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TWIN PEAKS: THE RETURN - Discuss the past, present and future of all things Twin Peaks

 
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"I'll take your last question first - no. It's a very convoluted and intelligent plot, but certainly not just "arty bullshit done for kicks with no rhyme or reason". No offense, but it sounds like you're watching the show, but not really getting it.

And that's on YOU, not Lynch. And certainly not us. Most of us aren't confused on your questions at all.

If you really don't understand the significance of the blue rose, Judy, or Buenos Aires I suggest that you go back and rewatch the series or, at least, the Fire Walk With Me movie and The Missing Pieces scenes. We'll get more into a discussion of Judy at the end of this message.

Do you even understand WHO the couple in the car is? If not, I suggest going back and rewatching the episode again. Because it was pretty clear.

And yes, Albert is getting slimy. I stand by my statement. He made some deal with Cooper and Jeffries and didn't let Cole know about it. And it resulted in at least one death. Far from being just a "mistake", IMHO.

And ANYONE watching should know how Buckhorn pertains to the current storyline. That's where Evil Cooper was currently conducting his business, where the unidentified body being covered up by military intelligence was found, where Evil Cooper was picked up by the Highway Patrol, etc.

You can't just idly watch Twin Peaks or you will miss what's really going on. It's designed for very deep thinking and not like any other show ever on television."


Beast33 is not my spirit guide to this show. Somewhat interesting stuff you write but not really digging where you lead the reader.

Obviously Buckhorn has those goings-on going on. But why Buckhorn?

The relationship of the couple in the car is obvious too. But why the sky staring etc? Artsy fartsy bullpucky perhaps?

"Just out of curiosity, why do you "love that Dr. Jacoby is doing a conspiracy themed broadcast, advertisements and all", when it's intended to mock people just like all of us here, on GLP?

(For the record, Mark Frost, co-writer of Twin Peaks, has repeatedly expressed his hatred of "conspiracy theorists" on his personal Twitter account - even going so far as to Retweet a post about wanting to literally punch conspiracy theorists in the face, a while back. You really should read through his Tweets, if you haven't already.)

There is actually a great deal of "Anti-Truth" programming hidden within the series. I'm surprised that so many people here are completely blind to that fact, and that they're being more sycophantic than analytical, when viewing the series."


Why does Beast333 dismiss this intelligent commentary? Notice Dr. Jacoby as talk-show dissenter has Nazi-like regalia on? He's not being portrayed as something altogether good here. Mr. Frost's commentary regarding social issues is pertinent to this discussion.

Do you know who Showtime is?

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Look who its owners are.

What building is the inter-dimensional gateway in?

Look at :25 - :35 seconds here:



Could it be?

[link to www.bing.com]

Let's talk about watching an idiot box and what may spring from it.
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"(For the record, Mark Frost, co-writer of Twin Peaks, has repeatedly expressed his hatred of "conspiracy theorists" on his personal Twitter account - even going so far as to Retweet a post about wanting to literally punch conspiracy theorists in the face, a while back. You really should read through his Tweets, if you haven't already.)"


I believe you, but it doesn't make sense.
Major Briggs was all about conspiracy, the real deal, not the Jacoby level.

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What building is the inter-dimensional gateway in?

Look at :25 - :35 seconds here:



Could it be?

[link to www.bing.com]

Let's talk about watching an idiot box and what may spring from it.
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That's not the same building at all. Cool idea though.
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Looks like we have some people going under various Anonymous Coward ID's to post their agendas here. It happens to all threads that last this long. So consider it a compliment. Let's see what all of you and our newest trollish looking members have to say about Twin Peaks...








Five episodes in, my honest opinion is, if anyone but David Lynch makes this series as he is doing it, it would be laughed at and universally called boring and awful.

That said, I get why Lynch gets the leeway he does.....the funny thing is, Lynch's most commercially successful endeavor by far was Twin Peaks first season, because it was basically mainstream and followed a coherent story was well paced, while inserting moments of Lunch's strangness in palatable chunks.

I am highly interested in seeing where he goes with this revival, and especially in seeing Cooper's story. I find it pretty daring that Lynch has decided to make this third season so tediously paced and scattershot, like most of his films. I know alot of die hard Twin Peak fans hate it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72597764


I highly doubt that you really know any die hard Twin Peaks fans. Because I do. And not one of them is disappointed. If anything, any that thought it might not be that good are freaking out at just how good it actually is. And "boring and awful". Come on, you sound like a complete fool. The staunchest critics of Lynch aren't even coming close to saying anything like that. It's about as far from "boring and awful" as you can get on television.

Funny, I looked up this one's ID number and they've NEVER started a thread OR posted to any other thread on GLP except for this one.

What does that tell you?








Other random things noticed...

The "worrier" in the beginning of the episode talking to the two hit men who are after Dougie sends "Argent 2" to the black box device in Argentina, which lights up and beeps twice.

Evil Coop appears to send a message to this box as well during his phone call in jail when he inputs the code into the phone and says "the cow jumped over the moon." The box lights up and beeps twice yet again before shrinking.

These people are all working together?

Who is Mr. Strawberry? The Warden appears to think the name is of significance.

Evil Coop doesn't seem to need to eat or sleep, and his face morphs and distorts into BOB's in the mirror in his cell when he says "You're still with me. That's good."

Why is Dougie/Coop crying when he looks at Sonny Jim?

Janey E tells Dougie/Coop to call the men they owe money to when he gets to work, but we never see him make that call.

Later when he's done at work it's getting very dark, and since he doesn't have his car we have to assume Janey E was going to be picking him up. Yet she is nowhere to be found. Have the men they owe money to caught up to them?

She also mentions that Dougie has had "episodes" of acting strange before.

I love that Dr. Jacoby is doing a conspiracy themed broadcast, advertisements and all. Everyone was so curious what the gold shovels were and it turns out he's selling them as Dr. Amp's Gold Shit-Digging Shovels for $29.99.

Major Garland Brigg's prints have appeared 16 times in 25 years.

Tammy noticed an anomaly in Cooper's prints when compared to Evil Cooper's. She looked very concerned.
 Quoting: Sweetroll Bandit


Just out of curiosity, why do you "love that Dr. Jacoby is doing a conspiracy themed broadcast, advertisements and all", when it's intended to mock people just like all of us here, on GLP?

(For the record, Mark Frost, co-writer of Twin Peaks, has repeatedly expressed his hatred of "conspiracy theorists" on his personal Twitter account - even going so far as to Retweet a post about wanting to literally punch conspiracy theorists in the face, a while back. You really should read through his Tweets, if you haven't already.)

There is actually a great deal of "Anti-Truth" programming hidden within the series. I'm surprised that so many people here are completely blind to that fact, and that they're being more sycophantic than analytical, when viewing the series.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75028059


Another AC idiot with NO record of ever having started a thread OR replied to any other thread except for this one here and again below. Too funny! Probably the same fool that posted the one above under a different ID number. As I'll show you, they have their own agenda.

But hey, I'll bite...

I love Dr. Jacoby's show because it's funny. What - you can't laugh at yourself? Besides, he didn't say anything about Trump. And this is WAY more of a Trump site than a conspiracy site these days.

Who cares about anybody's tweets? We're not here because of what anybody on the show thinks politically, religiously or otherwise. If I stopped watching movies and television or listening to anyone's music that I disagreed with I wouldn't have much left to choose from for entertainment.

And we're not blind to anything here. We're simply enjoying a piece of cinematic art that we love and which has some compelling mysteries about it that we can analyze and try and figure out. So we know what's going on. ON THE SHOW! We're not here to read conspiracy BS into it. I think you're blind to the fact that we're just enjoying a piece of art and each other's opinions about the art.








I'm a tweaker. Does that fit the genre?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33648624


Sure. You'd probably dig the show. There's plenty of people on there just like you that have completely ruined their lives using hard drugs. You'll feel right at home.








Other random things noticed...

The "worrier" in the beginning of the episode talking to the two hit men who are after Dougie sends "Argent 2" to the black box device in Argentina, which lights up and beeps twice.

Evil Coop appears to send a message to this box as well during his phone call in jail when he inputs the code into the phone and says "the cow jumped over the moon." The box lights up and beeps twice yet again before shrinking.

These people are all working together?

Who is Mr. Strawberry? The Warden appears to think the name is of significance.

Evil Coop doesn't seem to need to eat or sleep, and his face morphs and distorts into BOB's in the mirror in his cell when he says "You're still with me. That's good."

Why is Dougie/Coop crying when he looks at Sonny Jim?

Janey E tells Dougie/Coop to call the men they owe money to when he gets to work, but we never see him make that call.

Later when he's done at work it's getting very dark, and since he doesn't have his car we have to assume Janey E was going to be picking him up. Yet she is nowhere to be found. Have the men they owe money to caught up to them?

She also mentions that Dougie has had "episodes" of acting strange before.

I love that Dr. Jacoby is doing a conspiracy themed broadcast, advertisements and all. Everyone was so curious what the gold shovels were and it turns out he's selling them as Dr. Amp's Gold Shit-Digging Shovels for $29.99.

Major Garland Brigg's prints have appeared 16 times in 25 years.

Tammy noticed an anomaly in Cooper's prints when compared to Evil Cooper's. She looked very concerned.
 Quoting: Sweetroll Bandit


Just out of curiosity, why do you "love that Dr. Jacoby is doing a conspiracy themed broadcast, advertisements and all", when it's intended to mock people just like all of us here, on GLP?

(For the record, Mark Frost, co-writer of Twin Peaks, has repeatedly expressed his hatred of "conspiracy theorists" on his personal Twitter account - even going so far as to Retweet a post about wanting to literally punch conspiracy theorists in the face, a while back. You really should read through his Tweets, if you haven't already.)

There is actually a great deal of "Anti-Truth" programming hidden within the series. I'm surprised that so many people here are completely blind to that fact, and that they're being more sycophantic than analytical, when viewing the series.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75028059


Because everyone (including myself) was over-analyzing those silly gold shovels wondering if they had this deep meaning. I found it to be funny that it ended up being something so trivial and silly.

If anything I think it was mocking other sites and over-enthusiastic radio show hosts who are always trying to push their own agendas and sell some sort of merchandise, not GLP.

And I was also very happy to see Nadine listening to the broadcast! Was hoping to see her soon.

(For the record, I don't read anyone's Tweets or what they share on FB or anything like that, because I detest most social media.)

There's a lot hidden in the series and if you don't care for it then you don't have to watch it, simple as that. I enjoy the mystery and mythology behind it all.

In case you missed it, there are 7 pages before this one where we are indeed analyzing the series. It isn't perfect and we're not pretending it is, but it is definitely interesting!

I'm sorry you felt the need to nitpick that one section from my post and take it out of context instead of actually contributing to the thread. Thanks for bumping though! grouphug

dalethumbsupgif
 Quoting: Sweetroll Bandit


Yeah, always nice to get a free bump.








I don't watch the show but I'll give this a bump

grinning
 Quoting: InfiniteDream


Well, there ya go. Ask and you shall receive. And this time we got a free bump without having to get a lecture from a troll.








tv makes you an idiot. stop it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75027525


I agree. But this isn't just TV. This is David Lynch TV.








sbaudreysmile hugs
 Quoting: Sweetroll Bandit


dalewtf








Having never watched the original series, I did watch the first episode of the original last week. The last 5 minutes were the strangest thing I've seen on TV in a while. Can I enjoy the new series without having to go through all of the old episodes?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71128502


I wouldn't if I were you. It's well worth taking your time and watching from the beginning. Watch the Pilot, Season 1, Season 2, the Fire Walk With Me movie, and if you can find it a thing called The Missing Pieces (and, if not, then read the original shooting script for Fire Walk With Me that you can find online).








Having never watched the original series, I did watch the first episode of the original last week. The last 5 minutes were the strangest thing I've seen on TV in a while. Can I enjoy the new series without having to go through all of the old episodes?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71128502


David Lynch himself recommends at the very least watching Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me, which is the prequel movie to the series.

But as BEAST and others have pointed out it's definitely beneficial to watch the first two seasons and the movie to get a full understanding, otherwise you might be a little lost with some of the details.
 Quoting: Sweetroll Bandit


A "little" lost. <snicker snicker>








Beast, may I say you've got a, excuse me, damn fine thread going! I'm way behind reading, but I did scan it quickly. Awesome job on the recaps!

hf
 Quoting: Gidgemo


Thank you! I sincerely appreciate that. Catch up soon and come and join the discussions.








I might be cheating myself when I say this next part. I don't see the original series anymore on the Showtime section. So that being said, I'm watching this series on its own. If the series comes back up or they have a gigantic TP marathon by the time the last 'episode' airs, maybe I can catch up on all the stuff I've missed.

So far I'm enjoying the series and I'm happy to see somebody started a thread to analyze the stuff playing out.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75032531


I think you ARE cheating yourself, but watch it however you want, my friend. But for the record, ALL of the original series are up on Showtime. I think they even have the Fire Walk With Me movie that you should watch in between Season 2 and the new ones.








The worst fucking show I have ever tried to watch, then again I hate series shows. The only two I have ever been able to watch and really get into are TWD and LOST.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70890511


Another Einstein that probably isn't smart enough to even understand the show that they watched yet feels compelled to post negative thoughts here on our thread. The world is full of sad and lonely people, folks. Anyways, The Walking Dead is one thing, but Lost was never anything but a Twin Peaks ripoff. And I GUARANTEE you that the finale will be better than Lost's was because...well, it just couldn't possibly be any worse.








Other random things noticed...

The "worrier" in the beginning of the episode talking to the two hit men who are after Dougie sends "Argent 2" to the black box device in Argentina, which lights up and beeps twice.

Evil Coop appears to send a message to this box as well during his phone call in jail when he inputs the code into the phone and says "the cow jumped over the moon." The box lights up and beeps twice yet again before shrinking.

These people are all working together?

Who is Mr. Strawberry? The Warden appears to think the name is of significance.

Evil Coop doesn't seem to need to eat or sleep, and his face morphs and distorts into BOB's in the mirror in his cell when he says "You're still with me. That's good."

Why is Dougie/Coop crying when he looks at Sonny Jim?

Janey E tells Dougie/Coop to call the men they owe money to when he gets to work, but we never see him make that call.

Later when he's done at work it's getting very dark, and since he doesn't have his car we have to assume Janey E was going to be picking him up. Yet she is nowhere to be found. Have the men they owe money to caught up to them?

She also mentions that Dougie has had "episodes" of acting strange before.

I love that Dr. Jacoby is doing a conspiracy themed broadcast, advertisements and all. Everyone was so curious what the gold shovels were and it turns out he's selling them as Dr. Amp's Gold Shit-Digging Shovels for $29.99.

Major Garland Brigg's prints have appeared 16 times in 25 years.

Tammy noticed an anomaly in Cooper's prints when compared to Evil Cooper's. She looked very concerned.
 Quoting: Sweetroll Bandit


Just out of curiosity, why do you "love that Dr. Jacoby is doing a conspiracy themed broadcast, advertisements and all", when it's intended to mock people just like all of us here, on GLP?

(For the record, Mark Frost, co-writer of Twin Peaks, has repeatedly expressed his hatred of "conspiracy theorists" on his personal Twitter account - even going so far as to Retweet a post about wanting to literally punch conspiracy theorists in the face, a while back. You really should read through his Tweets, if you haven't already.)

There is actually a great deal of "Anti-Truth" programming hidden within the series. I'm surprised that so many people here are completely blind to that fact, and that they're being more sycophantic than analytical, when viewing the series.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75028059


Because everyone (including myself) was over-analyzing those silly gold shovels wondering if they had this deep meaning. I found it to be funny that it ended up being something so trivial and silly.

If anything I think it was mocking other sites and over-enthusiastic radio show hosts who are always trying to push their own agendas and sell some sort of merchandise, not GLP.

And I was also very happy to see Nadine listening to the broadcast! Was hoping to see her soon.

(For the record, I don't read anyone's Tweets or what they share on FB or anything like that, because I detest most social media.)

There's a lot hidden in the series and if you don't care for it then you don't have to watch it, simple as that. I enjoy the mystery and mythology behind it all.

In case you missed it, there are 7 pages before this one where we are indeed analyzing the series. It isn't perfect and we're not pretending it is, but it is definitely interesting!

I'm sorry you felt the need to nitpick that one section from my post and take it out of context instead of actually contributing to the thread. Thanks for bumping though!
grouphug

dalethumbsupgif
 Quoting: Sweetroll Bandit



You aren't actually analyzing it, though.

That's the whole problem.

This is a conspiracy forum, but everyone in this thread seems so hung up on which character is doing what (and so on and so forth) that you're missing the most important thing: Films and television shows put a person in a hypnotic state - one in which imagery, ideas, and other "programming" may be easily implanted. These things become very deeply embedded in that viewer's mind, often without their conscious knowledge or consent.

However, these things still have a long-lasting effect on the person's subconscious processing and behaviors.

Thus, it is extremely important that people be cautious about what it is that they view, and allow into their minds. Especially when it comes to shows like "Twin Peaks".

This is a conspiracy forum, and my comment specifically pertains to the topic of conspiracies and "Twin Peaks". How is that not "actually contributing to the thread"?

You just don't seem to get it, at all. You certainly wouldn't be so flippant and sarcastic, if you did. You would also realize that I didn't take your comment out of context, at all.

It isn't about "not caring for it", either. I'm telling you, I know for a concrete fact that there are some sinister things involved in all of this. I worked in Hollywood for many years, and there is much more to the dark imagery and messages than what you are comprehending.

It's quite sad that you won't even take a moment to investigate things yourself, too. This isn't about your feelings about social media - it's about knowing what you're exposing your brain to. Nowadays, though, it seems people are more concerned about what they put in their physical bodies than what they allow into their minds.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75028059


You never worked in Hollywood a day in your life. You're emulating the guy in the video you're building up to post here. I know your type and what you're trying to do here - trying to spew YOUR way of thinking onto others. Twin Peaks is NOT evil. It's a television show made by a visionary artist who happens to be using the television medium for this project. Period! If you don't like it, don't watch it. You're obviously jealous as hell. You probably flunked out of film school.

And this is certainly NOT a conspiracy forum like it used to be. Or are you too dim witted to have noticed that. And THIS is NOT a thread about conspiracies about the show. It's just about the show.

Look, television in general is full of propaganda. Agreed. And watching too much of it is really not good for you or your psyche. Agreed. But we're just enjoying what to some of us is the best television show ever made. PERIOD! Just like Star Trek geeks or Star Wars geeks or friggin' NFL geeks. This is OUR big thing to watch and analyze to death for the next few months. So screw off to some other thread. There should be the 2,486th thread about Fukushima starting up soon. Maybe you can go add something over there. Because you quite obviously have NOTHING to add here.








tv makes you an idiot. stop it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75027525


hesright
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75032742


I know. He IS right. Don't do drugs, kids! But a little shep supporter39; Twin Peaks won't kill ya. OR turn your mind into gravy. Promise!








Twin Peaks returned to television on Sunday, May 21st. This thread is for those that are interested in discussing the series - what happened in the past on the show and the prequel movie, what is happening in the current new season, and thoughts about what it all might mean and what may be coming in the end.

As a HUGE fan of the original series - I was even present for some of the filming of the Fire Walk With Me movie - I am more than just a little thrilled with the best show EVER on television's return. Last night's premiere was spectacular.

IT IS HAPPENING AGAIN!

I am well versed in Twin Peaks for those that wish to have a serious discussion about any and all aspects of the show. I can answer most questions or can guide you to a better understanding of the show if you want. Or we can just discuss and debate some of the many things which - for now, anyways - have no solid answers.


twinpeakslove
 Quoting: BEAST333


Aleister Crowley on the new Twin Peaks [link to www.whoiskjozborne.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73809098


And this is where the true agenda of this troll becomes apparent. Because they end with a video about Satanism in Twin Peaks.

Look, I'm not gonna defend Hollywood against Satanism. But I will defend David Lynch. He is anything but a Satanist. Then again, neither was Crowley. You seem to think that anything that doesn't fit into your religious patterns is of the devil.

The video linked is called David Lynch, Aleister Crowley, & Satanism In Twin Peaks. It was made by a guy named KJ Ozborne who has done some decent work in the past exposing some truths. The thing is, like most religious zealots that take a good idea and go overboard with it, he sees demons everywhere. And to prove his point, he stretches the truth and blatantly lies (like most religious zealots tend to do when faced with being wrong).

For example, he continually mentions the connection to The Waiting Room/Lodges by saying that they represent Saturn due to the PURPLE curtains. Now, for all I know this guy sells such little religious propaganda that he can't buy himself a decent television with real colors in the picture. But if you're watching - the friggin' curtains are a deep red color - NOT PURPLE.

He also claims in the video that when Major Briggs' head floats by in space (in Part 3) and says "blue rose" it is actually the head of Aleister Crowley. Which means this idiot is a baldist. They all look alike to him. You sure it wasn't the head of Vin Diesel?

Anyways, Aleister Crowley DOES figure in the story since one of his magick partners - Jack Parsons of Jet Propulsion Laboratory fame - wore the Owl Cave Ring for awhile (according to The Secret History Of Twin Peaks).

But the video has led us to yet another clue. And this, perhaps, could start to explain the meaning behind the "blue rose" case.

So I went and dug out my old Thoth Tarot deck that I've had for eons - painted by Lady Frieda Harris according to instructions from Aleister Crowley - and lo and behold. There WAS a clue. Within the description of the Two Of Swords - the card known as Peace. Here is the description of that card...

This card is ruled by Chokmah in the Element of Air. This suit, governing all intellectual manifestations, is always complicated and disordered. It is subject to change as is no other suit. It represents a general shaking-up, resulting from the conflict of Fire and Water in their marriage; and proceeds, when Earth appears, to crystallization. But the purity and exaltation of Chokmah are such that this card manifests the very best idea possible to the suit. The energy abides above the onslaught of disruption. This comparative calm is emphasized by the celestial attribution: the Moon in Libra.

The Moon is change, but Nature is peaceful; moreover, Libra represents balance; between them, they regulate the energy of the Swords.

In the card appear two swords crossed; they are united by a blue rose with five petals. This rose represents the influence of the Mother, whose harmonizing influence compounds the latent antagonism native to the suit. The Rose emits white rays, producing a geometrical pattern that emphasizes the equilibrium of the symbol.









You aren't actually analyzing it, though.

That's the whole problem.

This is a conspiracy forum, but everyone in this thread seems so hung up on which character is doing what (and so on and so forth) that you're missing the most important thing: Films and television shows put a person in a hypnotic state - one in which imagery, ideas, and other "programming" may be easily implanted. These things become very deeply embedded in that viewer's mind, often without their conscious knowledge or consent.

However, these things still have a long-lasting effect on the person's subconscious processing and behaviors.

Thus, it is extremely important that people be cautious about what it is that they view, and allow into their minds. Especially when it comes to shows like "Twin Peaks".

This is a conspiracy forum, and my comment specifically pertains to the topic of conspiracies and "Twin Peaks". How is that not "actually contributing to the thread"?

You just don't seem to get it, at all. You certainly wouldn't be so flippant and sarcastic, if you did. You would also realize that I didn't take your comment out of context, at all.

It isn't about "not caring for it", either. I'm telling you, I know for a concrete fact that there are some sinister things involved in all of this. I worked in Hollywood for many years, and there is much more to the dark imagery and messages than what you are comprehending.

It's quite sad that you won't even take a moment to investigate things yourself, too. This isn't about your feelings about social media - it's about knowing what you're exposing your brain to. Nowadays, though, it seems people are more concerned about what they put in their physical bodies than what they allow into their minds.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75028059

You are totally entitled to your opinion of course, and I do agree with some of what you're saying. hf

You don't have to feel sad for me at all. I'd actually be interested in hearing more of your thoughts on the show and the programming that you're seeing in it, especially if you're an insider! That's certainly intriguing and something I'm sure others would like to discuss as well.

Believe me, I know this isn't about how I feel about social media. wink I was merely responding to your comment about Tweets made by writers for the show.

I didn't mean to be flippant and sarcastic, just trying to respond in a positive way instead of getting aggressive like some people can. Again, sorry you took something I said the wrong way. It can happen, especially between strangers on a forum. :)
 Quoting: Sweetroll Bandit


Around this point, I got a message from Sweetroll Bandit in my mailbox. She was trying to hold down the fort here and still be nice even though she was starting to feel a little bullied. I told her not to worry about being nice to people who are rude and/or bullies and trying to disrupt the thread and to just ignore them.

I imagine that Sweetroll Bandit drove this one off because she was so nice. They don't feed on nice.








I could be wrong but isn't the conspiracy Dr. Jacoby just like Alex J.?

Telling some truths, but selling snake oil stuff at the same time.
In this case a "fake" golden shovel to dig deeper into the truth, or to clean the swamp?
 Quoting: Diener und Herr zugleich


You mean like the way that he was screaming to the point where he had to take a break and sip on some huckleberry juice just to keep from popping a blood vessel? And then after only a few minutes of monologue ranting it went into a commercial to sell people placebo crap that they don't really need and which won't really work?

Nah, not similar at all...








I could be wrong but isn't the conspiracy Dr. Jacoby just like Alex J.?

Telling some truths, but selling snake oil stuff at the same time.
In this case a "fake" golden shovel to dig deeper into the truth, or to clean the swamp?
 Quoting: Diener und Herr zugleich


Indeed, that's who I was reminded of as well. They both have similar energy and marketing strategies.

He's always been a very eccentric person. I was wondering what he'd been up to since he lost his medical license.
 Quoting: Sweetroll Bandit


And now we know. I still won't be surprised if he ends up popping somebody in the head with one of those golden shovels if they come snooping around his cabin in the woods. Maybe he'll be the one to finally take down Evil Cooper.








I could be wrong but isn't the conspiracy Dr. Jacoby just like Alex J.?

Telling some truths, but selling snake oil stuff at the same time.
In this case a "fake" golden shovel to dig deeper into the truth, or to clean the swamp?
 Quoting: Diener und Herr zugleich


Indeed, that's who I was reminded of as well. They both have similar energy and marketing strategies.

He's always been a very eccentric person. I was wondering what he'd been up to since he lost his medical license.
 Quoting: Sweetroll Bandit


hommage ide imagine , but..

did anyone notice where the creme corn ended up ?



is the magician at play?

funbox
 Quoting: funbox


Maybe. But it's magick with a "k".








Twin Peaks returned to television on Sunday, May 21st. This thread is for those that are interested in discussing the series - what happened in the past on the show and the prequel movie, what is happening in the current new season, and thoughts about what it all might mean and what may be coming in the end.

As a HUGE fan of the original series - I was even present for some of the filming of the Fire Walk With Me movie - I am more than just a little thrilled with the best show EVER on television's return. Last night's premiere was spectacular.

IT IS HAPPENING AGAIN!

I am well versed in Twin Peaks for those that wish to have a serious discussion about any and all aspects of the show. I can answer most questions or can guide you to a better understanding of the show if you want. Or we can just discuss and debate some of the many things which - for now, anyways - have no solid answers.


twinpeakslove
 Quoting: BEAST333


it was a worthless show that nobdy ever cared about made a mention in a freddy movie then the nobdy watched it now its a big deal its an ok show the first season is good the second goes to shit
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74470995


WoW! Judging by the rambling sentence, the horrible spelling and the lack of any punctuation I think I can safely say that you are in no way intelligent enough to watch and understand Twin Peaks. So go back and watch some more Jackass reruns and let the adults and trolls continue on with the thread.








Beast33 is not my spirit guide to this show. Somewhat interesting stuff you write but not really digging where you lead the reader.

Obviously Buckhorn has those goings-on going on. But why Buckhorn?

The relationship of the couple in the car is obvious too. But why the sky staring etc? Artsy fartsy bullpucky perhaps?

Why does Beast333 dismiss this intelligent commentary? Notice Dr. Jacoby as talk-show dissenter has Nazi-like regalia on? He's not being portrayed as something altogether good here. Mr. Frost's commentary regarding social issues is pertinent to this discussion.

Do you know who Showtime is?

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Look who its owners are.

What building is the inter-dimensional gateway in?

Look at :25 - :35 seconds here:



Could it be?

[link to www.bing.com]

Let's talk about watching an idiot box and what may spring from it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73898434


No, I'd rather pick apart what you just said. (This is another Anonymous Coward that made an account just to post to THIS thread. They have never started a thread or posted to ANY other thread with this account. It was made just to give me and the thread a hard time. So INSTANT FAIL!)

First off, I'm not trying to be a "spirit guide" to ANYBODY. Especially not someone who seems belligerent and selfish like you. If you don't like what I'm doing here then leave. Or quit posting your stupid crap like this. We're trying to have a discussion about a television show here.

Why Buckhorn? Because that's what they named it.

Why the sky staring? Because it was cinematically beautiful. But, from the negative way you seem to view the world, I doubt that you even remember what beauty is.

I'm certainly not dismissing any intelligent commentary. What I'm dismissing is unintelligent commentary. Have you read Mark Frost's book - The Secret History Of Twin Peaks? I'm guessing no, since it weaves all sorts of conspiracy theories within the FICTIONALIZED story of Twin Peaks. Who cares if Dr. Jacoby isn't being portrayed as something "good"? He's a character on a television show and we've been waiting over 25 years to see what happened to him and why. For God's sake, it's like you are simply TOO STUPID to understand that we are just watching and talking about the show.

And so Mark Frost is a friggin' snowflake. Big deal. So are most of the buffoons in Hollywood. You think you're telling me something that I don't know. Frost is also a great writer. And that's all he has to do with this discussion. And, in fact, he is very secondary. Literally had nothing to do with the movie. And when asked a few months ago how he liked the ending of the new shows he said he didn't know yet because David hadn't finished editing it yet. Mark Frost helped to write the new shows, but hasn't had a lot to do with actual production since the second season.

And yes, I know who owns Showtime. So what? Viacom owns a fifth of ALL of the channels. And the CBS affiliation is one reason this all came together since they own the rights to all of the old shows now.

The freemasons are in the book as well. So all your alluding to the Masonic Temple building in New York - which the building clearly isn't - is wrong. Though if it was, it would certainly fit well into the plot.










"(For the record, Mark Frost, co-writer of Twin Peaks, has repeatedly expressed his hatred of "conspiracy theorists" on his personal Twitter account - even going so far as to Retweet a post about wanting to literally punch conspiracy theorists in the face, a while back. You really should read through his Tweets, if you haven't already.)"


I believe you, but it doesn't make sense.
Major Briggs was all about conspiracy, the real deal, not the Jacoby level.

1dunno1
 Quoting: Diener und Herr zugleich


He hasn't read Frost's book nor does he seem to understand what fiction is.








What building is the inter-dimensional gateway in?

Look at :25 - :35 seconds here:



Could it be?

[link to www.bing.com]

Let's talk about watching an idiot box and what may spring from it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73898434


That's not the same building at all. Cool idea though.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73117666


Even if it was it doesn't matter in the way that they're trying to present it to be.








Anyways, with all of that behind us, I think it's time to look a little closer at Part 5. So here's a Part 5 synopsis followed by some new questions...


PART 5

---OPENING CREDITS - Laura Palmer's face superimposed over the falls and then as it fades - brand new shots of the falls, the red curtains from The Waiting Room/Black Lodge, and the floor of The Waiting Room/Black Lodge.
---Las Vegas, Nevada - In the Rancho Rosa housing development, Jake and Gene sit parked outside the house where Dougie Jones' car still sits; they report this to a woman named Lorraine who they deem to be a "worrier"; she sends a coded message - that says ARGENT 2 with the numbers 159 in the upper right-hand corner - to a small black box sitting in a bowl inside a dilapidated shack somewhere; the black box blinks two red dots twice and then goes silent.
---Buckhorn, South Dakota - Crime Scene Investigator Constance Talbot explains to Detective Dave Macklay and Detective Don Harrison that the cause of death for their John Doe was decapitation; the man hadn't eaten for days, but she found an inscribed wedding band in his stomach that reads "To Dougie With Love Janey-E".
---Sioux City, South Dakota - Evil Cooper sits in his prison cell; he knows EXACTLY when the guard will be bringing food and promptly throws it away (he apparently doesn't need to eat or sleep); he goes to the sink to wash up and sees his reflection in the mirrow which makes him think back at time spent in The Black Lodge with BOB; then he flashes back to the mirror scene in The Great Northern from the final episode of Season 2; still looking in the mirror he sees that BOB is still inside of him and says, "you're still with me, that's good".
---Twin Peaks, Washington - We see Mike Nelson (wearing a wedding ring) at work going over some job résumés; he calls Steven Burnett into his office to inform him that his résumé was one of the worst written that he has ever seen - the forms were not even filled out correctly; he tells Steven to get his act together if he ever wants to get hired by anybody and then promptly throws him out of his office; at the Sheriff's Department, Sheriff Frank Truman is talking to his brother - Harry S. Truman - who is apparently having some more tests run; Lucy informs him that his wife, Doris, is on the way to Hawk's office (where he is making the call to his brother); Doris - played by Candy Clark who was David Bowie's love interest in The Man Who Fell To Earth - comes in with all of her domestic problems to complain to Frank about including a leaking pipe that she's afraid will cause black mold in her house; Frank assures her that he called to have it fixed and tells her to buy a bigger bucket in the meantime; Doris then complains that he'll let her buy a bucket but not the new rug that she really wants; and then she complains about her dad's "death trap" car needing fixing and Frank tells her that Sammy took a look at it and said that it is fine.
---Las Vegas, Nevada - The day begins for the Jones family; Janey-E tells Sonny Jim to get in the car and then fixes Dougie Cooper's tie while telling him that she counted the money - $425,000 - and hid it in their "secret place" and that he should contact the men about paying off his $50,000 debt; Dougie Cooper sees Sonny Jim in the backseat of their car looking very dejected and it causes Dougie to shed a tear; Dougie Cooper then blinks his eyes a few times and when the camera goes back to Sonny Jim, he also blinks; Janey-E realizes that Dougie's car is not there and that she will have to drive him to work; back in the Rancho Rosa housing development, Jake and Gene pull up to the house once again and see Dougie's car is STILL there (you can also see the outside of the Drugged-out Mother's house across the street which seems to have a strange symbol above it's doorway); as soon as they drive away a car with what looks like a bunch of gang members pulls up and check out Dougie's car for a minute and then drive away; Janey-E arrives at Dougie's work, but Dougie doesn't get out of the car; she mentions that she thinks that he is having one of his "episodes" as she unbuckles him and shoves him out of the car; on his way across the plaza he notices a statue of a man holding a gun and becomes temporarily mesmerized (behind this statue is another piece of art that has several red balloons attached to it) holding his own hand out like it has a gun; once inside the office building Dougie Cooper doesn't have a clue where to go until a co-worker carrying coffees, Phil Bisby, sees him and tells him that the staff meeting starts in three minutes; Dougie Cooper follows Phil into the elevator and talks him into giving him one of the coffees - Phil didn't bring one for him since he didn't know if Dougie would be there so he give him Frank's - which Phil calls "damn good Joe"; as they walk to the staff meeting we learn that Dougie works for Lucky 7 Insurance; another co-worker, Anthony Sinclair, tells Dougie Cooper that he has been covering for him and that he now owes him "big time"; we watch as married co-worker Darren fails at hitting on co-worker Rhonda; co-worker Frank is mad that Phil gave Dougie his coffee; the boss - ex-boxer Bushnell 'Battling Bud' Mullins - calls the meeting to order and tells Dougie to sit down; as Sinclair presents a report for an insurance payout that needs to be made, Dougie Cooper sees a flashing green light on Sinclair's face and blurts out "he's lying"; Bushnell Mullins orders Dougie to his office after the meeting; in Bushnell Mullins' office, Dougie Cooper looks greatly affected when his boss uses the word "agent"; Mullins gives Dougie Cooper a pile of case files that he wants assessments for by the next day; leaving Bushnell's office, Dougie Cooper needs to urinate and stands pacing in the hallway until Rhonda - after offering to let Dougie kiss her which he declines - let's him use the women's bathroom; meanwhile, at the Silver Mustang Casino, the casino's Supervisor Burns rewatches the tapes of Dougie Cooper winning all of the slot machines previously (you can see an odd green light in the upper right-hand corner of the recording); mob boss Bradley Mitchum and his brother Rodney pay Supervisor Burns a visit about the large payout to Dougie Cooper; Rodney beats Burns, Bradley tells him to leave town and then gives his job to Pit Boss Warrick telling him to let them know if Dougie Cooper EVER comes back into the casino; at the Rancho Rosa housing development, the Drugged-out Mother's kid goes across the street to see what the man stuck underneath Dougie's car; just as the kid is about to blow himself up, the gangbangers return, shoo the kid away, break into Dougie's car, start it up, and three of the five gang members die in the resulting explosion; the kid returns to his house to watch the fire, the Drugged-out Mother wakes from her stupor, and we see that there is also a red balloon on the floor behind her; the prostitute Jade is getting her car washed and a car detailer finds Dougie Cooper's Great Northern room key in the car, and since it has a "please mail to" address on the back of the key, Jade tosses it in the nearest mailbox.
---Twin Peaks, Washington - At the RR Diner, Norma sits in a booth going over bills as the original waitress Heidi is serving; Toad the cook takes a delivery of bread from Becky - Shelly's daughter - who then hits her mom up for some money; as she leaves we see her getting into a white sports car with a idiot emblazoned on the hood and driven by Steven Burnett, Becky's husband, who failed the job interview earlier with Mike; Norma talks to Shelly about helping Becky NOW since it will only be harder to help her later (they both know this scenario all too well); Steven takes the money that Becky just got from Shelly ($72) and then sees Norma and Shelly watching them out the window and moves the car; Stevens tells Becky to kiss him and then pulls out some coke for her to snort; Becky is upset that he has done so much of it already; she snorts a line and then we watch a great cinematic moment - looking down on Becky to the sound of The Paris Sisters song from 1961 "I Love How You Love Me" - as Becky gets off on the drug and suddenly becomes happy with life.
---Las Vegas, Nevada - At the Lucky 7 Insurance company, Dougie is clutching the stack of case files and standing backwards in an elevator; when it arrives in the lobby, Dougie is blocking everybody's exit (the last man out of the elevator seems to make an odd gesture); Dougie walks outside and begins, once again, to stare at the statue of the lawman in the courtyard (and there seems to now be only one red balloon on the nearby piece of art).
---Twin Peaks, Washington - Hawk and Andy sit in the conference room pouring over all of the documents related to the death of Laura Palmer and the missing Agent Cooper; Andy asks Hawk if he has found any Indians anywhere and Hawk replies "no"; it's 7:00pm and Dr. Jacoby - or Dr. Amp - is on the air with an internet conspiracy show podcast; we see Jerry Horne out in the woods somewhere lighting up a joint and watching, as well as Nadine (wearing a wedding ring) sipping on what looks to be a protein shake; Dr. Jacoby as Dr. Amp rants about the poisoning of our environment and then takes a hammer and bangs it on a hanging golden shovel; he hits a button and a pre-recorded ad comes on the podcast for Dr. Amp's Gold Shit-Digging Shovel for just $29.99.
---Arlington, Virginia - At the Pentagon, Lieutenant Cynthia Knox enters Colonel Davis' office to let him know that they had another database hit on fingerprints belonging to Major Garland Briggs - the 16th hit in 25 years; Colonel Davis tells Lieutenant Knox to go to South Dakota and reminds her that if this is real they will have to alert the FBI.
---Twin Peaks, Washington - At The Bang Bang Bar (aka The Roadhouse), a band called Trouble is playing (led by Lynch's son Riley on guitar); a man - Richard Horne - sits smoking a cigarette under a No Smoking sign at the bar watching the band; he is told to put the cigarette out to which he replies "make me" to the bar worker; Deputy Chad Broxford steps in and says he'll take care of it, but all he does is ask for a cigarette; Richard hands him a pack of Morley's and tells him to keep it (inside is a wad of cash - obviously a payoff of some kind); four girls sit at the next table over looking at Richard; one of the girls - Charlotte - asks Richard for a light for her cigarette and he grabs her viciously and asks her if she wants to have sex with him; he laughs at her friend Elizabeth and the rest of the "smokin' babies" and then says he's gonna laugh when he has sex with Charlotte.
---Philadelphia, Pennsylvania - At FBI Headquarters, Agent Tammy Preston sits in a cubicle comparing pictures of Agent Cooper and Evil Cooper; when she compares the fingerprints, it appears that one set is different from the other.
---Sioux City, South Dakota - In the federal prison, Warden Murphy gives Evil Cooper his one phone call and prepares to tape it for Gordon Cole and the FBI to hear; Evil Cooper knows that he is being taped and talks directly to the camera; when he asks "who should I call - should I call Mr. Strawberry" and the warden looks visibly shaken; Evil Cooper adds "I don't think he's taking calls"; he then begins to dial the phone and a deafening noise erupts - with all of the prison's alarms going off at once; Evil Cooper says "the cow jumped over the moon" into the phone and then hangs up (which immediately stops all of the alarms.
---Buenos Aires, Argentina - The small black box sitting in a bowl inside a dilapidated shack that Lorraine called earlier is in Argentina; after Evil Cooper's call, it blinks two red dots just like before and then shrinks down into what looks like a silver nugget.
---Las Vegas, Nevada - It is now late and dark and Dougie Cooper still stands at the statue outside the offices of Lucky 7 Insurance seemingly obsessed with the statue's shoes; a security passes by and tells him that there's no loitering and to move it along.
---CLOSING CREDITS - Dougie Cooper continues to stare at the statue and it's shoes as the credits roll; this episode is dedicated "In Memory Of Marv Rosand - Toad (the RR Diner's cook).








Not as intense as some of the previous parts, but this one had a lot of meat and potatoes as far as information is concerned. It was all about the case files. And, of course, it left us with some new questions. So here's a list of some things that I came up with from Part 5 (if you can think of any more, please list them)...



QUESTIONS

1.) Who is Lorraine and exactly who does she work for? Who hired all of these people? Evil Cooper? And what about that "Mikey" guy that Gene and Jake mentioned back in Part 4? Is he the ringleader?
2.) What does the message "ARGENT 2" mean as well as the number "159"? I'm guessing that the ARGENT stands for Argentina, but what about the 2 (and please note that 159 becomes 15 or 6)?
3.) What exactly IS the black box? Where did it come from? Who put it in the barn in Argentina? And what exactly is it's function?
4.) Why had the John Doe in Buckhorn not eaten for days? Was he a Black Lodge resident like Evil Cooper and therefore had no need for food or sleep (remember - Ruth Davenport was also missing for three days, as was Dougie Jones)?
5.) Why and how is Dougie Jones' wedding ring in the John Doe's stomach? My brain is having a hard time wrapping around this whole thing - how about all of you? Why would Major Briggs, or a doppelgänger, or ANYONE have Dougie's wedding ring in their stomach?
6.) Does Evil Cooper never eat or sleep and, if so, is that true of ALL doppelgängers? And how does this tie in with the other people who haven't eaten for three days (remember that when we first met Evil Cooper's mechanic Jack in the diner he was on his third plate of food like he hadn't eaten for quite awhile)?
7.) Where does Mike Nelson work? I doubt that it's a Twin Peaks branch of the Lucky 7 Insurance company, but what type of business does he hire for?
8.) Who is Mike Nelson married to? Could it be Nadine?
9.) What kind of tests are being run on Sheriff Harry S. Truman? I'm guessing that it's cancer of some kind and that they're steadily marching us towards a Twin Peaks funeral.
10.) Who is the Sammy that worked on Sheriff Frank Truman's wife's father's car? I'm guessing that he works at Big Ed's Gas farm, but who is he exactly and who are his parents?
11.) Why does Dougie start crying suddenly when he sees a dejected looking Sonny Jim sitting in the car? The kid looks sad and all, but there seems to be a WAY deeper connection between these two - is Sonny Jim really a young Dale Cooper? Are the tears being shed because Sonny Jim grows up to be Richard Horne? I know, I know, but this is a twisted story so you never know, right?
12.) Why do both Dougie and Sonny Jim then blink? Could Sonny Jim be blinking backwards in this scene? It's an odd looking blink and if you play it backwards it looks way more normal - so was this done on purpose and because Sonny Jim was made out of Cooper's DNA that he dripped in The Black Lodge he is also considered a partial denizen of the Lodges?
13.) What is the odd symbol above the Drugged-Out Mother's door? It looks like some sort of rune, but I can't find anything that looks like it at all - anybody know what this symbol is supposed to mean?
14.) What exactly are the "episodes" that Dougie has that Janey-E mentions? She makes it sound like he's had a few of them and that they result in him acting similar to the way that he is acting now - so do these "episodes" have anything to do with The Waiting Room/Lodges?
15.) Why is Dougie Cooper obsessed with the statue in the courtyard of his office building (especially it's gun and, at the end of the day, it's shoes)? The statue bears a striking resemblance to Phillip Jeffries (or, more to the point, David Bowie) but I do think that Dougie Cooper is being reminded of law enforcement in general and to Harry S. Truman in particular with the hat and all - could the shoe fixation really be because of the new pair of shoes that Harry bought from Phillip Gerard, the One-Armed shoe salesman?
16.) What exactly was Dougie Jones' relationship with Anthony Sinclair? Was Dougie Jones siphoning money out of the company along with Sinclair? Were they in this embezzlement scheme against Lucky 7 Insurance together before Dougie Jones got changed into Dougie Cooper?
17.) What's with the flashing green light on Sinclair's face? This, along with The Waiting Room/Lodges symbols hovering over the slot machines and Dougie's standing around until somebody takes him to pee stuff is reminding me an AWFUL lot of a computer simulation game like The Sims - so could this be a simulation?
18.) What - if anything - is in those case files that Bushnell Mullins gives Dougie Cooper for assessments? And will the crap hit the fan when Dougie shows up the next day with them not completed? Will Dougie even make it to the office the next day or will he get dragged back to the casino later on tonight by his old buddy Bill Shaker where he will finally be confronted by the mob bosses?
19.) What exactly is Dougie Jones' relationship with office worker Rhonda? Had he been hitting on her for a long time? How many OTHER women was Dougie Jones persuing? And was there anybody else we know?
20.) What's with the weird green light on the casino film? Does the casino Supervisor have the ability to change a slot machine to being a loser when alerted by the green light that it's ready to pay out a jackpot? And is this why the mobsters are so convinced that Supervisor Burns was in on Dougie Cooper's winnings? And could Supervisor Burns have been secretly working with Dougie Jones on sharing a "won" jackpot before Dougie Cooper came along and ruined everything by winning 30 of them?
21.) Why does the Drugged-Out Mother have a red balloon on the floor of her house? There was also a red balloon at Dougie's house left over from Sonny Jim's birthday party - could the Drugged-Out Mom's kid have attended Sonny Jim's birthday party? Or did he coincidentally also have a birthday on the same day?
22.) Why does the last guy out of the elevator make a strange gesture - and appear to be laughing - as he walks away? Could this be Windom Earle - or somebody else - in disguise and following Dougie Cooper? Or is it a deaf guy giving the "thanks" symbol for someone having given him a good laugh? <My wife made me put in that last one.>
23.) Why does the number of red balloons on the artwork near the statue in the courtyard of Dougie's workplace seem to diminish to one by the time that he leaves work? Did they just all pop but one, or does this mean something?
24.) Is that a protein drink that Nadine is drinking? And, if so, does she still have super strength?
25.) Who is Nadine currently married to? Is she still Nadine Hurley and married to Big Ed? Or is it Mike Nelson? Or does some other lucky fellow share in the silent drape runner fortune?
26.) Who is Richard Horne and who are his parents? Is he Ben's kid? He looks a LOT like Jerry - is it his son? Or is it Audrey's little boy? And, if Audrey is the mother, who's the father? John Justice Wheeler? Did he die in the plane crash after impregnating her and is that how she became the billionaire? Or did Evil Cooper impregnate her before leaving the town of Twin Peaks? Or is this a completely different family of Hornes from Deer Meadow?
27.) What is the money that Richard slips to Deputy Chad Broxford for? Is this the payoff allowing the drugs - Chinese designer drugs - to get into Twin Peaks? And, if so, is Deputy Bobby Briggs involved in any of this (being in charge of the border surveillance and all)?
28.) Who is Charlotte - what is her last name and who are her parents? Is this somebody we know's kid?
29.) Who is Charlotte's friend Elizabeth - what is her last name and who are her parents? Do we know Elizabeth's mother or father?
30.) What exactly does FBI Agent Tammy Preston find when looking at Evil Cooper's pictures and fingerprints? One of the fingerprints appears to be reversed, so does Tammy now understand that she is dealing with a possible doppelgänger? And, if so, why does the lettering on the print also seem to be reversed?
31.) Who is Mr. Strawberry and why isn't he taking calls? Evil Cooper got to Warden Murphy bad - is he talking about either something personal like Murphy's dog? Or maybe referring to someone who the Warden had killed (either way, Evil Cooper let Warden Murphy know of his tremendous powers)?
32.) How exactly does Evil Cooper rig the prison's alarm system to go off? Is this all tied in to the prison schematics that he downloaded off of the computer in the hotel room back in Buckhorn?
33.) What does Evil Cooper's code phrase "the cow jumped over the moon" mean? Is this a reference to our Agent Cooper having come out of the Lodges and popped back into reality (whichever or whoever's)?
34.) What exactly happens to the black box device when it shrinks down to the size of a silver nugget, why does it do that, and what could it possibly mean? No guesses here, but since it's happening in Buenos Aires, does that mean that it has something to do with Phillip Jeffries?
35.) Where is Janey-E Jones and why isn't she picking up Dougie Cooper at the end of his work day? Did she blow Dougie off or did Gene and Jake catch up to her? Are they holding her captive to ask Dougie Cooper where she hid the money (which he won't remember)?



There you go. The more that I look into Aleister Crowley, the more clues seem to pop up. There's another book of his that may hold some information vital to this plot. I don't know. It has to do with Jack Parsons (so possibly the Owl Cave Ring) and the sex magick ritual done in order to bring a "moonchild" into existence. Some of this has top do with things mentioned in The Secret History Of Twin Peaks book and some from Crowley's own writings (like the tarot card quoted previously). I'll present it as well as a review of all of the questions from the first five parts in a day or two before I get to the Part 6 synopsis. Hopefully. Time permitting and all that. I hope everyone is having as much fun as I am with these new shows.

Part 6 will be revealed in less than 3 hours from now. So better get those cherry pies all ready to bake up and some fresh joe ready to percolate.

WARNING: Avoid coming in contact with any fish during the above procedures...


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Thru the darkness
of Future Past
the magician longs to see
one chants out
between two worlds
Fire -- walk with me


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Maybe. But it's magick with a "k".
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the magikian.. interesting ring ding to it :D

but asides from the curious spellings,
prey tell, did you see where it went?
ill not say which episode , but dont let me have to do a blow up :D

but, then ,sometimes things can happens just like,. that

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What building is the inter-dimensional gateway in?

Look at :25 - :35 seconds here:



Could it be?

[link to www.bing.com]

Let's talk about watching an idiot box and what may spring from it.
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That's not the same building at all. Cool idea though.
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Yes. It's obviously not the same literal exact building. Because you know, everything in a David Lynch presentation is literal.

It's representative. About the same height, same architecture, same era-made, same eerie look, and same NYC setting.

Beware the trolls who lead you down the darkened path.
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What building is the inter-dimensional gateway in?

Look at :25 - :35 seconds here:



Could it be?

[link to www.bing.com]

Let's talk about watching an idiot box and what may spring from it.
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That's not the same building at all. Cool idea though.
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Yes. It's obviously not the same literal exact building. Because you know, everything in a David Lynch presentation is literal.

It's representative. About the same height, same architecture, same era-made, same eerie look, and same NYC setting.

Beware the trolls who lead you down the darkened path.
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especially the ones bearing cream corn, aye ACBoB ?>
unfortunatly the gif juice was at boil and the corn couldnt hold it any longer :D bad luck OP :D

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A lot to process with that episode...

Something is obviously up with the electricity. We could see and hear that with the street lights and the power lines. If I'm not mistaken Lynch has used the idea of electricity for other projects (and wanted to for Ronnie Rocket) and seems to be continuing incorporating it into Twin Peaks.

Dougie Coop was having problems with his left arm at the beginning of the episode.

We finally get to see Diane!

It looks like Lorraine/the "worrier" finally disappointed her boss enough to be killed, and Dougie's still on the list too. Interesting assassin...

Looks like we have have another magician in town. What's up with these coins?

That leads to my final point, when Hawk follows a coin he dropped into what looks like the stall MIKE had one of his freak outs in. Did he put those notes in the door?
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2.) What does the message "ARGENT 2" mean as well as the number "159"? I'm guessing that the ARGENT stands for Argentina, but what about the 2 (and please note that 159 becomes 15 or 6)?

 Quoting: BEAST333

I'm guessing that ARGENT may have been the contact name, and since she typed "2" as the message that she had 159 characters left to type. That's what is displayed when I try to text message as well.

Just a thought. 1dunno1
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Judy ACBoB ?

ahhh...



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RE: Crowley, Parsons et al in Lynch-Land

Jack Nance: [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

"Nance died in South Pasadena, California, on December 30, 1996 under mysterious circumstances."

"Nance had a visible "crescent shaped bruise" under his eye"

Jack Parsons: [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

"Died June 17, 1952 (aged 37)
Pasadena, California, U.S."

[link to www.redicecreations.com]


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13.) What is the odd symbol above the Drugged-Out Mother's door? It looks like some sort of rune, but I can't find anything that looks like it at all - anybody know what this symbol is supposed to mean?
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It appears to be a double-armed or double-barred cross, otherwise known as the Cross of Lorraine or the Patriarchal cross.

[link to imgur.com]

If anyone can get a better picture of it please post it!
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Maybe. But it's magick with a "k".
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the magikian.. interesting ring ding to it :D

but asides from the curious spellings,
prey tell, did you see where it went?
ill not say which episode , but dont let me have to do a blow up :D

but, then ,sometimes things can happens just like,. that

doyouseecreamecornonthisplateBox
 Quoting: funbox


Indeed they can. The spelling was mine, not theirs (for the record).

Not sure what you're alluding to so yeah, why don't you just go ahead and say which episode and do a blow up for us. Thanks in advance!








What building is the inter-dimensional gateway in?

Look at :25 - :35 seconds here:



Could it be?

[link to www.bing.com]

Let's talk about watching an idiot box and what may spring from it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73898434


That's not the same building at all. Cool idea though.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73117666



Yes. It's obviously not the same literal exact building. Because you know, everything in a David Lynch presentation is literal.

It's representative. About the same height, same architecture, same era-made, same eerie look, and same NYC setting.

Beware the trolls who lead you down the darkened path.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73898434


Yeah, your obnoxious posts to try and derail this thread are dark, but very laughable (as anyone with half a brain following this thread can see). And YOU were revealed as a troll in my last post so...we're just watching and commenting on a television show which is about the ultimate struggle of good versus evil. And is a fictional story. You should really look that word - fiction - up before posting any more silly comments that sound like I'm trying to do anything but talk about a television show. You really are laughable with your AC troll account. Dumbass!.








What building is the inter-dimensional gateway in?

Look at :25 - :35 seconds here:



Could it be?

[link to www.bing.com]

Let's talk about watching an idiot box and what may spring from it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73898434


That's not the same building at all. Cool idea though.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73117666



Yes. It's obviously not the same literal exact building. Because you know, everything in a David Lynch presentation is literal.

It's representative. About the same height, same architecture, same era-made, same eerie look, and same NYC setting.

Beware the trolls who lead you down the darkened path.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73898434



especially the ones bearing cream corn, aye ACBoB ?>
unfortunatly the gif juice was at boil and the corn couldnt hold it any longer :D bad luck OP :D

[link to imgur.com]

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Um...whatever you're smoking, please pass it already.









 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73898434











A lot to process with that episode...

Something is obviously up with the electricity. We could see and hear that with the street lights and the power lines. If I'm not mistaken Lynch has used the idea of electricity for other projects (and wanted to for Ronnie Rocket) and seems to be continuing incorporating it into Twin Peaks.

Dougie Coop was having problems with his left arm at the beginning of the episode.

We finally get to see Diane!

It looks like Lorraine/the "worrier" finally disappointed her boss enough to be killed, and Dougie's still on the list too. Interesting assassin...

Looks like we have have another magician in town. What's up with these coins?

That leads to my final point, when Hawk follows a coin he dropped into what looks like the stall MIKE had one of his freak outs in. Did he put those notes in the door?
 Quoting: Sweetroll Bandit


Yeah, I'll be watching it again soon. My brain shut down a little bit after the kid got plowed down by Richard Horne. That was gruesome.

The one electrical pole looked to be the same one with the number 6 on it from nearby the Fat Trout Trailer Park in Fire Walk With Me. And yes, electricity - and the idea of someone or something travelling through it - has run through a lot of Lynch's projects and is a recurring theme.

I'll have to watch again for Dougie's arm.

Diane is finally here and played by Laura Dern as I thought she would be.

I was surprised to see Lorraine as a target. It wasn't HER fault that Dougie Cooper is still with us. But alas, SOMEONE had to bring in the new midget. Hope he can dance.

What IS with those coins?

I didn't even think about the stall with MIKE. But I was correct in it being the diary pages that were what was missing and what Hawk would find.








2.) What does the message "ARGENT 2" mean as well as the number "159"? I'm guessing that the ARGENT stands for Argentina, but what about the 2 (and please note that 159 becomes 15 or 6)?

 Quoting: BEAST333

I'm guessing that ARGENT may have been the contact name, and since she typed "2" as the message that she had 159 characters left to type. That's what is displayed when I try to text message as well.

Just a thought. 1dunno1
 Quoting: Sweetroll Bandit


That makes sense. COOL! One mystery out of a hundred solved.









 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73898434


Judy ACBoB ?

ahhh...



funbox
 Quoting: funbox











RE: Crowley, Parsons et al in Lynch-Land

Jack Nance: [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

"Nance died in South Pasadena, California, on December 30, 1996 under mysterious circumstances."

"Nance had a visible "crescent shaped bruise" under his eye"

Jack Parsons: [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

"Died June 17, 1952 (aged 37)
Pasadena, California, U.S."

[link to www.redicecreations.com]



 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73898434


Yep. Like I've previously said, the connection is already in The Secret History Of Twin Peaks book if you ever bothered to read it. You're not pointing out ANYTHING new.








13.) What is the odd symbol above the Drugged-Out Mother's door? It looks like some sort of rune, but I can't find anything that looks like it at all - anybody know what this symbol is supposed to mean?
 Quoting: BEAST333

It appears to be a double-armed or double-barred cross, otherwise known as the Cross of Lorraine or the Patriarchal cross.

[link to imgur.com]

If anyone can get a better picture of it please post it!
 Quoting: Sweetroll Bandit


It's not the Cross of Lorraine. The Cross of Lorraine looks like this...

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

It's got to be something else. Anybody here good with runes?


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Could it be that these handwritten pages found by Hawk in the stall door are the missing pages from Laura Palmer's diary? I believe these pages were implicating BOB and his true nature, which is why he took them.

It was cool to see Carl and the trailer park again, and even more interesting that he could see the child's energy/spirit/whatever leave his body and float up. It looked very similar to the glimmers Dougie Cooper has been seeing.

Is Red (the drug dealer/magician talking to Richard Horne) the same guy Shelly saw in the bar? She seemed to know him.

I can't wait to see if Diane can help Coop remember who he is. I think she'll be able to tell right away that Evil Coop is not the real Coop but instead the doppelganger.

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Edit to say I just saw your post BEAST, you beat me to it! Glad we're on the same page. :)

As far as that symbol goes, I looked at all my runes a while ago when I read your question and couldn't find a match. Even checked the Ogham alphabet (which was my first guess) and none of those fit either.

Anyone else have any ideas?

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Could it be that these handwritten pages found by Hawk in the stall door are the missing pages from Laura Palmer's diary? I believe these pages were implicating BOB and his true nature, which is why he took them.

It was cool to see Carl and the trailer park again, and even more interesting that he could see the child's energy/spirit/whatever leave his body and float up. It looked very similar to the glimmers Dougie Cooper has been seeing.

Is Red (the drug dealer/magician talking to Richard Horne) the same guy Shelly saw in the bar? She seemed to know him.

I can't wait to see if Diane can help Coop remember who he is. I think she'll be able to tell right away that Evil Coop is not the real Coop but instead the doppelganger.

--------------------------

Edit to say I just saw your post BEAST, you beat me to it! Glad we're on the same page. :)

As far as that symbol goes, I looked at all my runes a while ago when I read your question and couldn't find a match. Even checked the Ogham alphabet (which was my first guess) and none of those fit either.

Anyone else have any ideas?
 Quoting: Sweetroll Bandit


Yep. I predicted back at the end of my Part 4 synopsis that the missing diary pages would be what Hawk would find. And I think you are right that MIKE is the one who put them there when he was having one of HIS "episodes". WAIT - could Dougie's "episodes" be similar?

Yes indeed, Carl's world seems to be very similar to Dougie Cooper's with the special "lights" to guide him. I love watching Harry Dean Stanton act so it's great to have him back as Carl Rodd.

Yes, I believe that the magician is the same Red that was flirting with Shelly at the Roadhouse. Who knew that he might know some magick.

Diane will know that there's something wrong with Evil Cooper unless...she's on Evil Cooper's payroll as well. These evil ones seem to have a vast network going.

Heya Sweetroll. Not surprised with the posts. Great minds and all that...

And yeah, I searched for that symbol everywhere. They probably just made it up. Post if you find anything on this, folks...


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Two more things before I go to bed and forget...

First, in Part 1 the Giant mentioned a "Richard and Linda" to Cooper. We've now met Richard Horne and heard of a resident of the Fat Trout Trailer Park named Linda (the one with the wheelchair.) How are they connected and why are they important to Coop?

This is the quote:

“Remember, 430. Richard and Linda. Two birds with one stone.”

And my second question...what was up with the red square that appeared on Duncan's computer screen and apparently signaled him to order the hit on Lorraine and Dougie?

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Indeed they can. The spelling was mine, not theirs (for the record).

Not sure what you're alluding to so yeah, why don't you just go ahead and say which episode and do a blow up for us. Thanks in advance!
 Quoting: BEAST333


cream corn all round ,for the second time , enjoy

[link to imgur.com]


.. are you paying more attention to the new series , or is it a bit of a jolt, like somethings missing.. asides from Pete, Harry and Jose the doorGHnob

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I'm so in love with Naomi Watts
Identity politics, which is now more or less synonymous with progressivism, has its soul and substance in resentment. It thrives on the arousal of resentment, on the instigation of perpetual outrage.
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13.) What is the odd symbol above the Drugged-Out Mother's door? It looks like some sort of rune, but I can't find anything that looks like it at all - anybody know what this symbol is supposed to mean?
 Quoting: BEAST333

It appears to be a double-armed or double-barred cross, otherwise known as the Cross of Lorraine or the Patriarchal cross.

[link to imgur.com]

If anyone can get a better picture of it please post it!
 Quoting: Sweetroll Bandit


It's not the Cross of Lorraine. The Cross of Lorraine looks like this...

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

It's got to be something else. Anybody here good with runes?


:audreydance:
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What makes you think it's not the Cross of Lorraine? Sure does look like it.
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it was interesting to learn after all these years that the mysterious "Diane" that Agent Cooper always addressed his recordings to was in fact Laura Dern.
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Would someone cover all the "nervous lady" scenes and the black box scenes in Buenos Aires for us?

I just want to figure out that plot line. It connects with the casino manager guy in the office right. He was told you don't want to get someone on your bad side or something? Specific numbers etc are appreciated.

To me this shadowy force is what interests me. It wanted douggie murdered. It sent the hitman from the casino guy. The Buenos Aires connection would seem to indict Judy. And if BadCooper thought he was communicating with Philips Jefferies(who was familiar with Judy) than BadCooper could very well be an agent of this organization too.

Also in the above the convenience store scene(FWWM) the man from nowhere says we come from pure air into an animal state. Buenos Aires roughly translate to an approximation of pure/good air.
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Would someone cover all the "nervous lady" scenes and the black box scenes in Buenos Aires for us?

I just want to figure out that plot line. It connects with the casino manager guy in the office right. He was told you don't want to get someone on your bad side or something? Specific numbers etc are appreciated.

To me this shadowy force is what interests me. It wanted douggie murdered. It sent the hitman from the casino guy. The Buenos Aires connection would seem to indict Judy. And if BadCooper thought he was communicating with Philips Jefferies(who was familiar with Judy) than BadCooper could very well be an agent of this organization too.

Also in the above the convenience store scene(FWWM) the man from nowhere says we come from pure air into an animal state. Buenos Aires roughly translate to an approximation of pure/good air.
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no worries AC

pure/goodair ye say, coupled with a silent but deadly shadowy force...hmmm :D

that scene needed to be lightened up a little

*gif juice flows vemonously, stiring, curdling,. suddenly it rips*

[link to imgur.com]

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13.) What is the odd symbol above the Drugged-Out Mother's door? It looks like some sort of rune, but I can't find anything that looks like it at all - anybody know what this symbol is supposed to mean?
 Quoting: BEAST333

It appears to be a double-armed or double-barred cross, otherwise known as the Cross of Lorraine or the Patriarchal cross.

[link to imgur.com]

If anyone can get a better picture of it please post it!
 Quoting: Sweetroll Bandit


from the latest episode

[link to imgur.com]

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Now that we've got Part 6 behind us, let's see what everybody is talking about...








Two more things before I go to bed and forget...

First, in Part 1 the Giant mentioned a "Richard and Linda" to Cooper. We've now met Richard Horne and heard of a resident of the Fat Trout Trailer Park named Linda (the one with the wheelchair.) How are they connected and why are they important to Coop?

This is the quote:

“Remember, 430. Richard and Linda. Two birds with one stone.”

And my second question...what was up with the red square that appeared on Duncan's computer screen and apparently signaled him to order the hit on Lorraine and Dougie?
 Quoting: Sweetroll Bandit


I couldn't tell you on either one of those questions.

I do think that we've met Richard and the Linda at the Fat Trout Trailer Park is probably our Linda. So far, they only slightly connect with Carl Rodd having witnessed the hit and run.

The red square is a new mystery, but now we know that Duncan Todd is in deeper than it looked like. He's in Las Vegas - most likely working with Evil Cooper, Jeffries, and that whole gang - but I'm not so sure that it's the same Las Vegas that Dougie Cooper is in. Dougie's Las Vegas doesn't really seem to be quite real.








Indeed they can. The spelling was mine, not theirs (for the record).

Not sure what you're alluding to so yeah, why don't you just go ahead and say which episode and do a blow up for us. Thanks in advance!
 Quoting: BEAST333


cream corn all round ,for the second time , enjoy

[link to imgur.com]


.. are you paying more attention to the new series , or is it a bit of a jolt, like somethings missing.. asides from Pete, Harry and Jose the doorGHnob

funbox
 Quoting: funbox


I saw that picture the first time you posted it. It still means nothing. You drew letters on a hand that have no place being there. And other than that, I have NO idea of what you're trying to say or ask.








I'm so in love with Naomi Watts
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She's great in the new shows. Her speech to the thugs that are after Dougie in Part 6 was classic. Such a believable actress.








13.) What is the odd symbol above the Drugged-Out Mother's door? It looks like some sort of rune, but I can't find anything that looks like it at all - anybody know what this symbol is supposed to mean?
 Quoting: BEAST333

It appears to be a double-armed or double-barred cross, otherwise known as the Cross of Lorraine or the Patriarchal cross.

[link to imgur.com]

If anyone can get a better picture of it please post it!
 Quoting: Sweetroll Bandit


It's not the Cross of Lorraine. The Cross of Lorraine looks like this...

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

It's got to be something else. Anybody here good with runes?


audreydance
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What makes you think it's not the Cross of Lorraine? Sure does look like it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74912760


Because it has an extra line on the left of it. You can't see it on that downloaded picture very well. And I couldn't find a picture of it separately to show you, but if you check the 3:53 mark on the video below you will see the full symbol and be able to tell that it is definitely NOT the Cross of Lorraine. But it is very similar. It COULD be an altered Cross of Lorraine.











it was interesting to learn after all these years that the mysterious "Diane" that Agent Cooper always addressed his recordings to was in fact Laura Dern.
 Quoting: Big Tad 19084310


Yep. It sure was a LONG time coming. She is, indeed, the only one that can truly tell if Evil Cooper is legit. I'm just scared at this point that she may be working for the wrong side. But hopefully not.








Would someone cover all the "nervous lady" scenes and the black box scenes in Buenos Aires for us?

I just want to figure out that plot line. It connects with the casino manager guy in the office right. He was told you don't want to get someone on your bad side or something? Specific numbers etc are appreciated.

To me this shadowy force is what interests me. It wanted douggie murdered. It sent the hitman from the casino guy. The Buenos Aires connection would seem to indict Judy. And if BadCooper thought he was communicating with Philips Jefferies(who was familiar with Judy) than BadCooper could very well be an agent of this organization too.

Also in the above the convenience store scene(FWWM) the man from nowhere says we come from pure air into an animal state. Buenos Aires roughly translate to an approximation of pure/good air.
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Not the casino manager guy. She connects with the thugs - Gene and Jake - who have been watching the car that Dougie left behind in the Rancho Rosa housing development. It has nothing to do with the casino. The Las Vegas connection is with Mr. Todd who then orders her killed by Ike The Midget Assassin.

The Buenos Aires connection actually goes to Agent Phillip Jeffries. Judy was in Seattle nearby the convenience store. Jeffries met with her and she told him some things. He also - maybe through a vision - witnessed a convenience store meeting. Then he found the Owl Cave Ring and probably put it on. He was suddenly surrounded by them and disappeared.

It's interesting what you brought up with the pure/good air into an animal state. There is a theory going around that Phillip Jeffries - after jumping back to Buenos Aires from the Philadelphia FBI Headquarters - became the white/pale horse.








Would someone cover all the "nervous lady" scenes and the black box scenes in Buenos Aires for us?

I just want to figure out that plot line. It connects with the casino manager guy in the office right. He was told you don't want to get someone on your bad side or something? Specific numbers etc are appreciated.

To me this shadowy force is what interests me. It wanted douggie murdered. It sent the hitman from the casino guy. The Buenos Aires connection would seem to indict Judy. And if BadCooper thought he was communicating with Philips Jefferies(who was familiar with Judy) than BadCooper could very well be an agent of this organization too.

Also in the above the convenience store scene(FWWM) the man from nowhere says we come from pure air into an animal state. Buenos Aires roughly translate to an approximation of pure/good air.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73898434


no worries AC

pure/goodair ye say, coupled with a silent but deadly shadowy force...hmmm :D

that scene needed to be lightened up a little

*gif juice flows vemonously, stiring, curdling,. suddenly it rips*

[link to imgur.com]

funbox
 Quoting: funbox


Um...








13.) What is the odd symbol above the Drugged-Out Mother's door? It looks like some sort of rune, but I can't find anything that looks like it at all - anybody know what this symbol is supposed to mean?
 Quoting: BEAST333

It appears to be a double-armed or double-barred cross, otherwise known as the Cross of Lorraine or the Patriarchal cross.

[link to imgur.com]

If anyone can get a better picture of it please post it!
 Quoting: Sweetroll Bandit


from the latest episode

[link to imgur.com]

funbox
 Quoting: funbox


Again, this picture obscures part of the cross. Go to the 3:53 mark on the video I posted above and you can see what it actually looks like.








THE MOONCHILD

So real quick (before we review the questions from the first five parts), I found another clue inside a DIFFERENT Aleister Crowley book called The Moonchild. In it, magicians from a White Lodge are doing battle with magicians from a black lodge. Chapters in the book include...

XII. OF BROTHER ONOFRIO, HIS STOUTNESS AND VALIANCE; AND OF THE MISADVENTURES THAT CAME THEREBY TO THE BLACK LODGE

and

XVII. OF THE REPORT WHICH EDWIN ARTHWAIT MADE TO HIS CHIEF, AND OF THE DELIBERATIONS OF THE BLACK LODGE THEREUPON; AND OF THE CONSPIRACIES THEREBY CONCERTED; WITH A DISCOURSE UPON SORCERY

Decades later, the sex magick ritual that Crowley attempted to perform with Jack Parsons and his wife Marjorie Cameron - called Babylon Rising - was an attempt to create a "moonchild" that would be partly made in this world and partly made in another.

"With this ring, I thee wed".








And now, I thought I'd take a break from the usual and review all of the questions from the first five parts. I will repost them below and add any new comments in red. I will also mark the answered questions with an X in front of the number...



PART 1 QUESTIONS

1.) What do The Giant's new clues - 430, Richard and Linda, two birds with one stone - actually mean? We will obviously have to wait for this answer. Richard is probably Richard Horne and Linda is probably the woman that lives at the Fat Trout Trailer Park and needs a wheelchair.
X2.) Where exactly is Dr. Jacoby? It would make more sense to have him in the woods of Twin Peaks, but we last know of him being in Hawaii (according to The Secret History Of Twin Peaks). We now know that Dr. Jacoby is definitely in Twin Peaks.
X3.) Why is Dr. Jacoby getting a crapload of shovels delivered to his cabin? We'll obviously have to wait for this to unfold more before we can understand it. Another mystery solved and out of here.
4.) What exactly is the purpose of the glass box? It seems to be a way of trapping beings that are moving interdimensionally, but is there more to it, how does it do what it does, and most importantly - WHY is it there to begin with? We haven't really come any closer to answering this one yet.
5.) Who is the anonymous billionaire that is funding the glass box? It's probably someone that we haven't seen yet, but the question is whether it is someone that we know - Audrey Horne, Windom Earle's doppelgänger, etc. - or someone that we haven't met yet (and you may think that mentioning Windom Earle's doppelgänger there is a little weird, but did you notice the bonsai tree next to where Sam sat to monitor the glass box?). No more clues for this question yet.
6.) What was the entity that came through the glass box and killed Sam and Tracey and is it still out in the world? I can only guess that it came through the same frequency that they are monitoring which must have something to do with beings moving to and from The Waiting Room/Lodges, but the creature was VERY alien looking and not like anything we have ever seen before - even in The Waiting Room/Lodges. Was this "Mother"? Whatever it was, it appears to be after our Agent Cooper.
7.) Who exactly is Ben Horne's helper, Beverly? She's being played by Ashley Judd so there's a good chance we haven't seen the last of her, but is she just an assistant or did Ben Horne get a new babe while we were gone? Nothing more on this one yet.
X8.) What is with the two Sheriff Trumans? I can partially answer that one - in The Secret History Of Twin Peaks we are told that Harry has an older brother named Frank who originally took over the Sheriff's position from their father when he retired, but then took a job with law enforcement in western Washington to be nearer his wife's family; at this point we don't know which one is sick and which one is fishing. We have now met Sheriff Frank Truman and we also know that Harry's sickness is physical and may be life threatening. So this question is off the list.
X9.) What is up with Evil Cooper and what does he have planned with Ray and Darya? No way to know the answer at this point, but it is coming soon. We may not know everything about Evil Cooper yet, but this is pretty much a dead question now that Darya is dead and Ray is in prison.
10.) What happened in the past between Detective Dave Mackley and Crime Scene Investigator Constance Talbot? The way he raised his hands makes it look like some kind of sexual harassment charge that came from Constance; or could the two of them have been married in the past? Nothing new on this, although things weren't any less chilly during the autopsy room discussion.
11.) Who's dead and decapitated male body was found with Ruth Davenport's head? We'll definitely have to wait for more answers to this question. This one still hasn't been answered yet. I'm not yet convinced that it is actually Major Garland Briggs since that would leave us with more questions than answers. WAIT - this IS a David Lynch project...
12.) Where is Ruth Davenport's body? Is it somewhere else with the head of the mysterious John Doe body that was found with Ruth's head? We haven't had an update on either one.
13.) Did Bill Hastings really kill Ruth and the John Doe in the bed with her head? He looks pretty damned distraught and not really guilty of the horrendous murders that are getting pinned on him - though he is obviously guilty of something. There's no way of knowing yet since we haven't even seen Bill Hastings since Part 2.
14.) Why is Carel Struycken listed in the credits as ??????? instead of as The Giant as he always has been before? This isn't like the Jacques Renault/Jean-Michael Renault mystery - The Giant is still alive as far as we know and it sure looked like him, but he is now for some reason called ??????? in the credits (and it's bugging the hell out of me). No progress on this answer yet either.



Well, we knocked off 4 of the 14 questions. Time to move on to those from Part 2...



PART 2 QUESTIONS

1.) Who is the other person that Phyllis Hastings is having an affair with? Is it another entity from The Black Lodge like Phyllis appears to be? And what about Bill? There's no definitive answer for this one yet, though Evil Cooper may have been the man that Bill saw Phyllis meeting with.
2.) Who and/or what is the blackened figure who disappeared from the cell near Bill Hastings'? Creepy as hell. Reminded me a little of the blackened guy in Mulholland Drive, but an even weirder thought is that it looks a little bit like one of the woodsmen from the scene above the convenience store in Fire Walk With Me (and I've always thought that one of those woodsmen was probably Margaret's - The Log Lady's - husband). No new clues on this dark mystery yet.
3.) Who does Mr. Todd in Las Vegas work for? Is it the same billionaire who owns the glass box in New York City? It could be Evil Cooper, but we don't know for sure yet.
4.) Who is the "she" that Mr. Todd is hiring and what is he hiring her for? Could it be a replacement for Sam who got killed by the alien looking entity in the glass box in New York City? Could it be Audrey Horne? Or somebody else working undercover to figure out what is going on there? I just hope it's not Diane.
5.) Why is Jack so darn hungry that he's scarfing down three meals at the diner? It's probably no big deal, but why is poor Jack so famished? Could Jack have been missing for the same three days as Dougie Cooper and the headless body in Ruth Davenport's bed and were they all guests of The waiting Room/Lodges during this time?
6.) What is the information - later learned to be coordinates - that Ray is supposed to get from Hastings' secretary? Are they the coordinates for the place on the highway where Cooper in The Black Lodge saw himself driving down the road? Or something else? Could they have been the coordinates for the mysterious black box/silver nugget in Argentina?
7.) Why is Hawk at Glastonbury Grove thinking that something is supposed to happen? How does he know to be there already? Does he remember the planetary alignments from 25 years previously? As far as I can tell, he hasn't sifted through the boxes of files at all yet. Has this scene even happened yet in the storyline?
8.) Why does Phillip Gerard keep saying to Agent Cooper, "is it future or is it past"? Why is everything so messed up with things happening before they should have happened? Beyond what I've already speculated, I don't have a clue what this means.
9.) Why is it stark white when Laura Palmer peels back her face like a mask? I mean, she is REALLY white. No offense. It reminds me of the hooded figure in Episode 26 that has a moon for a face - and behind the figure is nothing but stark white. Was she showing him the Void that he has now entered?
10.) What does Laura Palmer whisper in Agent Cooper's ear? Whatever it is, he appears startled at one point and then looks up at her in wonder. Could she be telling him that she is still alive and has been in The Waiting Room/Lodges the whole time? The last time that she whispered something in his ear it was the answer to who had killed her (meaning her father possessed by BOB) - did she now tell him the reality of HIS situation?
11.) What happens to her when she is ripped away and drawn upwards after whispering to Agent Cooper and why? If she WAS still alive, is she still now? She seems to have been sucked away like Agent Cooper was when he came near the number fifteen electrical outlet.
12.) What is the deal with the white horse that Cooper sees briefly after Laura is taken away? Behold a pale horse? Heroin? Remember the white/pale horse from Sarah Palmer's drug induced visions? Now that we've seen it in The Waiting Room/Lodges, is it one of the inhabitants much like The Giant? Could it be the essence of Phillip Jeffries?
13.) How and/or why did The Arm evolve? I know, I know, it's because Michael J. Anderson didn't sign on for the new show. But seriously, how did this occur? And just what is the significance of the sycamore tree? We haven't seen so much as an elbow since Agent Cooper got sent into the limbo Void.
14.) What is with the weird mouth massage that Evil Cooper gives to Jack? I mean, we learn later on in the episode that he killed Jack, but what a weird way to do it. Any ideas on what kind of dental martial arts this might be? No one's gonna bite on this question, huh?
15.) How did Ray and Darya get hooked up with (Evil or not) Phillip Jeffries? I've guessed since Fire Walk With Me that Phillip Jeffries was KEY to this whole thing. So I am fascinated with this story line. How did these guys meet? I'm guessing through Evil Cooper. But how did they get convinced to turn on Evil Cooper? Just the money? We may NEVER know the answer to this one.
16.) What is the odd looking playing card that Evil Cooper shows Darya with the round black circle with black ears resembling a jester's hat? I'm not liking where this is going. I mean for our man Coop. As a viewer, I'm LOVING it. Another sign pointing to Windom Earle - or, I suppose, Evil Windom Earle - being back. First the bonsai plant and now a playing card message. And just what does all of this have to do with the glass box in New York and the black box/silver nugget in Argentina?
17.) Who was on the secret phone call with Evil Cooper - was it Phillip Jeffries, an Evil Phillip Jeffries, or somebody else entirely? I don't think it was Jeffries. I'm going with Windom Earle. But I'm pretty sure that it wasn't Jeffries. Of course, there could be two Jeffries at work here just like there are two Coopers - one good and one evil.
18.) Why did the person on the secret phone call with Evil Cooper ask about a meeting with Major Garland Briggs? How did they know about the meeting and what was Evil Cooper doing meeting with Major Briggs in the first place? We know - from The Secret History Of Twin Peaks book - why Major Briggs contacted Evil Cooper (that he thought was the good Agent Cooper) to help him continue to compile the dossier and finish the work that he began in Twin Peaks. And we know that Colonel Dougie Milford had told him that the work had been tainted and to beware. But we still don't know how the person on the phone knew about the meeting. Unless they intercepted the MAYDAY that Major Briggs broadcasted right before his supposed death.
19.) Why was Evil Cooper downloading schematics for Yankton Federal Prison? Was it so he could get to Ray to kill him? Or is it because he knows that he is about to become a prisoner there? Did the download help Evil Cooper to shut down the prison's security system when he made his phone call to the black box in Argentina?
20.) Who exactly is Chantal Hutchen and her husband Hutch and what are their connections to Evil Cooper? Who are they, how did they get hooked up with Evil Cooper, and are they also evil entities from The Black Lodge? We have learned nothing more about the Hutchen family. Nor about Chantal's current dampness levels.
X21.) Why did The Evolution Of The Arm say "253, time and time again, Bob, Bob, Bob"? Some of this will be understood after Parts 3 & 4 (so no spoilers until after Sunday night), but I'm asking in a much broader sense. I'm calling this question answered since we know as much about the 2:53 time as we're probably ever going to (plus I want to knock off at least one of these Part 2 questions).
22.) Why did Leland Palmer tell Agent Cooper to "find Laura"? I thought she was dead. And this is the original Leland with normally graying hair. Not the white haired Leland that had been driven to madness by Bob. It's looking more and more like the REAL Laura Palmer may not have ever died, but may have been trapped inside The Waiting Room/Lodges this entire 25 years. So far, Ray Wise was hired on to play Leland Palmer just to utter those two words to Agent Cooper. There's got to be more to this.
23.) What did The Evolution Of The Arm mean when it said to Agent Cooper "non-exist-ent!"? Did it mean that by throwing Agent Cooper under the floor - and with all of the current worlds/realities already having Cooper's in them - that he would indeed become non-existent? I still think that was the plan, but things are not going how anyone expected them to. So is Agent Cooper dreaming all of this and really still "non-exist-ent!"?
24.) Where exactly IS Agent Cooper when he's floating in the ether looking an AWFUL lot like David Byrne in that old Talking Heads "Once In A Lifetime" video? Is he actually floating around in nothingness? Between two worlds, so to speak? Is this where Agent Jeffries was when he went missing for almost two years? Is our Agent Cooper STILL in the Void and simply hallucinating the Dougie Jones world he has found himself in?
25.) How in the hell did Agent Cooper end up on/in the glass box in New York City? And so quickly? Notice he was only in the limbo void for a second or two before getting slammed down onto the glass box. It drew him right in. And then it spit him right out. Was this it's intent? Or was it supposed to hold him there? Was he spit back out because there is already another Cooper in this world? And, if that's the case, how can Dougie Cooper then be in the same reality as the glass box or the same reality that he has his room key to the Great Northern in since Evil Cooper is locked up in a federal prison there in the same reality?
X26.) And what exactly does it mean that Sam and Tracey are back with the missing guard again (and still alive)? Is it future or is it past, indeed. I believe that this one has been answered since Sam and Tracey only went through that sequence once. We were just watching it from different perspectives.
27.) What's the deal with James' friend Freddie's green hand? Is it for medical reasons? Is it a fashion statement? Does it matter? We haven't seen James OR his friend Freddie since.
28.) Who is Shelly's daughter and who is the father? I wonder if she's Leo's daughter? Well, we've now met Becky and her lovely husband Steven, but we still don't know who Becky's father is.
X29.) Who or what is this Steven guy that Shelly's daughter is mixed up with? Is he from The Black Lodge, too? Or is he just another Leo Johnson wife beater in the making? I think we can cross this one off our list since we now know that he is just a drug addled young Bobby Briggs kind of cokehead and not an evil entity (though I wouldn't put it past him to put some soap in a sock if Becky doesn't continue to get him coke money from her mother).
X30.) Why does Shelly say that James has always been cool when James has NEVER been cool? This is more proof that this is NOT the same town/reality of Twin Peaks that we were in 25 years ago. Okay, okay, this DOES now look like the same old twisted small town of Twin Peaks. I guess Shelly has just mellowed out and is being nice. I'll knock this question off the list. But I still stand by the fact that James was NEVER cool.
31.) Who is this Red guy at the bar making gestures to Shelly? He must be important - he's being played by a big star, Balthazar Getty, who was good in Lost Highway. So we'll probably be getting to know him more. We now know that he is involved with Richard Horne and the drugs coming into Twin Peaks from the Canadian border, but we still don't know much about Red - we don't even know his last name OR his actual relationship with Shelly - so I'm leaving this question for now.
32.) Why is there yet another Renault tending bar at The Roadhouse and - most importantly - why does he look EXACTLY like Jacques Renault? I know, I'm obsessed with this. But it does add to my alternate reality theory. Doesn't it? I'm ready to except this as the real Twin Peaks and Dougie Cooper's world as the fake simulation (if one of these worlds are indeed not real), but this Renault character behind the bar is still bothering me.



We only managed to knock off four of the thirty-two Part 2 questions. So let's see how those Part 3 questions are doing...



PART 3 QUESTIONS

1.) Where is the place of the pinkish purple smoke that holds the cube surrounded by water? Is this just an extension of the non-exist-ent world that Agent Cooper was thrown into by the doppelgänger of The Evolution Of The Arm? We still don't know and I'm not so sure that Agent Cooper has ever left there (he may be imagining all of the Dougie Cooper world).
2.) Where or what exactly is the cube? Not that it needs to BE anything. But what the hell? Is this a real place among the void or is it all just part of Cooper's subconscious? We haven't learned anything further about the cube or the Void that it resides in.
3.) Why is the cube suddenly surrounded by space instead of water when they exit through the roof? It was pretty damp just a minute ago. There's been nothing more on this so far.
4.) What or who is the blind seer Asian woman Naido? Could she have any connection to the OTHER Asian woman in the series - Josie Packard (who we last left with her soul embedded in a wooden drawer handle)? Or possibly Josie's (twin?) sister, Judy? I'm not sure that we'll EVER get the answer to this whole cube mystery.
5.) Who is "mother" that is causing all of the loud banging sounds? Whoever she or it is, they appear to be after our hero, Agent Cooper. Sound seems to really bother "mother". Tracey's screams of passion seemed to really piss off whatever came out of the glass box and killed her and Sam in Part 1. And Gordon Cole is also greatly affected by sound. What does this all mean? And how does it all tie in to the Aleister Crowley tarot deck and the sex magick rituals that he attempted to perform with Jack Parsons and his wife Marjorie Cameron - known as Babylon Working and meant to create a "moonchild".
6.) Where does the outlet labelled #15 lead? Either coming from or going to? Now, you guys all know that the electrical pole in Fire Walk With Me bugs me. I keep thinking that the big "6" on it is a label of sorts. But above the big six you can also see the following numbers - 24810. Which adds up to fifteen. So maybe the fifteen represents the world we have always known and which Agent Cooper is desperately trying to get back to. I'll post the part of Fire Walk With Me that I am talking about at the end of the questions (the pole also emits the Indian whooping sound made by The Man From Another Place/The Arm). Fifteen can also break down to be six (1+5 = 6).
7.) What is the lever on the roof of the cube that causes the number on the electrical outlet to change once pulled? It reminds me of the levers from Eraserhead. In fact, in all the years since, I have never seen anything of Lynch's that resembled parts of Eraserhead like the new Twin Peaks does. There's a very cool cycle of his life's work being displayed in this new show. Again, I'm not sure that we'll ever completely understand the cube and the Void and all of the electrical outlets.
8.) Where does Naido go after she is hurled off of the roof of the cube and into space? Is she dead? Is she now non-exist-ent? Did she ever exist in the first place? Or is she a figment of Cooper's imagination? It's looking more and more like we'll just never know.
9.) Why does Major Briggs face appear in space? Is it really there? Or is Cooper just seeing it in his mind? It was obviously in his mind, but why? Was it just another part of his brain waking up to his REAL reality.
10.) Why does the electrical outlet change to #3 and what does this mean? I'm more than halfway convinced that it represents an alternate reality to the one we have been watching for all of these years. I wonder what would have happened if Agent Cooper had gone through the #3 outlet.
11.) Why is American Girl played by the same actress who played Ronette Pulaski in the original series? Like the Jean-Michel Renault character, I don't believe that Lynch did this just to give these people work as new characters. Mainly because there are a LOT of people who wanted to be included in the new show and weren't. So what does this mean? Is Cooper's subconscious mind trying to jar him back to reality with familiar faces like Ronette and Major Briggs? I do think that Cooper's subconscious mind is filling in gaps with familiar faces.
12.) Why is Dougie Jones so different - twenty extra pounds, different hair, etc. - from all of the other Coopers? We've been living with two Coopers for awhile now (25 years to be exact), but they look identical. Why is this one chubby with a bad haircut? Is the answer simply that he is "manufactured" and therefore not really real?
13.) How exactly was Dougie "manufactured" and by who? This question definitely bothers me. How can he be manufactured? Doesn't he live in his world? Wasn't he already there before he got pulled into all of this? Somebody sent two goons to kill him - he's got a life (even if it's a bad one). So what exactly does it mean that "someone manufactured" him? I've got some more thoughts on this, but I'm going to wait until I do a synopsis for Part 4. If Dougie didn't exist before, then there's a good chance that he doesn't exist now and this is all in Agent Cooper's mind as he drifts through the purple smoke of the Void.
14.) Why does Dougie end up turning into a golden orb? My brain keeps telling me to think - there is an explanation for this. But I am stumped. And now my brain hurts.
15.) What's with the burning and puking head that merges with the golden orb? An even harder question to answer. It looked a lot like the head of The Evolution Of The Arm. But burned up and even weirder looking than the original. Still no clue. But it's funny how "normal" the show seems now after Parts 3 and 4.
16.) Who are the two men looking to take out Dougie and who do they work for? What in the heck did poor ol' Dougie Jones do to get a hit squad after him? And how is this going to affect our Dougie Cooper? If they know where he went to bang prostitutes they probably know where he lives and works. We know that the two men are Gene and Jake and that they know a Mikey and phone in info to Lorraine. But we still don't know who they are all working for.
17.) Why is the drug addicted mother across the street from the house where Dougie and Jade had their rendezvous repeatedly saying "119, 119, 119..."? Being a numerologist, David Lynch doesn't mess around with numbers. You can bet - even if only in his own mind - these numbers mean something. (On a side note, the drug addled mother was played by Hailey Gates who produces and hosts a great show called States Of Undress on the Viceland channel.) Has she been reversed and she is trying to yell out "911" in order to get some help?
X18.) Why is Dr. Jacoby painting all of his new shovels gold? There sure is a LOT of odd golden things in this episode. So what do you suppose that the good doctor is up to with these? Finally, one I can cross off the list since we know that he's selling the shovels through his internet podcast.
19.) Why does The Waiting Room/Lodges logo hover over the slot machines when Dougie is in the casino? This also makes me wonder just how much of all of this is in Agent Cooper's mind. It reminds me of The Sims.
20.) What is with the case that the FBI is talking about - the Congressman's dilemma - and what is the deal with the clues left? I don't really expect an answer. I just had to ask. Since this case most likely has nothing to do with our storyline we may never get the answer to this question.



Yikes! Only one question removed from that list. Let's see how we do when we take a look at the Part 4 questions...



PART 4 QUESTIONS

1.) What's with all of the King Arthur references - Sycamore Street, Lancelot Court, Merlin's Market - with Dougie Cooper's world? Is it just a coincidence that all of these things in Dougie Cooper's world have names similar to Glastonbury Grove? This is one of the reasons that I don't believe that Dougie's world really exists.
2.) Why is Dougie Cooper so obsessed with the color red - his house door is red and he stares hard at the casino owner's red dice pen holder? Is it because the color red is so much a part of The Waiting Room/Lodges decor and - like the red curtain/floor symbols hovering over the slot machines - he is automatically drawn to it? Of course, now his "truth" light appears to be green. So, who knows?
3.) Why is an owl seen flying overhead when Dougie Cooper is dropped off at home in the casino limousine? Another coincidence - or is he being watched by a denizen of The Waiting Room/Lodges? Um...
4.) Why is Naomi Watts' character listed as Janey-E Jones in the credits? I've checked the Twin Peaks Wiki and various fan sites and no one lists Dougie Jones as Doug-E Jones. So what gives? Is there a connection at all with the movie WALL-E? It's about an abandoned Earth in 2805 where the only thing left behind were WALL-E robot trash compactors which have all since stopped functioning, except for one of them which has gained sentience. I wonder if they have a movie night in The Black Lodge.
5.) Who are the people that Janey Jones says they can now pay back with Dougie's casino winnings? This is a follow-up question as to the men who were trying to kill Dougie when he left the housing developement with Jade. We know from the credits of Part 3 that the two men were Gene and Jake and they mentioned meeting back at Mikey's. But is Mikey the boss or do they all work for somebody else? There's still no concrete answers to this one.
6.) Where exactly was Dougie Jones during the three days that he went missing? We joined him on the third day when he was with Jade. But where exactly was he during those other two days and what was he doing? And was he with everyone else that apparently went missing for three days?
X7.) Does Denise Bryson have a thing for Gordon Cole? And did this start back when they were still Dennis? From the way that she had to fan herself when he left her office, I'm going to say yes. Mainly, so that I can cross off a question.
8.) Why is Lucy even weirder and more high maintenance than she used to be - does she really not know how cell phones and thermostats work? Not a rhetorical question. I have my theories. There seems to be something seriously wrong with Lucy. Did she lose her son? Is that why the family Christmas picture she has at the Sheriff's station shows their kid to be about twelve? And is that why she is so much more ditzy than she used to be and Andy is even more doting. No more clues to this mystery yet.
9.) Who is the kid - Daniel Craig - who overdosed in the Twin Peaks High School? Sheriff Frank seemed to know who he was. Is the Craig family important to the updated town of Twin Peaks? We haven't heard another word about the Craig family or the overdose.
10.) Who is bringing the "Chinese designer drugs" into Twin Peaks? I'm going with Deputy Bobby Briggs. That would be why he became a cop to begin with - to protect the market that he took over after Leo stopped running it. He was upset to learn that a kid in the high school had died and went running off to the bathroom to compose himself after learning about it from Sheriff Frank. Which is also why he was so ready to burst into tears when he saw the picture of Laura Palmer. [In all fairness, this never entered my mind - my wife came up with this one and I think she's spot on.] Now we've seen Deputy Chad take payoff money from Richard Horne, but we still don't know if Bobby is involved in all of this. I hope not, but I think so.
11.) What is the deal with Wally Brando and his birthday? Marlon Brando was born on April 3rd. Laura Palmer's body was found on the morning of February 23, 1989. Everything on the show happened within the next few weeks. Lucy was no more than two months pregnant at the annual Miss Twin Peaks Contest in March. Do the math. Either Wally Brando was NOT born on Marlon Brando's birthday or he is NOT Lucy and Andy's real son. Or in this particular reality, Marlon Brando was born in October. Will we ever know what is REALLY going on with Wally? Maybe it will be revealed at Harry's funeral.
12.) When Dougie Cooper touches the mirror, is he remembering his past life? It sure seems like it. But that would be odd considering that our good Cooper - who seems to have escaped the Lodges and entered into Dougie Jones' life and world - never had that particular mirror experience at The Great Northern. That was Evil Cooper. Just how intertwined ARE all of these different versions of Dale Cooper? This does all make sense, however, if everything is just in Agent Cooper's mind as he floats through the Void.
13.) Why does Dougie Cooper touch his lower stomach when he first lays eyes on his son, Sonny Jim? This is where I'm going to go out on a limb with a theory. Bear with me, this one is bizarre. Remember - at the end of Season 2 when Cooper is trapped in The Waiting Room/Black Lodge and he is being chased by his doppelgänger, he gets wounded in the exact same stomach area and begins to leave a trail of blood as he's running. Could Sonny Jim and possibly this whole Dougie reality have been manufactured with Cooper's own DNA? I think the wound was a direct result of Windom Earle trying to steal his soul but only managing to wound Agent Cooper.
X14.) Why is the military blocking the identification of the John Doe body in Buckhorn, South Dakota? Could it possibly be the body of Major Briggs after all of these years? Or somebody else associated with the military's investigation into the Ghostwood Forest next to Twin Peaks? I'm going to knock off this question since we know that it IS indeed because the prints match Major Briggs (and we also learned that this is the 16th time in 25 years).
15.) Why was Evil Cooper found with a dog leg in the trunk of his car? Don't ask me, I'm asking you. But when I first saw it I immediately thought of the odd little piece of music on the Fire Walk With Me soundtrack called "The Black Dog Runs At Night" and thought "not anymore". In the immortal words of Gordon Cole, "what the hell?".
X16.) Who is Gordon Cole addressing ("ladies and gentlemen...") right before interviewing Evil Cooper in the prison? It's probably nothing, but I have to wonder exactly WHO Gordon will be turning this tape over to. It looks like it was probably his superiors over at the Pentagon. So I'm going to remove this question.
17.) Why does Evil Cooper talk so slowly during the prison interview? He sounds like a slightly slowed down tape recording. Is it simply because he lost so much of his fuel - meaning the garmonbozia - that was inside of him?
18.) Why does Evil Cooper repeat himself like an automaton during the prison interview? Is he being programmed to speak? Is this related to the previous question and the fact that Evil Cooper is currently a little low on fuel?
19.) Why was Cooper leaving messages so that "Phillip knows it's safe"? Now that he got past the spewing of the garmonbozia could he be free of BOB or at least free enough of BOB that our old Cooper is really speaking and that he has been working undercover with BOB inside of him to learn "their" secrets. Could that be? Or is Evil Cooper just lying through "his" teeth (literally)? We now know that BOB is still inside of him, but we still don't know what the messages regarding Phillip Jeffries is about.
20.) What does Evil Cooper mean when he says, "I never really left home"? Where or what is "home"? I found this extremely creepy. Let's just hope that Agent Cooper isn't just hallucinating all of this while recovering from his Philadelphia experience with Windom Earle and Caroline.
21.) Why is there a deep blue filter used on the final scene in the parking lot with Gordon, Albert and Tammy and what does it mean? It doesn't get any bluer. And it must mean something. Is one of the three of them - FBI Deputy Director Gordon Cole, FBI Agent Albert Rosenfield or FBI Agent Tamara Preston - an actual "blue rose"? It's certainly a revealing scene (in more ways than one). There's no way of telling exactly what this meant, but it remains the only scene in the real world where a color filter was used.
X22.) What's with Tammy's slinky sexy walk? I just had to ask. She is an odd character, isn't she? I'm going to go ahead and knock this question off the list. I'm not sure that she can help it.
23.) What "greeting" was Gordon expecting to receive from Cooper that makes him realize that something is wrong? Cooper said or didn't say something wrong during the early banter of the interrogation that sent up a red flag with Gordon. I'm thinking that it's because of the backwards word when Evil Cooper said, "It’s yrev, very good to see you again, old friend", but until we know for sure, I'm leaving this question.
24.) How deep does Albert's involvement go with Evil Cooper, the Good or Evil Phillip Jeffries, or any of this? Albert is obviously involved in all of this in a way that, quite frankly, shocked me. Gordon's reaction was mine - utter disbelief. So what else is Albert hiding? There's been no further clues to the depth of Albert's involvement.
25.) Who was the "man in Columbia" that Albert sold out to Jeffries and Evil Cooper and what exactly was he up to that got him killed? And does it have anything to do with our story other than to add to just how slimy Albert has suddenly become? We still know nothing more about this.
X26.) Who is the woman that Gordon and Albert wants to take a look at Evil Cooper to see what she thinks? My guess is that we're about to finally meet the infamous Diane. And I'll go one further and guess that she'll be played by Laura Dern. BINGO! Nailed it! I guess I can remove this question now.



We managed to knock out five of the twenty-six questions on that list. So let's see if we can get rid of any from the Part 5 questions...



PART 5 QUESTIONS

1.) Who is Lorraine and exactly who does she work for? Who hired all of these people? Evil Cooper? And what about that "Mikey" guy that Gene and Jake mentioned back in Part 4? Is he the ringleader? Lorraine has left this mortal coil so we're down to the question of who ALL of these people work for?
2.) What does the message "ARGENT 2" mean as well as the number "159"? I'm guessing that the ARGENT stands for Argentina, but what about the 2 (and please note that 159 becomes 15 or 6)? Sweetroll Bandit pointed out that with 160 characters to use in a Blackberry, the number 159 appears in the upper right-hand corner after Lorraine types in the number "2" to let her know how many characters she has left. So that explains the 159, but not the 2.
3.) What exactly IS the black box? Where did it come from? Who put it in the barn in Argentina? And what exactly is it's function? Um...
4.) Why had the John Doe in Buckhorn not eaten for days? Was he a Black Lodge resident like Evil Cooper and therefore had no need for food or sleep (remember - Ruth Davenport was also missing for three days, as was Dougie Jones)? And it looked like Evil Cooper's mechanic, Jack, had also not eaten for a few days.
5.) Why and how is Dougie Jones' wedding ring in the John Doe's stomach? My brain is having a hard time wrapping around this whole thing - how about all of you? Why would Major Briggs, or a doppelgänger, or ANYONE have Dougie's wedding ring in their stomach? All I can add is that the Owl Cave Ring was on his wedding ring finger. So he must have lost his wedding ring when the Owl Cave Ring went on his finger (sometime during those three missing days).
6.) Does Evil Cooper never eat or sleep and, if so, is that true of ALL doppelgängers? And how does this tie in with the other people who haven't eaten for three days (remember that when we first met Evil Cooper's mechanic Jack in the diner he was on his third plate of food like he hadn't eaten for quite awhile)? Remember - the headless body in Ruth Davenport's bed with Dougie Jones' wedding ring in it's belly hadn't eaten for days either.
7.) Where does Mike Nelson work? I doubt that it's a Twin Peaks branch of the Lucky 7 Insurance company, but what type of business does he hire for? We have no clues on this yet.
8.) Who is Mike Nelson married to? Could it be Nadine? We have no clues on this yet either.
9.) What kind of tests are being run on Sheriff Harry S. Truman? I'm guessing that it's cancer of some kind and that they're steadily marching us towards a Twin Peaks funeral. At least, now we know that it IS physical and not mental and is probably quite serious.
10.) Who is the Sammy that worked on Sheriff Frank Truman's wife's father's car? I'm guessing that he works at Big Ed's Gas farm, but who is he exactly and who are his parents? If it's not Big Ed's kid - which I doubt from the build - then could James be his father?
11.) Why does Dougie start crying suddenly when he sees a dejected looking Sonny Jim sitting in the car? The kid looks sad and all, but there seems to be a WAY deeper connection between these two - is Sonny Jim really a young Dale Cooper? Are the tears being shed because Sonny Jim grows up to be Richard Horne? I know, I know, but this is a twisted story so you never know, right? Sonny Jim may be the way that they try to make Agent Cooper sacrifice himself. I'm getting a little worried about this.
12.) Why do both Dougie and Sonny Jim then blink? Could Sonny Jim be blinking backwards in this scene? It's an odd looking blink and if you play it backwards it looks way more normal - so was this done on purpose and because Sonny Jim was made out of Cooper's DNA that he dripped in The Black Lodge he is also considered a partial denizen of the Lodges? It seems to me that someone is using our Agent Cooper's mind and may be controlling it somehow through his own DNA.
13.) What is the odd symbol above the Drugged-Out Mother's door? It looks like some sort of rune, but I can't find anything that looks like it at all - anybody know what this symbol is supposed to mean? It does look a little like the Cross of Lorraine, but there's an extra line on the left-hand side.
14.) What exactly are the "episodes" that Dougie has that Janey-E mentions? She makes it sound like he's had a few of them and that they result in him acting similar to the way that he is acting now - so do these "episodes" have anything to do with The Waiting Room/Lodges? Could Dougie Jones have been on the same medication as Phillip Gerard back when he was the One-Armed shoe salesman?
15.) Why is Dougie Cooper obsessed with the statue in the courtyard of his office building (especially it's gun and, at the end of the day, it's shoes)? The statue bears a striking resemblance to Phillip Jeffries (or, more to the point, David Bowie) but I do think that Dougie Cooper is being reminded of law enforcement in general and to Harry S. Truman in particular with the hat and all - could the shoe fixation really be because of the new pair of shoes that Harry bought from Phillip Gerard, the One-Armed shoe salesman? I'm tempted to cross this question off of our list, but I'm not going to do so quite yet.
16.) What exactly was Dougie Jones' relationship with Anthony Sinclair? Was Dougie Jones siphoning money out of the company along with Sinclair? Were they in this embezzlement scheme against Lucky 7 Insurance together before Dougie Jones got changed into Dougie Cooper? I think we're about to find out when Bushnell finishes deciphering Dougie's scribbles and goes after Sinclair.
17.) What's with the flashing green light on Sinclair's face? This, along with The Waiting Room/Lodges symbols hovering over the slot machines and Dougie's standing around until somebody takes him to pee stuff is reminding me an AWFUL lot of a computer simulation game like The Sims - so could this be a simulation? If so, couldn't Dougie have had a less boring job?
X18.) What - if anything - is in those case files that Bushnell Mullins gives Dougie Cooper for assessments? And will the crap hit the fan when Dougie shows up the next day with them not completed? Will Dougie even make it to the office the next day or will he get dragged back to the casino later on tonight by his old buddy Bill Shaker where he will finally be confronted by the mob bosses? I was dead wrong on this one. Dougie came through BIG time. And now we know that in those case files is proof that Anthony Sinclair was embezzling from the company. So this question is answered.
19.) What exactly is Dougie Jones' relationship with office worker Rhonda? Had he been hitting on her for a long time? How many OTHER women was Dougie Jones persuing? And was there anybody else we know? No further info on this yet.
20.) What's with the weird green light on the casino film? Does the casino Supervisor have the ability to change a slot machine to being a loser when alerted by the green light that it's ready to pay out a jackpot? And is this why the mobsters are so convinced that Supervisor Burns was in on Dougie Cooper's winnings? And could Supervisor Burns have been secretly working with Dougie Jones on sharing a "won" jackpot before Dougie Cooper came along and ruined everything by winning 30 of them? I'm not sure if this one is ever going to get answered.
21.) Why does the Drugged-Out Mother have a red balloon on the floor of her house? There was also a red balloon at Dougie's house left over from Sonny Jim's birthday party - could the Drugged-Out Mom's kid have attended Sonny Jim's birthday party? Or did he coincidentally also have a birthday on the same day? Now that Dougie's car across the street is gone, will we ever see the Drugged-Out Mother and her kid again?
22.) Why does the last guy out of the elevator make a strange gesture - and appear to be laughing - as he walks away? Could this be Windom Earle - or somebody else - in disguise and following Dougie Cooper? Or is it a deaf guy giving the "thanks" symbol for someone having given him a good laugh? <My wife made me put in that last one.> Anybody?
23.) Why does the number of red balloons on the artwork near the statue in the courtyard of Dougie's workplace seem to diminish to one by the time that he leaves work? Did they just all pop but one, or does this mean something? I think I may need to go back and count how many balloons were seen to begin with. Unless one of you knows.
24.) Is that a protein drink that Nadine is drinking? And, if so, does she still have super strength? And is she going to buy one of Dr. Amp's Golden Shovels?
25.) Who is Nadine currently married to? Is she still Nadine Hurley and married to Big Ed? Or is it Mike Nelson? Or does some other lucky fellow share in the silent drape runner fortune? Could the Sammy that fixed Sheriff Frank Truman's wife's father's car be HER son?
26.) Who is Richard Horne and who are his parents? Is he Ben's kid? He looks a LOT like Jerry - is it his son? Or is it Audrey's little boy? And, if Audrey is the mother, who's the father? John Justice Wheeler? Did he die in the plane crash after impregnating her and is that how she became the billionaire? Or did Evil Cooper impregnate her before leaving the town of Twin Peaks? Or is this a completely different family of Hornes from Deer Meadow? No answers yet, but we learned that he isn't really running the show but merely answering to those that are.
X27.) What is the money that Richard slips to Deputy Chad Broxford for? Is this the payoff allowing the drugs - Chinese designer drugs - to get into Twin Peaks? And, if so, is Deputy Bobby Briggs involved in any of this (being in charge of the border surveillance and all)? I'm dumping this one since we can now assume that it was, indeed, a drug payoff and the questions about Bobby remain in the Part 4 questions.
28.) Who is Charlotte - what is her last name and who are her parents? Is this somebody we know's kid? This one is still a mystery.
29.) Who is Charlotte's friend Elizabeth - what is her last name and who are her parents? Do we know Elizabeth's mother or father? This one is still a mystery as well.
30.) What exactly does FBI Agent Tammy Preston find when looking at Evil Cooper's pictures and fingerprints? One of the fingerprints appears to be reversed, so does Tammy now understand that she is dealing with a possible doppelgänger? And, if so, why does the lettering on the print also seem to be reversed? And has she alerted Gordon Cole to what she has found and suspects?
31.) Who is Mr. Strawberry and why isn't he taking calls? Evil Cooper got to Warden Murphy bad - is he talking about either something personal like Murphy's dog? Or maybe referring to someone who the Warden had killed (either way, Evil Cooper let Warden Murphy know of his tremendous powers)? No new clues on who or what this is a reference to.
32.) How exactly does Evil Cooper rig the prison's alarm system to go off? Is this all tied in to the prison schematics that he downloaded off of the computer in the hotel room back in Buckhorn? We may never learn the answer to this one.
33.) What does Evil Cooper's code phrase "the cow jumped over the moon" mean? Is this a reference to our Agent Cooper having come out of the Lodges and popped back into reality (whichever or whoever's)? The poem is from around 1765 in London and originally said: Hey diddle diddle, the Cat and the Fiddle, the Cow jump'd over the Moon, the little dog laugh'd to see such Craft,
and the Dish ran away with the Spoon. (Another reference to magic or magick.)

34.) What exactly happens to the black box device when it shrinks down to the size of a silver nugget, why does it do that, and what could it possibly mean? No guesses here, but since it's happening in Buenos Aires, does that mean that it has something to do with Phillip Jeffries? Just what we needed - a new box mystery.
X35.) Where is Janey-E Jones and why isn't she picking up Dougie Cooper at the end of his work day? Did she blow Dougie off or did Gene and Jake catch up to her? Are they holding her captive to ask Dougie Cooper where she hid the money (which he won't remember)? We can cross this question off of the list since we now know that she completely forgot that Dougie didn't have his car (out of sight, out of mind).



And we got rid of three more questions from Part 5.

I'll be back with the Part 6 synopsis real soon.


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the only cool moment so far was the slot machines, how liberating that scene was.


other than that it is a bunch of mental patients standing there not talking about much...what am I missing?
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I saw that picture the first time you posted it. It still means nothing. You drew letters on a hand that have no place being there. And other than that, I have NO idea of what you're trying to say or ask
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so,.. you only saw the cream corn vanish from the plate,
i wonder if you saw the cream corn vanish from the Magikians hands, im figuring not.. now do you see where the creame corn went? ...

timetravelled into the future to Bob's new hideout..

o well , i guess you must be a blinkered Beast :D

what would dougie think, dougie think

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Again, this picture obscures part of the cross. Go to the 3:53 mark on the video I posted above and you can see what it actually looks like.
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or maybe one thing can look like two things, at different times :D

or Lynch is fucking with our heads

i see what you mean tho , an extra vertical line ... i wonder if that could be a shadow?


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this line

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"(For the record, Mark Frost, co-writer of Twin Peaks, has repeatedly expressed his hatred of "conspiracy theorists" on his personal Twitter account - even going so far as to Retweet a post about wanting to literally punch conspiracy theorists in the face, a while back. You really should read through his Tweets, if you haven't already.)"


I believe you, but it doesn't make sense.
Major Briggs was all about conspiracy, the real deal, not the Jacoby level.

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I'm not the original poster but I just read through the thread and I think I can answer.

It makes perfect sense to those who have been following Frost's rage postings and books. It's understandable though if you haven't been following. A lot of people watching Twin Peaks now haven't been keeping up with all the drama.

Here's a basic overview for anyone who hasn't witnessed any of the online arguments or read the supplemental Twin Peaks materials.

Frost was constantly posting hateful and condescending comments towards conspiracy theorists and Trump supporters. One male conspiracy theorist who was a megafan of Twin Peaks posted an @ message --- a public message --- to Frost, to try to tell him that all of his hate-filled rhetoric was turning off other Twin Peaks fans.

Frost responded with a rude insult.

That incident was later discussed on another forum that I would get banned for naming here. Many of those forum people were upset by the things that Frost was writing and compared it to when Damon Lindelof was insulting fans of his show LOST, on Twitter. Most wrote that they'd never watch Twin Peaks again but that they were glad that Lynch was being respectful to fans.

They also talked about Briggs and the latest Twin Peaks book. It's been said that Frost likes conspiracy theories and mythology but not conspiracy theorists. Also he doesn't accurately portray them. In the latest Twin Peaks book Frost wrote about real events and conspiracies that did happen but twisted them to serve his personal agendas.

Even though the book is marketed as fiction, there are young Twin Peaks fans who don't know anything about conspiracies who are reading the book and thinking Frost's account is close to the truth. Posts about that are all over forums too. Young minds are being manipulated and turned towards lies, not truth. That's another reason why a lot of fans are angry.

Also in the original episodes Major Briggs talked about some conspiracies but we never got to see where that was leading. If it would have followed the course of the latest book then it would have been about Frost's version of the truth instead of the real version of the truth.

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