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'Gathering of Eagles'
to protect Vietnam Veterans Wall

By C.J. Raven
U.S. Veteran Dispatch
February 07, 2007


Leftist activists who march to the Pentagon next month will discover that their path won't be as clear as it has been in the past.

The group, led by Cindy Sheehan, Jane Fonda, Ramsey Clark and their ilk, plan to gather March 17 at the Vietnam Memorial Wall to begin a march to protest America's involvement in the Iraq war. The date marks the fourth anniversary of the war's beginning.

This time, however, protestors will see objectors if they spit on Iraqi veterans again, or throw paint on a war memorial. This time, they will encounter a buzz saw of Vietnam veterans and supporters who will gather to protect the Wall, and show their support for U.S. troops. The counter-protestors are calling themselves the Gathering of Eagles.

"… An eagle knows when a storm is approaching long before it breaks. The eagle will fly to some high spot and wait for the winds to come. When the storm hits, it sets its wings so that the wind will pick it up and lift it above the storm. While the storm rages below, the eagle is soaring above it."

An unknown author wrote that description, but it describes how the veterans see their mission. They are angry that the Wall is being used as a jumping off point for a political protest and they are gathering to protect it from another storm of anti-war activists.

"The anti-war/anti-America group cannot be allowed to use the Vietnam Memorial Wall as a back-drop to their anti-America venom and stain the hallowed ground that virtually cries out with blood at the thought of this proposed desecration ... it must not happen," said veteran Bud Gross. "… All Americans are invited to support our effort, which is intended as a defender of hallowed ground and intended as a non-violent competition between those that would sell out America and those of us who support freedom and keeping the fight with the enemy on distant shores."
The group defending the Wall will be wearing armbands to identify themselves. Those who are unable to stand with the defenders are being asked to wear armbands with small U.S. flags to show their own communities that they abhor the Fonda-Sheehan tactics.

"We'll be there to act as a countervailing force against the Cindy Sheehan-Jane Fonda march from the Vietnam Memorial to the Pentagon," retired Navy Capt. Larry Bailey said. "We will protect the Vietnam Memorial. If they try to deface it, there will be some violence, I guarantee you."

Bailey and thousands of his fellow Vietnam vets are worried that the anti-war protesters will damage the wall, just as they spray-painted the steps of the Capitol at their last march.

The wall is sacred to the men and women who fought in that war.

"It is our contact with our dead brothers -- those who lost their lives in the cause of their country," Bailey said.

And so it is that Washington will see a Gathering of Eagles - Americans determined to stand up against leftist propagandists who denigrate U.S. troops and the mission for which they sometimes sacrifice their lives.

Retired Col. Harry Riley organized the Gathering of Eagles. Organizers hope thousands will show up in Washington from as far away as Hawaii, and they won't only be Vietnam veterans. Families, friends and veterans of other wars, including Iraq, and soldiers still on active duty, will be there to defend the Wall.

"When we say a gathering of eagles, that signifies people who support the American way," Bailey said.

The leftist Web site MarchonPentagon.org describes the anti-war demonstrators this way: "The March on the Pentagon has already attracted more than 1,500 endorsers, including prominent individuals and national and grassroots organizations. Students on college campuses and in high schools will be attending in large numbers. There will be a large turnout from the Muslim and Arab American community, which is organizing throughout the country."

The movement is well-financed. Its sponsor list is lengthy and contains highly recognizable names, as well as those of Fonda and Sheehan:
· Former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark (who offered his services to defend Saddam Hussein)
· Ultra-liberal Congresswoman Maxine Waters
· Former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney
· Ron Kovic, Vietnam veteran and author of "Born on the 4th of July"
· Mahdi Bray, executive director, Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation
· Waleed Bader, vice chair of the National Council of Arab Americans and former president of Arab Muslim American Federation
· Medea Benjamin, co-founder, CODEPINK and Global Exchange
· Free Palestine Alliance
· Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation
· Islamic Political Party of America
· FMLN (Farabundo Marti National Liberation Front)
· Islamic-National Congress
· Gay Liberation Network
· Muslim Student Association
· Jibril Hough, chairman, Islamic Political Party of America

Retired Air Force Col. Smitty Harris, a former Vietnam POW, doesn't believe Fonda's protests carry the weight they once did. Harris says Fonda's actions at the march last month were "anti-American," just as they were in the 1970s, and won't have much effect on public opinion.

"It was big news during the Vietnam era when they had these marches ... because people didn't have all the alternative ways of finding out what is true and what's not," he recently told Agape Press. "So I don't think it's going to have a big effect." In fact, he says, it could even be counterproductive.

Today, Harris points out, Americans have talk radio and media outlets like the Fox News Channel to hear the voices of those who do not agree with Jane Fonda's point of view.


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"… An eagle knows when a storm is approaching long before it breaks. The eagle will fly to some high spot and wait for the winds to come. When the storm hits, it sets its wings so that the wind will pick it up and lift it above the storm. While the storm rages below, the eagle is soaring above it."

An unknown author wrote that description,
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The author was quite probably an Indian reminiscing of good times past.
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THANKS PAC....

Starting next week and all week long they have that Encampment on the lawn to protest the war....

I didn't think they would stoop so low to trash the wall..
I did hear about the capitol steps being spry painted by some hooligans.....
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More than a little paranoid for this group to assume or even fear that the protestors will try to harm the memorial in any way.

It makes perfect sense for the site to be used as a jumping-off point for their march. Aren't the Iraqi "war" dead equally deserving of such homage--in the form of an equally enduring commemmoration--to their ultimate sacrifice? Hopefully today's fallen soldiers will be similarly honored in the near future.
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I'd be more impressed if these people got off their patriotic asses and DEFENDED THE CONSTITUTION as they have sworn to do. The still living are letting down the memory and honor of those who paid the ultimate price. The living are willing to stand up and fight spray paint, but they are terrified to stand up and fight the New World Order.
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As if Vietnam vets were truly looked after by their own kind!

Pot to kettle: you are black...
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well, aside from the fact they consistently associate anti-war people with anti-america people...

the fact that they openly endorsed violent tactics in response to non-violence as shitty as it may be, they could be construed as criminals if not even domestic terrorists..
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"This time, however, protestors will see objectors if they spit on Iraqi veterans again, or throw paint on a war memorial. "

WTF!! When the fuck did that ever happen?
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PACNWguy, you nauseate in a way usually associated with the forced observation of cow semen drinking, child defenestration and FOX News programming.

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I suffered defenstration as a child numerous times but all I got was cuts and bruises!
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Heil Hitler!!
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"retired Navy Capt. Larry Bailey said. "We will protect the Vietnam Memorial. If they try to deface it, there will be some violence, I guarantee you."

advocating violence?

a non-issue as no one has defaced the memorial wall. why plan on violence?

vets willing to fight vets? strange indeed.

PACNWguy, thank you for reminding people about the march and anti-war protest the 17th.
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I heard the Vietnam war somehow made way for the laundering of money from the sales of opium.. and this money went to .. fund area 51 tomato
serious though.. i heard this guy talk about it on a video.. he looked like he was 65 or something.

His name was Gordon.
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Have you noticed....

I don't think PACNWguy is actually a believer in the things he brings up. I think he is, rather than the "shill" he is often called, rather a "foil".

That is, he trumpets ideas SO OBVIOUSLY wrong, so often, using slanderous and abusive words to get people to see that his "ideas" are only the ideas of a lunatic fringe.

He is not the only one doing this, but is perhaps the loudest voice here doing this work.

Why do I think this? Is it just because I disagree with much of what he says? No.

I say this, because no sane person would actually take the time to present information to people, and then drive them all away by being abusive.

He is not trying to bully you into thinking as he does, as we ALL KNOW that you can't do that...

So this leaves that he is instead a fairly intelligent person using an aggressive avatar and screen personality to actually drive you away from his "position".

So what does he do here?

Well, he gets you to think about things like the above article.

It is clear that most anti-war protesters have NOT been harming, spitting on or otherwise demeaning veterans. Nor do they say anything about the troops except "Let's support them by bringing them home." Hardy an anti-soldier slur....

So his point MUST be that it is ludacris for these former warriors to face of with old hippies and soccer Moms.

He gave us all a chance to think about this, to study it, BEFORE it takes place.

I hope I am not giving away your secrets here PACNWguy, but I think a small number of people are taking personal venom out on you, when you are only trying to help them see the real evil of the world, by acting as a character OF that evil!

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The main victim of this abusive spitting turns out to secretly be Rod Majors, star of gay porn blockbusters JAWBREAKER and GLORY HOLE III.
As usual, the credibility of you warmongers is really awesome.
Why didn't you mention this in the title of your thread?
The title of your thread should have been something like:
A "Gathering of Eagles" to protect Star of gay porn Masterpieces GLORY HOLE III and JAWBREAKERS from Anti War protesters.
HUH? HUH?
Also I've got to point out that "Gathering of Eagles" sounds like the title to more gay porno.
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Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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Better'n that, why not all those vets go on over to Iraq to fight for Israel, uh, truth, justice and the Murkan way?

I can tell you, Zionist cannonfodder's always appreciated.
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'Gathering of Eagles'
to protect Vietnam Veterans Wall

By C.J. Raven
U.S. Veteran Dispatch
February 07, 2007


Leftist activists who march to the Pentagon next month will discover that their path won't be as clear as it has been in the past.

The group, led by Cindy Sheehan, Jane Fonda, Ramsey Clark and their ilk, plan to gather March 17 at the Vietnam Memorial Wall to begin a march to protest America's involvement in the Iraq war. The date marks the fourth anniversary of the war's beginning.

This time, however, protestors will see objectors if they spit on Iraqi veterans again, or throw paint on a war memorial. This time, they will encounter a buzz saw of Vietnam veterans and supporters who will gather to protect the Wall, and show their support for U.S. troops. The counter-protestors are calling themselves the Gathering of Eagles.

"… An eagle knows when a storm is approaching long before it breaks. The eagle will fly to some high spot and wait for the winds to come. When the storm hits, it sets its wings so that the wind will pick it up and lift it above the storm. While the storm rages below, the eagle is soaring above it."

An unknown author wrote that description, but it describes how the veterans see their mission. They are angry that the Wall is being used as a jumping off point for a political protest and they are gathering to protect it from another storm of anti-war activists.

"The anti-war/anti-America group cannot be allowed to use the Vietnam Memorial Wall as a back-drop to their anti-America venom and stain the hallowed ground that virtually cries out with blood at the thought of this proposed desecration ... it must not happen," said veteran Bud Gross. "… All Americans are invited to support our effort, which is intended as a defender of hallowed ground and intended as a non-violent competition between those that would sell out America and those of us who support freedom and keeping the fight with the enemy on distant shores."
The group defending the Wall will be wearing armbands to identify themselves. Those who are unable to stand with the defenders are being asked to wear armbands with small U.S. flags to show their own communities that they abhor the Fonda-Sheehan tactics.

"We'll be there to act as a countervailing force against the Cindy Sheehan-Jane Fonda march from the Vietnam Memorial to the Pentagon," retired Navy Capt. Larry Bailey said. "We will protect the Vietnam Memorial. If they try to deface it, there will be some violence, I guarantee you."

Bailey and thousands of his fellow Vietnam vets are worried that the anti-war protesters will damage the wall, just as they spray-painted the steps of the Capitol at their last march.

The wall is sacred to the men and women who fought in that war.

"It is our contact with our dead brothers -- those who lost their lives in the cause of their country," Bailey said.

And so it is that Washington will see a Gathering of Eagles - Americans determined to stand up against leftist propagandists who denigrate U.S. troops and the mission for which they sometimes sacrifice their lives.

Retired Col. Harry Riley organized the Gathering of Eagles. Organizers hope thousands will show up in Washington from as far away as Hawaii, and they won't only be Vietnam veterans. Families, friends and veterans of other wars, including Iraq, and soldiers still on active duty, will be there to defend the Wall.

"When we say a gathering of eagles, that signifies people who support the American way," Bailey said.

The leftist Web site MarchonPentagon.org describes the anti-war demonstrators this way: "The March on the Pentagon has already attracted more than 1,500 endorsers, including prominent individuals and national and grassroots organizations. Students on college campuses and in high schools will be attending in large numbers. There will be a large turnout from the Muslim and Arab American community, which is organizing throughout the country."

The movement is well-financed. Its sponsor list is lengthy and contains highly recognizable names, as well as those of Fonda and Sheehan:
· Former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark (who offered his services to defend Saddam Hussein)
· Ultra-liberal Congresswoman Maxine Waters
· Former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney
· Ron Kovic, Vietnam veteran and author of "Born on the 4th of July"
· Mahdi Bray, executive director, Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation
· Waleed Bader, vice chair of the National Council of Arab Americans and former president of Arab Muslim American Federation
· Medea Benjamin, co-founder, CODEPINK and Global Exchange
· Free Palestine Alliance
· Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation
· Islamic Political Party of America
· FMLN (Farabundo Marti National Liberation Front)
· Islamic-National Congress
· Gay Liberation Network
· Muslim Student Association
· Jibril Hough, chairman, Islamic Political Party of America

Retired Air Force Col. Smitty Harris, a former Vietnam POW, doesn't believe Fonda's protests carry the weight they once did. Harris says Fonda's actions at the march last month were "anti-American," just as they were in the 1970s, and won't have much effect on public opinion.

"It was big news during the Vietnam era when they had these marches ... because people didn't have all the alternative ways of finding out what is true and what's not," he recently told Agape Press. "So I don't think it's going to have a big effect." In fact, he says, it could even be counterproductive.

Today, Harris points out, Americans have talk radio and media outlets like the Fox News Channel to hear the voices of those who do not agree with Jane Fonda's point of view.


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well of course they'll be there, packster. all those homeless vets got no where else to go

hey, did you tell your army buddies yet that the insurgency in iraq is country-wide, that it's american-paid iraq police doing the kidnapping and hostage-taking?
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I wonder if all these sharp eyed eagles will see the irony in supporting a bunch of war mongering scumbags who did everything they possibly could to get out of serving in Vietnam.

George Bush - AWOL

Dick Cheney - 5 deferment draft dodger

The Neo-con Gang - did ANY of these douchebags ever serve the military? (Any military, American OR Israeli)

And of course, the PNAC Boy.

When are you going to sign up, PNAC Boy?
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PACNWGUY will be there, but he will just be scratching his balls.

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were bring condoms filled with paint.

and others in the distance will have nuts and bolts.

so you pro fuckers watch out.
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the walls getting trashed!
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the walls getting trashed!
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I hope someone bashes in your skull.
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more like a gathering of retards
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As a "Screaming Eagle" (Vietnam Vet who served in the 101st Airborne), I am totally opposed to the war in Iraq, and do not want some misguided group attempting to make political fodder out of this. I count OP (PACNWGUY) as one of the misguided group. Let the protesters march. Let them take over Washington. Let them run the current administration out of the city ... they (the Bushies) are the ones who have desecrated the memorial.
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ROFL!!! I love the responses this thread provokes.
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the walls getting trashed!

I hope someone bashes in your skull.
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a gathering of pigeons is more like it!
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If any of you anti war pukes are at the Viet Nam memoral tomorrow with your little cans of spray paint and a peace sticker....go see these guys. They want to meet you.

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So a bunch of losers will protect a peace of rock? That's great.
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It wouldn't surprise me if the Jane Fonda protesters did something vile at the wall. They were vile to the ones who returned and do not honor those who didn't.

She, and most of them there, are just reliving what they think of as their glory days.

They can protest all they want but that wall means something very special to those of us who lost a loved one there and would not take it well if they defiled it in any way.





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