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WTF? We didn't suffer a military defeat in Vietnam?

 
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WTF? We didn't suffer a military defeat in Vietnam?
I was always taught in school that our military lost in Vietnam, but now I have discovered that we were totally WINNING the shooting war but our politicians got scared by a bunch of hippies back home. Why do they lie to kids about it?
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Re: WTF? We didn't suffer a military defeat in Vietnam?
It was a defeat allright.

I remember it well.

Utterly fucken SHAT on despite all the bombs and napapm n shit.

A total slaughter.
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05/24/2017 07:43 AM
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Re: WTF? We didn't suffer a military defeat in Vietnam?
who are "we"

our politicians?

bunch of hippies ?

or me?


or you?
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Re: WTF? We didn't suffer a military defeat in Vietnam?
We were their for the oil and China said it is an Asian deposit for Asians.
That is why we left
It is a larger deposit than the middle East combined.
Government is a body largely ungoverned.
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Re: WTF? We didn't suffer a military defeat in Vietnam?
trillions in dollars and thousands of lives wasted for nothing.

the proverbial red, white and blue dildo.
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05/24/2017 10:13 AM
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Re: WTF? We didn't suffer a military defeat in Vietnam?
The French fought the North Vietmanise for 10 years and got their arse kicked.America then tried and even with their mighty military machine got their arses kicked.
America was shipping back drugs into America in body bags and some have said they were even sending drugs back in body cavities of their dead solders.Does Afganistan sound like this war and I suppose America will say they won Afganistan in the end.
America has not won a war they started,came in when it was all over in ww1,ww2 and claim they one those.
Dont mention the use of weapons of mass destruction used on the Japanese
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Re: WTF? We didn't suffer a military defeat in Vietnam?
I was always taught in school that our military lost in Vietnam, but now I have discovered that we were totally WINNING the shooting war but our politicians got scared by a bunch of hippies back home. Why do they lie to kids about it?
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We had two choices annihilate the North Vietnamese or walk away from it.
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Re: WTF? We didn't suffer a military defeat in Vietnam?
The French fought the North Vietmanise for 10 years and got their arse kicked.America then tried and even with their mighty military machine got their arses kicked.
America was shipping back drugs into America in body bags and some have said they were even sending drugs back in body cavities of their dead solders.Does Afganistan sound like this war and I suppose America will say they won Afganistan in the end.
America has not won a war they started,came in when it was all over in ww1,ww2 and claim they one those.
Dont mention the use of weapons of mass destruction used on the Japanese
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First of all you are an Australian and you don't have the intellect to be posting on forums, secondly you are probably a barefoot bogan so you really should be ashamed to even speak your wretched mind. Now fuck off Nancy girl!
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Re: WTF? We didn't suffer a military defeat in Vietnam?
I was always taught in school that our military lost in Vietnam, but now I have discovered that we were totally WINNING the shooting war but our politicians got scared by a bunch of hippies back home. Why do they lie to kids about it?
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True, we decisively won the battles.

Look who runs compulsory education in America.

It's the democrat leftists.

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Re: WTF? We didn't suffer a military defeat in Vietnam?
It was a defeat allright.

I remember it well.

Utterly fucken SHAT on despite all the bombs and napapm n shit.

A total slaughter.
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South Vietnamise army got squished because their president did the Hitler and thought he could do a general's job and direct battles himself. He also did a wonderful job turning the general population against the regime. A first class moron and a petty tyrant us Americans bled for.

We won a decisive military victory and then we quit.
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Re: WTF? We didn't suffer a military defeat in Vietnam?
It was a defeat allright.

I remember it well.

Utterly fucken SHAT on despite all the bombs and napapm n shit.

A total slaughter.
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like hell it was.

The TET offensive was a complete disaster for the NVA.

Militarily, they were defeated.

which is why they came to the peace table in Geneva.
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05/24/2017 11:23 AM
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Re: WTF? We didn't suffer a military defeat in Vietnam?
It was a defeat allright.

I remember it well.

Utterly fucken SHAT on despite all the bombs and napapm n shit.

A total slaughter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74956015


like hell it was.

The TET offensive was a complete disaster for the NVA.

Militarily, they were defeated.

which is why they came to the peace table in Geneva.

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EXACTLY. We kicked their asses every time EVEN with the PUBLISHED "rules of engagement".
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Re: WTF? We didn't suffer a military defeat in Vietnam?
Yes it was the Rules of Engagement that crippled US Forces from wiping out the NVA. If search and destroy was allowed
to act in Laos, Thailand, N/S.Vietnam...with full American Force, there would have been a Military and Political Victory.
The NVA Strongholds in those countries would have been B52'd to death and supplies and bases would no longer exist to help.
Yes Disney World in Hanoi 2017.
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05/24/2017 11:51 AM
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Re: WTF? We didn't suffer a military defeat in Vietnam?
What if you came to understand that Vietnam was just a massive drill and weapons test for the US MIC?
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Re: WTF? We didn't suffer a military defeat in Vietnam?
Yes it was the Rules of Engagement that crippled US Forces from wiping out the NVA. If search and destroy was allowed
to act in Laos, Thailand, N/S.Vietnam...with full American Force, there would have been a Military and Political Victory.
The NVA Strongholds in those countries would have been B52'd to death and supplies and bases would no longer exist to help.
Yes Disney World in Hanoi 2017.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7518


Your point is moot, since Tonkin is a proven bull shit false flag undertaken by traitors who your country should have strung up.

And if you reply that Tonkin was not a false flag, then you are too stupid to be taken seriously.
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Re: WTF? We didn't suffer a military defeat in Vietnam?
Yes it was the Rules of Engagement that crippled US Forces from wiping out the NVA. If search and destroy was allowed
to act in Laos, Thailand, N/S.Vietnam...with full American Force, there would have been a Military and Political Victory.
The NVA Strongholds in those countries would have been B52'd to death and supplies and bases would no longer exist to help.
Yes Disney World in Hanoi 2017.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7518


Your point is moot, since Tonkin is a proven bull shit false flag undertaken by traitors who your country should have strung up.

And if you reply that Tonkin was not a false flag, then you are too stupid to be taken seriously.
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Re: WTF? We didn't suffer a military defeat in Vietnam?
Yes it was the Rules of Engagement that crippled US Forces from wiping out the NVA. If search and destroy was allowed
to act in Laos, Thailand, N/S.Vietnam...with full American Force, there would have been a Military and Political Victory.
The NVA Strongholds in those countries would have been B52'd to death and supplies and bases would no longer exist to help.
Yes Disney World in Hanoi 2017.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7518


Your point is moot, since Tonkin is a proven bull shit false flag undertaken by traitors who your country should have strung up.

And if you reply that Tonkin was not a false flag, then you are too stupid to be taken seriously.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74957334


We are talking about the MILITARY FORCE defeating the NVA...
A False Flag Tonkin Bay incident is not the point dumbass.
The US had more firepower and did defeat the NVA but due to
the political strategies of the US Government, it was not allowed to implement a full scale woop ass on the NVA.
Stay on POINT.
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Re: WTF? We didn't suffer a military defeat in Vietnam?
The French fought the North Vietmanise for 10 years and got their arse kicked.America then tried and even with their mighty military machine got their arses kicked.
America was shipping back drugs into America in body bags and some have said they were even sending drugs back in body cavities of their dead solders.Does Afganistan sound like this war and I suppose America will say they won Afganistan in the end.
America has not won a war they started,came in when it was all over in ww1,ww2 and claim they one those.
Dont mention the use of weapons of mass destruction used on the Japanese
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72754865


First of all you are an Australian and you don't have the intellect to be posting on forums, secondly you are probably a barefoot bogan so you really should be ashamed to even speak your wretched mind. Now fuck off Nancy girl!
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everything that was said was true though. even in australia they know america doesnt win wars lol.
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Re: WTF? We didn't suffer a military defeat in Vietnam?
The French fought the North Vietmanise for 10 years and got their arse kicked.America then tried and even with their mighty military machine got their arses kicked.
America was shipping back drugs into America in body bags and some have said they were even sending drugs back in body cavities of their dead solders.Does Afganistan sound like this war and I suppose America will say they won Afganistan in the end.
America has not won a war they started,came in when it was all over in ww1,ww2 and claim they one those.
Dont mention the use of weapons of mass destruction used on the Japanese
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That's because the curses of deut 28 came following the counter culture of sin by those damn hippies. God stopped giving America the victory unlike before this pivotal time.
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Re: WTF? We didn't suffer a military defeat in Vietnam?
Also, because guerilla tactics were used by the viet cong and that cannot be defeated unless total genocide of all males are carried out.
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Re: WTF? We didn't suffer a military defeat in Vietnam?
People think fake news is a new thing.
The war was lost by Walter Cronkite.
With a little help from LBJ.
We had one hand tied behind us and still won.
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Re: WTF? We didn't suffer a military defeat in Vietnam?
We were their for the oil and China said it is an Asian deposit for Asians.
That is why we left
It is a larger deposit than the middle East combined.
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Yep

EVERYTHING "they' do is for G-O-D....Guns...Oil...Drugs...

The rules of engagement would not allow our troops to win...
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Re: WTF? We didn't suffer a military defeat in Vietnam?
There was no end game. It's just like the U.S. in Afghanistan now. It's not about achieving geopolitical objectives. It's about holding an internal enemy at bay. But for how long? We thought the North would give up. They didn't. They were relentless, as the Taliban are in Afghanistan. Wave after wave after wave. We have/had no business either place.

The funny thing is... Both Vietnam and Afghanistan have/had a common denominator -- OPIUM.

Coincidence? I think you all know the answer.
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Re: WTF? We didn't suffer a military defeat in Vietnam?
Political defeats are defeats too.

Technically Germany did not militarily lose WW1 since the allies never said foot on german soil. Yet revolutions broke out and the government gave up.
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Re: WTF? We didn't suffer a military defeat in Vietnam?
Political defeats are defeats too.

Technically Germany did not militarily lose WW1 since the allies never said foot on german soil. Yet revolutions broke out and the government gave up.
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^Exactly. An incredible fact that not many realize. No enemy soldier ever set foot on German soil in WWI, yet Germany surrendered unconditionally.

From this fact -- if you continue to dig/research -- you will discover Hitler's justifiable suspicion of Jewish subterfuge against Germany in order to acquire Palestine.

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Re: WTF? We didn't suffer a military defeat in Vietnam?
The French fought the North Vietmanise for 10 years and got their arse kicked.America then tried and even with their mighty military machine got their arses kicked.
America was shipping back drugs into America in body bags and some have said they were even sending drugs back in body cavities of their dead solders.Does Afganistan sound like this war and I suppose America will say they won Afganistan in the end.
America has not won a war they started,came in when it was all over in ww1,ww2 and claim they one those.
Dont mention the use of weapons of mass destruction used on the Japanese
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72754865


That's because the curses of deut 28 came following the counter culture of sin by those damn hippies. God stopped giving America the victory unlike before this pivotal time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74948164


It was those damned hippies that lost the vn war.

I did not realize that. I thought it was because China was sending an unending supply of bodies to kill and we couldn't keep up.

Yes, I still remember the helicopters taking off from the US Embassy with People trying to hang on to escape.


"Peace with Honor" Kissinger style.

It wasn't called a loss, OP, but it sure as fuck wasn't a win. It was Let's get the fuck out of here.

I didn't count. Did anymore "dominoes" fall after VN? Was there a bloodbath? A few?

What politicians learned from VN is to never show dead American boys, and never show the plane loads of US flag covered coffins. and don't give a nightly body count. And don't draft soldiers because college students will protest.
Funny how 'social security' has a shortfall...but never WELFARE!

Gimme a break.

Somehow, we can always afford ALL types of welfare (even for millions of illegal immigrants!), plus billions in foreign aid to nations that hate us...BUT...social security is a "problem".

Nah, the problem is the goobermint...Unknown AC.


Blame it on my ADD, baby.


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Re: WTF? We didn't suffer a military defeat in Vietnam?
It was a defeat allright.

I remember it well.

Utterly fucken SHAT on despite all the bombs and napapm n shit.

A total slaughter.
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alright, did vietnam join the U.N.?
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Re: WTF? We didn't suffer a military defeat in Vietnam?
The politicians sucked then as they suck now.
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Re: WTF? We didn't suffer a military defeat in Vietnam?
VNA and VietCong destroyed themselves in the Tet Offensive. They were decimated and would have been a pushover if the politicians would have agreed to the military's request for 200 000 troops for a reserve.

The politicians surrendered to hippies and we had to bail out on our ally. That was pure cowardice.

The military was victorious but politicians surrendered.
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Re: WTF? We didn't suffer a military defeat in Vietnam?
VNA and VietCong destroyed themselves in the Tet Offensive. They were decimated and would have been a pushover if the politicians would have agreed to the military's request for 200 000 troops for a reserve.

The politicians surrendered to hippies and we had to bail out on our ally. That was pure cowardice.

The military was victorious but politicians surrendered.
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NVA not VNA.


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