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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 74640871  United Kingdom06/17/2017 07:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72747881 Of course some people die in a violent way. That's a fact. The storylines the corporate media put out with these staged events are pure fiction. As well as the complete lack of independent footage you have so called witnesses, clearly reading from a script. The usual no emotion, some of them even smiling/giggling and all of them perfectly clean and tidy. As usual, how could the corporate media within a day, name or know how many allegedly died? Where are the photos of all the many ambulances who logically would have been at the scene? And of course the usual 'hero' stories. This one from an alleged fireman who was also allegedly one of the first on the scene at the 7/7 bombing. Funny that eh? Another over used storyline of theirs. 7/7 was also a staged production, full of ridiculous photoshopped pictures - as all of these events are. [link to www.thesun.co.uk (secure)] And then there's the stories of children/babies being thrown out of windows and miraculously neatly caught five/ten storeys down. It's all bullshit. Honestly, there are retards and there are retards, you are a fucking idiot of a retard. I literally drive past that tower every day you can clearly see it visibly from the A40 The thing was ablaze on the morning I was going to work they hadnt closed the roads yet until that evening and I saw the fucking thing with my own eyes. The A40 was open the following day and you can see the burnt out shell of the building. Seriously, grow a fucking pair and head down there and see the people and tell them they are all crisis actors. I reckon you might last 2 minutes before being torn apart and I would laugh my ass off. Buildings catch fire, its a matter of fact. This one just seems to be one bad fuck up after another that has led to a massive loss of life. I don't understand why you seem to think this is a hoax? I honestly don't get that line of thinking? You are living in Narnia you lunatic. Why are people saying this never happened ! They are living in cuckoo land ... You tell me I'm living in Narnia, then you ask me why people think this is a hoax? WTF? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6573954 United Kingdom06/17/2017 07:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It amuses me that these hoaxtards believe they live in a world where no one dies a violent death, ever. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73032991 If only it were true Of course some people die in a violent way. That's a fact. The storylines the corporate media put out with these staged events are pure fiction. As well as the complete lack of independent footage you have so called witnesses, clearly reading from a script. The usual no emotion, some of them even smiling/giggling and all of them perfectly clean and tidy. As usual, how could the corporate media within a day, name or know how many allegedly died? Where are the photos of all the many ambulances who logically would have been at the scene? And of course the usual 'hero' stories. This one from an alleged fireman who was also allegedly one of the first on the scene at the 7/7 bombing. Funny that eh? Another over used storyline of theirs. 7/7 was also a staged production, full of ridiculous photoshopped pictures - as all of these events are. [link to www.thesun.co.uk (secure)] And then there's the stories of children/babies being thrown out of windows and miraculously neatly caught five/ten storeys down. It's all bullshit. Honestly, there are retards and there are retards, you are a fucking idiot of a retard. I literally drive past that tower every day you can clearly see it visibly from the A40 The thing was ablaze on the morning I was going to work they hadnt closed the roads yet until that evening and I saw the fucking thing with my own eyes. The A40 was open the following day and you can see the burnt out shell of the building. Seriously, grow a fucking pair and head down there and see the people and tell them they are all crisis actors. I reckon you might last 2 minutes before being torn apart and I would laugh my ass off. Buildings catch fire, its a matter of fact. This one just seems to be one bad fuck up after another that has led to a massive loss of life. I don't understand why you seem to think this is a hoax? I honestly don't get that line of thinking? I don't think they were saying that the fire itself was a hoax because you could see the fire but there's a lot of things that don't add up for me in the way it's being portrayed in the media. The other points they made are legitimate IMO. Wasn't till I read them that I realised I hadn't actually seen any ambulances which seems very odd with such a huge blaze and especially as the news reports say people had been taken to hospital. The other thing a mate of mine pointed out is there only seems to be pictures of one hose pipe being aimed at the tower. I don't know how many fire engines they had down there but surely there'd be loads of hoses aimed at that kind of fire? |
curry nosher (OP) User ID: 75098073  Nepal06/17/2017 07:45 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation |  Emergency and Disaster Information Service Number of affected people / Humanities loss Dead person(s) 30 Injured person(s) 30 Missing person(s) 538 Evacuated/rescued person(s) 65 [link to hisz.rsoe.hu] Is that a legit site? Very good find if so ac. |
| curry nosher (OP) User ID: 75098073 Nepal06/17/2017 07:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Recipe for civil "muzz" uprising,stabbing people ,jihad and other stuff Thread: Organizer of Grenfell tower protests was arrested for suspicion of terrorism offences few years ago Yeah this is gonna get interesting, perfect cover or distarction for some jihadi crap. |
| Simple27 User ID: 48123712  United States06/17/2017 08:04 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Emergency and Disaster Information Service Number of affected people / Humanities loss Dead person(s) 30 Injured person(s) 30 Missing person(s) 538 Evacuated/rescued person(s) 65 [link to hisz.rsoe.hu] Sadly this sounds the most accurate. ~*Ride the Wave*~ |
| RefreshPage User ID: 75028733  Canada06/17/2017 08:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Emergency and Disaster Information Service Number of affected people / Humanities loss Dead person(s) 30 Injured person(s) 30 Missing person(s) 538 Evacuated/rescued person(s) 65 [link to hisz.rsoe.hu] Is that a legit site? Very good find if so ac. Yes, legit site. But on their about us page they have a disclaimer, so the info can't be guaranteed to be accurate. The Internet is a confusing place, where nothing is as it seems - Joshuah Bearman |
| Simple27 User ID: 48123712 United States06/17/2017 08:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Emergency and Disaster Information Service Number of affected people / Humanities loss Dead person(s) 30 Injured person(s) 30 Missing person(s) 538 Evacuated/rescued person(s) 65 [link to hisz.rsoe.hu] Is that a legit site? Very good find if so ac. Site is legit. Where they got the numbers, I don't know. ~*Ride the Wave*~ |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 74640871 United Kingdom06/17/2017 08:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Of course some people die in a violent way. That's a fact. The storylines the corporate media put out with these staged events are pure fiction. As well as the complete lack of independent footage you have so called witnesses, clearly reading from a script. The usual no emotion, some of them even smiling/giggling and all of them perfectly clean and tidy. As usual, how could the corporate media within a day, name or know how many allegedly died? Where are the photos of all the many ambulances who logically would have been at the scene? And of course the usual 'hero' stories. This one from an alleged fireman who was also allegedly one of the first on the scene at the 7/7 bombing. Funny that eh? Another over used storyline of theirs. 7/7 was also a staged production, full of ridiculous photoshopped pictures - as all of these events are. [link to www.thesun.co.uk (secure)] And then there's the stories of children/babies being thrown out of windows and miraculously neatly caught five/ten storeys down. It's all bullshit. Honestly, there are retards and there are retards, you are a fucking idiot of a retard. I literally drive past that tower every day you can clearly see it visibly from the A40 The thing was ablaze on the morning I was going to work they hadnt closed the roads yet until that evening and I saw the fucking thing with my own eyes. The A40 was open the following day and you can see the burnt out shell of the building. Seriously, grow a fucking pair and head down there and see the people and tell them they are all crisis actors. I reckon you might last 2 minutes before being torn apart and I would laugh my ass off. Buildings catch fire, its a matter of fact. This one just seems to be one bad fuck up after another that has led to a massive loss of life. I don't understand why you seem to think this is a hoax? I honestly don't get that line of thinking? I don't think they were saying that the fire itself was a hoax because you could see the fire but there's a lot of things that don't add up for me in the way it's being portrayed in the media. The other points they made are legitimate IMO. Wasn't till I read them that I realised I hadn't actually seen any ambulances which seems very odd with such a huge blaze and especially as the news reports say people had been taken to hospital. The other thing a mate of mine pointed out is there only seems to be pictures of one hose pipe being aimed at the tower. I don't know how many fire engines they had down there but surely there'd be loads of hoses aimed at that kind of fire? thats the thing, if you don't know the area, it would be hard to understand that there are bollards and railings and other buildings round there, its just so built up that you literally can't drive around it. It's hard to explain with out actually seeing it but its not like its sitting there on its own, the whole place is literally built up round there. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 68611057 United States06/17/2017 08:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The people who should be held accountable for this carnage are the contractors who took good money, given in good faith, and then used substandard materials for the remodel. You can bet they did the same thing on similar remodels. Whoever was supposed the inspect the remodel construction should be held accountable too. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 74640871 United Kingdom06/17/2017 08:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The people who should be held accountable for this carnage are the contractors who took good money, given in good faith, and then used substandard materials for the remodel. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68611057 You can bet they did the same thing on similar remodels. Whoever was supposed the inspect the remodel construction should be held accountable too. They will have to come down hard this time. People will want some one to go to jail. they won't be able to brush this one under the carpet. Apparently there are at least another 300 tower blocks in the UK with the same cladding from the same company. If I was living in one of them I would be fitting a smoke alarm and have an exit plan because the way that building went up, I wouldn't want to be sitting around waiting to be saved. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 70491108  Germany06/17/2017 08:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The people who run this are in Powerful posistions, millionaires who will never be held to account. They live in Mansions, safely away from London google is your friend..look up the companys and contractors also..the insurance claims will be millions. The ritch do not want this on their door step, a hideous burnt out shell, i think the tower will be "detonated" to apease the silent "city money men" i can see Lawyers making a mint too...lots of prominent folks not sleeping tonight, survivors still sleeping rough in local sports hall, all 65/70 of them death toll, probs 600 |
| the Seer User ID: 74624302 United Kingdom06/17/2017 09:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The death toll in the London high-rise fire has risen to 30 people as dozens of others remain missing, British police confirmed on Friday. Firefighters continued to search the smoldering ruins after fire ripped through the building early Wednesday morning. The death toll is still expected to rise substantially. Some have speculated that the number of dead could exceed 100. "From a personal perspective, I really hope it isn't," Metropolitan Police commander Stuart Cundy responded to the speculation. Twenty-four people are being treated in the hospital, including 12 in critical care. An investigation was launched on Thursday to determine the cause of the fire, though there is no indication it was started deliberately at this time, authorities said |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 23003710 United Kingdom06/17/2017 09:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72747881 Of course some people die in a violent way. That's a fact. The storylines the corporate media put out with these staged events are pure fiction. As well as the complete lack of independent footage you have so called witnesses, clearly reading from a script. The usual no emotion, some of them even smiling/giggling and all of them perfectly clean and tidy. As usual, how could the corporate media within a day, name or know how many allegedly died? Where are the photos of all the many ambulances who logically would have been at the scene? And of course the usual 'hero' stories. This one from an alleged fireman who was also allegedly one of the first on the scene at the 7/7 bombing. Funny that eh? Another over used storyline of theirs. 7/7 was also a staged production, full of ridiculous photoshopped pictures - as all of these events are. [link to www.thesun.co.uk (secure)] And then there's the stories of children/babies being thrown out of windows and miraculously neatly caught five/ten storeys down. It's all bullshit. Honestly, there are retards and there are retards, you are a fucking idiot of a retard. I literally drive past that tower every day you can clearly see it visibly from the A40 The thing was ablaze on the morning I was going to work they hadnt closed the roads yet until that evening and I saw the fucking thing with my own eyes. The A40 was open the following day and you can see the burnt out shell of the building. Seriously, grow a fucking pair and head down there and see the people and tell them they are all crisis actors. I reckon you might last 2 minutes before being torn apart and I would laugh my ass off. Buildings catch fire, its a matter of fact. This one just seems to be one bad fuck up after another that has led to a massive loss of life. I don't understand why you seem to think this is a hoax? I honestly don't get that line of thinking? You are living in Narnia you lunatic. Why are people saying this never happened ! They are living in cuckoo land ... It's also extremely insulting to those souls departed and to their families. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75063353 United Kingdom06/17/2017 09:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 45699534 United Kingdom06/18/2017 03:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Emergency and Disaster Information Service Number of affected people / Humanities loss Dead person(s) 30 Injured person(s) 30 Missing person(s) 538 Evacuated/rescued person(s) 65 [link to hisz.rsoe.hu] Is that a legit site? Very good find if so ac. Site is legit. Where they got the numbers, I don't know. Its just a take from the electoral roll, or the census or estimating by number of flats and averages. But it's only saying how many would be missing if all 650 were present, plus it hasn't updated the known dead count. Firefighters are saying at least 200 bodies they're not ones to usually excaterate either. This week is going to be interesting, especially with today being fathers day and there are many fathers without their children and children without fathers, tempers and emotions are going to be mixed and frayed, when emotions are mixed people can't think clearly and that's dangerous. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 70895794 United Kingdom06/18/2017 04:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hmmm - I think it would be fair to say that the impression given by the media is that Grenfell Tower was a bit of a shabby shithole, full of immigrants on Housing benefit. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20574401 Take a look at this. It's a listing for a 2 bed flat in the Tower, which was available from May 2017. Pretty luxurious by anyone's standards wouldn't you say? [link to www.rightmove.co.uk] Rent was £395 pw and it clearly says 'No DSS / Housing Benefit Applicants' - somewhat ironic as it was an ex council/social housing block. And again only specific flats were privately owned Ah yes, but it became privately owned when a ex-social housing tenant bought it cheaply from the council. They made a shot load of money. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75100232 Germany06/18/2017 05:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75100232 Germany06/18/2017 05:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yeah, like being a man for starters!!!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6573954 emma trannypants [link to 415fa21a445f490800d077a6-jerseypeeps.netdna-ssl.com (secure)] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 45699534 United Kingdom06/18/2017 07:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hmmm - I think it would be fair to say that the impression given by the media is that Grenfell Tower was a bit of a shabby shithole, full of immigrants on Housing benefit. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20574401 Take a look at this. It's a listing for a 2 bed flat in the Tower, which was available from May 2017. Pretty luxurious by anyone's standards wouldn't you say? [link to www.rightmove.co.uk] Rent was £395 pw and it clearly says 'No DSS / Housing Benefit Applicants' - somewhat ironic as it was an ex council/social housing block. And again only specific flats were privately owned Ah yes, but it became privately owned when a ex-social housing tenant bought it cheaply from the council. They made a shot load of money. Not in that area it isn't, the cost of those properties even an old flat would require someone to buy in from outside or have employment, and a good credit file too. But again it has no relevance as only some of the flats were privately owned. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75072755  Australia06/18/2017 07:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Chatter about over 500 missing possibly dead. Dunno how accurate Quoting: Taskforce88 Seems a bit much I think they estimate that there were about 500 people in the building. The figures they are putting out don't add up because with the amount of people in hospital, with the dead they have already confirmed, and the people accounted for that got out or were rescued seems to place the amount at between 300-350 meaning some 150-200 are missing. I stopped by there today just to have a look around and the amount of pictures of missing people are a lot more then the 58 the police are saying. But it's hard to gauge the true figure because they know who's in hospital and who's been found, so some of those pictures might be people they already located. I think they are drip feeding the figures to try and keep a lid on the anger. There is DEFINITELY a lot of tension in the area. London is turning to shit. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75099916 United Kingdom06/18/2017 07:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hmmm - I think it would be fair to say that the impression given by the media is that Grenfell Tower was a bit of a shabby shithole, full of immigrants on Housing benefit. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20574401 Take a look at this. It's a listing for a 2 bed flat in the Tower, which was available from May 2017. Pretty luxurious by anyone's standards wouldn't you say? [link to www.rightmove.co.uk] Rent was £395 pw and it clearly says 'No DSS / Housing Benefit Applicants' - somewhat ironic as it was an ex council/social housing block. And again only specific flats were privately owned Ah yes, but it became privately owned when a ex-social housing tenant bought it cheaply from the council. They made a shot load of money. Not in that area it isn't, the cost of those properties even an old flat would require someone to buy in from outside or have employment, and a good credit file too. But again it has no relevance as only some of the flats were privately owned. Stop posting your drivel. These flats are sold off well below market value to tenants. [link to www.rbkc.gov.uk (secure)] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 48497869  Ireland06/18/2017 07:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hmmm - I think it would be fair to say that the impression given by the media is that Grenfell Tower was a bit of a shabby shithole, full of immigrants on Housing benefit. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20574401 Take a look at this. It's a listing for a 2 bed flat in the Tower, which was available from May 2017. Pretty luxurious by anyone's standards wouldn't you say? [link to www.rightmove.co.uk] Rent was £395 pw and it clearly says 'No DSS / Housing Benefit Applicants' - somewhat ironic as it was an ex council/social housing block. And again only specific flats were privately owned Ah yes, but it became privately owned when a ex-social housing tenant bought it cheaply from the council. They made a shot load of money. Not in that area it isn't, the cost of those properties even an old flat would require someone to buy in from outside or have employment, and a good credit file too. But again it has no relevance as only some of the flats were privately owned. The a/c's right. These were 100% council owned. The only ones who could buy them were the tenants. Forgive me but you're being a bit naive. Having had experience of the housing dept in the past, I know how it works. Tenants would approach developers/investors to lend them the money in return for a share of future high rental income etc. The whole State housing system's being scammed on a huge scale. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 71123686  Switzerland06/18/2017 07:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So We have a whole bunch if immigrants shacked up in a council tower block These people are known for their lackadaisical altitude toward health & safety etc. [link to images.duckduckgo.com (secure)] Does anyone think that perhaps, an overloaded electrick point mite have been overloaded? just a thought ...  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75072755 Australia06/18/2017 07:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71123686 We have a whole bunch if immigrants shacked up in a council tower block These people are known for their lackadaisical altitude toward health & safety etc. [link to images.duckduckgo.com (secure)] Does anyone think that perhaps, an overloaded electrick point mite have been overloaded? just a thought ... The fridge story sounds like bullshit. I just can't understa Why they told them to stay inside. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 48497869 Ireland06/18/2017 07:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ah yes, but it became privately owned when a ex-social housing tenant bought it cheaply from the council. They made a shot load of money. Not in that area it isn't, the cost of those properties even an old flat would require someone to buy in from outside or have employment, and a good credit file too. But again it has no relevance as only some of the flats were privately owned. The a/c's right. These were 100% council owned. The only ones who could buy them were the tenants. Forgive me but you're being a bit naive. Having had experience of the housing dept in the past, I know how it works. Tenants would approach developers/investors to lend them the money in return for a share of future high rental income etc. The whole State housing system's being scammed on a huge scale. Recent example. Someone found a missing Grenfell tenant.. "He wasn't at the flat, he was visiting Egypt ( a country he fled and received the flat after claiming asylum),relatives were staying there" [link to mobile.twitter.com (secure)] |
| MySoul User ID: 70934138 United Kingdom06/18/2017 07:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ah yes, but it became privately owned when a ex-social housing tenant bought it cheaply from the council. They made a shot load of money. Not in that area it isn't, the cost of those properties even an old flat would require someone to buy in from outside or have employment, and a good credit file too. But again it has no relevance as only some of the flats were privately owned. Stop posting your drivel. These flats are sold off well below market value to tenants. [link to www.rbkc.gov.uk (secure)] As stated above these flats were originally owned by council tenants. They were the ones who bought them at greatly reduced prices, not someone to buy in from outside. It is very relevant as council housing should stay council housing. Ex-tenants HAVE made lots of money and now there is no council housing for the people who need it. What choice do I have but to be myself? Everyone else was already taken. Develop a nostalgia for the future - Maxwell Maltz MySoul |
| ThisWayUp User ID: 72383599 United Kingdom06/18/2017 07:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The 2011 census reports for property 2 owned outright 4 owned with mortgage 0 shared ownership 91 rented from council 7 rented: other social 2 rented private landlord 4 rent Free --------------- 110 total flats in Grenfell. Link [link to www.streetcheck.co.uk (secure)] . |
| MySoul User ID: 70934138 United Kingdom06/18/2017 07:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The 2011 census reports for property Quoting: ThisWayUp 2 owned outright 4 owned with mortgage 0 shared ownership 91 rented from council 7 rented: other social 2 rented private landlord 4 rent Free --------------- 110 total flats in Grenfell. Link [link to www.streetcheck.co.uk (secure)] . I am not doubting what you have found, but curious as why some are rented from other social, and who are the 2 rented private landlord? Those flats must have been council owned at one time, the tenants must have bought them and have now become private landlords. Sadly a lot of people have lost their lives, but I think a lot of corruption will come to light and it won't only be at the top. I suppose we can never find out how many persons were living in each flat. The voters list won't be accurate, but then how many people in that block did vote....? What choice do I have but to be myself? Everyone else was already taken. Develop a nostalgia for the future - Maxwell Maltz MySoul |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 48497869 Ireland06/18/2017 07:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The 2011 census reports for property Quoting: ThisWayUp 2 owned outright 4 owned with mortgage 0 shared ownership 91 rented from council 7 rented: other social 2 rented private landlord 4 rent Free --------------- 110 total flats in Grenfell. Link [link to www.streetcheck.co.uk (secure)] . That's interesting. So, if there are 110 flats, I've forgotten how many in hospital, add those already declared dead, plus all the tenants alive and well, how the hell can there be hundreds supposedly dead and being covered up??? |
| curry nosher (OP) User ID: 75100287 Nepal06/18/2017 07:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70895794 Ah yes, but it became privately owned when a ex-social housing tenant bought it cheaply from the council. They made a shot load of money. Not in that area it isn't, the cost of those properties even an old flat would require someone to buy in from outside or have employment, and a good credit file too. But again it has no relevance as only some of the flats were privately owned. The a/c's right. These were 100% council owned. The only ones who could buy them were the tenants. Forgive me but you're being a bit naive. Having had experience of the housing dept in the past, I know how it works. Tenants would approach developers/investors to lend them the money in return for a share of future high rental income etc. The whole State housing system's being scammed on a huge scale. Recent example. Someone found a missing Grenfell tenant.. "He wasn't at the flat, he was visiting Egypt ( a country he fled and received the flat after claiming asylum),relatives were staying there" [link to mobile.twitter.com (secure)] Thats just pissed me right off lol. Theirs Brits & expats marrying men and women from all over the world that cannot bring them into the UK without a 26k a yr job in UK for 6 months min or 50k sat in the bank yet immigrants are flocking in and cash n housing being dished out plus relatives can come and the fact he went back to his country just shows what a farce it has become. |
