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Question: "What does it mean that Jesus fulfilled the law, but did not abolish it?"

Answer: In Matthew’s record of what is commonly called the Sermon on the Mount, these words of Jesus are recorded: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished” (Matthew 5:17-18).

It is frequently argued that if Jesus did not “abolish” the law, then it must still be binding. Accordingly, such components as the Sabbath-day requirement must be operative still, along with perhaps numerous other elements of the Mosaic Law. This assumption is grounded in a misunderstanding of the words and intent of this passage. Christ did not suggest here that the binding nature of the law of Moses would remain forever in effect. Such a view would contradict everything we learn from the balance of the New Testament (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:23-25; Ephesians 2:15).

Of special significance in this study is the word rendered “abolish.” It translates the Greek term kataluo, literally meaning “to loosen down.” The word is found seventeen times in the New Testament. It is used, for example, of the destruction of the Jewish temple by the Romans (Matthew 26:61; 27:40; Acts 6:14), and of the dissolving of the human body at death (2 Corinthians 5:1). The term can carry the extended meaning of “to overthrow,” i.e., “to render vain, deprive of success.” In classical Greek, it was used in connection with institutions, laws, etc., to convey the idea of “to invalidate.”

It is especially important to note how the word is used in Matthew 5:17. In this context, “abolish” is set in opposition to “fulfill.” Christ came “...not to abolish, but to fulfill.” Jesus did not come to this earth for the purpose of acting as an opponent of the law. His goal was not to prevent its fulfillment. Rather, He revered it, loved it, obeyed it, and brought it to fruition. He fulfilled the law’s prophetic utterances regarding Himself (Luke 24:44). Christ fulfilled the demands of the Mosaic law, which called for perfect obedience under threat of a “curse” (see Galatians 3:10, 13). In this sense, the law’s divine design will ever have an abiding effect. It will always accomplish the purpose for which it was given.

If, however, the law of Moses bears the same relationship to men today, in terms of its binding status, then it was not fulfilled, and Jesus failed at what He came to do. On the other hand, if the Lord did accomplish His goal, then the law was fulfilled, and it is not a binding legal institution today. Further, if the law of Moses was not fulfilled by Christ—and thus remains as a binding legal system for today—then it is not just partially binding. Rather, it is a totally compelling system. Jesus plainly said that not one “jot or tittle” (representative of the smallest markings of the Hebrew script) would pass away until all was fulfilled. Consequently, nothing of the law was to fail until it had completely accomplished its purpose. Jesus fulfilled the law. Jesus fulfilled all of the law. We cannot say that Jesus fulfilled the sacrificial system, but did not fulfill the other aspects of the law. Jesus either fulfilled all of the law, or none of it. What Jesus' death means for the sacrificial system, it also means for the other aspects of the law.

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asking gotquestions.wtvr about the bible is like asking snopes about politics.


Jesus fulfilled the sacrifical law. The feasts, festivals and sacrifices were all symbolic prophecies of Him.

Jesus fulfilled them.

Jesus at the same time obeyed the Law of God.

2 laws.

1 fulfilled, 1 obeyed.


The 10 commandments are still binding. Including the 7th day sabbath of the 4th commandment.


*if not, then there is no sin. Seeing as the bible sais sin is "transgression of the Law"
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He discharged your obligations ...
what remains(non-abolished) is setoff and adjustment.
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asking gotquestions.wtvr about the bible is like asking snopes about politics.


Jesus fulfilled the sacrifical law. The feasts, festivals and sacrifices were all symbolic prophecies of Him.

Jesus fulfilled them.

Jesus at the same time obeyed the Law of God.

2 laws.

1 fulfilled, 1 obeyed.


The 10 commandments are still binding. Including the 7th day sabbath of the 4th commandment.


*if not, then there is no sin. Seeing as the bible sais sin is "transgression of the Law"
 Quoting: Itiswhatitisheh


Christ is the end of the law to all who believe
He destroyed sin death and hell
By grace through faith in jesus christ the son of God we are saved
Not by our own effort works goodness prayers service etc etc
But entirely saved By God through Jesus his Son.
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The opposite of 'loosen down' is 'to weave'....

Fulfil is not the correct word. It is Weave.

It is a word play. The root of 'weave' in Hebrew is Masecha which sounds like Mashiach, the Jewish word for Messiah.

Masecha means 'to tractate' or 'treatise'.... It ties in with the covenants with Noah and Abraham,

Masecha is also the root of 'prince' as in 'Prince of Peace' and 'molten image', tying in with Revelation's Alpha and Omega.

The fact Masecha is referred to by Jesus and later in the Alpha/Omega shows that Jesus is a pre-cursor to the Mashiach. Jesus lays the foundations which the Alpha/Omega picks up and the foundations are later referred to in New Jerusalem.

Jesus starts the thread. He even refers to threading a needle with a camel.

Jesus is but a stitch.

The true Mashiach/Son of Man/Mahdi is yet to come.
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asking gotquestions.wtvr about the bible is like asking snopes about politics.


Jesus fulfilled the sacrifical law. The feasts, festivals and sacrifices were all symbolic prophecies of Him.

Jesus fulfilled them.

Jesus at the same time obeyed the Law of God.

2 laws.

1 fulfilled, 1 obeyed.


The 10 commandments are still binding. Including the 7th day sabbath of the 4th commandment.


*if not, then there is no sin. Seeing as the bible sais sin is "transgression of the Law"
 Quoting: Itiswhatitisheh


Christ is the end of the law to all who believe
He destroyed sin death and hell
By grace through faith in jesus christ the son of God we are saved
Not by our own effort works goodness prayers service etc etc
But entirely saved By God through Jesus his Son.
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if there is no law, there is no sin.

so saved from what?
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"For the Lord God shall not do anything, unless first he tell his secret, or his private plans to his servants, the prophets."
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"For the Lord God shall not do anything, unless first he tell his secret, or his private plans to his servants, the prophets."
Amos 3:7 WYC
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Christ is the end of the law to all who believe
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Oh yeah? Christ is the end of the Law?

So we are free to sin now? Thanks to Jesus?
"For the Lord God shall not do anything, unless first he tell his secret, or his private plans to his servants, the prophets."
Amos 3:7 WYC
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It means you are in a talmudist babylonian sun cult and you need to wake up. 90% of this planet is not doomed to "hell" just because your fairy tales say so.
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Christ is the end of the law to all who believe
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Oh yeah? Christ is the end of the Law?

So we are free to sin now? Thanks to Jesus?
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Of course PHOTINE, a cultist propagandist is here.
You can't defend your plagiarized cult ,and only your threads are safe from the truth since you ban everyone that doesn't suck Roman pacification bs from the mainline. Is it painful to actually THINK instead of parroting plagiarized babylonian BS?
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It means you are in a talmudist babylonian sun cult and you need to wake up. 90% of this planet is not doomed to "hell" just because your fairy tales say so.
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Hell isn't even Christian.

You're thinking of Roman Catholicism.
"For the Lord God shall not do anything, unless first he tell his secret, or his private plans to his servants, the prophets."
Amos 3:7 WYC
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The law is very simple and defined by the first two commandments: love God with your whole heart, mind and soul.......and: love all creation as yourself. As Yeshua said, all other commandments hung on these two laws. It was the pharisees that made things too complicated for people to realistically follow. Anyway, Yeshua fulfilled the two great commandments by his life....and that in no way, abolished them, but rather he showed us the way to eternal life if we do as he did.
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The law is very simple and defined by the first two commandments: love God with your whole heart, mind and soul.......and: love all creation as yourself. As Yeshua said, all other commandments hung on these two laws. It was the pharisees that made things too complicated for people to realistically follow. Anyway, Yeshua fulfilled the two great commandments by his life....and that in no way, abolished them, but rather he showed us the way to eternal life if we do as he did.
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Yeah, and the first four Commandments are about loving God, and the next six are about loving your neighbor.

The Ten Commandments can be broken down into two.
"For the Lord God shall not do anything, unless first he tell his secret, or his private plans to his servants, the prophets."
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Why would Jesus abolish the Law that is the entire point of contention in the great controversy between God and satan? And one He Himself kept? Lol. The reason why Jesus had to die in the first place was because even He, the Lord of the Sabbath, is not above the Law because the Law is as sacred as God Himself.

The Law called for a perfect life, one, as sinners, we are not capable of providing on our own.

Satan tried to overthrow God's Law in Heaven, that's why he was banished in the first place; so he took his war against God's Law with him to earth, where the battle is fought within each individual.

It's pretty clear:

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. 18For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.…"

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To be quite blunt, anyone who believes that Jesus abolished the Ten Commandments of God is illogical and perhaps evil.
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asking gotquestions.wtvr about the bible is like asking snopes about politics.


Jesus fulfilled the sacrifical law. The feasts, festivals and sacrifices were all symbolic prophecies of Him.

Jesus fulfilled them.

Jesus at the same time obeyed the Law of God.

2 laws.

1 fulfilled, 1 obeyed.


The 10 commandments are still binding. Including the 7th day sabbath of the 4th commandment.


*if not, then there is no sin. Seeing as the bible sais sin is "transgression of the Law"
 Quoting: Itiswhatitisheh


Christ is the end of the law to all who believe
He destroyed sin death and hell
By grace through faith in jesus christ the son of God we are saved
Not by our own effort works goodness prayers service etc etc
But entirely saved By God through Jesus his Son.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73418210


if there is no law, there is no sin.

so saved from what?
 Quoting: Itiswhatitisheh



But there is still law. The law is for those who do not have Jesus. Jesus is the one who takes the sins away. If you don't have Jesus you are still governed under the law and not Grace.
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asking gotquestions.wtvr about the bible is like asking snopes about politics.


Jesus fulfilled the sacrifical law. The feasts, festivals and sacrifices were all symbolic prophecies of Him.

Jesus fulfilled them.

Jesus at the same time obeyed the Law of God.

2 laws.

1 fulfilled, 1 obeyed.


The 10 commandments are still binding. Including the 7th day sabbath of the 4th commandment.


*if not, then there is no sin. Seeing as the bible sais sin is "transgression of the Law"
 Quoting: Itiswhatitisheh


Christ is the end of the law to all who believe
He destroyed sin death and hell
By grace through faith in jesus christ the son of God we are saved
Not by our own effort works goodness prayers service etc etc
But entirely saved By God through Jesus his Son.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73418210


if there is no law, there is no sin.

so saved from what?
 Quoting: Itiswhatitisheh



But there is still law. The law is for those who do not have Jesus. Jesus is the one who takes the sins away. If you don't have Jesus you are still governed under the law and not Grace.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73773522


So if you have Jesus your saying you dont have to follow the 10 commandments?
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Christ is the end of the law to all who believe
He destroyed sin death and hell
By grace through faith in jesus christ the son of God we are saved
Not by our own effort works goodness prayers service etc etc
But entirely saved By God through Jesus his Son.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73418210


if there is no law, there is no sin.

so saved from what?
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But there is still law. The law is for those who do not have Jesus. Jesus is the one who takes the sins away. If you don't have Jesus you are still governed under the law and not Grace.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73773522


So if you have Jesus your saying you dont have to follow the 10 commandments?
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NO. If you have Jesus "you want to" follow the law. Even though we fail at following the law, it is in our hearts to love our Lord and our fellow man. It's a new heart when you follow Jesus. We stride to do the best we can even though we fail at every opportunity, through Him with Him and in Him we succeed.
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if there is no law, there is no sin.

so saved from what?
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But there is still law. The law is for those who do not have Jesus. Jesus is the one who takes the sins away. If you don't have Jesus you are still governed under the law and not Grace.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73773522


So if you have Jesus your saying you dont have to follow the 10 commandments?
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NO. If you have Jesus "you want to" follow the law. Even though we fail at following the law, it is in our hearts to love our Lord and our fellow man. It's a new heart when you follow Jesus. We stride to do the best we can even though we fail at every opportunity, through Him with Him and in Him we succeed.
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So if we have Jesus, we "want" to follow the law.

So the law is still there even for us right?

We are still to keep the 10 commandments?
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Question: "What does it mean that Jesus fulfilled the law, but did not abolish it?"

Answer: In Matthew’s record of what is commonly called the Sermon on the Mount, these words of Jesus are recorded: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished” (Matthew 5:17-18).

It is frequently argued that if Jesus did not “abolish” the law, then it must still be binding. Accordingly, such components as the Sabbath-day requirement must be operative still, along with perhaps numerous other elements of the Mosaic Law. This assumption is grounded in a misunderstanding of the words and intent of this passage. Christ did not suggest here that the binding nature of the law of Moses would remain forever in effect. Such a view would contradict everything we learn from the balance of the New Testament (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:23-25; Ephesians 2:15).

Of special significance in this study is the word rendered “abolish.” It translates the Greek term kataluo, literally meaning “to loosen down.” The word is found seventeen times in the New Testament. It is used, for example, of the destruction of the Jewish temple by the Romans (Matthew 26:61; 27:40; Acts 6:14), and of the dissolving of the human body at death (2 Corinthians 5:1). The term can carry the extended meaning of “to overthrow,” i.e., “to render vain, deprive of success.” In classical Greek, it was used in connection with institutions, laws, etc., to convey the idea of “to invalidate.”

It is especially important to note how the word is used in Matthew 5:17. In this context, “abolish” is set in opposition to “fulfill.” Christ came “...not to abolish, but to fulfill.” Jesus did not come to this earth for the purpose of acting as an opponent of the law. His goal was not to prevent its fulfillment. Rather, He revered it, loved it, obeyed it, and brought it to fruition. He fulfilled the law’s prophetic utterances regarding Himself (Luke 24:44). Christ fulfilled the demands of the Mosaic law, which called for perfect obedience under threat of a “curse” (see Galatians 3:10, 13). In this sense, the law’s divine design will ever have an abiding effect. It will always accomplish the purpose for which it was given.

If, however, the law of Moses bears the same relationship to men today, in terms of its binding status, then it was not fulfilled, and Jesus failed at what He came to do. On the other hand, if the Lord did accomplish His goal, then the law was fulfilled, and it is not a binding legal institution today. Further, if the law of Moses was not fulfilled by Christ—and thus remains as a binding legal system for today—then it is not just partially binding. Rather, it is a totally compelling system. Jesus plainly said that not one “jot or tittle” (representative of the smallest markings of the Hebrew script) would pass away until all was fulfilled. Consequently, nothing of the law was to fail until it had completely accomplished its purpose. Jesus fulfilled the law. Jesus fulfilled all of the law. We cannot say that Jesus fulfilled the sacrificial system, but did not fulfill the other aspects of the law. Jesus either fulfilled all of the law, or none of it. What Jesus' death means for the sacrificial system, it also means for the other aspects of the law.

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Paul gave us the answer....

Bumblebees, Meakness, charity, patience, compassion, grace, sympathy, calmness, truth, and Sacrifice...of which the LAW has no power.

I ask you...how do you do evil doing the above things? So the law is automatically upheld by putting faith in Jesus to follow him in his works regarding spirituAl feelings.

Law works punishment which works fear.

God had to remove fear from us so we could perfect the love for him. The only way to remove that fear was to remove God's punishment and so he did. And since there is no punishment then there is no law to break. But we are left free to choose the good works in Jesus by choice in believing he has it right when it comes to perfect love, peace, and eternal life.

So we practice and pray to be perfect even as the Fsther in heaven is perfect. And while we seek to perfect our loving spirits to uphold the law without effort then we know if we slip up then there is no punishment from God because we are under faith.

We always strive to eliminate sin and to perfect our spirits. To continue in sin is death. And a second death.

Now having said that. I dont want to be a hypocrite. I am giving up. I am not wanted by God. I sought him for these answers and now I have given them to you to do what you want.

But as for me I quit. Been there done that and tried it.

I think God has a special kind of hate for me.
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But there is still law. The law is for those who do not have Jesus. Jesus is the one who takes the sins away. If you don't have Jesus you are still governed under the law and not Grace.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73773522


So if you have Jesus your saying you dont have to follow the 10 commandments?
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NO. If you have Jesus "you want to" follow the law. Even though we fail at following the law, it is in our hearts to love our Lord and our fellow man. It's a new heart when you follow Jesus. We stride to do the best we can even though we fail at every opportunity, through Him with Him and in Him we succeed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73773522


So if we have Jesus, we "want" to follow the law.

So the law is still there even for us right?

We are still to keep the 10 commandments?
 Quoting: Itiswhatitisheh



Yes, God wanted us to live the 500+ commandments and He knew we couldn't, that is the purpose of the "law", and that is why He came in the flesh to fulfill it Himself.....
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Question: "What does it mean that Jesus fulfilled the law, but did not abolish it?"

Answer: In Matthew’s record of what is commonly called the Sermon on the Mount, these words of Jesus are recorded: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished” (Matthew 5:17-18).

It is frequently argued that if Jesus did not “abolish” the law, then it must still be binding. Accordingly, such components as the Sabbath-day requirement must be operative still, along with perhaps numerous other elements of the Mosaic Law. This assumption is grounded in a misunderstanding of the words and intent of this passage. Christ did not suggest here that the binding nature of the law of Moses would remain forever in effect. Such a view would contradict everything we learn from the balance of the New Testament (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:23-25; Ephesians 2:15).

Of special significance in this study is the word rendered “abolish.” It translates the Greek term kataluo, literally meaning “to loosen down.” The word is found seventeen times in the New Testament. It is used, for example, of the destruction of the Jewish temple by the Romans (Matthew 26:61; 27:40; Acts 6:14), and of the dissolving of the human body at death (2 Corinthians 5:1). The term can carry the extended meaning of “to overthrow,” i.e., “to render vain, deprive of success.” In classical Greek, it was used in connection with institutions, laws, etc., to convey the idea of “to invalidate.”

It is especially important to note how the word is used in Matthew 5:17. In this context, “abolish” is set in opposition to “fulfill.” Christ came “...not to abolish, but to fulfill.” Jesus did not come to this earth for the purpose of acting as an opponent of the law. His goal was not to prevent its fulfillment. Rather, He revered it, loved it, obeyed it, and brought it to fruition. He fulfilled the law’s prophetic utterances regarding Himself (Luke 24:44). Christ fulfilled the demands of the Mosaic law, which called for perfect obedience under threat of a “curse” (see Galatians 3:10, 13). In this sense, the law’s divine design will ever have an abiding effect. It will always accomplish the purpose for which it was given.

If, however, the law of Moses bears the same relationship to men today, in terms of its binding status, then it was not fulfilled, and Jesus failed at what He came to do. On the other hand, if the Lord did accomplish His goal, then the law was fulfilled, and it is not a binding legal institution today. Further, if the law of Moses was not fulfilled by Christ—and thus remains as a binding legal system for today—then it is not just partially binding. Rather, it is a totally compelling system. Jesus plainly said that not one “jot or tittle” (representative of the smallest markings of the Hebrew script) would pass away until all was fulfilled. Consequently, nothing of the law was to fail until it had completely accomplished its purpose. Jesus fulfilled the law. Jesus fulfilled all of the law. We cannot say that Jesus fulfilled the sacrificial system, but did not fulfill the other aspects of the law. Jesus either fulfilled all of the law, or none of it. What Jesus' death means for the sacrificial system, it also means for the other aspects of the law.

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"If, however, the law of Moses bears the same relationship to men today, in terms of its binding status, then it was not fulfilled, and Jesus failed at what He came to do."

or

"if the law of Moses was not fulfilled by Christ—and thus remains as a binding legal system for today—then it is not just partially binding."

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The 'Good News' is about how mankind's disconnection from God can be reestablished thru that one man Jesus Christ and His Way. We fell from grace through Adam and we arise through Jesus Christ.

The Good News is about 'The Way' of Jesus Christ or how to live here now and how to get ready for life there later.

The Good Lord Jesus Christ's works as witnessed, are 4 books out of 66 that make up the modern Bible. Those 4 books only 120 pages in length are titled Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. They are also called the Gospel of Jesus Christ, 'The Truth' or 'The Good News' aka "The Owner's Manual" to these Flesh Suits we drive until we leave them for home by God's Grace via Jesus Christ's sacrifice.

Jesus Christ's philosophy or Way was handed to him from his
Father, our Father....the God of All Creations. It is a philosophy of grace...it is not a performance based philosophy....you can do nothing but accept it as a gift of God's grace.

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The Lord desires to develop a personal relationship as a parent to child, brother to brother and brother to sister with us.

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Re: What does it mean that Jesus fulfilled the law but did not abolish it.
Question: "What does it mean that Jesus fulfilled the law, but did not abolish it?"

Answer: In Matthew’s record of what is commonly called the Sermon on the Mount, these words of Jesus are recorded: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished” (Matthew 5:17-18).

It is frequently argued that if Jesus did not “abolish” the law, then it must still be binding. Accordingly, such components as the Sabbath-day requirement must be operative still, along with perhaps numerous other elements of the Mosaic Law. This assumption is grounded in a misunderstanding of the words and intent of this passage. Christ did not suggest here that the binding nature of the law of Moses would remain forever in effect. Such a view would contradict everything we learn from the balance of the New Testament (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:23-25; Ephesians 2:15).

Of special significance in this study is the word rendered “abolish.” It translates the Greek term kataluo, literally meaning “to loosen down.” The word is found seventeen times in the New Testament. It is used, for example, of the destruction of the Jewish temple by the Romans (Matthew 26:61; 27:40; Acts 6:14), and of the dissolving of the human body at death (2 Corinthians 5:1). The term can carry the extended meaning of “to overthrow,” i.e., “to render vain, deprive of success.” In classical Greek, it was used in connection with institutions, laws, etc., to convey the idea of “to invalidate.”

It is especially important to note how the word is used in Matthew 5:17. In this context, “abolish” is set in opposition to “fulfill.” Christ came “...not to abolish, but to fulfill.” Jesus did not come to this earth for the purpose of acting as an opponent of the law. His goal was not to prevent its fulfillment. Rather, He revered it, loved it, obeyed it, and brought it to fruition. He fulfilled the law’s prophetic utterances regarding Himself (Luke 24:44). Christ fulfilled the demands of the Mosaic law, which called for perfect obedience under threat of a “curse” (see Galatians 3:10, 13). In this sense, the law’s divine design will ever have an abiding effect. It will always accomplish the purpose for which it was given.

If, however, the law of Moses bears the same relationship to men today, in terms of its binding status, then it was not fulfilled, and Jesus failed at what He came to do. On the other hand, if the Lord did accomplish His goal, then the law was fulfilled, and it is not a binding legal institution today. Further, if the law of Moses was not fulfilled by Christ—and thus remains as a binding legal system for today—then it is not just partially binding. Rather, it is a totally compelling system. Jesus plainly said that not one “jot or tittle” (representative of the smallest markings of the Hebrew script) would pass away until all was fulfilled. Consequently, nothing of the law was to fail until it had completely accomplished its purpose. Jesus fulfilled the law. Jesus fulfilled all of the law. We cannot say that Jesus fulfilled the sacrificial system, but did not fulfill the other aspects of the law. Jesus either fulfilled all of the law, or none of it. What Jesus' death means for the sacrificial system, it also means for the other aspects of the law.

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Paul gave us the answer....

Bumblebees, Meakness, charity, patience, compassion, grace, sympathy, calmness, truth, and Sacrifice...of which the LAW has no power.

I ask you...how do you do evil doing the above things? So the law is automatically upheld by putting faith in Jesus to follow him in his works regarding spirituAl feelings.

Law works punishment which works fear.

God had to remove fear from us so we could perfect the love for him. The only way to remove that fear was to remove God's punishment and so he did. And since there is no punishment then there is no law to break. But we are left free to choose the good works in Jesus by choice in believing he has it right when it comes to perfect love, peace, and eternal life.

So we practice and pray to be perfect even as the Fsther in heaven is perfect. And while we seek to perfect our loving spirits to uphold the law without effort then we know if we slip up then there is no punishment from God because we are under faith.

We always strive to eliminate sin and to perfect our spirits. To continue in sin is death. And a second death.

Now having said that. I dont want to be a hypocrite. I am giving up. I am not wanted by God. I sought him for these answers and now I have given them to you to do what you want.

But as for me I quit. Been there done that and tried it.

I think God has a special kind of hate for me.
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Or a special kind of love for you brother!!

Don't give up friend, I will pray God grants you peace !!
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So if you have Jesus your saying you dont have to follow the 10 commandments?
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NO. If you have Jesus "you want to" follow the law. Even though we fail at following the law, it is in our hearts to love our Lord and our fellow man. It's a new heart when you follow Jesus. We stride to do the best we can even though we fail at every opportunity, through Him with Him and in Him we succeed.
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So if we have Jesus, we "want" to follow the law.

So the law is still there even for us right?

We are still to keep the 10 commandments?
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Yes, God wanted us to live the 500+ commandments and He knew we couldn't, that is the purpose of the "law", and that is why He came in the flesh to fulfill it Himself.....
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God sent his only begotten son Jesus Christ to die for us.
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Re: What does it mean that Jesus fulfilled the law but did not abolish it.
depends on who you ask..the roman cult and those that wish to slide by under their wing of lies will say his sacrifice fulfilled the law because our sins owed penance and he gave it for us and two that he sanctioned mortal rule by submitting to their condemnation...the first half is correct, somewhat..the second is drivel, he let evil win because that was simply the tool chosen by god at that time to make it happen, why stain the righteous or innocents hands with blood?... I say that the standards they claim jesus set were always there in the old testament and never followed, that's what he corrected..sins are sins just not everyone has the right to judge them
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NO. If you have Jesus "you want to" follow the law. Even though we fail at following the law, it is in our hearts to love our Lord and our fellow man. It's a new heart when you follow Jesus. We stride to do the best we can even though we fail at every opportunity, through Him with Him and in Him we succeed.
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So if we have Jesus, we "want" to follow the law.

So the law is still there even for us right?

We are still to keep the 10 commandments?
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Yes, God wanted us to live the 500+ commandments and He knew we couldn't, that is the purpose of the "law", and that is why He came in the flesh to fulfill it Himself.....
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God sent his only begotten son Jesus Christ to die for us.
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God the Father God the Son and God the Holy Spirit....
They/He knew before the beginning of time who and when and how and why and what we would choose to do. At that exact moment in time, we would choose Him and believe upon His Son and have the Holy Spirit live in us. Until His return, we abide in Him as He in us.

Trust Him with all of your heart and lean not on your own understanding but in all your ways acknowledge Him and He will make smooth your path
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At that time Jesus said, "Father, Lord of heaven and earth! I thank you because you have shown to the unlearned what you have hidden from the wise and learned.

Yes, Father, this was how you were pleased to have it happen.

"My Father has given me all things. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him. "Come to me, all of you who are tired from carrying heavy loads, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke and put it on you, and learn from me, because I am gentle and humble in spirit; and you will find rest. For the yoke I will give you is easy, and the load I will put on you is light."
(Matthew 11:25-30)





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