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Gripe of the day: EV "price per KW figures" and how they come up with them. COMPLETELY MISLEADING

 
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Gripe of the day: EV "price per KW figures" and how they come up with them. COMPLETELY MISLEADING
If you're in the market for a new car and are considering a plug-in hybrid or an EV, you need to read this.

First of all, they compare gasoline prices to electric prices with figures that you cant find anywhere in the country but if you absolutely must use their magical numbers of super expensive gas and super cheap electricity, know this:

On your electric bill you are charged for a whole bunch of things. Those things include the following:

--Electricity: The actual number of KW/H of power you use.
--Taxes: Taxes directly based on how much you consume!
--Service Charges: these are sometimes a flat fee or based on consumption with a minimum fee
--Regulatory Fees: more taxes based on consumption
--Other fees: there are plenty... all based on consumption
and finally.... drum roll please........

--DELVERY FEE: This is what the utility charges you PER KWH to get the power to your house. This covers the cost of line maintenance, construction, permitting, power outages, trucks... basically this is the utility's product. they don't usually make electricity, they resell it and a VERY small profit. Utilities are distributors and this is the cost of getting someone else's electricity to your house. Now, this fee is usually AS HIGH AS OR HIGHER THAN THE ACTUAL COST OF THE ELECTRICITY!! If your bill is $100 per month and the energy portion of $40 and everything else is totals up to $60, would you say you pay $40 or electricity per month or $100?

Well, this is exactly what the EV companies are doing. They're comparing gasoline prices per mile to electricity at $0.07/KWH. If I look at my bill, Electricity is $.105 per KWH and delivery is almost $0.09/KWH. that comes to grand total of $0.195/KWH. EVERYONE PAYS EXTREMELY HIGH DELIVERY FEES. It's criminal they done include this in their math.

If they did, A highly efficient gasoline car WILL be less expensive to operate than an EV. EVs are not a dream come true. They're cool as hell but largely a novelty at this point. They cost more to own and operate.

DONT BE FOOLED BY THIS FUZZY MATH!! Look at your bill. divide the GRAND TOTAL by the number of KWH's you used that month. That number, and that number alone is what you paid for electricity. It'll be closer to 20cents. NOT 7 CENTS.

Stay frosty.

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Re: Gripe of the day: EV "price per KW figures" and how they come up with them. COMPLETELY MISLEADING
But there wont be any gas or diesel fuel very soon.

“Everyone needs to quit turning their nose up at the apocalypse and thinking they'll escape it somehow”

This may be the most important article you ever read. The OIL AGE IS ENDING. Not in one hundred years, not fifty but IN 5 YEARS!

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Oil can only be useful as an energy source if the energy contained in the product (ie: transport fuel) is greater than the energy required to extract, refine and deliver the fuel to the end user.
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Re: Gripe of the day: EV "price per KW figures" and how they come up with them. COMPLETELY MISLEADING
Oil can only be useful as an energy source if the energy contained in the product (ie: transport fuel) is greater than the energy required to extract, refine and deliver the fuel to the end user.
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Nonsense. We can waste ten gallons of oil to produce one gallon of gasoline if we want to. Oil is free. No money has to exchange hands for a well to acquire it. If we can put pumped oil back to work extracting and processing more oil, then it doesn't matter how inefficient, wasteful or process intensive it is to generate useful energy. It's just simply inefficient and wasteful.

Now, I'm not advocating this type of inefficient use of hydrocarbon based fuel, I'm just pointing out that there isn't any real limit to how wasteful we can be and still yield a gasoline or diesel based fuel. The crux of the problem is when the actual COST of processing exceeds a price people can afford for the finished product. Cost, however, are derived from human labor and external resources (electricity, etc). As modernization of these processes evolve and automation continues to advance, we'll likely see the increased costs of processing countered with the reduction of actual costs with these types of advancements.

Remember, necessity is the mother of innovation. I'm very confident as costs become crippling to consumers, innovation will provide new and less expensive solutions. But to my point, electric cards are a square peg in a round hole. We're trying to force a solution for a problem hat doesn't yet exist and the only way to do it is to lie about the solution to sell it. People don't need it and the only way they'll buy it is if it's a novelty or they're convinced they can save money. The latter is a flat out lie however.





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