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Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?

 
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dude, all your science is from google/book, did you ever ask yourself, why 1 proton and 1 electron not stick together like a magnet and an iron bb?

what force/machanism/magic to make the 2 opposite charges NOT stick together?

show us google answers, if you got any rational answers.
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qm is still the top seller in science

big bang science's ass i want to
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QM and electromagnetic theory are TOP notch and provides industrial and scientifical tools to develop new things every day.

Gravity theories are a waste of time, with a zillion theories disputing the WRONG relativity, wich is flawed everywhere, specially explaining galaxies movements and rare cosmic events. This theories are for the MACRO universe, and are useless for earthly matters, as opposite are to the MICRO universe wich uses QM and electromagnetism (this micro universe is our Earth and the Solar system).

Both theories are applied on spaces and times that are billions of time larger one with each other.

Nobody believes seriously in the BBT, and cosmologists are working on string theories to explain gravity, dark energy and dark matter. It's kind of trendy today, but there are new theories that will displace the current one.
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fart as you wish

qm is total bs

what is quantum state? what is energy level?

there is only 1 force between protons and electrons in any atoms, the electrostatic attraction force, f=Ke x q1q2/rr.

what is qm based on? what to calculate?

you sure can read a lot bs, take as gold.
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i am happy for you

you own a lot of gold my friend
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
put a strong magnet in each hand, same pole faces each other, keep hands at a fixed distance, feel the tension? yes.

now wave 1 hand, what do you feel on the other hand?

now put opposite pole faces each other, feel the attraction? yes.

now wave 1 hand, what do you feel on the other hand?

same result, the other hand senses the force and waves at same frequency.

that is the mechanism of em wave, light, photon, quanta, radiant energy, solar energy, aether.

instead of magnetic force, gravity between masses and the repulsion force between electrons on the line of sight surface atoms are the carriers of gravity wave and light wave.

there is nothing waves other than charged particles and excited atoms, the force/energy move at light speed/electrostatic force speed/gravity speed.

enjoy it, it's not from any books.
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dude, all your science is from google/book, did you ever ask yourself, why 1 proton and 1 electron not stick together like a magnet and an iron bb?

what force/machanism/magic to make the 2 opposite charges NOT stick together?

show us google answers, if you got any rational answers.
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Thanks for the "dude" thing. Made feel young! I should have told this to you, but I'm an old dude, past 60 years a couple of years before.

I entered to the University (College for you) in 1970. Yes, 47 years ago. I had a degree on Electrical Engineering and a couple of masters in the 80's, related to telecommunications.

I've worked in labs, teached Physics, Electronics and Telecomm disciplines at several Universities since then. So, I'm not a scientist but I have (I think) a solid and wide base of knowledge because I love to learn and understand. The effort of studying is the price to get information stuck in your head. The continuous work about information brings to you knowledgement. So, maybe I have an old and traditional formation in physics, chemistry and mathematics but I tried to get updated on a permanent basis on physics, because I love it.

I had a rather big personal library but, 10 years ago, I made a deep cleanup and I gave away MOST of my books, because they were obsoletes. I kept the ones that have foundational information on physics and math (and telecomm).

When I use Internet for me, I don't use Wiki. I use papers from the scientific community that are available at several universities around the world.

To post here, I use Wiki because it's simple to quote them as they use a simpler language.

Enough with my background.

Regarding gravity and cosmology, I started to refresh and update my knowledge as a hobby the last year. I currently work in the software field, directing a group of developers for corporate wide applications.

But I like science, and I have a deep memory. So, when I write something, it's based mostly on my memory, except specific data wich I don't care to memorize. Then, to bring numbers here, I use the Internet. Faster than looking it in a book or a handbook.

But, CONCEPTS are prevalent over DATA. And CONCEPTS is what knowledge distilles when you work around it. And I am full of concepts in several disciplices like, in this case, Astrophysics. Cosmology is (always have been) more a philosophical matter rather than a rational one.

If you google about Gravity Theories right now, you can find no less than a dozen of theories (Japan, China, Netherlands, USA, Canada, Italy, Switzerland, etc.). Every group of scientists (they work on a ring-sharing mode) wants to TOP Einstein's theories (RTR and GTR) because both are SEVERELY flawed.

But Einstein is to Relativity Theories what The Beatles are to pop music. He hit hard, hit first and sound great by 20 years. Everyone (except Tesla and Lorentz) were dazzled by this superstar.

As with the Beatles in modern music, is difficult for any scientist today to address to such a captive and worldwide audience as Einstein did.

And, because of the explosion of different fields, wich fragment knowledge and goes deeper and deeper, maybe NO ONE will be able to displace Einstein's theories in the next 50 years. Why? Because cosmological theories are very hard to probe and, as the different branches of analysis are more and more complex, will be very difficult for anyone to come with a GENERAL THEORY that puts everything togheter.

One of the major flaws in this quest is the LACK of a new framework of mathematics that may address singularities and non linear things. As of today, math lags behind empirical physics, so scientists don't have NEW MATH TOOLS to write new theories and prove them (theoritically at least).

So, every scientist today that works in this field has to manage theories and knowledge as CHAPTERS in one or more books, written in different languages and media (words, equations, graphics).

I hope I've been able to transmit to you my thoughts and doubts in a general way.

If you follow news about these topics, you'll notice that every year something new is thought or measured that contradicts all previous assesments and theories. And it goes on and on and on.

Why this happen? Because no one can prove anything from this point in the space.

If scientist could move to the center of our galaxy or move to Andromeda, I bet that all the theories and "physic laws" would be different. The same with universal constants!! What an arrogance, being here and assume than 2 million years light far away, the same knowledge fits over there.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
dude, all your science is from google/book, did you ever ask yourself, why 1 proton and 1 electron not stick together like a magnet and an iron bb?

what force/machanism/magic to make the 2 opposite charges NOT stick together?

show us google answers, if you got any rational answers.
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Thanks for the "dude" thing. Made feel young! I should have told this to you, but I'm an old dude, past 60 years a couple of years before.

I entered to the University (College for you) in 1970. Yes, 47 years ago. I had a degree on Electrical Engineering and a couple of masters in the 80's, related to telecommunications.

I've worked in labs, teached Physics, Electronics and Telecomm disciplines at several Universities since then. So, I'm not a scientist but I have (I think) a solid and wide base of knowledge because I love to learn and understand. The effort of studying is the price to get information stuck in your head. The continuous work about information brings to you knowledgement. So, maybe I have an old and traditional formation in physics, chemistry and mathematics but I tried to get updated on a permanent basis on physics, because I love it.

I had a rather big personal library but, 10 years ago, I made a deep cleanup and I gave away MOST of my books, because they were obsoletes. I kept the ones that have foundational information on physics and math (and telecomm).

When I use Internet for me, I don't use Wiki. I use papers from the scientific community that are available at several universities around the world.

To post here, I use Wiki because it's simple to quote them as they use a simpler language.

Enough with my background.

Regarding gravity and cosmology, I started to refresh and update my knowledge as a hobby the last year. I currently work in the software field, directing a group of developers for corporate wide applications.

But I like science, and I have a deep memory. So, when I write something, it's based mostly on my memory, except specific data wich I don't care to memorize. Then, to bring numbers here, I use the Internet. Faster than looking it in a book or a handbook.

But, CONCEPTS are prevalent over DATA. And CONCEPTS is what knowledge distilles when you work around it. And I am full of concepts in several disciplices like, in this case, Astrophysics. Cosmology is (always have been) more a philosophical matter rather than a rational one.

If you google about Gravity Theories right now, you can find no less than a dozen of theories (Japan, China, Netherlands, USA, Canada, Italy, Switzerland, etc.). Every group of scientists (they work on a ring-sharing mode) wants to TOP Einstein's theories (RTR and GTR) because both are SEVERELY flawed.

But Einstein is to Relativity Theories what The Beatles are to pop music. He hit hard, hit first and sound great by 20 years. Everyone (except Tesla and Lorentz) were dazzled by this superstar.

As with the Beatles in modern music, is difficult for any scientist today to address to such a captive and worldwide audience as Einstein did.

And, because of the explosion of different fields, wich fragment knowledge and goes deeper and deeper, maybe NO ONE will be able to displace Einstein's theories in the next 50 years. Why? Because cosmological theories are very hard to probe and, as the different branches of analysis are more and more complex, will be very difficult for anyone to come with a GENERAL THEORY that puts everything togheter.

One of the major flaws in this quest is the LACK of a new framework of mathematics that may address singularities and non linear things. As of today, math lags behind empirical physics, so scientists don't have NEW MATH TOOLS to write new theories and prove them (theoritically at least).

So, every scientist today that works in this field has to manage theories and knowledge as CHAPTERS in one or more books, written in different languages and media (words, equations, graphics).

I hope I've been able to transmit to you my thoughts and doubts in a general way.

If you follow news about these topics, you'll notice that every year something new is thought or measured that contradicts all previous assesments and theories. And it goes on and on and on.

Why this happen? Because no one can prove anything from this point in the space.

If scientist could move to the center of our galaxy or move to Andromeda, I bet that all the theories and "physic laws" would be different. The same with universal constants!! What an arrogance, being here and assume than 2 million years light far away, the same knowledge fits over there.
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No, Einstein was not like the Beatles. He was more like the Monkees, a made-for-TV fake.

Of course, Einstein was wrong, and QM is wrong, but you have the same problem.

The big problem is particles. There are no such things.

Do you believe in "protons" and "electrons" as particles with charge, ? That is almost as bad in believing in "quarks", "Higgs boson", etc.

What do you think a "field" is?
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
Here's a good MYSTERY - how far will a Misty go for the sake of her "misterious" affair?

They are all so much more naive than they think I am.



The BEST question would be: Does Misty know Crystal? Does Crystal know Misty? Do ANY of them know about the Catfish files?


Buh duhm ching.
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50 years ago i put a rock on each hand, overlap my hands try to figure out gravity.

60 years ago, been asked what i want to be when growing up, i want to be a scientist.

major in physics, my professor told the class that he helped his professor faked data to get a nobel.

dropped out for pussy and never get back school.

the first doubt in science is atomic structure theories.

electron shells? 1s2d3p my ass. quantum state? nuton state?

read a lot, google a lot, banned by every science forum.

glp is the only place i can talk freely. too bad tri no like science.
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No, Einstein was not like the Beatles. He was more like the Monkees, a made-for-TV fake.

Of course, Einstein was wrong, and QM is wrong, but you have the same problem.

The big problem is particles. There are no such things.

Do you believe in "protons" and "electrons" as particles with charge, ? That is almost as bad in believing in "quarks", "Higgs boson", etc.

What do you think a "field" is?
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1. I believe in the representation of protons and electrons as particles. I measured them at physics labs several times, with cheap instruments. Electrons and ions (protons, neutrons + electrons) are the basis of current solid state electronics, and I studied quantum physics and measured the results wich were and ARE the basis of EVERYTHING that exists in microelectronics. Even "strange" things like tunnel effect.

The results fit the currently available math tools for prediction, so I have not reasons to negate them. They are a good representation of reality.
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field is a word science used to describe force.

without force, there is no field.

without charged particles, where is force?

what carries field? what field?
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No, Einstein was not like the Beatles. He was more like the Monkees, a made-for-TV fake.

Of course, Einstein was wrong, and QM is wrong, but you have the same problem.

The big problem is particles. There are no such things.

Do you believe in "protons" and "electrons" as particles with charge, ? That is almost as bad in believing in "quarks", "Higgs boson", etc.

What do you think a "field" is?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75077684


1. I believe in the representation of protons and electrons as particles. I measured them at physics labs several times, with cheap instruments. Electrons and ions (protons, neutrons + electrons) are the basis of current solid state electronics, and I studied quantum physics and measured the results wich were and ARE the basis of EVERYTHING that exists in microelectronics. Even "strange" things like tunnel effect.

The results fit the currently available math tools for prediction, so I have not reasons to negate them. They are a good representation of reality.
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2. I never worked in a lab with equipment worth tens of millions to study elementary particles. This is for physicists. I don't have a thought about bossons, quarks, charms and other E.P. because is very far out of my reach, and I had very interesting things to be involved, other than these.

3. I don't think about a field is. I WORKED with them and, again, fields are the basis of radiocommunications. I measured electrostatic fields, magnetic fields, electromagentic fields. Damm!! Even I physically constructed, on a table, a REAL view of a magnetic field using small metallic particles (less than 0.5 mm diameter) and it FITTED with theory.

I've measured electromagnetic fields around transmiting and receiving antennae (key for my 30 years old professional work).

I even understand the new trends about thinking of "stacks of 2D atomic entangled web fields" that unites every atom on a 2D one-atom thick layer. The result is a 3D complicated network that unites every atom, and through wich gravity and light is explained. Google about this Dutch researcher and his proposal for a new relativity theory.

Yet, I don't know what a photon is nor what Gravity is as ALL the people related to these things. No one knows squat!
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I don't know but I do know that never has any device measured the exact same speed of light twice, and therefore, the theory of relativity falls to pieces. Relativity needs to be looked at carefully.

From 1908 to 1975, speed of light has increased slightly. In 1972 they International Geophysical Union DEFINED the speed of light, rather than measuring it because....... Just because. It's easier and keeps the THEORY of relativity in belief.
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WORSE YET!!

For almost a century, since DeForest invented the triod (an amplifier of current based on the flow of electrons in circuits) every circuit had capacitors (Faraday), inductors (Gauss), resistors (Ohm) and transistors or tubes (DeForest, Shockley).

You had simple and complex circuit boards stacked to make more complex things, and everything was based on the flow of electrons (voltage, current, noise).

In a very short period of time, since 1990 or so, more and more parts of circuit were embedded in silicon first and in a MEMORY after that.

With the widespread of DSP (Digital Signal Processors), all of the previously used components were replaced more and more by LINES OF SOFTWARE. The key was the conversion of analog to digital signals and the opposite.

As of today, DSP and ADC/DAC works at Gigaherts speeds, and are replaced almost ALL analog circuitry based on electrons flows with BITS!!

So, using the math theory of radio design, today you have SDR (Software Designed Radios) like your smartphone.

The conversion from analog to digital and the opposite are now performed at the very edge of an antenna. Transistors are used only to amplify received signals to a level at wich they can be digitalized with an ADC. After that, everything is a matter of software based DSP.

The same with the transmiting side, except for the final part where you use a power transistor to transmit signals (as in your smartphone).

And the ELECTRONS?? Where are they? Were transformed to BITS? So a BIT is a PARTICLE??

NO. It's all about models and theories. You use what you have at hand at a given time. Now, we almost DON'T NEED electrons for radiotransmission, except at the front end.

As you can see, there are no universal laws. There are MODELS (theories) that we use to understand things, measure them and construct things.

So, if electrons were important in electronic circuits, flowin several meters in complex equipment, now they have been replaced by line of codes that use THE SAME THEORY but in a virtual way.

It has to shock some of you, don't you think?

We've replaced an elementary particle by BITS!!
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I don't know but I do know that never has any device measured the exact same speed of light twice, and therefore, the theory of relativity falls to pieces. Relativity needs to be looked at carefully.

From 1908 to 1975, speed of light has increased slightly. In 1972 they International Geophysical Union DEFINED the speed of light, rather than measuring it because....... Just because. It's easier and keeps the THEORY of relativity in belief.
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You are absolutely correct!

Even more, those fluctuations on the speed of light are being used currently at the Netherlands to create a model (with cosmic light) that pretend to challenge Einstein theories (and his followers), presenting an Universe wich vibrates and is finite. It's believed that these vibrations in the space-time matrix is closely related to gravity.
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No, Einstein was not like the Beatles. He was more like the Monkees, a made-for-TV fake.

Of course, Einstein was wrong, and QM is wrong, but you have the same problem.

The big problem is particles. There are no such things.

Do you believe in "protons" and "electrons" as particles with charge, ? That is almost as bad in believing in "quarks", "Higgs boson", etc.

What do you think a "field" is?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75077684


1. I believe in the representation of protons and electrons as particles. I measured them at physics labs several times, with cheap instruments. Electrons and ions (protons, neutrons + electrons) are the basis of current solid state electronics, and I studied quantum physics and measured the results wich were and ARE the basis of EVERYTHING that exists in microelectronics. Even "strange" things like tunnel effect.

The results fit the currently available math tools for prediction, so I have not reasons to negate them. They are a good representation of reality.
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So you believe that electrons are not just a model but actually are an accurate description of the physical mechanism for charge transfer?

So you believe that in the "Cathode Ray Tube" (which dates back to the late 1800's) there are actual particles being emitted from one end and striking a screen on the other end.

So you believe in a simple battery-wire-lamp circuit, particles are being pushed around through the wires, bulb filament, battery plates, etc.

Question:
Do you believe that in the case of radio, electrons are being emitted from the transmitter antenna and electrons are being absorbed by the receiving antenna?
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So, if electrons were important in electronic circuits, flowin several meters in complex equipment, now they have been replaced by line of codes that use THE SAME THEORY but in a virtual way.

It has to shock some of you, don't you think?

We've replaced an elementary particle by BITS!!

no electrons flow in circuits? codes and bits flow in circuits?

how? what is bit? how it moves?
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No, Einstein was not like the Beatles. He was more like the Monkees, a made-for-TV fake.

Of course, Einstein was wrong, and QM is wrong, but you have the same problem.

The big problem is particles. There are no such things.

Do you believe in "protons" and "electrons" as particles with charge, ? That is almost as bad in believing in "quarks", "Higgs boson", etc.

What do you think a "field" is?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75077684


1. I believe in the representation of protons and electrons as particles. I measured them at physics labs several times, with cheap instruments. Electrons and ions (protons, neutrons + electrons) are the basis of current solid state electronics, and I studied quantum physics and measured the results wich were and ARE the basis of EVERYTHING that exists in microelectronics. Even "strange" things like tunnel effect.

The results fit the currently available math tools for prediction, so I have not reasons to negate them. They are a good representation of reality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75084354


So you believe that electrons are not just a model but actually are an accurate description of the physical mechanism for charge transfer?

So you believe that in the "Cathode Ray Tube" (which dates back to the late 1800's) there are actual particles being emitted from one end and striking a screen on the other end.

So you believe in a simple battery-wire-lamp circuit, particles are being pushed around through the wires, bulb filament, battery plates, etc.

Question:
Do you believe that in the case of radio, electrons are being emitted from the transmitter antenna and electrons are being absorbed by the receiving antenna?
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About your question: NO! And there enters Maxwell, Hertz, Marconi, Heaviside and some many in a very short period of time (1865 - 1915) that it's incredible. They shaped the current world.

Electrons flows in the front end of transmittin and receiving sides of radios up to the antenna.

There, a conversion (based on Maxwell) takes place. The electrical oscillations at antennas are converted to electromagentic waves (E,B fields) with no charge and then propagates through space. It's a conversion from electrical flows to electromagnetical waves.

The opposite occurs at the receiver. An electromagnetical wave is picked up by an antenna and is converted to electrical currents. The magnetic field is dismissed at both ends, as it carry the same information as the electrical component of the wave but a magnetic antenna, at high frequencies, is by far less effective.

An electromagnetical wave has no electrical charges neither has mass at zero speed. It's mass is derived, for physicists, from E=mc2. For engineers, the mass of the wave has no value, only its energy.
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So, if electrons were important in electronic circuits, flowin several meters in complex equipment, now they have been replaced by line of codes that use THE SAME THEORY but in a virtual way.

It has to shock some of you, don't you think?

We've replaced an elementary particle by BITS!!

no electrons flow in circuits? codes and bits flow in circuits?

how? what is bit? how it moves?
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BITS of data. Electric signals are sampled at Gigahertz speed, using 8-12-14 bits per sample (it depends). Then, each digital word (the sample) is stored in a RAM memory and processed with a program. An DSP is used (Digital Signal Processor) wich is a RISC type CPU with equal lenght instructions.
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No, Einstein was not like the Beatles. He was more like the Monkees, a made-for-TV fake.

Of course, Einstein was wrong, and QM is wrong, but you have the same problem.

The big problem is particles. There are no such things.

Do you believe in "protons" and "electrons" as particles with charge, ? That is almost as bad in believing in "quarks", "Higgs boson", etc.

What do you think a "field" is?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75077684


1. I believe in the representation of protons and electrons as particles. I measured them at physics labs several times, with cheap instruments. Electrons and ions (protons, neutrons + electrons) are the basis of current solid state electronics, and I studied quantum physics and measured the results wich were and ARE the basis of EVERYTHING that exists in microelectronics. Even "strange" things like tunnel effect.

The results fit the currently available math tools for prediction, so I have not reasons to negate them. They are a good representation of reality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75084354


So you believe that electrons are not just a model but actually are an accurate description of the physical mechanism for charge transfer?

So you believe that in the "Cathode Ray Tube" (which dates back to the late 1800's) there are actual particles being emitted from one end and striking a screen on the other end.

So you believe in a simple battery-wire-lamp circuit, particles are being pushed around through the wires, bulb filament, battery plates, etc.

Question:
Do you believe that in the case of radio, electrons are being emitted from the transmitter antenna and electrons are being absorbed by the receiving antenna?
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About your question: NO! And there enters Maxwell, Hertz, Marconi, Heaviside and some many in a very short period of time (1865 - 1915) that it's incredible. They shaped the current world.

Electrons flows in the front end of transmittin and receiving sides of radios up to the antenna.

There, a conversion (based on Maxwell) takes place. The electrical oscillations at antennas are converted to electromagentic waves (E,B fields) with no charge and then propagates through space. It's a conversion from electrical flows to electromagnetical waves.

The opposite occurs at the receiver. An electromagnetical wave is picked up by an antenna and is converted to electrical currents. The magnetic field is dismissed at both ends, as it carry the same information as the electrical component of the wave but a magnetic antenna, at high frequencies, is by far less effective.

An electromagnetical wave has no electrical charges neither has mass at zero speed. It's mass is derived, for physicists, from E=mc2. For engineers, the mass of the wave has no value, only its energy.
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Of course you answered "no". It is obvious that no particles are exchanged between the radios.

But in the simple circuit, you believe that particles are pushed through the wires. Now, if you were to lay out the wires neatly, you would see that they moved slightly when the circuit was energized, and you would say that was due to a field created because of the moving particles.

(When describing the field, you might even move the fingers of your hand at right angles to each other, etc.)

So you see the evidence that there is a field present between the wires, but you are sure that the field is created by particles.

"Maxwell ... Heaviside .... They shaped the current world." And they didn't believe in electron particles either.
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So, if electrons were important in electronic circuits, flowin several meters in complex equipment, now they have been replaced by line of codes that use THE SAME THEORY but in a virtual way.

It has to shock some of you, don't you think?

We've replaced an elementary particle by BITS!!

no electrons flow in circuits? codes and bits flow in circuits?

how? what is bit? how it moves?
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BITS of data. Electric signals are sampled at Gigahertz speed, using 8-12-14 bits per sample (it depends). Then, each digital word (the sample) is stored in a RAM memory and processed with a program. An DSP is used (Digital Signal Processor) wich is a RISC type CPU with equal lenght instructions.
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The DSP is just a microprocessor optimized for math.

You can do the necessary calculations (FIR filters, etc) on any computer (but it may be too slow, too expensive, etc), or, in the case of a FIR filter with just a few taps, by hand just to see how it works.
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So, if electrons were important in electronic circuits, flowin several meters in complex equipment, now they have been replaced by line of codes that use THE SAME THEORY but in a virtual way.

It has to shock some of you, don't you think?

We've replaced an elementary particle by BITS!!

no electrons flow in circuits? codes and bits flow in circuits?

how? what is bit? how it moves?
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BITS of data. Electric signals are sampled at Gigahertz speed, using 8-12-14 bits per sample (it depends). Then, each digital word (the sample) is stored in a RAM memory and processed with a program. An DSP is used (Digital Signal Processor) wich is a RISC type CPU with equal lenght instructions.
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if electrons do not move in wires, how electric signals move?

is gigahertz a speed of the signals or vibrating frequency?
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is your connection down?
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
the only honest scientist that i know of tried, but failed.

All these fifty years of conscious brooding have brought me no nearer to the answer to the question, 'What are light quanta?' Nowadays every Tom, D i c k and Harry thinks he knows it, but he is mistaken. -Albert Einstein

he won a nobel for his quanta theory/photoelectric effect, his quote was a big wake-up call for the science swamp.

too bad, the swamp is rotten.
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"he won a nobel for his quanta theory/photoelectric effect"

That's the problem right there:

1) The fact that you can "win a prize" exposes mainstream "science" to be a circus.

2) The photoelectric effect is real, but Einstein's explanation is nonsense, and the belief in that nonsense "quantum theory" virtually killed true science.
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best post so far
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for those believe our sun is a nuclear reactor, ask yourself few questions.

why does all the nuclear fuel not ignite at once?

how nuclear reaction produces heat/energy?

how the energy reaches earth?

if the sun has shot out energy for 5 billion years, where is all that energy?

what is energy?
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for those believe our sun is a nuclear reactor, ask yourself few questions.

why does all the nuclear fuel not ignite at once?

how nuclear reaction produces heat/energy?

how the energy reaches earth?

if the sun has shot out energy for 5 billion years, where is all that energy?

what is energy?
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Your questions are valid and good, but I had to sleep last night.

Hi, I've told you some of my background.
I'm curious about you. Can you brief me what did you study (or are studying), line of work and age? Thanks.
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So, if electrons were important in electronic circuits, flowin several meters in complex equipment, now they have been replaced by line of codes that use THE SAME THEORY but in a virtual way.

It has to shock some of you, don't you think?

We've replaced an elementary particle by BITS!!

no electrons flow in circuits? codes and bits flow in circuits?

how? what is bit? how it moves?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59686777


BITS of data. Electric signals are sampled at Gigahertz speed, using 8-12-14 bits per sample (it depends). Then, each digital word (the sample) is stored in a RAM memory and processed with a program. An DSP is used (Digital Signal Processor) wich is a RISC type CPU with equal lenght instructions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75084354


The DSP is just a microprocessor optimized for math.

You can do the necessary calculations (FIR filters, etc) on any computer (but it may be too slow, too expensive, etc), or, in the case of a FIR filter with just a few taps, by hand just to see how it works.
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Actually it is not correct. Texas Instrument developed first a DSP on a single chip by 1982 (TMS 320 family), wich allowed to perform fixed point 16bits instructions at 10 MIPS (millions of instructions per second). Today there are several manufacturers and DSP uses floating point 32 bits instructions, developing peak 2000 MegaFlops.

DSP are RISC based chips, wich uses a single word per instruction, opposite to CISC CPUs like Intel and AMD CPU used for PCs.

This regularity allows to control the SYNCHRONOUS FLOW of instructions, when dealing with real time analog signals.

Discrete FIR filters are old. Today, everything is done in the DSP of the device. Any smartphone, for instance, has a DSP core for processing 3G/4G radio signals, plus a general purpose ARM or Intel core, wich run the OS (Apple, Android, Windows Mobile, etc.)
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qm is still the top seller in science

big bang science's ass i want to
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QM and electromagnetic theory are TOP notch and provides industrial and scientifical tools to develop new things every day.

Gravity theories are a waste of time, with a zillion theories disputing the WRONG relativity, wich is flawed everywhere, specially explaining galaxies movements and rare cosmic events. This theories are for the MACRO universe, and are useless for earthly matters, as opposite are to the MICRO universe wich uses QM and electromagnetism (this micro universe is our Earth and the Solar system).

Both theories are applied on spaces and times that are billions of time larger one with each other.

Nobody believes seriously in the BBT, and cosmologists are working on string theories to explain gravity, dark energy and dark matter. It's kind of trendy today, but there are new theories that will displace the current one.
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fart as you wish

qm is total bs

what is quantum state? what is energy level?

there is only 1 force between protons and electrons in any atoms, the electrostatic attraction force, f=Ke x q1q2/rr.

what is qm based on? what to calculate?

you sure can read a lot bs, take as gold.
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Right, QM is BS. But that computer you are using to spread your lies was designed with taking QM into account. The transistor is a quantum mechanical device. So are lasers, diodes, MRI, LEDs, CCDs, the atomic force microscope, superfluids and superconductors, carbon nanotubes, and a host of other devices.

So go ahead and whine about how hard and difficult it is to understand. But lucky for you the rest of the world does not share such an infantile view of how physics can and does work.
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"Maxwell ... Heaviside .... They shaped the current world." And they didn't believe in electron particles either.
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In a sense that is true but quite disingenuous since the electron was discovered 20 years after Maxwell died.

However, Maxwell is responsible for the kinetic theory of gases which assumes gases are composed of small spherical particles, molecules. So had no problems with accepting a particle nature of matter.

Maxwell also discusses the proposed particle nature of current in his paper on electromagnetism but explains he chose a field description because he wanted to describe the space between bodies, which is what fields do.
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for those believe our sun is a nuclear reactor, ask yourself few questions.

why does all the nuclear fuel not ignite at once?

how nuclear reaction produces heat/energy?

how the energy reaches earth?

if the sun has shot out energy for 5 billion years, where is all that energy?

what is energy?
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
for those believe our sun is a nuclear reactor, ask yourself few questions.

why does all the nuclear fuel not ignite at once?

how nuclear reaction produces heat/energy?

how the energy reaches earth?

if the sun has shot out energy for 5 billion years, where is all that energy?

what is energy?
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This account has been hacked.

I didn´t post, under 73775109, the BS flag.

I don´t use these things. How come did this happened? Weird!


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