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Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?

 
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
I can't even fathom what a gravitational wave truly is . Does it move faster than light ?
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The speed of gravity equals the speed of light.

Example: if the sun were to magically vanish it would take 8.3 minutes for the Earth to see it blink-out; at the same time we would experience the gravitational effect of losing said star (which of course is our 'sun').
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we do not circle around the visible star we rotate around the star in space, because the star is moving thru space all of the solar system would fall apart if we were pulled to the visible.

gravity is faster than light by enormous amounts, probably not instant across all of space.

i mean Einstein grav is so fail.
if gravity is equal to or less than speed of light
how can a black hole swallow light?

it would have to be stronger and faster.

broken. black holes can't exist within the current model. science is broken and we all know that.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
Gravitational Constant (of our universe) =

Volume of one pixel / maximum angular momentum of one pixel

It's a byproduct of The Sim's maximum resolution.

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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
When it gets un-understandable to the most brilliant physicists on the planet, they like to say "the laws of physics break down". Most of you have heard that before? I would like to remind you all that the LAWS of true physics are never violated. The only thing violated is the ego of the brilliant minds of people who think they have it all figured out. When anything in the universe happens, it obeys the laws of physics. They could be super duper rip your pooper complex physics that cannot be understood by humankind yet, but since it did happen means that the laws of physics did not break down. They are just not understood yet.
Same with gravity, wherein we can measure light (which does have mass) and can other measurements accordingly.
Gravity is the elephant in the room.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
Gravity like magnetism is instantaneous

Across infinite distance and is the bridge

Between light speed n relativity!!!
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Magnetism is a particle with gyroscopic property.
Magnetism can be explained with mechanics by this one guy.

Just go and study Joseph Newman.

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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
2 miles per hour. I used my phased thermo plasma grav jet di-torqueium diode to measure it.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
I can't even fathom what a gravitational wave truly is . Does it move faster than light ?
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The speed of gravity equals the speed of light.

Example: if the sun were to magically vanish it would take 8.3 minutes for the Earth to see it blink-out; at the same time we would experience the gravitational effect of losing said star (which of course is our 'sun').
 Quoting: The Figural


we do not circle around the visible star we rotate around the star in space, because the star is moving thru space all of the solar system would fall apart if we were pulled to the visible.

gravity is faster than light by enormous amounts, probably not instant across all of space.

i mean Einstein grav is so fail.
if gravity is equal to or less than speed of light
how can a black hole swallow light?

it would have to be stronger and faster.

broken. black holes can't exist within the current model. science is broken and we all know that.
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Science will always be broken according to your standards.

There will never be a "perfect" theory. The best science can do is to find theories which are capable of predicting our experiences locally better than other theories can.

There is nothing you can do to prove a theory right as we cannot even know if spacetime out there is how we imagine it to be according to various theories. All we know about the world out there is by our imagination based on the here and now we experience.


Einstein being a genius improved on the old theories and offered a theory which predicts the here and now much more accurate than others, but ever since, we did not have any scientists on the level of Einstein to improve his theories, but more or less parrots repeating his works.


The reason why light has a fixed velocity and why we have to think of different reference frames in relativity is because scientists haven't figured out yet that the metric is a 5th wheel on the wagon.
It is not required and has to be occam razored out.

There will soon be a metricless theory of relativity with only one spacetime object, acceleration equating to rotating within that metricless object and moving in a different direction _relative_ to the object, at the SAME "velocity" as every other observer(experiencing entity).

Topology is what will get us there. Distance, velocity, direction etc, will have to be redefined within this metricless spacetime object.
Some new math will have to be discovered.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
They think that in order for something to have a form, it requires a metric. But they are wrong.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
There is no gravity, there is no space, there is no time.

Pushing gravity into measurability of spacetime, is to leave it succumbed to man's senses i.e. many different outcomes are possible, dependant of the observer.
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They imagine that there is a distance, "empty space" between two points but there isn't. A distance that can be measured giving rise to a metric.

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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
Gravity is a form of matter.
It has a frequency, not a speed.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
What if gravity itself is what makes "speed" exist in the first place?
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If a star explodes, the radiation waves (X, gamma, etc.) would reach Earth at the speed of light (assume a constant "c" vakue).

But what about gravity? Gravitational waves weren't included in Einstein body of work.

Just recently, some gravitational waves were sensed, but no speed has been measured yet.

Are the gravity effects instantaneous?
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You see there are no Gravitational waves,just waves gravity has no speed Einstein is a fixed point that moves nowhere but is everywhere now you get it tell Einstein he was way off on gravity.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
We just don't know for sure. Our understanding of the universe might be very flawed. It's a certainty that our understanding is incomplete.

Read this, if you want to read an interesting article that demonstrates a problem with gravity just moving at the speed of light:

[link to mic.com (secure)]
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
The Earth is flat.
Gravity is a lie.
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Since the Earth is essentially an eggshell, all theories based on a solid ball are wrong. We would weigh much more on a solid ball. We live on the surface of a shell hundreds of miles thick. Once you wrap your mind around that, everything else begins to make sense.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
there's is no gravity, because kate perry performed roar.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
We just don't know for sure. Our understanding of the universe might be very flawed. It's a certainty that our understanding is incomplete.

Read this, if you want to read an interesting article that demonstrates a problem with gravity just moving at the speed of light:

[link to mic.com (secure)]
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Very simple to understand and favours Newton's conception of instantaneous effect of gravity.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
Gravity bends light!!
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BS

light has no mass

gravity only works on matter
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Gravity might have a minute pull on photons, didn't the Steinster do an experiment revealing light bends a tiny bit by the moon's gravity?
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Light doesn't bend space does.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
I would guess that gravition follows the mass like the atmosphere follows the earth.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
always thought it was 9.80 m/sec2
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that's acceleration due to gravity. op is talking about how fast the effects of gravity propagate
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On earth so there needs to be a constant with variables according to the overtaking mass object.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
if you don't understand gravity, don't bluff in glp.

bluffing is low.
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always thought it was 9.80 m/sec2
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OP, majority of respondents don't even understand your question. But then again, on GLP, everyone gets a voice.

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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
The speed of gravity is

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Nah, gravity doesn't move. It just is. Stretch a thin rubber sheet across a pool table. Lay a cue ball in the middle, the rubber sags a bit equally around the ball. If you rolled a marble at an angle past the cue ball, it would start to curve and spiral into the cue ball.
This is a 2 dimensional representation of how mass affects the space around it. Once the mass is there, the gravity is there.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
science told you that there are four different kinds of forces. it is wrong.

all forces are based on electrostatic force. all matters are formed from charged particles.

light speed, electrostatic force speed, and gravity speed are the same. WHY?

light strength, electrostatic force strength, and gravity strength are decay at same 1/rr. WHY?

because light is vibrating electrostatic force produced by vibrating atoms.

gravity is induced electrostatic attraction force between neutrally charged matters.

the truth is simple, right in front of your eyes.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
science told you that there are four different kinds of forces. it is wrong.

all forces are based on electrostatic force. all matters are formed from charged particles.

light speed, electrostatic force speed, and gravity speed are the same. WHY?

light strength, electrostatic force strength, and gravity strength are decay at same 1/rr. WHY?

because light is vibrating electrostatic force produced by vibrating atoms.

gravity is induced electrostatic attraction force between neutrally charged matters.

the truth is simple, right in front of your eyes.
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einstein and newton will MAD
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
science told you that there are four different kinds of forces. it is wrong.

all forces are based on electrostatic force. all matters are formed from charged particles.

light speed, electrostatic force speed, and gravity speed are the same. WHY?

light strength, electrostatic force strength, and gravity strength are decay at same 1/rr. WHY?

because light is vibrating electrostatic force produced by vibrating atoms.

gravity is induced electrostatic attraction force between neutrally charged matters.

the truth is simple, right in front of your eyes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59686777


Do you know that the Moon is electrostatic charged with both polarities? It has been measured since 1970 by three countries.

The side that faces the Sun is positively charged, because it receives all the time a shower of positive ions (Hydrogen and helium without an electron each).

The dark side of the Moon is negatively charged with a cloud of free electrons captured by the Moon mass, that comes as radiation from the Sun (missing electrons of the ions). Both fields are supposed to be equals and to displace around the surface as the Moon exposes to the Sun.

Maybe this thing of gravity and electrostatic charges (like within a vacuum filled capacitor) has something undiscovered yet.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
If a star explodes, the radiation waves (X, gamma, etc.) would reach Earth at the speed of light (assume a constant "c" vakue).

But what about gravity? Gravitational waves weren't included in Einstein body of work.

Just recently, some gravitational waves were sensed, but no speed has been measured yet.

Are the gravity effects instantaneous?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75026031


There are no gravitational waves, despite popular claims.

Gravity is an example of instantaneous action at a distance, and is a property of the Aether. The Aether is one; it is all; it is everywhere.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
If a star explodes, the radiation waves (X, gamma, etc.) would reach Earth at the speed of light (assume a constant "c" vakue).

But what about gravity? Gravitational waves weren't included in Einstein body of work.

Just recently, some gravitational waves were sensed, but no speed has been measured yet.

Are the gravity effects instantaneous?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75026031


There are no gravitational waves, despite popular claims.

Gravity is an example of instantaneous action at a distance, and is a property of the Aether. The Aether is one; it is all; it is everywhere.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54094184


So, then Einstein was wrong (as Lorentz) and gravity is faster than a wave of light or electromagnetic wave (same thing, different colours).

The only difference between Einstein and Lorentz restricted relativity theory is that Lorentz assumed the existance of the aether filling the space. On his own words: Eistein did it easier to understand.

Both failed because of Lorentz equations, wich Einstein reused.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
wave denotes propagation
propagation denotes time
time denotes speed.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
science told you that there are four different kinds of forces. it is wrong.

all forces are based on electrostatic force. all matters are formed from charged particles.

light speed, electrostatic force speed, and gravity speed are the same. WHY?

light strength, electrostatic force strength, and gravity strength are decay at same 1/rr. WHY?

because light is vibrating electrostatic force produced by vibrating atoms.

gravity is induced electrostatic attraction force between neutrally charged matters.

the truth is simple, right in front of your eyes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59686777


No, light speed is very slow. It is a rate of induction, not a fundamental property.

Gravity, magnetic, and electrostatic effects are all related. Being a property of the Aether, which is one and which is all, the propagation is instantaneous.


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