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Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?

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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
1 electron carries 1 negative charge

if we smash the electron into 1000000 equal pieces, each piece will carry 1/1000000 negative charge. Let's call it enertron.

since enertrons carry the same negative charge, they repel each other.

if we have a perfect bottle, which means no leakage, no react, like glass bottle to air.

we put 1000000 enertrons into the perfect bottle, since enertrons repel each other, they put a pressure on the bottle wall. let's measure and call that pressure 1 vote.

if we put 2000000 enertrons into the same bottle, the pressure on the wall should be 2 vote.

now if 1 enertron is moving or vibrating, the rest all enertrons will share the force according to their distance.

that is the mechanism of light/quantum.
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So, basically: 1=1.

Thanks for that.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
every atom in your body is very very old

no atoms will die ever ever

why is the sun will die? cus science told you so?

are u still a sheep?

the sun will never cool off a bit, the sun does not shoot out energy/photon into space around it.

the sun shares its radiant energy with matters around it.

hot atoms on the sun share their vibrating force with matters on earth, f=G x m1m2/rr and f=Ke x e1e2/rr are the carriers of sun's energy.

sun light/solar energy is not keeping shooting at earth,
but moving around the earth as earth spins.

the same energy circling around, never lose a bit into space.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
1 electron carries 1 negative charge

if we smash the electron into 1000000 equal pieces, each piece will carry 1/1000000 negative charge. Let's call it enertron.

since enertrons carry the same negative charge, they repel each other.

if we have a perfect bottle, which means no leakage, no react, like glass bottle to air.

we put 1000000 enertrons into the perfect bottle, since enertrons repel each other, they put a pressure on the bottle wall. let's measure and call that pressure 1 vote.

if we put 2000000 enertrons into the same bottle, the pressure on the wall should be 2 vote.

now if 1 enertron is moving or vibrating, the rest all enertrons will share the force according to their distance.

that is the mechanism of light/quantum.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59686777

So, basically: 1=1.

Thanks for that.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
1 electron carries 1 negative charge

if we smash the electron into 1000000 equal pieces, each piece will carry 1/1000000 negative charge. Let's call it enertron.

since enertrons carry the same negative charge, they repel each other.

if we have a perfect bottle, which means no leakage, no react, like glass bottle to air.

we put 1000000 enertrons into the perfect bottle, since enertrons repel each other, they put a pressure on the bottle wall. let's measure and call that pressure 1 vote.

if we put 2000000 enertrons into the same bottle, the pressure on the wall should be 2 vote.

now if 1 enertron is moving or vibrating, the rest all enertrons will share the force according to their distance.

that is the mechanism of light/quantum.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59686777

So, basically: 1=1.

Thanks for that.
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Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59686777

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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
every atom in your body is very very old

no atoms will die ever ever

why is the sun will die? cus science told you so?

are u still a sheep?

the sun will never cool off a bit, the sun does not shoot out energy/photon into space around it.

the sun shares its radiant energy with matters around it.

hot atoms on the sun share their vibrating force with matters on earth, f=G x m1m2/rr and f=Ke x e1e2/rr are the carriers of sun's energy.

sun light/solar energy is not keeping shooting at earth,
but moving around the earth as earth spins.

the same energy circling around, never lose a bit into space.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59686777

energy can only exist within matter/charged particles

force can only exist within charged particles/matter

keys to understanding the universe
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
by now, you should understand there is no such thing as zero point energy, vacuum energy, free energy.

there is no dark matter, dark energy, no black holes.

gravity is not a mystery, nothing can distort space or time.

understand science mistakes/lies, see the reality in a new vision.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
Have to watch this video, when gravitational waves "were measured" three years ago. It's funny!

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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
my guess is that "speed of gravity" is a construct humans use to describe something they are unable to understand, similar is a construct we use "time" to describe the decay of matter

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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
because gravity appears to be instantaneous
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06/12/2017 05:36 PM
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
gravity does no propagate

gravity is the result that large mass has on space, and the effect is felt instantly because the space itself is altered
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06/12/2017 05:38 PM
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
also large mass probably affects space in other dimentions, so that would explain why we see gravity in our universe but cannot find 90% of the mass that the gravity should "originate" from, because the gravity is the sum of all mass effects from other parallel universes, as well
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
because gravity appears to be instantaneous
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
einstein's theory is bullshit...

if you were to have a tug-of-war with a man on the moon, and he suddenly yanked on the rope really hard so that he gained inches of rope in a split second, you would feel it INSTANTLY --- the slack he picked up comes from you
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
that's like placing a bowling ball on a bed, then putting a marble on the bed and watching it roll towards the impression the bowling ball makes

you wouldn't ask how long it takes for the bowling ball to send waves of attraction out to the marble

space itself is the bed, and it is altered by large mass, there is no propagation time, it is already a done deal and the effect is the gravity

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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
Gravity is not a speed to be measured ..it is an assumed force. A force created by mass, composition and density.

It is a force so powerful at times it can bend spacetime, thus it cant be measured as a speed IMHO

A force that can even overpower the speed of light.
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I agree. Gravity is dependent on the mass of an object. The more mass, the more gravity. If mass is constant, gravity is static. Gravity has no velocity. It is an inherent property of mass. It's like wet and water. Neither can be treated separately.

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...

On purpose or not, you are opening the door to theories about the age of the universe and also, you know, creationism.

If time is an illusion, maybe we were taught by dellusional scientists, and everything was true in ancient scriptures!
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That's why they are trying so hard to discredit Einstein.

Space/time are connected. Expansion is time speeding up not space getting bigger.
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"If I have seen further than others, it is by standing upon the shoulders of giants." - Isaac Newton

The same applies to Einstein: Maxwell, Lorentz, Minkowski, Hilbert, Fitzgerald, Voigt, Lamour, Lewis and Tolman, Riemann, Ricci and so many others like Newton.
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As long as you're in the Einstein trap, you'll get no where.
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Correct. The best way to understand gravity and the nature of the universe is to consider what Einstein said, and study the opposite, because he was wrong on pretty much everything.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
gravity does no propagate

gravity is the result that large mass has on space, and the effect is felt instantly because the space itself is altered
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Space has no properties. You need to consider the Aether.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
In theory it should be equivalent to the speed of light.

In reality it is relative to mass energy.

The speed of gravity nearest to the nearest black hole is 10.425 quadrillion times the speed of light.

It's where our theoretical physics fall apart, and why they've got time and space so horribly wrong.

Time as we perceive it is constant but wildly variable throughout the universe. At the center of the universe (if you were there now) time would progress normally for you, and on your timepiece, but hours for you there passed, while in that time millions of years would have passed here.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
that's like placing a bowling ball on a bed, then putting a marble on the bed and watching it roll towards the impression the bowling ball makes

you wouldn't ask how long it takes for the bowling ball to send waves of attraction out to the marble

space itself is the bed, and it is altered by large mass, there is no propagation time, it is already a done deal and the effect is the gravity

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58351617

That's good for a start, except space itself has no properties.

Each atom is surrounded by a field. (A field is a perturbation in the Aether.)

If many atoms have the fields coherently aligned, the effect is magnetism. If the alignment is incoherent, the effect is gravity.

Since the Aether is in all, and is all, the fields are connected. (This is how instantaneous action at a distance is possible.)

Masses that are separated experience inertia, which is a property of the Aether. When the bodies get close enough for the effect to be noticeable, their fields interact, causing a loss of inertia, because the fields are a type of low pressure zone in the Aether.

The loss of inertia causes an acceleration, which people call magnetic "attraction" (if coherent), or gravitational "attraction" (if incoherent).
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
Not unresolved! was solved on a commodore C64!
update:
The C64 data analysis is showing some interesting things!
Get this!
The earth is probably a sphere,
Gravity is not as we thought but it's a flow of aether into a black hole (at the center of the earth (And ALL planets))
For earth it flows at 11.186 km/s at the surface (Yes the escape velocity)
Aether flows through all matter equally but has a drag factor which is why the feather and hammer (and all particles) fall to the earth at the same rate (In a vacuum)
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Thread: DIY: Journey to the centre of the earth (Page 5)
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
In theory it should be equivalent to the speed of light.

In reality it is relative to mass energy.

The speed of gravity nearest to the nearest black hole is 10.425 quadrillion times the speed of light.

It's where our theoretical physics fall apart, and why they've got time and space so horribly wrong.

Time as we perceive it is constant but wildly variable throughout the universe. At the center of the universe (if you were there now) time would progress normally for you, and on your timepiece, but hours for you there passed, while in that time millions of years would have passed here.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46489093

The actual real formulas and equations for the above extremely simplified explanation would change this would and our technologies in ways you can't possibly imagine, or explore in theoretical physics.

We are neither worthy nor ready for it...
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06/12/2017 06:57 PM
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
In theory it should be equivalent to the speed of light.

In reality it is relative to mass energy.

The speed of gravity nearest to the nearest black hole is 10.425 quadrillion times the speed of light.

It's where our theoretical physics fall apart, and why they've got time and space so horribly wrong.

Time as we perceive it is constant but wildly variable throughout the universe. At the center of the universe (if you were there now) time would progress normally for you, and on your timepiece, but hours for you there passed, while in that time millions of years would have passed here.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46489093

The actual real formulas and equations for the above extremely simplified explanation would change this would and our technologies in ways you can't possibly imagine, or explore in theoretical physics.

We are neither worthy nor ready for it...
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46489093

Would=world

But it can't fix autocorrect errors.

lol
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
Van Flandern also discusses the famous Michelson-Morely experiment, the Michelson-Gale experiment, and the Sagnac experiment, which are often cited as discrediting Lorentz’s version of relativity. The truth of the matter is that Lorentz’s version of relativity can easily account for the observations if one simply assumes a local gravity field with preferred frame for local observers, rather than a universal gravity field. Further, at the time, the wave nature of matter has not yet been discovered by Louis de Broglie.

Van Flandern concludes his paper by saying:

Near the end of his career, Lorentz is quoted as having graciously conceded the contest: “My theory can obtain all the same results as special relativity, but perhaps not with a comparable simplicity.” (private communication from C.O. Alley) Today, with hindsight, we might make a somewhat different assessment: “Special relativity can explain all the experimental results in Table II that Lorentzian relativity can, but perhaps not with a comparable simplicity.” Even so, SR cannot explain the faster-than-light propagation of gravity, although LR readily can.

We conclude that the speed of gravity may provide the new insight physics has been awaiting to lead the way to unification of the fundamental forces.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
gravity does no propagate

gravity is the result that large mass has on space, and the effect is felt instantly because the space itself is altered
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gravity only exist between matter and matter

mass has no gravity on space, mass and space cannot interact.

when the distance between two matters changes, their gravity changes. gravity speed is electrostatic force speed.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
all bodies/masses/matters in space are connected by an invisible rubber band we called gravity.

if one mass is moving/vibrating, all the rest masses will share the force according to their distance. F=G x m1m2/rr.

that is the true gravity wave.

gravity is induced attraction electrostatic force, therefore gravity speed is equal to electrostatic force speed.

light is vibrating electrostatic force produced by hot/exited/vibrating charged particles, therefore light speed is equal to gravity speed.

forget about what you learned from books, all wrong.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
Asking what the speed of gravity is, is like asking what the speed of the wind is. It depends.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
all bodies/masses/matters in space are connected by an invisible rubber band we called gravity.

if one mass is moving/vibrating, all the rest masses will share the force according to their distance. F=G x m1m2/rr.

that is the true gravity wave.

gravity is induced attraction electrostatic force, therefore gravity speed is equal to electrostatic force speed.

light is vibrating electrostatic force produced by hot/exited/vibrating charged particles, therefore light speed is equal to gravity speed.

forget about what you learned from books, all wrong.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59686777

"all bodies/masses/matters in space are connected by an invisible rubber band we called gravity the Aether.

"light is vibrating electrostatic force produced by hot/exited/vibrating charged particles perturbations in the Aether, therefore light speed is equal to much slower than gravity speed."

Fixed it for you ^^
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
Lorentz theory was an attempt to demonstrate that "existence of ether" was in accordance with invariance of Laws of Electromagnetism.

Result of Michelson Morley experiment itself did not shatter that theory.

Albert Einstein noted: “Concerning the Experiment of Michelson and Morley, H.A. Lorentz showed that the result obtained at least does not contradict the theory of an ether at rest”

It is often said, that the Lorentz Ether theory and Special Relativity are empirically equivalent and it is not possible to distinguish between these theories by experiment.

The Lorentz Ether Theory explains null result of ether- drift experiments by means of contraction hypothesis and local time.

The both theories employ the same set of transformations (so – called Lorentz Transformations). Reciprocity of observations in Special Relativity takes place due to physical equivalence of reference frames.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
there is no aether, no photon, no quantum.

what is aether made of? what's the mechanism?

science you learned from books is not all correct

the only thing correct is nature laws

we found two, f=G x m1m2/rr and f=Ke x q1q2/rr.

Einstein's theories are all mistakes.

Photoelectric effect theory won him a Nobel. Later he admit it was mistaken. All these fifty years of conscious brooding have brought me no nearer to the answer to the question, 'What are light quanta?' Nowadays every Tom, D i c k and Harry thinks he knows it, but he is mistaken. -Albert Einstein 1953

He thought gravity able to slow down light. If a star has enough mass, its light will be slow down so much and make it invisible, so black hole.

In reality, all star lights have the same speed C. Real black hole is in every toilet.

He thought the sun's gravity able to bend light so at solar eclipse we can see stars behind the sun.

In fact, hot plasma on sun's surface reflect/bend those stars light behind the sun. So those dumb scientists able to took a picture back then to support his theory.

He thought nothing can travel at light speed due to unlimited energy is needed.

Mistaken, he don't even sure what is energy/quantum.

All the motion is caused by force, electrostatic force. f=ma, enough force able to push matter at any speed.

But force has a speed limit, electrostatic force and gravity have same speed as light speed. A train travels at 100 m/h cannot push a man to 101/m/h.

E=Mcc is total bs. Matter is charged particles, energy is the electrostatic force matter carries.