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Anonymous Coward User ID: 59985120 United States 06/05/2017 02:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I can't even fathom what a gravitational wave truly is . Does it move faster than light ? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75005924 The speed of gravity equals the speed of light. Example: if the sun were to magically vanish it would take 8.3 minutes for the Earth to see it blink-out; at the same time we would experience the gravitational effect of losing said star (which of course is our 'sun'). we do not circle around the visible star we rotate around the star in space, because the star is moving thru space all of the solar system would fall apart if we were pulled to the visible. gravity is faster than light by enormous amounts, probably not instant across all of space. i mean Einstein grav is so fail. if gravity is equal to or less than speed of light how can a black hole swallow light? it would have to be stronger and faster. broken. black holes can't exist within the current model. science is broken and we all know that. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75027575 United States 06/05/2017 03:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When it gets un-understandable to the most brilliant physicists on the planet, they like to say "the laws of physics break down". Most of you have heard that before? I would like to remind you all that the LAWS of true physics are never violated. The only thing violated is the ego of the brilliant minds of people who think they have it all figured out. When anything in the universe happens, it obeys the laws of physics. They could be super duper rip your pooper complex physics that cannot be understood by humankind yet, but since it did happen means that the laws of physics did not break down. They are just not understood yet. Same with gravity, wherein we can measure light (which does have mass) and can other measurements accordingly. Gravity is the elephant in the room. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75005329 Greece 06/05/2017 03:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I can't even fathom what a gravitational wave truly is . Does it move faster than light ? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75005924 The speed of gravity equals the speed of light. Example: if the sun were to magically vanish it would take 8.3 minutes for the Earth to see it blink-out; at the same time we would experience the gravitational effect of losing said star (which of course is our 'sun'). we do not circle around the visible star we rotate around the star in space, because the star is moving thru space all of the solar system would fall apart if we were pulled to the visible. gravity is faster than light by enormous amounts, probably not instant across all of space. i mean Einstein grav is so fail. if gravity is equal to or less than speed of light how can a black hole swallow light? it would have to be stronger and faster. broken. black holes can't exist within the current model. science is broken and we all know that. Science will always be broken according to your standards. There will never be a "perfect" theory. The best science can do is to find theories which are capable of predicting our experiences locally better than other theories can. There is nothing you can do to prove a theory right as we cannot even know if spacetime out there is how we imagine it to be according to various theories. All we know about the world out there is by our imagination based on the here and now we experience. Einstein being a genius improved on the old theories and offered a theory which predicts the here and now much more accurate than others, but ever since, we did not have any scientists on the level of Einstein to improve his theories, but more or less parrots repeating his works. The reason why light has a fixed velocity and why we have to think of different reference frames in relativity is because scientists haven't figured out yet that the metric is a 5th wheel on the wagon. It is not required and has to be occam razored out. There will soon be a metricless theory of relativity with only one spacetime object, acceleration equating to rotating within that metricless object and moving in a different direction _relative_ to the object, at the SAME "velocity" as every other observer(experiencing entity). Topology is what will get us there. Distance, velocity, direction etc, will have to be redefined within this metricless spacetime object. Some new math will have to be discovered. |
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R... User ID: 72033323 Netherlands 06/05/2017 03:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no gravity, there is no space, there is no time. Pushing gravity into measurability of spacetime, is to leave it succumbed to man's senses i.e. many different outcomes are possible, dependant of the observer. "A strange game. The only winning move is not to play." - 'Wargames' "This world is more like a mystery, trapped in a conundrum, spun by a paradox." - AC1118155 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 59273345 United Kingdom 06/05/2017 04:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If a star explodes, the radiation waves (X, gamma, etc.) would reach Earth at the speed of light (assume a constant "c" vakue). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75026031 But what about gravity? Gravitational waves weren't included in Einstein body of work. Just recently, some gravitational waves were sensed, but no speed has been measured yet. Are the gravity effects instantaneous? You see there are no Gravitational waves,just waves gravity has no speed Einstein is a fixed point that moves nowhere but is everywhere now you get it tell Einstein he was way off on gravity. |
a Dude, not THE Dude User ID: 75002581 United States 06/05/2017 05:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We just don't know for sure. Our understanding of the universe might be very flawed. It's a certainty that our understanding is incomplete. Read this, if you want to read an interesting article that demonstrates a problem with gravity just moving at the speed of light: [link to mic.com (secure)] |
hillbilly User ID: 74921274 United States 06/05/2017 05:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Since the Earth is essentially an eggshell, all theories based on a solid ball are wrong. We would weigh much more on a solid ball. We live on the surface of a shell hundreds of miles thick. Once you wrap your mind around that, everything else begins to make sense. Water is the only drink for a wise man. Call me a pot but heat me not.-Putin Silence is where God speaks. Anything else is but a poor translation. -Rumi Wanna hear God laugh? Just talk about your plans. An old broom knows all the corners. Slow is steady; steady is smooth; smooth is fast. Success has a thousand fathers but failure only one son. The deeper that sorrow carves into your being, the more joy you can contain.-Gibran |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 74195287 Argentina 06/05/2017 08:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We just don't know for sure. Our understanding of the universe might be very flawed. It's a certainty that our understanding is incomplete. Quoting: a Dude, not THE Dude Read this, if you want to read an interesting article that demonstrates a problem with gravity just moving at the speed of light: [link to mic.com (secure)] Very simple to understand and favours Newton's conception of instantaneous effect of gravity. |
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MarPep User ID: 74998314 United States 06/05/2017 02:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, majority of respondents don't even understand your question. But then again, on GLP, everyone gets a voice. Last Edited by MarPep on 06/05/2017 02:48 PM _______________ They let me off with a warning and a couple of bullet holes. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72730707 United States 06/05/2017 02:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The speed of gravity is . 43. Nah, gravity doesn't move. It just is. Stretch a thin rubber sheet across a pool table. Lay a cue ball in the middle, the rubber sags a bit equally around the ball. If you rolled a marble at an angle past the cue ball, it would start to curve and spiral into the cue ball. This is a 2 dimensional representation of how mass affects the space around it. Once the mass is there, the gravity is there. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 59686777 United States 06/05/2017 03:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | science told you that there are four different kinds of forces. it is wrong. all forces are based on electrostatic force. all matters are formed from charged particles. light speed, electrostatic force speed, and gravity speed are the same. WHY? light strength, electrostatic force strength, and gravity strength are decay at same 1/rr. WHY? because light is vibrating electrostatic force produced by vibrating atoms. gravity is induced electrostatic attraction force between neutrally charged matters. the truth is simple, right in front of your eyes. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 59686777 United States 06/05/2017 03:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | science told you that there are four different kinds of forces. it is wrong. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59686777 all forces are based on electrostatic force. all matters are formed from charged particles. light speed, electrostatic force speed, and gravity speed are the same. WHY? light strength, electrostatic force strength, and gravity strength are decay at same 1/rr. WHY? because light is vibrating electrostatic force produced by vibrating atoms. gravity is induced electrostatic attraction force between neutrally charged matters. the truth is simple, right in front of your eyes. einstein and newton will MAD |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74195287 Argentina 06/05/2017 03:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | science told you that there are four different kinds of forces. it is wrong. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59686777 all forces are based on electrostatic force. all matters are formed from charged particles. light speed, electrostatic force speed, and gravity speed are the same. WHY? light strength, electrostatic force strength, and gravity strength are decay at same 1/rr. WHY? because light is vibrating electrostatic force produced by vibrating atoms. gravity is induced electrostatic attraction force between neutrally charged matters. the truth is simple, right in front of your eyes. Do you know that the Moon is electrostatic charged with both polarities? It has been measured since 1970 by three countries. The side that faces the Sun is positively charged, because it receives all the time a shower of positive ions (Hydrogen and helium without an electron each). The dark side of the Moon is negatively charged with a cloud of free electrons captured by the Moon mass, that comes as radiation from the Sun (missing electrons of the ions). Both fields are supposed to be equals and to displace around the surface as the Moon exposes to the Sun. Maybe this thing of gravity and electrostatic charges (like within a vacuum filled capacitor) has something undiscovered yet. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54094184 United States 06/05/2017 03:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If a star explodes, the radiation waves (X, gamma, etc.) would reach Earth at the speed of light (assume a constant "c" vakue). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75026031 But what about gravity? Gravitational waves weren't included in Einstein body of work. Just recently, some gravitational waves were sensed, but no speed has been measured yet. Are the gravity effects instantaneous? There are no gravitational waves, despite popular claims. Gravity is an example of instantaneous action at a distance, and is a property of the Aether. The Aether is one; it is all; it is everywhere. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74195287 Argentina 06/05/2017 03:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If a star explodes, the radiation waves (X, gamma, etc.) would reach Earth at the speed of light (assume a constant "c" vakue). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75026031 But what about gravity? Gravitational waves weren't included in Einstein body of work. Just recently, some gravitational waves were sensed, but no speed has been measured yet. Are the gravity effects instantaneous? There are no gravitational waves, despite popular claims. Gravity is an example of instantaneous action at a distance, and is a property of the Aether. The Aether is one; it is all; it is everywhere. So, then Einstein was wrong (as Lorentz) and gravity is faster than a wave of light or electromagnetic wave (same thing, different colours). The only difference between Einstein and Lorentz restricted relativity theory is that Lorentz assumed the existance of the aether filling the space. On his own words: Eistein did it easier to understand. Both failed because of Lorentz equations, wich Einstein reused. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 54094184 United States 06/05/2017 03:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | science told you that there are four different kinds of forces. it is wrong. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59686777 all forces are based on electrostatic force. all matters are formed from charged particles. light speed, electrostatic force speed, and gravity speed are the same. WHY? light strength, electrostatic force strength, and gravity strength are decay at same 1/rr. WHY? because light is vibrating electrostatic force produced by vibrating atoms. gravity is induced electrostatic attraction force between neutrally charged matters. the truth is simple, right in front of your eyes. No, light speed is very slow. It is a rate of induction, not a fundamental property. Gravity, magnetic, and electrostatic effects are all related. Being a property of the Aether, which is one and which is all, the propagation is instantaneous. |