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Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?

 
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Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
If a star explodes, the radiation waves (X, gamma, etc.) would reach Earth at the speed of light (assume a constant "c" vakue).

But what about gravity? Gravitational waves weren't included in Einstein body of work.

Just recently, some gravitational waves were sensed, but no speed has been measured yet.

Are the gravity effects instantaneous?
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
I can't even fathom what a gravitational wave truly is . Does it move faster than light ?
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
There is no gravity...

However there is density & buoyancy.

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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
I would think it acts like water.so it only react's the speed of the objects that disturbed the gravity.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
The only available resources that I can think of we could use would be how the moon's gravity affects the ocean tides. If you could measure the start of the depression of the ocean at a point and then the moment light reflecting off the moon hits the same point, you might be able to get a close idea of the speed of gravity; if there is such a thing. I would think of gravity as a field that could be considered an object. The larger the field the stronger the gravity, it is not a moving object but a force that affects matter in an area around an object that expands and contracts depending on it's strength.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
always thought it was 9.80 m/sec2
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
The is no gravity...

However there is density & buoyancy.
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oh shut the fuck up. try and find the southern cross in the northern hemisphere
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
the speed of gravity would be the exact same as electrical current. It is not a question of how long but how large.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
always thought it was 9.80 m/sec2
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that's acceleration due to gravity. op is talking about how fast the effects of gravity propagate
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
If a star explodes, the radiation waves (X, gamma, etc.) would reach Earth at the speed of light (assume a constant "c" vakue).

But what about gravity? Gravitational waves weren't included in Einstein body of work.

Just recently, some gravitational waves were sensed, but no speed has been measured yet.

Are the gravity effects instantaneous?
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Einstein assumed that gravity moved at the speed of light.

Newton though gravity to be instantaneous.

Einstein was much closer to correct as infinite speed has been ruled out and there have been measurements showing that gravitational waves propagate near c.

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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
It's equivalent to the speed of light because gravity IS darkLight
299,792,458 meters per sec
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
There is a lab: The Laser Interferometer Gravitational-Wave Observatory (LIGO), exclusively devoted to detect gravity waves from outer space, working since 2011.

They measure the loss of mass throug loss of energy in neutron stars' orbits, wich decays. The decrease in orbital speed can be detected from Earth.

BUT it is an indirect measurement, and is based on observations from data that comes at Earth at the speed of light.

Hence, the speed of gravitational waves is not measured. They only have proven its existance.

Gravitational waves are very small forces, but is believed that development in this field could conduct to new ways to travel in space with a spacecraft, in the future.

No formal theory has yet been developed. Only empirical measurements.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
Just my own theory here, but I think gravity is faster than the speed of light. If the sun were to blink out of existence, I don't believe that we would be held in orbit for the next few minutes until the speed of light caught up and all the planets just started following their un-gravity controlled trajectories. Imagine a rubber band breaking, but with an instantaneous effect.
I only imagine this theory because gravity is stronger than the speed of light; so; why couldn't it be faster? And since it can be faster, how can we properly measure it since we don't have the tech yet?
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
Would measuring gravitational waves be the same thing as measuring the propagation of a body's gravitational force upon another?

I think we may have two different things here.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
gravity is fake
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
It's equivalent to the speed of light because gravity IS darkLight
299,792,458 meters per sec
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I don't believe that such a thing as darklight exists. Gravity is one of the four forces assumed to exists at macro and microspace.

And yet many scientist doubt there is such a force. Newton only found a way to describe movements in the solar system on an EUCLIDIAN space. This means, using x,y,z linear coordinates.

The Universe can't be explained unless it's assumed that lies on a non-Euclidian space (everything is non-linear).
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
variable ,adjusted for relativety to masses around it.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
Just my own theory here, but I think gravity is faster than the speed of light. If the sun were to blink out of existence, I don't believe that we would be held in orbit for the next few minutes until the speed of light caught up and all the planets just started following their un-gravity controlled trajectories. Imagine a rubber band breaking, but with an instantaneous effect.
I only imagine this theory because gravity is stronger than the speed of light; so; why couldn't it be faster? And since it can be faster, how can we properly measure it since we don't have the tech yet?
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I think also that gravity, if exists, is instantaneous force.

I think of gravity as an infinite tissue that bonds matter.
Everything is connected to everything at every dimension. If samething changes, this is propagated through the tissue at once, at infinite speed.

Think gravity fields as a WEB that entangles everything.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
Gravity is not a speed to be measured ..it is an assumed force. A force created by mass, composition and density.

It is a force so powerful at times it can bend spacetime, thus it cant be measured as a speed IMHO

A force that can even overpower the speed of light.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
The only available resources that I can think of we could use would be how the moon's gravity affects the ocean tides. If you could measure the start of the depression of the ocean at a point and then the moment light reflecting off the moon hits the same point, you might be able to get a close idea of the speed of gravity; if there is such a thing. I would think of gravity as a field that could be considered an object. The larger the field the stronger the gravity, it is not a moving object but a force that affects matter in an area around an object that expands and contracts depending on it's strength.
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Maybe, in the future, instruments can be created to measure the speed of influence of the Moon movements on ocean tides.

I think this would need very complex models, to decople relative speeds of rotation and traveling around the Sun from the real force of the gravity itself. Hard stuff.

By now, Newton theories suffice for most of Earth and Solar System mechanics.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
Gravity is not a speed to be measured ..it is an assumed force. A force created by mass, composition and density.

It is a force so powerful at times it can bend spacetime, thus it cant be measured as a speed IMHO

A force that can even overpower the speed of light.
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I didn't mean gravity as a force, but the speed at wich gravity propagates: gravitational waves, scientists say.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
According to Einstein, everythin CEASES to exist at the speed of light.

Matter is infinite, and time stop flowin. Everything freezes.

Example, at the door of a black hole.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
If a star explodes, the radiation waves (X, gamma, etc.) would reach Earth at the speed of light (assume a constant "c" vakue).

But what about gravity? Gravitational waves weren't included in Einstein body of work.

Just recently, some gravitational waves were sensed, but no speed has been measured yet.

Are the gravity effects instantaneous?
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It's relative.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
Just my own theory here, but I think gravity is faster than the speed of light. If the sun were to blink out of existence, I don't believe that we would be held in orbit for the next few minutes until the speed of light caught up and all the planets just started following their un-gravity controlled trajectories. Imagine a rubber band breaking, but with an instantaneous effect.
I only imagine this theory because gravity is stronger than the speed of light; so; why couldn't it be faster? And since it can be faster, how can we properly measure it since we don't have the tech yet?
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
If a star explodes, the radiation waves (X, gamma, etc.) would reach Earth at the speed of light (assume a constant "c" vakue).

But what about gravity? Gravitational waves weren't included in Einstein body of work.

Just recently, some gravitational waves were sensed, but no speed has been measured yet.

Are the gravity effects instantaneous?
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There is no gravity. It's all electromagnetism. All matter, in different states of magnetism ranging between coherent (a magnet) and diffuse. ( the molecules in your body all slightly pulling toward earth center)
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
Gravity is a hoax. It's been for years.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
If a star explodes, the radiation waves (X, gamma, etc.) would reach Earth at the speed of light (assume a constant "c" vakue).

But what about gravity? Gravitational waves weren't included in Einstein body of work.

Just recently, some gravitational waves were sensed, but no speed has been measured yet.

Are the gravity effects instantaneous?
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It's relative.
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Good one. I agree.

Then, we can't measure distances of 10000 years light and assume c=constant. What if our concept of TIME is applied in a wrong way and time CONTRACTS at big distances??

Maybe celestial bodies are closer and are younger than what we were told they were.

Fake science is astrophysics?
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
Gravity is not a speed to be measured ..it is an assumed force. A force created by mass, composition and density.

It is a force so powerful at times it can bend spacetime, thus it cant be measured as a speed IMHO

A force that can even overpower the speed of light.
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I didn't mean gravity as a force, but the speed at wich gravity propagates: gravitational waves, scientists say.
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An echo of an event...poorly understood yet unique
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
It's equivalent to the speed of light because gravity IS darkLight
299,792,458 meters per sec
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I don't believe that such a thing as darklight exists. Gravity is one of the four forces assumed to exists at macro and microspace.

And yet many scientist doubt there is such a force. Newton only found a way to describe movements in the solar system on an EUCLIDIAN space. This means, using x,y,z linear coordinates.

The Universe can't be explained unless it's assumed that lies on a non-Euclidian space (everything is non-linear).
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Scientists can't explain what forces make a common refrigerator magnet to work. Are you really going to let them convince you that they've got the Universe figured out?


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