Hard to believe: what is the speed of electrons on a 1 metter cooper wire at 1 Ampere and 10 Mhz?

Sorry I didn't see your post early. You are correct!

Current typically flows from the external part of the cross section of a wire, toward the internal part as the amperage rises. But the heat at the wire also does, so you have to be carefull.

Cooper is a good conductor (being pure) and it only needs 8Ev of energy to liberate electrons. On electrical wiring for AC current, cooper is too weak and expensive. Because of that, it was used multiwire iron cables and later alluminium, also multiwire. This is what reaches residential houses.

LOL, yup and did you know the electrons travel on the outside of the copper wire and not through the center?

Must be why they use it so much less friction and less heat

what you said is mind boggling. thanks for the insight. Do not worry about those idiots. they know nothing.

I read your next posts. You are an OK. person.

Two days ago, I wrote a post (just for fun):

When a Photon stops being a Photon? At what frequency or wavelength?

Thread: When a Photon stops being a Photon? At what frequency or wavelength?

It was a good thread, and we handle this subject there.

You have to consider the dual wave/particle behavior of EM Waves. You select the behavior that suits the job you are doing. For instance:

- In radiocommunications: EM Waves.
- In optoelectronics and FO comm: Photons.

No collision, no missunderstandings. Working with both at the same time is depending on the system you are working.

It comes to my mind an article about the chinese development of a quantic radar, related to entanglement. There you use both behaviors, but in different sections of the system.

Yes, this is also what causes inductance, capacitance, and resistance. You've got to put enough electrons into the object to get them to bounce other electrons out the other end. But they are not the same electron.

Now, study mirrors. (hint, the photon that goes in is NOT the photon that comes back to you). Similar principle, but even weirder.

Then QM...that takes some thinking and I'm not 100% sold that there's not a whole other layer under the Planck length that we can't measure...Einstein thought so.

Oh and everything boils down to PHOTONS in the end...the buck stops at Planck.

Apologize accepted. Sorry I didn't read your post last night. I was busy keeping two separated threads updated.

Thanks you very much. I feel honored, and I enjoy posting and discussing scientifical subjects of wich I know a bit. One "filter" I use to select subjects is that they have to be non-trivial, to make things more interesting.

Yes, another fellow remarked this also. I already replied.

Please forgive me, I could not help myself. Having spent a career as an engineer myself I have always been amore than a bit of a stickler for precision. I meant no disrespect, just being me. Again, my sincere apologies, I had not considered language crossover as a possibility. Thank you for slapping me down, I need it from time to time. Life has pummeled me fairly hard.

Don´t worry (I'm the OP). I was reading what I posted last night and NEVER made so many mistakes at english in such a short period of time. I was very ashamed this morning.

Maybe, as an excuse, I was typing at the dark in the kitchen and had to hurry up, because I was attending several threads at the same time. My mistake.

By the way, I consider my english being between 7/10 and 8/10, but I don't feel the need to perfect it, given how often I use it (mostly for reading).

I have told you before, there are no particles like protons and electrons. Those are just models.

The electrons do not travel through the wire. They do not travel on the outside of the wire.

They do not travel at all, because they do not exist in the way described by the particle model.

There is an electric field surrounding the wire. That field exists whether you are looking at a ratio transmitter and receiver (where the field is between the two antennas) or a simple battery-wire-lightbulb circuit (where the field is between the wires, battery plates, and bulb filament).

The permittivity and permeability of the wire guides the field. The filament has a higher resistance which makes it glow.

More like the resistance is decreased...

There are 2 C's, two constants

For all your insistence you can't seem to quote nor even list any plausible mechanism for this effect...

I propose to you that a copper wire, connected to nothing, no antennae, no battery, just free air and earth, also has a magnetic field of its own accord...All elements found upon Earth, oscillates at a frequency, everything...(H), (He), (C)...name it, it gives off a magnetic field...
The squeaky wheel does not always get the grease...Just the facts...No reason

I have had practical experience that proves your point. Many years ago I designed and project managed a very large conveyor system that had over 200 A/C motors to run the lines. My electrician had wired all of these motors from the motors through conduits into a main trough and into the control panel, but nothing was terminated in the panel yet. As he was working in the main trough he got zapped twice with pretty sizable electrical charges that read almost 100 VAC on his meter. All of this was apparently just stray current picked up by the miles of copper wire from the static charges in the atmosphere. Or it could have been magic, I suppose.

Wow. I'm glad you came back. That may be the most interesting post yet! To me, anyway.

I was reading this thread and thought about charging a battery from a long wire.

[link to freeenergy2000.tripod.com]

A changing magnetic field causes a changing electrical field.

When you use a VERY LONG wire, the Earth magnetic field, wich moves because the Earth rotates, induced the E field on the wire.

Also, a long wire can pickup protons from the Sun that reaches the Earth surface. A long known fact. Read about the Carrington Event, by 1860.

Also, at the space shuttle, they tried once to pickup current dragging a mile long wire. The current was so high that it melted the cable. Never tried again and stuck with solar pannels.

I have been an electrician for over 40 years and a master for over 30...I am not a pencil pushing engineer, hands on and hard work have gotten me through this profession...I worked residential, commercial, and industrial installations and I know what you mean about static (not connected to a source) lines seeming to be energized without power supplied...

Even the copper water lines, that run through houses. will produce an electric discharge if not properly grounded...Now everything seems to be plastic...

So perhaps we should discuss the causality of these anomalies...First, let me say, Nothing is static on our wonderful Earth...We are on a world that changes every micro-second...These changes are not necessarily cause by an overt physical process, but can be seen in the microcosm as well...Electromagnetic force (EMF) is in everything and can be changed by the most subtle forces...Electromotive force(emf) is and outward applied force, i.e. the power grid, battery, etc...These are not the same however the mechanisms "for change" are the same...

Someone earlier used the analogy of the water hose filled with marbles and by the standard of "emf" works very well...However, I would like to add that rather "adding" another marble it would be more proper to say that the marble was "taken"...In the case for the hose nothing was gained nor loss in the hose in so much as there was no demand for the extra marble...For "emf" to work in our grid system the electricity has to go somewhere, i.e. run a light bulb, a motor, a refrigerator....

I the case of "EMF" a force already exist, as everything has a magnetic field around it, everything, its field is produced by "atoms in motion" nothing is static...
So why are atoms in motion, what is the mechanism for this?? The factors that cause this anomaly can be from heat, to pressure, to a solar flare, or even another passing body...

So what is this "EMF"?? By name it is both electric (a charge/force), and magnetic (a direction), which by the way is omnidirectional, a field as it were...When the field is disrupted by another field (regardless of direction) the force is either attracted or repelled by this force...

I know then why do like atoms attract and undesired repelled...But wait that is the reverse of the "standard" model for magnetism...

I have more but don't want to get too long winded...Also I would like to here some feed back before I get carried away...

EMF Everywhere!

What causes this unconnected AC motor to rotate?

Thermal expansion of the muffler bearings. Need greasing.

Pretty damn interesting thread, OP.

Cool.

I found your post as well as this whole thread very helpful. You seem to be using your knowledge and experience to understand the bigger picture, which to me is the spiritual component. So much of science is isolationism devoid of the spiritual. So please continue when you get a chance.

What is the answer?

What was the material of the two strips he placed underneath the motor?


Where were the wires supposed to be attached?


What kind of gloves is he wearing?

What is the white thing marked 6V connected to? A wall outlet?

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this subject is institutionally repressed by covetous institutions and their conventions.

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The mechanism is that the magnetic field (either from magnets in a generator, or from the magnetic fields in the atoms of the battery chemicals) acting upon the electric charge in the atoms produces this electric field which is shaped by the permittivity and permeability of the wire.

This is interpreted as "electron flow", but that is just a particle-based model of the field.