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Picked up by ZeroHedge: I have been reviewing resumes and just keep face palming...
Wow, really? No doubt now that they read GLP:
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I own a small manufacturing company. Most of the assembly work is done at a bench, with hand tools. The work is not difficult, but quality and consistency is paramount.

We are entering into our busiest time of year, and steady growth combined with losing one of our senior bench techs has caused me to run some ads (after spreading the word around to friends and associates).

I have been involved in the manufacturing business for about 30 years, and have seen thousands of resumes.

The last couple weeks I have been reviewing a couple dozen resumes a day. What I am seeing now, is stunning and disappointing. When did people stop learning how to compose a sentence? When did they decide that a resume composed of two sentences is somehow complete? The poor level of spelling, grammar, and frankly effort has me perplexed and perpetually face-palming.

So far, I have two resumes that were not immediately round-filed. Just two.

If this is the current state of our potential work force, we are in trouble.

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I have millennials that I assist with their resumes for this reason. It seems that none of them understand the purpose of a resume, nor are they taught how to develop one. I see shitty resumes all the time, and when they leave my hands, they are professional, succinct and well formatted.

The other thing I do is explain to them WHY I'm making the changes to the resume, and what purpose the change serves.

The best resume I ever edited helped my wife get a good paying job after 20 years of marriage and stay-at-home child rearing, so she could eventually screw another guy, and I could file against her for divorce without having to pay her alimony.
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Re: Picked up by ZeroHedge: I have been reviewing resumes and just keep face palming...
A Resume has nothing whatsoever to do with whether a person would be an excellent candidate for a manufacturing position.

You are essentially requiring mastery of English to prove you can notice detail on a block of wood or whatever it is you do.

If you were as smart as you want your applicants to be, you'd judge them based on their motivation and ability to be trained to DO WHAT YOU NEED THEM TO DO and nothing more.

Many times an illiterate person will do a far greater job at manufacturing than someone with a PHD in English.

Seriously, I think you might just be trolling with a post this stupid.
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that's YOUR responsibility to train quality and consistency...the quality of your employees should come out of your pocket not theirs...its your business, pay for own bullshit and quit living off others while claiming success
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Whether or not the position requires spelling, grammar, etc., or not, it makes a very important impression - that the person cares. It's sort of like going to an interview in dirty clothes and unbathed...did the interviewee care enough to be presentable for the job interview? One's presentation speaks volumes.

Preparing a resume takes some effort and work. Is someone too lazy to work up a simple resume? Then, they will more than likely not care what kind of work they perform.

First impressions.

5 stars

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Re: Picked up by ZeroHedge: I have been reviewing resumes and just keep face palming...
A Resume has nothing whatsoever to do with whether a person would be an excellent candidate for a manufacturing position.

You are essentially requiring mastery of English to prove you can notice detail on a block of wood or whatever it is you do.

If you were as smart as you want your applicants to be, you'd judge them based on their motivation and ability to be trained to DO WHAT YOU NEED THEM TO DO and nothing more.

Many times an illiterate person will do a far greater job at manufacturing than someone with a PHD in English.

Seriously, I think you might just be trolling with a post this stupid.
 Quoting: Jai_Guru_Jesus_Om


I am not requiring mastery of English. Just basic spelling, sentences that make sense, and some sign that at least a little effort was taken.

The resume is the first point of contact with a potential employer. If I did NOT judge the candidate based on the resume, I would be spending all my time interviewing.
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Re: Picked up by ZeroHedge: I have been reviewing resumes and just keep face palming...
Whether or not the position requires spelling, grammar, etc., or not, it makes a very important impression - that the person cares. It's sort of like going to an interview in dirty clothes and unbathed...did the interviewee care enough to be presentable for the job interview? One's presentation speaks volumes.

Preparing a resume takes some effort and work. Is someone too lazy to work up a simple resume? Then, they will more than likely not care what kind of work they perform.

First impressions.

5 stars
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You said it better than I.

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Re: Picked up by ZeroHedge: I have been reviewing resumes and just keep face palming...
A Resume has nothing whatsoever to do with whether a person would be an excellent candidate for a manufacturing position.

You are essentially requiring mastery of English to prove you can notice detail on a block of wood or whatever it is you do.

If you were as smart as you want your applicants to be, you'd judge them based on their motivation and ability to be trained to DO WHAT YOU NEED THEM TO DO and nothing more.

Many times an illiterate person will do a far greater job at manufacturing than someone with a PHD in English.

Seriously, I think you might just be trolling with a post this stupid.
 Quoting: Jai_Guru_Jesus_Om


He's not trolling and I think you are completely off base.

A resume shows quite a bit about a person, how they think, their level of detail, how educated they are, etc.

If they can't even create a simple resume explaining who they are and what they can offer a business in terms of "value", why should they even be considered?

What you're saying is the person can be uneducated and ignorant, but if they can screw two blocks of wood together... they should be hired?

I understand what you are saying, but if I owned a business and was looking to hire someone for ANY position, I would want the most qualified (educated) candidate. If they graduated high school and cannot complete a proper sentence, there's a problem and you shouldn't be enabling it.
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that's YOUR responsibility to train quality and consistency...the quality of your employees should come out of your pocket not theirs...its your business, pay for own bullshit and quit living off others while claiming success
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Hey AC... I think I saw your resume in the pile! It is in the trash now.
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Re: Picked up by ZeroHedge: I have been reviewing resumes and just keep face palming...
I have millennials that I assist with their resumes for this reason. It seems that none of them understand the purpose of a resume, nor are they taught how to develop one. I see shitty resumes all the time, and when they leave my hands, they are professional, succinct and well formatted.

The other thing I do is explain to them WHY I'm making the changes to the resume, and what purpose the change serves.

The best resume I ever edited helped my wife get a good paying job after 20 years of marriage and stay-at-home child rearing, so she could eventually screw another guy, and I could file against her for divorce without having to pay her alimony.
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Sorry about the wife, but thanks for helping people out. If folks understood how important a resume is, they would (I hope) take it more seriously.
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Re: Picked up by ZeroHedge: I have been reviewing resumes and just keep face palming...
Also, there are resume forms online that a person can use as a boiler plate. Do it yourself deal. Sometimes if one's looking for a job, there's not extra money to hire a resume company.

I'm not an expert, but I've done some resumes to try and help out a friend. It's not my favorite thing to do for another person, but I've done it.
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Re: Picked up by ZeroHedge: I have been reviewing resumes and just keep face palming...
A Resume has nothing whatsoever to do with whether a person would be an excellent candidate for a manufacturing position.

You are essentially requiring mastery of English to prove you can notice detail on a block of wood or whatever it is you do.

If you were as smart as you want your applicants to be, you'd judge them based on their motivation and ability to be trained to DO WHAT YOU NEED THEM TO DO and nothing more.

Many times an illiterate person will do a far greater job at manufacturing than someone with a PHD in English.

Seriously, I think you might just be trolling with a post this stupid.
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We are not screwing blocks of wood together. Our gear can be fairly complex, and everything simply has to be done right, or it will be caught in QC and it will just have to be done again. If a person cannot supply a resume that presents themselves in a good light, I certainly am not going to give them a precision assembly job.
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I have millennials that I assist with their resumes for this reason. It seems that none of them understand the purpose of a resume, nor are they taught how to develop one. I see shitty resumes all the time, and when they leave my hands, they are professional, succinct and well formatted.

The other thing I do is explain to them WHY I'm making the changes to the resume, and what purpose the change serves.

The best resume I ever edited helped my wife get a good paying job after 20 years of marriage and stay-at-home child rearing, so she could eventually screw another guy, and I could file against her for divorce without having to pay her alimony.
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Good job, never let a woman stay home watching kids, always keep her working otherwise you will lose custody of the kids when she leaves you.

Plus children raised with a stay home mom turn out to be incredibly naive. Most of the social justice warriors were raised by a stay home mom and had a dad at work all the time who couldn't give them attention when they were young.
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i recently resigned my position at a factory as their trainer for this very reason. Quality of hires is pathetic. Meth heads, alcoholics, prescription meds, illiteracy, poor attendance, etc.
For every good hire we made there were at least 10 that either don't last a week or are slow and never reach quotas but show up with out missing work.
I'm in my 50's with arthritis, old injuries to joints and ligaments, herniated discs etc. It's all i can do to get to work. I hold cycle time records and quota records on every job we run and i'm their best operator. I'm a beat up tired guy....this should not be. People 10 to 30 years younger than me should be able to out perform me and they don't. There is no reason a beat up 50 something year old man should be the fastest in a factory of hundreds of people mostly younger than myself. It's the work ethic of these younger people...i'm done...sick of holding hands of bed wetters.
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Re: Picked up by ZeroHedge: I have been reviewing resumes and just keep face palming...
A Resume has nothing whatsoever to do with whether a person would be an excellent candidate for a manufacturing position.

You are essentially requiring mastery of English to prove you can notice detail on a block of wood or whatever it is you do.

If you were as smart as you want your applicants to be, you'd judge them based on their motivation and ability to be trained to DO WHAT YOU NEED THEM TO DO and nothing more.

Many times an illiterate person will do a far greater job at manufacturing than someone with a PHD in English.

Seriously, I think you might just be trolling with a post this stupid.
 Quoting: Jai_Guru_Jesus_Om


A hard worker works hard at everything.(including his resume)

A skilled worker is not always a hard worker.

He maybe losing some skill but gaining good work ethic in return.
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Hore somone smart like me and i take you job
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A Resume has nothing whatsoever to do with whether a person would be an excellent candidate for a manufacturing position.

You are essentially requiring mastery of English to prove you can notice detail on a block of wood or whatever it is you do.

If you were as smart as you want your applicants to be, you'd judge them based on their motivation and ability to be trained to DO WHAT YOU NEED THEM TO DO and nothing more.

Many times an illiterate person will do a far greater job at manufacturing than someone with a PHD in English.

Seriously, I think you might just be trolling with a post this stupid.
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A hard worker works hard at everything.(including his resume)

A skilled worker is not always a hard worker.

He maybe losing some skill but gaining good work ethic in return.
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Skill can be gained through experience. it's too late for them to gain work ethic.
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many colleges offer resume writing as a course (or part of a course) and it is probably a great idea. no use gaining knowledge, if you can't market yourself.
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The flip side of this is that it is now very easy to differentiate yourself from other candidates, especially in the entry-level job categories.
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Well FUCK YOU and don't be so judgemental. Jobs are scarce now.

When your company goes down the drain with the economy, you just might find yourself in the same boat..typing up a shitty (it ain't gonna matter) CV...
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A Resume has nothing whatsoever to do with whether a person would be an excellent candidate for a manufacturing position.

You are essentially requiring mastery of English to prove you can notice detail on a block of wood or whatever it is you do.

If you were as smart as you want your applicants to be, you'd judge them based on their motivation and ability to be trained to DO WHAT YOU NEED THEM TO DO and nothing more.

Many times an illiterate person will do a far greater job at manufacturing than someone with a PHD in English.

Seriously, I think you might just be trolling with a post this stupid.
 Quoting: Jai_Guru_Jesus_Om


You don't know what you're talking about.

It's the effort put into the resume over everything else that shows the character of the person. If they can't make it look somewhat decent, do you think they will give a shit about doing a good job on the manufacturing line?
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A Resume has nothing whatsoever to do with whether a person would be an excellent candidate for a manufacturing position.

You are essentially requiring mastery of English to prove you can notice detail on a block of wood or whatever it is you do.

If you were as smart as you want your applicants to be, you'd judge them based on their motivation and ability to be trained to DO WHAT YOU NEED THEM TO DO and nothing more.

Many times an illiterate person will do a far greater job at manufacturing than someone with a PHD in English.

Seriously, I think you might just be trolling with a post this stupid.
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He's not trolling and I think you are completely off base.

A resume shows quite a bit about a person, how they think, their level of detail, how educated they are, etc.

If they can't even create a simple resume explaining who they are and what they can offer a business in terms of "value", why should they even be considered?

What you're saying is the person can be uneducated and ignorant, but if they can screw two blocks of wood together... they should be hired?

I understand what you are saying, but if I owned a business and was looking to hire someone for ANY position, I would want the most qualified (educated) candidate. If they graduated high school and cannot complete a proper sentence, there's a problem and you shouldn't be enabling it.
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...or...

It shows quite a bit about the person they had write it for them and nothing at all about the job candidate regarding how they think, their level of detail, or their education.

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Social media and standardized testing have ruined the art of writing.

OP - Have you had any success finding candidates at job fairs?
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Good job, never let a woman stay home watching kids, always keep her working otherwise you will lose custody of the kids when she leaves you.
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that's YOUR responsibility to train quality and consistency...the quality of your employees should come out of your pocket not theirs...its your business, pay for own bullshit and quit living off others while claiming success
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^ Stupid motherfucker.
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I own a small manufacturing company. Most of the assembly work is done at a bench, with hand tools. The work is not difficult, but quality and consistency is paramount.

We are entering into our busiest time of year, and steady growth combined with losing one of our senior bench techs has caused me to run some ads (after spreading the word around to friends and associates).

I have been involved in the manufacturing business for about 30 years, and have seen thousands of resumes.

The last couple weeks I have been reviewing a couple dozen resumes a day. What I am seeing now, is stunning and disappointing. When did people stop learning how to compose a sentence? When did they decide that a resume composed of two sentences is somehow complete? The poor level of spelling, grammar, and frankly effort has me perplexed and perpetually face-palming.

So far, I have two resumes that were not immediately round-filed. Just two.

If this is the current state of our potential work force, we are in trouble.
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Its because they never learned to write (except on a phone)
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A Resume has nothing whatsoever to do with whether a person would be an excellent candidate for a manufacturing position.

You are essentially requiring mastery of English to prove you can notice detail on a block of wood or whatever it is you do.

If you were as smart as you want your applicants to be, you'd judge them based on their motivation and ability to be trained to DO WHAT YOU NEED THEM TO DO and nothing more.

Many times an illiterate person will do a far greater job at manufacturing than someone with a PHD in English.

Seriously, I think you might just be trolling with a post this stupid.
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He's not trolling and I think you are completely off base.

A resume shows quite a bit about a person, how they think, their level of detail, how educated they are, etc.

If they can't even create a simple resume explaining who they are and what they can offer a business in terms of "value", why should they even be considered?

What you're saying is the person can be uneducated and ignorant, but if they can screw two blocks of wood together... they should be hired?

I understand what you are saying, but if I owned a business and was looking to hire someone for ANY position, I would want the most qualified (educated) candidate. If they graduated high school and cannot complete a proper sentence, there's a problem and you shouldn't be enabling it.
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...or...

It shows quite a bit about the person they had write it for them and nothing at all about the job candidate regarding how they think, their level of detail, or their education.
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It still shows the applicant put the effort into presenting a good resume. That would tell me the applicant would find ways to get things done correctly.
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Hore somone smart like me and i take you job
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Thanks for making my point, AC.
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I own a small manufacturing company. Most of the assembly work is done at a bench, with hand tools. The work is not difficult, but quality and consistency is paramount.

We are entering into our busiest time of year, and steady growth combined with losing one of our senior bench techs has caused me to run some ads (after spreading the word around to friends and associates).

I have been involved in the manufacturing business for about 30 years, and have seen thousands of resumes.

The last couple weeks I have been reviewing a couple dozen resumes a day. What I am seeing now, is stunning and disappointing. When did people stop learning how to compose a sentence? When did they decide that a resume composed of two sentences is somehow complete? The poor level of spelling, grammar, and frankly effort has me perplexed and perpetually face-palming.

So far, I have two resumes that were not immediately round-filed. Just two.

If this is the current state of our potential work force, we are in trouble.
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Most of our potential work force does not want to work.redface
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that's YOUR responsibility to train quality and consistency...the quality of your employees should come out of your pocket not theirs...its your business, pay for own bullshit and quit living off others while claiming success
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^ Stupid motherfucker.
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I agree that the person that thinks employers are responsible for training employees is wrong.
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Re: Picked up by ZeroHedge: I have been reviewing resumes and just keep face palming...
Social media and standardized testing have ruined the art of writing.

OP - Have you had any success finding candidates at job fairs?
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I have not tried job fairs. So far, we have had good luck via word of mouth and our circle of contacts. This is the first time in about three years that I have actually run ads and solicited resumes.
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