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What makes the ceremonial baptism so important? And does catholicism differ from protestants on baptism?

Francis can not change 2000 years of catholic teaching.

He is a product of Vatican II.


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You need to be baptized as Jesus was in the River Jordan, by being fully immersed to symbolize going into the grave with Christ and the resurrection, the victory over death.

Baby baptisms are meaningless.

We are never truly forced.

The devil cannot control us unless we allow him to.

Sicut Judaeis (Latin: "As the J e w s") was a papal bull setting out the official position of the papacy regarding the treatment of Jewish.

Excerpts from a translation of the bull follow:

"[The Jewish] ought to suffer no prejudice. We, out of the meekness of Christian piety, and in keeping in the footprints of Our predecessors of happy memory, the Roman Pontiffs Calixtus, Eugene, Alexander, Clement, admit their petition, and We grant them the buckler of Our protection.

For We make the law that no Christian compel them, unwilling or refusing, by violence to come to baptism. But, if any one of them should spontaneously, and for the sake of the faith, fly to the Christians, once his choice has become evident, let him be made a Christian without any calumny. Indeed, he is not considered to possess the true faith of Christianity who is not recognized to have come to Christian baptism, not spontaneously, but unwillingly.

Too, no Christian ought to presume...to injure their persons, or with violence to take their property, or to change the good customs which they have had until now in whatever region they inhabit.

Besides, in the celebration of their own festivities, no one ought disturb them in any way, with clubs or stones, nor ought any one try to require from them or to extort from them services they do not owe, except for those they have been accustomed from times past to perform.

...We decree... that no one ought to dare mutilate or diminish a Jewish cemetery, nor, in order to get money, to exhume bodies once they have been buried.

If anyone, however, shall attempt, the tenor of this decree once known, to go against it...let him be punished by the vengeance of excommunication, unless he correct his presumption by making equivalent satisfaction.

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Thank you. I was only asking, because some earlier seemed to excuse the actions of the Spanish conquistadores.

Thank you. I was only asking, because some earlier seemed to excuse the actions of the Spanish conquistadores.

Baptism is required, because Jesus said so.

Matthew 28:19

"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"

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Some protestants don't even believe in baptism. They all contradict each other, which is not surprising.

Baptism as Peter said it, including Children:

"Peter said to them, “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, every one whom the Lord our God calls to him"

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Couldn't "baptizing" be the act of teaching? Immersion in knowledge?"

As an aside--what time is it where you are? I don't wish to keep you.

You need to be baptized as Jesus was in the River Jordan, by being fully immersed to symbolize going into the grave with Christ and the resurrection, the victory over death.

Baby baptisms are meaningless.

I tend to agree with this. A baby cannot decide. I can't hurt, though. One can always "renew their vows," as it were.

I tend to agree with this. A baby cannot decide. I can't hurt, though. One can always "renew their vows," as it were.

Thread: The Vatican has murdered 70 million human beings.

II have red that. Thank you, Photine. I am just trying to hear both side of the issue.

No, the new testament is full of what exactly baptism means. You encounter the problem of protestantism, where they don't even understand the simplest words.

The catholic position is unrefuteable.

It's ugly, but it's the truth.

The Roman Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon, Mother of Harlots.

The Vatican is behind the flooding of Europe with Muslims.

Baptism is just a ritual it doesn't have any power in and of itself.

:) That was an independent thought.

I guess I really need to read the Bible. It is difficult for me. I read really slow anyway, and have trouble with the old English. I get frustrated.

Baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation. Everyone needs to be regenerated.

This is 2000 years of Christian teaching.

I didn't say it's not necessary, LOL.

Photine, #3726, and #3796.

I will go now. Thank you for staying with me for so long. I feel like a Christian. I understand the basic teachings. I have a desire to learn more, though.

You all have provided a lot of references. I think we should fight the immediate evil together before we cut each other up, though.