposed the self appointed kings.
How does tao fit into the picture?
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Read the parable of the prodigal son.

God as Taoist master.
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Tao is God
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Some people say creation is God.

That is like the people who mistake God for light, which is only part of creation.

God is prior to creation and the separation of opposites like light and darkness.

Tao represents a balance of opposites.

God is still beyond that because he is outside of it and he works with the balance of opposites.

Creation is always immersed on the Tao, or the play of opposites, but thanks to God breathing his essence into man, people are capable of using their imaginations to step outside of it and see it from God's perspective.

It is not the same thing as being God, but something like being the image of God.

Demonic spirits could recognize the spirit of God instantly in Jesus because he could look upon them, without fear, as manifestations of the Tao.

Taoism is useful for understanding creation, just as science is useful for many things, but neither of them is a substitute for relationship with God, which Jesus represents.

God is a person, and relationship to God is so personal that only a person can truly do it. Not angels or devils, or anything in creation. Personality itself is prior to creation, and prior to the division of opposites.

Persons are essentially whole beings.

When Jesus urged us to be perfect like our Father in Heaven, he was talking about our essential, undivided, and indivisible wholeness as persons.

We can be perfect.

We aren't the Tao, but we are immersed in it.

We can observe it and work with it.
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You have just elevated my understanding. Thank you very, very much.


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lol it's pretty black and white.

Christ was murdered because he opposed the self appointed kings.
How does tao fit into the picture?
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Tao is all but as the above poster said so eloquently, Jesus and God are above the tao.
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Christianity is an unnecessary religion. The Soul doesn't need to be saved. It needs to be realized; made Conscious. It's immortal by definition. You aren't your "character/body-mind". You ARE a soul. Taoism shows "The Way".
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Jesus is the short-cut that you must take or you won't get to the top though.
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Jesus is just an idea in your head. It is an IDEA to which you've assigned a name and a sign. It is a historical symbol, not an ontological reality.

Really, people should wise up a little.
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Christianity is an unnecessary religion. The Soul doesn't need to be saved. It needs to be realized; made Conscious. It's immortal by definition. You aren't your "character/body-mind". You ARE a soul. Taoism shows "The Way".
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Jesus is the short-cut that you must take or you won't get to the top though.
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Jesus is just an idea in your head. It is an IDEA to which you've assigned a name and a sign. It is a historical symbol, not an ontological reality.

Really, people should wise up a little.
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I've seen Him. IN my spirit

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Yes! They are absolutely compatible. Not only are they compatible, but Christ is THE WAY. The Tao is known as The Way. The Way is the path to perfection, it is a science if living.

Christ is the embodiment of the Way, The Path, the perfect man.

There is a book, written by an Orthodox Christian monk in California. It's called " Christ: The Eternal Tao, I think. Look for it.
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Thank you! I will look it up.



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Christianity is an unnecessary religion. The Soul doesn't need to be saved. It needs to be realized; made Conscious. It's immortal by definition. You aren't your "character/body-mind". You ARE a soul. Taoism shows "The Way".
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Jesus is the short-cut that you must take or you won't get to the top though.
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Jesus is just an idea in your head. It is an IDEA to which you've assigned a name and a sign. It is a historical symbol, not an ontological reality.

Really, people should wise up a little.
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I've seen Him. IN my spirit
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You thought you saw him. Thinking is not perception.

You don't have a spirit. No one does.

Spirit implies the potentiality of the universe (the universe and time, as a physical process). It exists outside space-time, you know how people ask what is outside the universe? The answer to that is the spirit, and no one HAS it, because it cannot be owned. It can be used.

What you have is a soul, which is purely physical, and that's how you evolve. Once you hit the spirit, you are no more, and that is the end of your evolution. This is what Jesus metaphysics is all about. It is a theological symbolism built on Platonic ontology. Such a person never existed.

You better wake up, son.
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Yes! They are absolutely compatible. Not only are they compatible, but Christ is THE WAY. The Tao is known as The Way. The Way is the path to perfection, it is a science if living.

Christ is the embodiment of the Way, The Path, the perfect man.

There is a book, written by an Orthodox Christian monk in California. It's called " Christ: The Eternal Tao, I think. Look for it.
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Thank you! I will look it up.



cheers
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I can't wait. Thank you again.


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Jesus is the short-cut that you must take or you won't get to the top though.
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Jesus is just an idea in your head. It is an IDEA to which you've assigned a name and a sign. It is a historical symbol, not an ontological reality.

Really, people should wise up a little.
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I've seen Him. IN my spirit
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You thought you saw him. Thinking is not perception.

You don't have a spirit. No one does.

Spirit implies the potentiality of the universe (the universe and time, as a physical process). It exists outside space-time, you know how people ask what is outside the universe? The answer to that is the spirit, and no one HAS it, because it cannot be owned. It can be used.

What you have is a soul, which is purely physical, and that's how you evolve. Once you hit the spirit, you are no more, and that is the end of your evolution. This is what Jesus metaphysics is all about. It is a theological symbolism built on Platonic ontology. Such a person never existed.

You better wake up, son.
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When you are born again you are born into the spirit and the Holy Spirit resides in you.

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If God is not the author of any belief , then no
Job 37:13
He causes it to come,
Whether for correction,
Or for His land,
Or for mercy.(Read all of 37)
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Jesus is just an idea in your head. It is an IDEA to which you've assigned a name and a sign. It is a historical symbol, not an ontological reality.

Really, people should wise up a little.
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I've seen Him. IN my spirit
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You thought you saw him. Thinking is not perception.

You don't have a spirit. No one does.

Spirit implies the potentiality of the universe (the universe and time, as a physical process). It exists outside space-time, you know how people ask what is outside the universe? The answer to that is the spirit, and no one HAS it, because it cannot be owned. It can be used.

What you have is a soul, which is purely physical, and that's how you evolve. Once you hit the spirit, you are no more, and that is the end of your evolution. This is what Jesus metaphysics is all about. It is a theological symbolism built on Platonic ontology. Such a person never existed.

You better wake up, son.
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When you are born again you are born into the spirit and the Holy Spirit resides in you.

:spirit:
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No.

You reside in the holy spirit. Holy spirit cannot be contained in anything.

The concept "born again", it means you are dead to your empirical self and delivered to the end of the universe. No more evolution, you're stagnant and absolute.

Don't read the Bible as a history book, it is a metaphysical teaching! Learn to read it right, wisen up.
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I would figure that Jesus is the Tao made flesh.

Word made flesh is the English translation of the Greek "Logos made flesh"

If the Logos is basically the same in essence to the Tao, Jesus was/is the Tao made flesh


I tend to think of God the Father as the "unmanifest Tao" and Jesus Christ as the "manifest Tao"

As long as you don't put your faith in anything other than Christ, I don't see how the Taoist "go with the flow" philosophy could be a bad thing.

Is the whole wei wu wei thing basically just like the whole "let go and let God" slogan?
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You are Jewish right?
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promisedlandRachael Jewish Christian. And I would like to point out that I serve a very angry God who is about to tear this world apart because of sin. Without the Lord's protection you will be tossed about like a feather in the wind.

Gen 15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
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I've seen Him. IN my spirit
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You thought you saw him. Thinking is not perception.

You don't have a spirit. No one does.

Spirit implies the potentiality of the universe (the universe and time, as a physical process). It exists outside space-time, you know how people ask what is outside the universe? The answer to that is the spirit, and no one HAS it, because it cannot be owned. It can be used.

What you have is a soul, which is purely physical, and that's how you evolve. Once you hit the spirit, you are no more, and that is the end of your evolution. This is what Jesus metaphysics is all about. It is a theological symbolism built on Platonic ontology. Such a person never existed.

You better wake up, son.
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When you are born again you are born into the spirit and the Holy Spirit resides in you.

spirit
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No.

You reside in the holy spirit. Holy spirit cannot be contained in anything.

The concept "born again", it means you are dead to your empirical self and delivered to the end of the universe. No more evolution, you're stagnant and absolute.

Don't read the Bible as a history book, it is a metaphysical teaching! Learn to read it right, wisen up.
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It cannot be contained but it lives in me as well. God is in All, His spirit resides in me as I reside in Him. I am a sponge in water. The sponge is filled and is submerged. I am the pickle in vinegar.
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I've got a moment to offer a couple of 2¢. . .I dunno much about taoism except what I'm looking up right now, but keep in mind that there's a wealth of fairly key scriptural angles that Xtianity itself largely does not subscribe to: Christ within us, God as Sovereign, Christ slain from the foundation of the world, the scope of His sacrifice, the feminine aspect of the Holy Spirit, God eventually becoming "All in All", application of "equal weights & measures"->being judged as we have judged others, most of the Sermon on the Mount, etc. Thus, a grain of salt may be advisable ;)

The growing understanding of quantum physics is eclipsing the old, static models (which are essentially idols, per scriptural definition).
A great book you may find interesting is "Quantum and Non-Quantum States of The Lord Jesus Christ" by a Vincent Speckhart. Heavy stuff that reaches beyond the encrusted standards of Laodicean churchism. A quote: << Since Christ is the foundation of the Quantum State and since the energy of every quantum state is superpositioned in every other quantum state, energy of Christ superpositioned in every part of the Quantum States is able to annihilate all antiparticles in creation. >> (Colossians 1:20, Psalm 22:27, Habakkuk 2:14, Revelation 5:13, 2 Corinthians 5:19-21, Philippians 2:9-11, etc.)

I once heard it pointed out that in the original Hebrew texts, the terms "good" & "evil" most purely boil down to the concepts of function & dysfunction. And in the same vein, it's not uncommonly taught that "sin" equates to an archery term, essentially meaning "to miss the mark". Concepts in scripture are today largely over-dramatized and exaggerated from the practical into a form of carnal pageantry.Corporately, we've strayed from the old ways.

As I'm sure you're aware, they don't like"isms", and if they can slap a label on something, that label makes it suspicious. It's a sadly effective shortcut to remaining on the treadmill. (And my apologies to those mired therein, but eventually the call to "Come out of her" hits home and it's clearly time to climb out of the playpen).

I can neither recommend nor denounce taoism per se, but I do advise an open mind to perhaps something bigger & better than our various established short-sighted approaches. If taoism is any *good* for us, there will likely at some point arise parallels with concepts that have been buried in scripture over ages of leavened re-translations and chicken-fried bias.

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I am not an expert on Taoism...
Just be careful:

"See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ."
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15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

16 In the case of a will,[d] it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, 17 because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living. 18 This is why even the first covenant was not put into effect without blood.

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...... 18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

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Are there requirements of a New Covenant(New Testament)....for men and women today?



Are they the same requirements of the 1st century and the New Testament?



What are the requirements for men and women today?



Can men and women obtain salvation today outside of the requirements of Jesus?



Some "religious leaders" say ALL roads lead to salvation.



Jesus says, "13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

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Is there a path we can all agree upon?




Are there EXAMPLES in the New Testament?




Hear-Acts 18-8

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Believe- Acts 8:12

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Repent - Acts 2:38

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Confess - Romans 10:9

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Be Baptized - (Word means immersed...not sprinkled, or poured upon !) 1 Peter 3:20-21; Acts 2:38

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Live Faithfully-Rev. 2:10

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...BTW...living faithfully is a constant struggle

Just as the Apostle Paul had to buffet his body daily !

27 No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.

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9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.


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.......6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that

he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

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12 See to it, brothers and sisters, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God.

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