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Message Subject TWIN PEAKS: THE RETURN - Discuss the past, present and future of all things Twin Peaks
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Heya Gang! Op here again. I'm going to try and tackle all of the Page 2 stuff. It looks like some actual discussions are beginning to happen here. And thanks to whoever repinned this today. Let's keep it up there. I'll try and grab the next repinning.

So let's get at it...








The entity in the glass box in New York City looked like a grey alien. Wasn't Major Briggs involved with alien contact, if i remember well?
 Quoting: Diener und Herr zugleich


Yes, He worked on Project Blue Book for awhile. I believe that in discovering how to begin to traverse alternate universes and realitiies, the Air Force used him. He was described by his superior Colonel Riley as the "best pilot" he has ever known. It has always been thought that Riley meant other worldly piloting.








I'm a big fan of the show. Just rewatched season 1 & 2 recently to refresh my memory for season 3.

BUT.... I am really disappointed with season 3. It just felt too stupid to watch.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73855082


WoW! There's something wrong here. If you're a big fan of the show and followed it all the way through Fire Walk With Me, then you should be as excited as the rest of us. The early seasons have been said to have some "stupid" sideline stories - mostly caused by David Lynch being away from the show and filming Wild At Heart - but if you think the new shows are "stupid" either they are WAY beyond your comprehension skills to understand or you accidently turned on some shitty HBO movie instead of the Twin Peaks premiere.








Is it on Netflix or Hulu? Anything streaming?
 Quoting: Tctpom


I'm pretty sure that both Netflix and Hulu have the pilot, Season 1 and Season 2. Showtime has them all as well as the movie and is offering a 30 day free trial right now to get you hooked. It's also worth digging up The Missing Pieces which are the scenes that were cut from the movie. VERY important scenes. It's literally a movie all on it's own. Essential viewing is...
---Pilot (NOT the international Pilot with the bogus ending)
---Season 1
---Season 2
---Fire Walk With Me
---The Missing Pieces








That whole NYC glass box portal thing is very compelling as an opening meme for the series, considering there's been 25 years for, um, other planetary conjunctions? to have caused interactions...or, what happens in twin peaks is simply one part of a widespread dimensional portal system that an alphabet has tapped into.

From the moment I saw the guy sitting on that couch STARING at at that box in a warehouse, my mind was like 'whoa! That's some clandestine government op going on!" I guess we're soon to find out more on that count.

That odd window looking out at the cacophony of city lights with muted stars in the night, then the box. It wasn't until a later shot that I saw a hint of the tube, but, I totally did not expect the tube to extend outside, or, Coop to materialize into and through it, OR...bleed back into a wormhole.

I have to wonder if 'it is future, or is it past'...meaning, before the couple on the couch is attacked, because the glass is intact when Coop floats in. We really have no idea how long that box has been around, and WHY it has an extension to the outside.

Is it supposed to be a closed-looped vacuum of some sort, designed to 'pull' things toward it?

My mind also has me thinking of ley lines and other 'ethereal' connections.

The possibilities are exciting!

All I really know is that I'm going to watch it at least once more this week, to see what I missed first time around.
 Quoting: esoteric Morgan


I don't think that it's an alphabet agency. We were told by Sam Colby - the guy watching the box - that he worked for a billionaire. A billionaire who has this kind of setup in New York City. So it's a Trump type character. Spending their money on monitoring a black cube that is obviously connected somehow to The Waiting Room of The White Lodge / Black Lodge. This billionaire is paying to find out information about...an alternate Earth? Another dimension? The Lodges? The question now is WHO is this billionaire? And are they tied in to the town of Twin Peaks? Could it be Ben Horne? Or Audrey? I find it odd that they haven't mentioned her yet. She was known to survive the explosion at the end of Season 2 - and they showed her father and uncle - yet there hasn't been a word about her yet.

"It is future, or is it past" indeed. Remember our conversations over the last couple of weeks, Morgan. I told you it had to do with time displacement. The scene where Cooper arrives in the box AFTER the couple have been killed, yet they are in the hallway getting ready to enter the room is a perfect example. Remember, I also told you that Phillip Jeffries (David Bowie's character in Fire Walk With Me) was KEY to understanding what is going on. And who was Doppelganger Cooper trying to talk to on the phone - Phillip Jeffries. Though it wasn't him. It was someone pretending to be him. Or so it seems.

We're all going to need to rewatch this a few times before we completely understand what we just saw. Or even partially understand it.








Project Blue Book, blue rose, trans-dimensional entities/aliens, deep gov. conspiracies etc.

For fuck sakes, one of the first things out of Agent Cooper's mouth in Season 1 was- "I wonder what really went on between Marilyn Monroe and the Kennedy's, and who actually pulled the trigger on JFK." That was 25 years ago. I'd bet my life without TP, places like GLP wouldn't even exist today.

This show is a GLP'ers wet dream.
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34398756


I agree. And this show is one of the first to actually deal with the fact that entities that may be among us or infiltrating our planet may not necessarily be from another planet or even travel in ways that we can understand. It basically strives to lift the veil that our subconscious minds keep in front of our eyes at all times - sometimes as screen memories - to protect us from that which we cannot comprehend fully. Owls were a famous screen memory for those that were "abducted" by aliens. Many people remember seeing groups of owls or a large looking owl as their last memory before waking up in their car five hours later with vague memories of being taken aboard an interplanetary ship. I believe - and have always believed - that THAT is what the Log Lady meant when she originally said that "the owls are not what they seem".








Thanks for posting about Twin Peaks, Beast333! I'm a big fan, too, since the original airing.

My first impression was that this season is much darker than the original series, even surpassing FWWM in tone and vibe. There's a lot to take in that's going to need more than one viewing, at least for me, to pick up on and notice. Figuring out how everything ties together is going to be fun.

I'm wondering, though, if the book Mark Frost wrote, The Secret History of Twin Peaks, ties into the new season. I read a little of it but never finished.

Gotta admit, I loved the scene at the Roadhouse where Shelly stuck up fo James: "James was always cool". It felt like a jab to all the James haters. As much as I hated the James/Evelyn storyline and cringe at the Doo-wop sing-along with Donna and Maddy, I truly do like the guy lol.
 Quoting: Gidgemo


You bring up two great points. First off, The Secret History of Twin Peaks is vitally important. It brings up histories that I am convinced will be playing a major part in this new installment (it's NOT a series - it's an 18 hour movie cut up into parts). I'm trying not to bring up too much from it yet. But there are stories in it that explain quite a lot. Like the Log Lady's experience in those woods when she was just a child and her connection to Carl Rodd - the owner of the Fat Trout Trailer Park where Teresa banks lived.

The Roadhouse scene was cool. I'm not so sure if that was a jab at the James haters or just Shelley's way of being nice to him after mentioning that he had been in a motorcycle accident ans wasn't quite the same. It's like "he's so cool even though he's not all there" and the nice girl adds "yeah, he was always cool even before the accident".

But so far, no one has mentioned what bothered the hell out of me during that scene. Whenever it flashed to the bar, you could see what looked like Jacques Renault serving drinks. Jacques was the second of three brothers - the other two being his younger brother Bernard and his older brother Jean (who later tried to exchange Audrey Horne for Agent Cooper in retaliation for Jacques death which he blamed on Cooper). So what the hell is he doing back in the Roadhouse serving drinks. His character is listed as Jean-Michel Renault. And he looks EXACTLY like Jacques.

I'm not sure what is going on. But like I've mentioned in emails privately to some of you, I believe that time displacement and alternate timelines plays an important role in all of this. One thing that adds to my theory is in The Secret History of Twin Peaks book. In that history, Norma's mother has a completely different name and is said to have died long before the murder of Laura Palmer. But her mother shows up with her new husband Ernie in tow - quite alive - for a few episodes during Season 2. When Mark Frost was asked how he could have made such a mistake in his book, he said that it wasn't a mistake and that all would be revealed later. All I can think of with all of this is that there is an alternate Earth within what we are watching that we don't know about yet. And THAT could explain a lot of things.









I liked James for his innocence in the face of having grown up the way he did. The motorcycle is more a symbol of his needed to fly from that life, and fly into something more tangible...a world with hope, where love is enduring and real.

The early episodes play much like a soap opera, so I saw James in that light. Soapy and sappy, but, honest and true. Which made him an anchor for struggling youth at times.

I'd like to hear more about Frost's book, also.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34398756


James is/was one of the good guys. Confused in his youth. Hormones raging. But you could always tell that he was TRYING to do the right thing. Eventually, it seemed like the only thing left to do was to leave town.

The book explains that the stories about the woods near the town of Twin Peaks have been around since before the white man set foot in this country. The Nez Perce indians lived in this region - Hawk's ancestry that the Log Lady alluded to in her call to him in Part 1 - and their sacred ground was desecrated to make room for the lumber industry to move in. It also explains that the jade ring has been around just as long. It goes into greater details about the government's involvement in exploring and then covering up the UFO phenomenon. And it explains how Dougie Milford - the mayor's younger brother that brought back Lana to marry in Season 2 - worked for the CIA and played a major part in covering up anything to do with UFO's, aliens, and the Ghostwoods outside of Twin Peaks.








was it good ????

1. I was transfixed for two whole hours watching it

2. I will rewatch it

3. It was creepy as hell

4. Great returning cast spots.

5. I will keep watching it
 Quoting: Mr. Predictor


Yes to all a million times over.








I loved the original show and loved this episode. I will make some interesting thoughts I had about the start of season 3:
1) Cooper has been controlled by Bob the entire 25 years since season 2 and is even looking like Bob (hair etc).
2) I believe Bob is the owner of the see through box (Bob is probably very rich) and is part of his plot of him not going back to the other world.
3) The grey alien was most likely the arm thingy with the tree head.
4) I believe this episode was more like Fire walk with me then a normal episode. The episode has no music AT ALL till right at the end, at the Bang Bang Bar. This was done on purpose and is a tell to us, the audience that the show is heading back to what the original series was like.
5) I believe the murders Bob did 25 years ago (Lara specially) and the murders he has done in this episode were somehow an effect by him so he could stay in the material world. His goal is to live, and he will do it by any means.

Great episode, so many questions. I feel sorry for Cooper :(.
 Quoting: TassieLurker


1.) Yes, after all those years they have become one
2.) Um...no. Bob is/was an entity. Bob does not have money. Or only the money his meat suit has. And it doesn't look like Cooper is swimming in millions. And he seems pretty desperate at this point since he is being called back to The Black Lodge in the next 24 hours.
3.) That's one theory. I believe that it is most likely some OTHER entity which saw the doorway that opened when Cooper arrived from The Waiting Room and took advantage of entering this realm as well. The question - besides what exactly it was - is whether or not it is still here.
4.) Definitely more of the dark feel of Fire Walk With Me than the original series. I think this will continue. The lack of music almost seems like a statement from Lynch about the lack of much good music within the real world these days.
5.) Yeah, he is desperate. I'm thinking that he was trying to get himself arrested. Could the bars in a jail cell be a way of stopping something from grabbing him and taking him back?

Nice to see you REALLY thinking when you watch. Keep posting here as it goes along. Between us, we MAY be able to figure some things out.








So we just watched the very first pilot for series one and my question is does it get any better? this seems overly the top dramatic and downright corny at times.

We are always late for these series, we actually just started the walking dead this past winter and binge watched every season until we were caught up in only a month. I didn't think I would like TWD but we ended up loving it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70890511


See my previous posts. It was meant to be a send up of all of those night time soap operas like Dallas and Knots Landing. With a big, grand storyline underneath it. Just keep watching. It gets better and better the longer it goes on. By the time you get to the end of Season 2 and move on to Fire Walk With Me you won't even recognize it as the same show. And now, it's becoming even better and deeper.


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