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Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?

 
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
there is no aether, no photon, no quantum.

what is aether made of? what's the mechanism?

science you learned from books is not all correct

the only thing correct is nature laws

we found two, f=G x m1m2/rr and f=Ke x q1q2/rr.



Einstein's theories are all mistakes.

Photoelectric effect theory won him a Nobel. Later he admit it was mistaken. All these fifty years of conscious brooding have brought me no nearer to the answer to the question, 'What are light quanta?' Nowadays every Tom, D i c k and Harry thinks he knows it, but he is mistaken. -Albert Einstein 1953

He thought gravity able to slow down light. If a star has enough mass, its light will be slow down so much and make it invisible, so black hole.

In reality, all star lights have the same speed C. Real black hole is in every toilet.

He thought the sun's gravity able to bend light so at solar eclipse we can see stars behind the sun.

In fact, hot plasma on sun's surface reflect/bend those stars light behind the sun. So those dumb scientists able to took a picture back then to support his theory.

He thought nothing can travel at light speed due to unlimited energy is needed.

Mistaken, he don't even sure what is energy/quantum.

All the motion is caused by force, electrostatic force. f=ma, enough force able to push matter at any speed.

But force has a speed limit, electrostatic force and gravity have same speed as light speed. A train travels at 100 m/h cannot push a man to 101/m/h.

E=Mcc is total bs. Matter is charged particles, energy is the electrostatic force matter carries.
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"what is aether made of"

The Aether is one thing. There is no other thing to compare it to, and it can not be taken apart to examine it, because it cannot be separated, because it is one.



"f=G x m1m2/rr and f=Ke x q1q2/rr"

Yes, and notice that it is the same exact formula, but people think that gravity is different from electricity.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
there is no aether, no photon, no quantum.

what is aether made of? what's the mechanism?

science you learned from books is not all correct

the only thing correct is nature laws

we found two, f=G x m1m2/rr and f=Ke x q1q2/rr.



Einstein's theories are all mistakes.

Photoelectric effect theory won him a Nobel. Later he admit it was mistaken. All these fifty years of conscious brooding have brought me no nearer to the answer to the question, 'What are light quanta?' Nowadays every Tom, D i c k and Harry thinks he knows it, but he is mistaken. -Albert Einstein 1953

He thought gravity able to slow down light. If a star has enough mass, its light will be slow down so much and make it invisible, so black hole.

In reality, all star lights have the same speed C. Real black hole is in every toilet.

He thought the sun's gravity able to bend light so at solar eclipse we can see stars behind the sun.

In fact, hot plasma on sun's surface reflect/bend those stars light behind the sun. So those dumb scientists able to took a picture back then to support his theory.

He thought nothing can travel at light speed due to unlimited energy is needed.

Mistaken, he don't even sure what is energy/quantum.

All the motion is caused by force, electrostatic force. f=ma, enough force able to push matter at any speed.

But force has a speed limit, electrostatic force and gravity have same speed as light speed. A train travels at 100 m/h cannot push a man to 101/m/h.

E=Mcc is total bs. Matter is charged particles, energy is the electrostatic force matter carries.
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"what is aether made of"

The Aether is one thing. There is no other thing to compare it to, and it can not be taken apart to examine it, because it cannot be separated, because it is one.



"f=G x m1m2/rr and f=Ke x q1q2/rr"

Yes, and notice that it is the same exact formula, but people think that gravity is different from electricity.
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aether, photon, graviton, god particle,,, what makes you think they are real thing?

science bluffs a lot.

for example, how gravity distort time and space?

what's the mechanism? what is interact with gravity?

is time and space have mass? charge? force?

think, based on facts we understood. not just read and believe. trust no 1 but truth/fact/reality.
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aether, photon, graviton, god particle,,, what makes you think they are real thing?

science bluffs a lot.

for example, how gravity distort time and space?

what's the mechanism? what is interact with gravity?

is time and space have mass? charge? force?

think, based on facts we understood. not just read and believe. trust no 1 but truth/fact/reality.
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"aether, photon, graviton, god particle,,, what makes you think they are real thing?"

The only thing real is the Aether. The others are made up because those scientists do not accept the Aether.

"science bluffs a lot."

True.

"for example, how gravity distort time and space?"

It does neither. That's science fiction.

"is time and space have mass? charge? force?"

Time is simply the measurement of motion. It is not something in itself. It is just a count of events.

There is really just one force, which is basically static electricity.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
How to be concise: Every theory about gravity is FAKE. Time after time, since Newton, theories and their math models are being adjusted to fit with perceived reality.

As of today, no single theory fits, but scientists keep telling lies while earning undeserved money, as long as they distract the sheeps and help to paint some layer of culture on society and their credences. The fact that only money and power matters. Everything else is for stuffing reality.

Watch how fake science about gravity was created since Newton.
He STATED, with the shell theorem (wich brought Calculus to life), the following facts:

1) There HAS TO BE a force, that I'll call Gravity.
2) Gravity rules earthly things and celestial bodies mechanical behaviors.
3) A spherically symmetric body affects external objects gravitationally as though all of its mass were concentrated at a point at its centre.
4) If the body is a spherically symmetric shell (i.e., a hollow ball), no net gravitational force is exerted by the shell on any object inside, regardless of the object's location within the shell.
5) As stated by others before, this force seems to decay with the square of the distance from the center of the sphere, so there has to be a universal constant G that rules every movement on the Universe. By the way, this constant was grossly measured 111 years after Newton death and is NOT a constant (every scientist related to this field knows it).

Enter Lorentz and after him, Einstein. None of them challenged the ABSURD THEORY that the gravity of a mass can be referred to single point inside the object (it's center of mass), completely disregarding size and shape of the object!

HOW CONVENIENT!! In order to fit available math tools, it is a charm!!


Lorentz and Einstein both developed an restricted theory of relativity. The only one difference is that Lorentz proposed the existance of the aether and Einstein didn't (because of Michelson proof on Earth!!).

But the crazy thing is that both theories, and the general theory of relativity after, USES A POINT (zero radius) as the reference for gravitational fields.

In the GTR, Einstein ASSUME that the mass bends time and space, and it applies to the whole Universe.

In the three teories, c (speed of light) is a constant, BECAUSE they didn't have the math tools to write them otherwise.

What a bunch of crap! And we, as ignorant sheeps, say yes or Ohh!, because we DON'T have the means to travel to the next galaxy and find out HOW OUR SCIENCE works over there.

It's a great thing to postulate crap than has a complex shape and can be proven positive or negative in 1000 years.

All what we need is to be selected as THE VOICE of that bunch of dellusional retarded, err I mean scientists, and to be supported by the media of the current time.

Hey!! Look how smart I am!! Nobody can contradict me, because I wrote a very complex theory and who understand it is a Genius. Do you want to be a Genius?? Agree with me!!


There is NO GRAVITY FORCE or FIELD. The real thing is to be discovered yet. We have some formulae that grossly fits with our needs to make things, so we settle with them.

Sorry for such a long post.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
How to be concise: Every theory about gravity is FAKE. Time after time, since Newton, theories and their math models are being adjusted to fit with perceived reality.

As of today, no single theory fits, but scientists keep telling lies while earning undeserved money, as long as they distract the sheeps and help to paint some layer of culture on society and their credences. The fact that only money and power matters. Everything else is for stuffing reality.

Watch how fake science about gravity was created since Newton.
He STATED, with the shell theorem (wich brought Calculus to life), the following facts:

1) There HAS TO BE a force, that I'll call Gravity.
2) Gravity rules earthly things and celestial bodies mechanical behaviors.
3) A spherically symmetric body affects external objects gravitationally as though all of its mass were concentrated at a point at its centre.
4) If the body is a spherically symmetric shell (i.e., a hollow ball), no net gravitational force is exerted by the shell on any object inside, regardless of the object's location within the shell.
5) As stated by others before, this force seems to decay with the square of the distance from the center of the sphere, so there has to be a universal constant G that rules every movement on the Universe. By the way, this constant was grossly measured 111 years after Newton death and is NOT a constant (every scientist related to this field knows it).

Enter Lorentz and after him, Einstein. None of them challenged the ABSURD THEORY that the gravity of a mass can be referred to single point inside the object (it's center of mass), completely disregarding size and shape of the object!

HOW CONVENIENT!! In order to fit available math tools, it is a charm!!


Lorentz and Einstein both developed an restricted theory of relativity. The only one difference is that Lorentz proposed the existance of the aether and Einstein didn't (because of Michelson proof on Earth!!).

But the crazy thing is that both theories, and the general theory of relativity after, USES A POINT (zero radius) as the reference for gravitational fields.

In the GTR, Einstein ASSUME that the mass bends time and space, and it applies to the whole Universe.

In the three teories, c (speed of light) is a constant, BECAUSE they didn't have the math tools to write them otherwise.

What a bunch of crap! And we, as ignorant sheeps, say yes or Ohh!, because we DON'T have the means to travel to the next galaxy and find out HOW OUR SCIENCE works over there.

It's a great thing to postulate crap than has a complex shape and can be proven positive or negative in 1000 years.

All what we need is to be selected as THE VOICE of that bunch of dellusional retarded, err I mean scientists, and to be supported by the media of the current time.

Hey!! Look how smart I am!! Nobody can contradict me, because I wrote a very complex theory and who understand it is a Genius. Do you want to be a Genius?? Agree with me!!


There is NO GRAVITY FORCE or FIELD. The real thing is to be discovered yet. We have some formulae that grossly fits with our needs to make things, so we settle with them.

Sorry for such a long post.
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Forget about Einstein. He is wrong on mostly everything.

" ... the ABSURD THEORY that the gravity of a mass can be referred to single point inside the object (it's center of mass), completely disregarding size and shape of the object!"

The "center of gravity" is just the average point which summarizes the entire mass. Why does it bother you?

"G" is not precisely constant, but it is close enough.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
Gravity is a PROPERTY of matter.
People who think it doesn't exist need
to come to the New River Bridge in WV
on "Bridge Day".

If you want to jump though,
bring a parachute.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
How to be concise: Every theory about gravity is FAKE. Time after time, since Newton, theories and their math models are being adjusted to fit with perceived reality.

As of today, no single theory fits, but scientists keep telling lies while earning undeserved money, as long as they distract the sheeps and help to paint some layer of culture on society and their credences. The fact that only money and power matters. Everything else is for stuffing reality.

Watch how fake science about gravity was created since Newton.
He STATED, with the shell theorem (wich brought Calculus to life), the following facts:

1) There HAS TO BE a force, that I'll call Gravity.
2) Gravity rules earthly things and celestial bodies mechanical behaviors.
3) A spherically symmetric body affects external objects gravitationally as though all of its mass were concentrated at a point at its centre.
4) If the body is a spherically symmetric shell (i.e., a hollow ball), no net gravitational force is exerted by the shell on any object inside, regardless of the object's location within the shell.
5) As stated by others before, this force seems to decay with the square of the distance from the center of the sphere, so there has to be a universal constant G that rules every movement on the Universe. By the way, this constant was grossly measured 111 years after Newton death and is NOT a constant (every scientist related to this field knows it).

Enter Lorentz and after him, Einstein. None of them challenged the ABSURD THEORY that the gravity of a mass can be referred to single point inside the object (it's center of mass), completely disregarding size and shape of the object!

HOW CONVENIENT!! In order to fit available math tools, it is a charm!!


Lorentz and Einstein both developed an restricted theory of relativity. The only one difference is that Lorentz proposed the existance of the aether and Einstein didn't (because of Michelson proof on Earth!!).

But the crazy thing is that both theories, and the general theory of relativity after, USES A POINT (zero radius) as the reference for gravitational fields.

In the GTR, Einstein ASSUME that the mass bends time and space, and it applies to the whole Universe.

In the three teories, c (speed of light) is a constant, BECAUSE they didn't have the math tools to write them otherwise.

What a bunch of crap! And we, as ignorant sheeps, say yes or Ohh!, because we DON'T have the means to travel to the next galaxy and find out HOW OUR SCIENCE works over there.

It's a great thing to postulate crap than has a complex shape and can be proven positive or negative in 1000 years.

All what we need is to be selected as THE VOICE of that bunch of dellusional retarded, err I mean scientists, and to be supported by the media of the current time.

Hey!! Look how smart I am!! Nobody can contradict me, because I wrote a very complex theory and who understand it is a Genius. Do you want to be a Genius?? Agree with me!!


There is NO GRAVITY FORCE or FIELD. The real thing is to be discovered yet. We have some formulae that grossly fits with our needs to make things, so we settle with them.

Sorry for such a long post.
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Forget about Einstein. He is wrong on mostly everything.

" ... the ABSURD THEORY that the gravity of a mass can be referred to single point inside the object (it's center of mass), completely disregarding size and shape of the object!"

The "center of gravity" is just the average point which summarizes the entire mass. Why does it bother you?

"G" is not precisely constant, but it is close enough.
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It bothers me for the following:

It's said that, as you goes into the body (Earth, by example) ONLY THE MASS BELOWS YOU MATTERS!!

The matter above you, wherever you are into the sphere SHOULD NOT be taken in count, because it doesn't exerts a gravitatory pull over you, as Gravity Pull above you SIMMETRICALLY CANCELS!

How convenient, but absolutely unproven for almost 400 years.

This, and the issue that I can prescind of body shapes and represent the WHOLE UNIVERSE with zero-radius points!

How convenient for the poor math tools that we have.

Please, read my thoughts as I posted above. I made an effort to simplify a complex hoax, sorry, "scientific theories", specially the original SIN that started with Newton and "G".
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
I bet gravity is the speed of quantum mechanics
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
How to be concise: Every theory about gravity is FAKE. Time after time, since Newton, theories and their math models are being adjusted to fit with perceived reality.

As of today, no single theory fits, but scientists keep telling lies while earning undeserved money, as long as they distract the sheeps and help to paint some layer of culture on society and their credences. The fact that only money and power matters. Everything else is for stuffing reality.

Watch how fake science about gravity was created since Newton.
He STATED, with the shell theorem (wich brought Calculus to life), the following facts:

1) There HAS TO BE a force, that I'll call Gravity.
2) Gravity rules earthly things and celestial bodies mechanical behaviors.
3) A spherically symmetric body affects external objects gravitationally as though all of its mass were concentrated at a point at its centre.
4) If the body is a spherically symmetric shell (i.e., a hollow ball), no net gravitational force is exerted by the shell on any object inside, regardless of the object's location within the shell.
5) As stated by others before, this force seems to decay with the square of the distance from the center of the sphere, so there has to be a universal constant G that rules every movement on the Universe. By the way, this constant was grossly measured 111 years after Newton death and is NOT a constant (every scientist related to this field knows it).

Enter Lorentz and after him, Einstein. None of them challenged the ABSURD THEORY that the gravity of a mass can be referred to single point inside the object (it's center of mass), completely disregarding size and shape of the object!

HOW CONVENIENT!! In order to fit available math tools, it is a charm!!


Lorentz and Einstein both developed an restricted theory of relativity. The only one difference is that Lorentz proposed the existance of the aether and Einstein didn't (because of Michelson proof on Earth!!).

But the crazy thing is that both theories, and the general theory of relativity after, USES A POINT (zero radius) as the reference for gravitational fields.

In the GTR, Einstein ASSUME that the mass bends time and space, and it applies to the whole Universe.

In the three teories, c (speed of light) is a constant, BECAUSE they didn't have the math tools to write them otherwise.

What a bunch of crap! And we, as ignorant sheeps, say yes or Ohh!, because we DON'T have the means to travel to the next galaxy and find out HOW OUR SCIENCE works over there.

It's a great thing to postulate crap than has a complex shape and can be proven positive or negative in 1000 years.

All what we need is to be selected as THE VOICE of that bunch of dellusional retarded, err I mean scientists, and to be supported by the media of the current time.

Hey!! Look how smart I am!! Nobody can contradict me, because I wrote a very complex theory and who understand it is a Genius. Do you want to be a Genius?? Agree with me!!


There is NO GRAVITY FORCE or FIELD. The real thing is to be discovered yet. We have some formulae that grossly fits with our needs to make things, so we settle with them.

Sorry for such a long post.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74195287



Forget about Einstein. He is wrong on mostly everything.

" ... the ABSURD THEORY that the gravity of a mass can be referred to single point inside the object (it's center of mass), completely disregarding size and shape of the object!"

The "center of gravity" is just the average point which summarizes the entire mass. Why does it bother you?

"G" is not precisely constant, but it is close enough.
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It bothers me for the following:

It's said that, as you goes into the body (Earth, by example) ONLY THE MASS BELOWS YOU MATTERS!!

The matter above you, wherever you are into the sphere SHOULD NOT be taken in count, because it doesn't exerts a gravitatory pull over you, as Gravity Pull above you SIMMETRICALLY CANCELS!

How convenient, but absolutely unproven for almost 400 years.

This, and the issue that I can prescind of body shapes and represent the WHOLE UNIVERSE with zero-radius points!

How convenient for the poor math tools that we have.

Please, read my thoughts as I posted above. I made an effort to simplify a complex hoax, sorry, "scientific theories", specially the original SIN that started with Newton and "G".
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"It's said that, as you goes into the body (Earth, by example) ONLY THE MASS BELOWS YOU MATTERS!!

The matter above you, wherever you are into the sphere SHOULD NOT be taken in count, because it doesn't exerts a gravitatory pull over you, as Gravity Pull above you SIMMETRICALLY CANCELS!"

Who said that? Anyway, the "shortcut" of considering the mass as if it were a single point is for calculating the behavior on the surface, or above, the mass, not inside it.

Newton was not trying to address the question of what happens if you dig a tunnel into the center of the Earth. No one was considering such things.
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It bothers me for the following:

It's said that, as you goes into the body (Earth, by example) ONLY THE MASS BELOWS YOU MATTERS!!

The matter above you, wherever you are into the sphere SHOULD NOT be taken in count, because it doesn't exerts a gravitatory pull over you, as Gravity Pull above you SIMMETRICALLY CANCELS!

How convenient, but absolutely unproven for almost 400 years.

This, and the issue that I can prescind of body shapes and represent the WHOLE UNIVERSE with zero-radius points!

How convenient for the poor math tools that we have.

Please, read my thoughts as I posted above. I made an effort to simplify a complex hoax, sorry, "scientific theories", specially the original SIN that started with Newton and "G".
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"It's said that, as you goes into the body (Earth, by example) ONLY THE MASS BELOWS YOU MATTERS!!

The matter above you, wherever you are into the sphere SHOULD NOT be taken in count, because it doesn't exerts a gravitatory pull over you, as Gravity Pull above you SIMMETRICALLY CANCELS!"

Who said that? Anyway, the "shortcut" of considering the mass as if it were a single point is for calculating the behavior on the surface, or above, the mass, not inside it.

Newton was not trying to address the question of what happens if you dig a tunnel into the center of the Earth. No one was considering such things.


Read the content on this link:

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

It's the basis of the Newton's proof, only that uses modern notations.

It´s WRONG! Bad use of math and logic.


If you are inside the sphere (assume an homogeneous one) and you (of course) have a mass, then you ALSO are represented by a zero-radius point! Do you follow me?

Then YOU, as a point but with a mass, resides WITHIN an infinitesimal thick shell, as Newton's theory uses.

Then, XVII's century math CAN´T BE APPLIED to you, because Riemann and Gauss haven't be borned yet and the math over curved space DON'T EXIST. So the asumption of CANCELLING OPPOSITE FORCES can't and hasn't be proven within a shell.

So, FAKE and FAKE and FAKE since Newton.

And I remember to you all, that gravity pulls BOTH masses one to each other.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
always thought it was 9.80 m/sec
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Here on this planet with objects inside our atmosphere. (So I understand)
The smaller the planetary body the less gravity.

These guys are talking about complex gravitational waves in outer space. I'm going to keep my mouth shut lol.
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If you are inside the sphere (assume an homogeneous one) and you (of course) have a mass, then you ALSO are represented by a zero-radius point! Do you follow me?

Then YOU, as a point but with a mass, resides WITHIN an infinitesimal thick shell, as Newton's theory uses.

Then, XVII's century math CAN´T BE APPLIED to you, because Riemann and Gauss haven't be borned yet and the math over curved space DON'T EXIST. So the asumption of CANCELLING OPPOSITE FORCES can't and hasn't be proven within a shell.

So, FAKE and FAKE and FAKE since Newton.

And I remember to you all, that gravity pulls BOTH masses one to each other.
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But the practical application of Newton's calculus was for objects outside the Earth (the Moon), and for other moons (of Jupiter, etc) and for planets around the Sun. Not for a solution to the question of what happens if you tunnel to the center of the Earth.
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If you are inside the sphere (assume an homogeneous one) and you (of course) have a mass, then you ALSO are represented by a zero-radius point! Do you follow me?

Then YOU, as a point but with a mass, resides WITHIN an infinitesimal thick shell, as Newton's theory uses.

Then, XVII's century math CAN´T BE APPLIED to you, because Riemann and Gauss haven't be borned yet and the math over curved space DON'T EXIST. So the asumption of CANCELLING OPPOSITE FORCES can't and hasn't be proven within a shell.

So, FAKE and FAKE and FAKE since Newton.

And I remember to you all, that gravity pulls BOTH masses one to each other.
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But the practical application of Newton's calculus was for objects outside the Earth (the Moon), and for other moons (of Jupiter, etc) and for planets around the Sun. Not for a solution to the question of what happens if you tunnel to the center of the Earth.
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Yes it is, also. Is the base of Newton's theory on Gravity. Please read his assumptions and demonstration (wich created differential calculus, by the way) at the Wiki link.

It is easy to read.

Also, there are lots of charts with the calculation (theoretical) of "g" at different depths on Earth, including the density of every layer as they know today.

"g" is non-linear, going to ZERO at the center of Earth. It's assumed to be 9.81 m/s2 at the surface but it peaks at almost 11 m/s2 at a depth of 2000 miles, then descends up to 0.0 at the center.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
all matter is made from charged particles

all changed particles carry electrostatic force

all matters carry gravity

why can't you understand gravity is induced electrostatic force between neutrally charged matters?

married couples attract other married couples, same principle.

gravity speed and electrostatic force speed are the same

both strength decay at 1/rr

is that enough evidence to convince you?

why are you so stupid?
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"what is aether made of"

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that was wrong name for dark matter and dark energy combined

hey, OP, did you get all of this or we have to explain more universe secrets now?

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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
all matter is made from charged particles

all changed particles carry electrostatic force

all matters carry gravity

why can't you understand gravity is induced electrostatic force between neutrally charged matters?

married couples attract other married couples, same principle.

gravity speed and electrostatic force speed are the same

both strength decay at 1/rr

is that enough evidence to convince you?

why are you so stupid?
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I'm sorry, but was borne this way and have to live with it.

Bless that you are gifted and not stupid at all!
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"what is aether made of"

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that was wrong name for dark matter and dark energy combined

hey, OP, did you get all of this or we have to explain more universe secrets now?

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I thought it was the other way around, but....you win!?
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
I think we need to view this in another way.

Frequency, hertz, viewed as a fraction.

12 hertz is 12/1, or 24/2

Changing frequencies is sort of like this. The frequency is dependent upon time as the anchor. All frequency measure by seconds (considering we are using hertz).

Gravity waves alter the lower number. SO what was 12 hertz at 12/1, gravity shifts by 0.1 and now we have 12/1.1

Which is a little less then 12 hertz. But all creation around us is shifting with gravity waves so we don't notice it.

But if we can isolate from it, we should see time speed up and slow down at the rate of the gravity wave.

Just my opinion on the matter.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
There is no gravity...

However there is density & buoyancy.
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Mass in an inertial field, yes of course.

But it's OK to call the resulting action (force) on bodies in space-time 'gravity'.

We are all pulled this-way-and-that, aren't we? If we are conscious of that, then it is so.

But we can also neutralize our mass and weight, because of its distributive ratio.
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I have an interesting quandary...

We understand that matter exists. We can see and feel it as part of our existence. Gravity is related to matter in that all matter with mass has gravity as an integral part if it's existence.

Now consider this: we can divide matter into smaller and smaller components. As we divide matter we find mostly empty space and a few smaller components. We even have components of matter that appear the disappear from existence at the quantum level.

So, as we delve deeper into the structure of matter we end up with empty space.

What do you think of that?

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I have an interesting quandary...

We understand that matter exists. We can see and feel it as part of our existence. Gravity is related to matter in that all matter with mass has gravity as an integral part if it's existence.

Now consider this: we can divide matter into smaller and smaller components. As we divide matter we find mostly empty space and a few smaller components. We even have components of matter that appear the disappear from existence at the quantum level.

So, as we delve deeper into the structure of matter we end up with empty space.

What do you think of that?

cheers
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Then you reach out that, as of today, there are 12 elementary particles in the Standard Model accepted worldwide.

From them, the Higss Bosson is the one that provides the MASS of the elements. Has no electric charge neither an antiparticle.

It´s assumed that they are unbreakable in small particles, and were all present at the Big Bang (Theory). Atoms are formed with them (protons, neutrons, electrons).
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I have an interesting quandary...

We understand that matter exists. We can see and feel it as part of our existence. Gravity is related to matter in that all matter with mass has gravity as an integral part if it's existence.

Now consider this: we can divide matter into smaller and smaller components. As we divide matter we find mostly empty space and a few smaller components. We even have components of matter that appear the disappear from existence at the quantum level.

So, as we delve deeper into the structure of matter we end up with empty space.

What do you think of that?

cheers
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Then you reach out that, as of today, there are 12 elementary particles in the Standard Model accepted worldwide.

From them, the Higss Bosson is the one that provides the MASS of the elements. Has no electric charge neither an antiparticle.

It´s assumed that they are unbreakable in small particles, and were all present at the Big Bang (Theory). Atoms are formed with them (protons, neutrons, electrons).
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big bang, higgs bosson, 12 elementary particles, read and believe?

flat head, my friend.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
I have an interesting quandary...

We understand that matter exists. We can see and feel it as part of our existence. Gravity is related to matter in that all matter with mass has gravity as an integral part if it's existence.

Now consider this: we can divide matter into smaller and smaller components. As we divide matter we find mostly empty space and a few smaller components. We even have components of matter that appear the disappear from existence at the quantum level.

So, as we delve deeper into the structure of matter we end up with empty space.

What do you think of that?

cheers
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Everything seems to be empty space because the thing that gives magnitude (volume, size and shape) to everything is magnetism.

The "force" which you feel when you try to push two opposing magnets together is the same force which keeps your "empty space" from collapsing. Magnetism at the atomic level is what gives volume to matter. The "empty space" is the magnetic field.

Physicists are observing fluctuating, unstable states resulting from their "smash up" experiments and calling these state particles.

The problem is that mainstream science mistakes fields for particles. There are none of these particles.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
there is no aether, no photon, no quantum.

what is aether made of? what's the mechanism?

science you learned from books is not all correct

the only thing correct is nature laws

we found two, f=G x m1m2/rr and f=Ke x q1q2/rr.



Einstein's theories are all mistakes.

Photoelectric effect theory won him a Nobel. Later he admit it was mistaken. All these fifty years of conscious brooding have brought me no nearer to the answer to the question, 'What are light quanta?' Nowadays every Tom, D i c k and Harry thinks he knows it, but he is mistaken. -Albert Einstein 1953

He thought gravity able to slow down light. If a star has enough mass, its light will be slow down so much and make it invisible, so black hole.

In reality, all star lights have the same speed C. Real black hole is in every toilet.

He thought the sun's gravity able to bend light so at solar eclipse we can see stars behind the sun.

In fact, hot plasma on sun's surface reflect/bend those stars light behind the sun. So those dumb scientists able to took a picture back then to support his theory.

He thought nothing can travel at light speed due to unlimited energy is needed.

Mistaken, he don't even sure what is energy/quantum.

All the motion is caused by force, electrostatic force. f=ma, enough force able to push matter at any speed.

But force has a speed limit, electrostatic force and gravity have same speed as light speed. A train travels at 100 m/h cannot push a man to 101/m/h.

E=Mcc is total bs. Matter is charged particles, energy is the electrostatic force matter carries.
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"what is aether made of"

The Aether is one thing. There is no other thing to compare it to, and it can not be taken apart to examine it, because it cannot be separated, because it is one.



"f=G x m1m2/rr and f=Ke x q1q2/rr"

Yes, and notice that it is the same exact formula, but people think that gravity is different from electricity.
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because both follow the inverse square law doesn't make them the same.

Sound also follows the inverse square law. So according to you it must be electric?
I = pv/rr
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because both follow the inverse square law doesn't make them the same.

Sound also follows the inverse square law. So according to you it must be electric?
I = pv/rr
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Sound does not have the M1M2 or Q1Q2 in the numerator. It does not depend on another body.
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because both follow the inverse square law doesn't make them the same.

Sound also follows the inverse square law. So according to you it must be electric?
I = pv/rr
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Sound does not have the M1M2 or Q1Q2 in the numerator. It does not depend on another body.
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electricity doesn't have m in the equation

gravity doesn't have q in the equation

sound doesn't have either.

because they are all different.
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because both follow the inverse square law doesn't make them the same.

Sound also follows the inverse square law. So according to you it must be electric?
I = pv/rr
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1712129


Sound does not have the M1M2 or Q1Q2 in the numerator. It does not depend on another body.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75070929


Light has the same formula as sound

I = s/rr

It doesn't depend on another body.

So light has the same essence as sound
and gravity has the same essence as electricity?
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because both follow the inverse square law doesn't make them the same.

Sound also follows the inverse square law. So according to you it must be electric?
I = pv/rr
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1712129


Sound does not have the M1M2 or Q1Q2 in the numerator. It does not depend on another body.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75070929


electricity doesn't have m in the equation

gravity doesn't have q in the equation

sound doesn't have either.

because they are all different.
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You have missed the point, which is dependency upon another similar body.
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because both follow the inverse square law doesn't make them the same.

Sound also follows the inverse square law. So according to you it must be electric?
I = pv/rr
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1712129


Sound does not have the M1M2 or Q1Q2 in the numerator. It does not depend on another body.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75070929


Light has the same formula as sound

I = s/rr

It doesn't depend on another body.

So light has the same essence as sound
and gravity has the same essence as electricity?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1712129


You are hung up on the R^2 part, but that only comes from radiating out in a spherical pattern.

You have missed the main point of the M1M2, Q1Q2, which is dependency upon another similar body.
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Re: Unresolved mistery: What is the speed of Gravity?
Gravity doesn't move.


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