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FOR ALL TRUTH SEEKERS!!!

 
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Is the great deception that we are warned about in the Bible already upon us??

Lets take a look and see what it says. The following passage is from the second book of Thessalonians chapter 2 verses 1-12

Interestingly enough, my Bible is the New King James version, and this passage is subtitled as:

"The Great Apostasy"

1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
iniquity

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
mouth Isa 11:4, Rev 2:16

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
signs Matt 24:24, Rev 13:13

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


I'm sure that many of you are familiar with the recent "discovery" of the tomb of Jesus Christ and His family, as well as the supposed remains of His earthly body. Is anyone else not surprised at the timing of the release of this news? Right before Easter and how many Christians celebrate His ressurection on this day?!

Ok...food for thought here. What do you think will happen when many Christians who believe in God and the Christian faith begin to fall for this deception? One blog I read said that not only would it "shake Christianity to it's very foundations, but would completely annihilate it! What then happens to these people's original belief in the God of the Bible? Think about that for a bit while I bring up another point that hit me like a ton of bricks while taking my shower this morning...

How many of you who are familiar with the book of Revelation have ever seen the actual word "anti-christ" in it? Think about this one for a minute and let it sink in. You will notice that the term that we have been conditioned to believe in, is actually no where found in this book. It is found in the gospels like Mathew 24 where Christ warns us of the "spirit of anti-christ" and how it was already in the world during His life here on earth, but to my knowlege, not once is the term Anti-christ mentioned in the book of Revelation. What IS mentioned are the terms, "Man of sin", and "Son of perdition" it is also mentioned that this person will claim himself to be God! It does not say that he claims to be the SON of God, but rather GOD HIMSELF!

Now...why is this so important?? Because not only is this man even more evil and dangerous by claiming to be God, but he is also a greater deception than we thought because we will be looking for some one who claims to be Christ, not God himself!

Lets look at it from another angle...

The book of Revelation speaks of a "great falling away" that must take place before that "Man of sin" is revealed. Look above at verse 3...

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Many have wondered how can this be? How can a believer be convinced to leave the faith, and then to be made to believe in one who claims to be God? To that I have to answer...

What if all that they base their faith on can be "disproven" through "scientific evidence?" and what if we are at the threshold of that "evidence" today?! What if this recent "discovery" IS the great deception that Jesus warned us about?? If this thing goes over like I believe it will and if the timing (right before or around Easter time) is perfect to plant this deception, then this will turn the world of Christiandom on it's head! This is so important for us to see people!

It is my humble opinion that this will happen and the people will be so confused and angry at having been "lied to" that they will be ripe for the pickin when the Man of sin claims himself to be THE TRUE GOD!!!

I can't stress this enough! I am both excited but also scared at this point, because if I am right, we are VERY CLOSE to His return.

In closing, I would like to say that of course there is a chance I could be wrong, as I an no scholar, but rather, like many of you looking for the truth and being VERY cautious of what tptb are trying to convince us that "truth" is! but if I am right, I HAVE to get this message out to the other Truth Seekers out there!

Make no mistake about it! The stage is being set, the actors are in their place, the spotlight is upon them and the curtain is about to be raised on the greatest deception to befall mankind!

I must leave for work now, but I will respond to any and all inquireys when I return tonight...
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Guess I timed out, but the Op is me, Lady Wolf:)
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Everyone is seeking Truth, but in vain: few are finding it, only more lies and bullshit.

Who has truth, hmm? I do: but that is not relevant so long as you invest your soul in the Bible or some other arcane tome.

Search for the Real: that is the only way.
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Guess I timed out, but the Op is me, Lady Wolf:)
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Hello, Lady Wolf. hf
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Hi Lady wolf

I don't see how anything can destroy the revelation that God gives us of Christ and Him resurrected. For me it is impossible. If I was to deny Christ with my lips, then I know in my spirit that I am lying with my lips. Peter denied knowing Christ when he was confronted, but because his own spirit knew different he never lost his revelation given by the Father to him. As Jesus said, the gates of hell cannot destroy the truth given to us.

Was Jesus lying when He said that no one could take His sheep away from Him? Was He lying to Peter when He said the gates of hell could not destroy Peter knowing that Jesus was the Christ.

An interesting thing about Peter is that no sooner had Jesus told Him that nothing could destroy the rock he was given, and in the next breath Jesus told Peter that he would deny HIm 3 times. Peter was not afraid to die for His Lord, he went up against the military that came to arrest Jesus and drew his sword and attacked one of them by cutting off the soldier's ear.

So did Peter fall away by denying Christ when confronted, No, Peter was given over to satan to be sifted that the prophecy may be fulfilled.

Matthew 26
31 Then Jesus said to them, “All of you will be made to stumble because of Me this night, for it is written:


‘ I will strike the Shepherd,
And the sheep of the flock will be scattered.’

If a falling away from the faith is prophecied, then how can anyone alter the written word of God.

Be still and know the He is God.
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Hi Lady Wolf,

Thanks for the post.

I don't want to take anything away from the significance of what is going on, but the way I see it the great falling away actually began long ago.

A large percentage of churchianity's doctrine and tradition began in the 300 AD timeframe. Even the Protestants claiming to go back to the Bible still follow many of the early Roman Catholic traditions.

You mention Easter a number of times. I encourage everyone here calling themselves 'Christian' to do a diligent study of Easter. It's been around for much longer than 2,000 years. If you celebrate Easter make sure you know the origin of the word 'Easter'.

Don't get me wrong. I firmly believe in the resurrection of the Anointed One, my Saviour. However, the significance of the Cruxifiction followed 3 days and 3 nights later by the Resurrection event is that it occurred at Passover. When Jesus taught His followers the breaking of bread and wine, He was showing us how to keep Passover. He is the ultimate fulfillment of the Passover sacrifice---the True Lamb of God.

Thanks again for the post.
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Everyone is seeking Truth, but in vain: few are finding it, only more lies and bullshit.

Who has truth, hmm? I do: but that is not relevant so long as you invest your soul in the Bible or some other arcane tome.

Search for the Real: that is the only way.
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Hello Random and thanks for responding:) I just wanted to say that it is my belief that even though their is very real and convincing evidence that the Bible was tampered with and changed, ( I.E the Council of Nicea sp? the many books of scripture that were left out etc.) I believe that there was much left untouched by tptb, and that with sincere prayer for guidance, there is still much for the follower of Christ to learn from this book.
Real truth is self evident...
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Hi Lady wolf

I don't see how anything can destroy the revelation that God gives us of Christ and Him resurrected. For me it is impossible. If I was to deny Christ with my lips, then I know in my spirit that I am lying with my lips. Peter denied knowing Christ when he was confronted, but because his own spirit knew different he never lost his revelation given by the Father to him. As Jesus said, the gates of hell cannot destroy the truth given to us.

Was Jesus lying when He said that no one could take His sheep away from Him? Was He lying to Peter when He said the gates of hell could not destroy Peter knowing that Jesus was the Christ.

An interesting thing about Peter is that no sooner had Jesus told Him that nothing could destroy the rock he was given, and in the next breath Jesus told Peter that he would deny HIm 3 times. Peter was not afraid to die for His Lord, he went up against the military that came to arrest Jesus and drew his sword and attacked one of them by cutting off the soldier's ear.

So did Peter fall away by denying Christ when confronted, No, Peter was given over to satan to be sifted that the prophecy may be fulfilled.

Matthew 26
31 Then Jesus said to them, “All of you will be made to stumble because of Me this night, for it is written:


‘ I will strike the Shepherd,
And the sheep of the flock will be scattered.’

If a falling away from the faith is prophecied, then how can anyone alter the written word of God.

Be still and know the He is God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 186930


AC thanks for responding:) Sometimes, I have difficulty getting my thought patterns across, especially when I am emotional as I was when I wrote this earlier today. My contention was that those who profess to be Christians but who do not have a true relationship with God, but rather seem to be all about the church and church doings are the ones that I feel will be decieved by this. We are told that many will be deceived, and there are many "luke warm" Christians today who, sadly, will fall into that catagory. Those who truly know God and know what His word says about these times we are currently living in, will know the difference between the lies that tptb will try and fool many with and the truth.
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Hi Lady Wolf,

Thanks for the post.

I don't want to take anything away from the significance of what is going on, but the way I see it the great falling away actually began long ago.

A large percentage of churchianity's doctrine and tradition began in the 300 AD timeframe. Even the Protestants claiming to go back to the Bible still follow many of the early Roman Catholic traditions.

You mention Easter a number of times. I encourage everyone here calling themselves 'Christian' to do a diligent study of Easter. It's been around for much longer than 2,000 years. If you celebrate Easter make sure you know the origin of the word 'Easter'.

Don't get me wrong. I firmly believe in the resurrection of the Anointed One, my Saviour. However, the significance of the Cruxifiction followed 3 days and 3 nights later by the Resurrection event is that it occurred at Passover. When Jesus taught His followers the breaking of bread and wine, He was showing us how to keep Passover. He is the ultimate fulfillment of the Passover sacrifice---the True Lamb of God.

Thanks again for the post.
 Quoting: Sign of Jonah


Hello Jonah and thanks for responding:)

While I'm aware of the true Pagan origins of the holidays that many Christians celebrate today such as Christmas, Easter, Birthdays etc. I made a decision long ago to celebrate these days from my heart and in my own way. You see, I know that God looks at our hearts and our motives for the things that we do, and I know that He knows that when I set up my nativity scene during Christmas and place a star or an angel at the top of my Christmas tree, I am showing honor to His son's birth. I think that when Christ came, He made it all about the heart and the intent of the heart, rather than about symbolisms and such. I feel that the following passage supports my views on this...

"Let no man judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body (is) of Christ."

Colossians 2:16
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Have you ever considered that possibly Jesus WAS crucified and had a near death experience returning to his body before that 72 hours time period where the gate closes and he returned to his body so resurrected and he toured over to Kashmir,India after a Glastonbury detour with Hebron and Joseph of Arimethea and party while Magdalene went on to France from Gibraltar to shield him from discovery and continued his long life spreading much more wisdom which IS recorded over in that Kashmir regions and the regions he walked. Is it possible the ones who sought control of his words and changed them to place them selves in power LEFT OUT or burned the writings of this being known.How do you explain his bilocation all over the Americas 3D after his resurrection time frame?

I knew a doctor who wrote "To Paradise and Back", Dr. Richard Eby, D.O. who died and was in the morgue and they missed the embalming schedule after he fell several stories from a balcony on his head. He still had his big rope thread they used to sew his scalp down for later mortician things. They noticed him blink. He wound up since he was a gynecologist in the hosptial morgue they didn't fear him sueing them so they placed him though brain dead they feared or oxygen deprived in ICU and on the third day he woke up.He definitely still had the big holes scars on his forhead under his front forhead line from the rope type thread the morgue uses so he definitely had got that experience as its like fishing line not suture material diameter.

Perhaps one should study closely the Islamic books discussing Jesus among them after the crucifixion time period and Mother Mary being in his household in some period and Marya joining much later.This would not then deflect from all his truths and wisdom just some records got changed by those who wished to control the populace.It was after the crucifixion time period the Islamic books place him walking among them and a great prophet and respected beloved leader among them compared on par with Mohammed.2,000 years is a long time to change things by those with governmental and political agendas.Why else were the Cathars who held the stories or family lore or knowledge so crucified as Magdalene with Sarah and party surely spoke of these things to their inner circle.

When all the truths come up perhaps a more complete picture will be revealed with all having portions of things 2,000 years ago.Even getting aNY history straight over 50 years is a mess. Look at how many versions of just the truth of the JFK murder in full video viewing have been revealed, concelaed and now are surfacing. Just consider mere humans trying to please powers that be over 2,000 years might influence things or how one interpeted what one had at hand to translate with a murdering emperoror or Pope standing at ones hand telling you it did not say that, did it?to expect none to succumb over 2,000 years under "oath" or honoring God look at all who are forced to under "oath" swear many lies and do so under durress of family or life.
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Hello Curious and thanks for responding:)

Indeed it will be a wonderful time when all truth and hidden secrets are revealed. While I don't consider myself a fundementalist, there are certain beliefs that I hold strongly to. It has been my own personal experience and relationship with God that has revealed some deeply held truths to me. While your surmisings paint an interesting picture, I'm going to go with what God as revealed to me in His word to be true, and that is that Jesus Christ, did die, whereas His body laid in the tomb for 3 days and nights and He then became alive again and ascended into Heaven where He sits at the right hand of God as the "first fruits" of the resurection, awaiting His second return to earth to gather together all that are His. May God bless you in the revealing of His truth to you. rose
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"Let no man judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body (is) of Christ."

Colossians 2:16

Exactly.

That shadow of things to come is here right now. All those who have been hoodwinked into believing that they had to go to church, that they had to worship, that they had to celebrate the correct feast days, that you can't eat this or drink that.

IT'S ALL JUDAIC BULLSHIT!

That was the WHOLE POINT about Jesus return - to put an end to all of that Luciferian nonsense once and for all. Mankind had reached the stage by which we were ready to live "under grace" and by the Word of the holy spirit that resides within us. Yet almost all that call themselves "Christians" chose to enslave themselves under the old, rigid Luciferian system that drives people to insanity.

Take a look around at the insane violence that has ensued since many chose to reject Christ's gift of mercy and grace. He removed the shackles of Luciferian idolatry and vain worship yet many chose to put them straight back on because they allowed priests and pastors to guide them rather than their personal inner spirits.

All as prophecised.
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Perhaps we should hold fast our faith which ever one it is which contains writings on the words spoken of Jesus both in Christian and Islamic texts and others archeologically discovered until he makes known his reincarnation presence here on Earth and settles his history memories of his past life him self. He did say many would mix up his words himself down through time. One might even want to compare the new Testament in red portions with the manuscripts of the Talmud of Jmmanuel and coordinate them with the Islamic records of Jesus among them after the crucifixion. Maybe resurrection meant just that. He returned to his body.Certainly when who we call Jesus resurrected Lazarus from death, he walked around just fine resurrected from his neaer death passed over state for long years and went on to France with Magdalene and Martha.Perhaps those in power just WANTED us to think the resurrection of Lazarus and Moses were different when it might have literally both meant the same.Just like virgin meant only "young woman" and implied nothing about one's hymenal state.Certainly many of the words in red regarding ones ways of living should be regarded by all to be a measure of being in regards to ourselves and one another.All I can say is 2012 hurry up.

Reverend Moon claims and has recognized himself as Jesus reincarnated due to a vision when he was 15 and the Capital has given him ceremony as such, but his actions and words are in direct opposition to ANY of the words recorded as Jesus speaking 2,000 years ago and to expect Jesus to reincarnate and approve drug lording and control it hiself and prostitution and pedophilic things as normal was precisely exposing the Zion talmudic laws right before his crucifixion. He made quite a point of referring to his God as his Father in Heaven and not Jehovah separating himself from the Talmudic ones who had quite deplorable "laws" of child pleasuring being right and no "sin" incurred which seems to be what this Reverend Moon seems to be trending us into accepting with his Bush /Moon Paraguay estate the size of two states. He often said he and the Jewish Talmud ones did not have the SAME God in mind.As HIS Father in Heaven, the true God of all people would not approve the money laundering nor the abuse of the children declared normal and even sanctified and "kosher".Were I to pick the anti christ I would study the net on Reverend Moon and his position behind the current regime and the Hill and even Jerry Falwell lauding him after he bailed him out financially having denounced him as the antiChrist before the 10 million dollar bail out of his school.
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"Let no man judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body (is) of Christ."

Colossians 2:16

Exactly.

That shadow of things to come is here right now. All those who have been hoodwinked into believing that they had to go to church, that they had to worship, that they had to celebrate the correct feast days, that you can't eat this or drink that.

IT'S ALL JUDAIC BULLSHIT!

That was the WHOLE POINT about Jesus return - to put an end to all of that Luciferian nonsense once and for all. Mankind had reached the stage by which we were ready to live "under grace" and by the Word of the holy spirit that resides within us. Yet almost all that call themselves "Christians" chose to enslave themselves under the old, rigid Luciferian system that drives people to insanity.

Take a look around at the insane violence that has ensued since many chose to reject Christ's gift of mercy and grace. He removed the shackles of Luciferian idolatry and vain worship yet many chose to put them straight back on because they allowed priests and pastors to guide them rather than their personal inner spirits.

All as prophecised.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 203256


AC thank you for responding:)

While I am in agreement with you about these laws no longer applying to beleivers today, I also would be careful about characterising them as "bullshit" given that these very holy laws were given to the Jewish people from the direct hand of God, as a forshadow of things to come and to be fulfilled in Christ! Just because they no longer apply to us today, did not make them wrong or invalid or "bullshit" to the Jews prior to Christ's death.
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Curious: Those were some interesting things that you wrote about Reverend Moon. While I have heard of this man, as well as our capitol paying him homage, I had no idea of some of his beliefs. Wow! This guy is way out there if he thinks that people will except a "Jesus Christ" who ordains prostitution and child sex abuse! If these things are true about him, I find it absolutely deplorable that our govt. would have taken part in a ceremony with him!
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Hello Random and thanks for responding:) I just wanted to say that it is my belief that even though their is very real and convincing evidence that the Bible was tampered with and changed, ( I.E the Council of Nicea sp? the many books of scripture that were left out etc.) I believe that there was much left untouched by tptb, and that with sincere prayer for guidance, there is still much for the follower of Christ to learn from this book.
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You are quite right, Lady Wolf, there is much merit to be found in the Holy books of many religions if sought with a true heart and a focused mind. I sense you have both: peace and blessings, sister. hf
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Hello Random, and I would quite agree with your assessment. There is much to be gleaned from other books. It is sad that many Christians do not know their own history and know nothing about how the cannon of scripture that we call the Bible today is merely alacart, if you will, of all of the original writings, many of whom Christ Himself taught from. Even in other religious writings there are wonderful nuggets of truth to be found!

Blessings to you too brother. rose
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