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Legal expert: President Bush may have ordered torture of terror suspects

 
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Legal expert: President Bush may have ordered torture of terror suspects
David Edwards and Andrew Bielak
Published: Saturday March 10, 2007

The US government began hearings on Friday to determine if 14 accused terrorists currently being held at Guantanamo Bay can be deemed enemy combatants. The hearings, which have been closed to independent observers, are receiving heavy criticism for their secretive nature and what some are calling pre-determined outcomes.

"The administration has been almost pathological in trying to find ways to keep these people from ever seeing a real judge or a real lawyer," John Turley, a law professor at George Washington University, told the Associated Press, "and the reasons are obvious."

Turley, among many legal analysts, believes that the likelihood that torture tactics were used on the detainees has heightened the administration's state of secrecy for fear of public retribution. The law professor also suggested that President Bush not only knew about the torture program but may have ordered it.

"It seems pretty clear that they've been tortured," Turley told the AP, "and that the president knew they were being tortured, and may have even ordered their torture through techniques like water boarding."

Last September, CIA sources told ABC News that the harshest, technique they were authorized to use on "high-value detainees, such as the 9/11 attacks architect Khalid Sheikh Mohamed...was called 'water boarding,' in which a prisoner's face was covered with cellophane, and water is poured over it (pictured above) -- meant to trigger an unbearable gag reflex."

Brian Ross and Richard Esposito reported for ABC's The Blotter that "new rules issued by the Pentagon today prohibit water boarding, though there was no clear acknowledgement that it was permitted previously," and that "CIA officers told ABC News that 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed lasted the longest under water boarding, two and a half minutes, before beginning to talk."

"It seems likely now that the president may have not only known about the torture program, but may have ordered it," Turley told the AP. "That would be truly otherwordly, where the United States could be accused of running a torture program."

The list of detainees has a number of high-profile suspects, including Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the September 11 attacks, and former al-Qaeda military chief Abu Zubaydah.

Having been held in a secret CIA detention facility until recently, the 14 detainees were moved to Guantanamo Bay by President Bush in September after knowledge of the CIA's "black sites" became public.

[link to rawstory.com]
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Re: Legal expert: President Bush may have ordered torture of terror suspects
ever seen the movie hostel?

ill bet the rich boys were torturing and enjoying it with all of their friends watching.
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03/11/2007 05:11 PM
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Re: Legal expert: President Bush may have ordered torture of terror suspects
Water boarding cannot be described as torture. Liberals think that anything less than a 5-Star resort atmosphere with maid service and free champagne, is "torture" for terror detainees.

Torture would be stabbing their eyes with forks, and tearing them from their sockets.

Grasp the difference ?

That said, as much as I despise ANY torture ANYWHERE in the world, if a terrorist has information that millions of U.S. citizens will be murdered, and refuses to tell when, where or how, we have a DUTY to do whatever is necessary to prevent those murders.

In short, a terrorist does NOT deserve protection from torture.

Radical Islam has declared WAR on Americans, and only liberals refuse to acknowledge it.
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Water boarding cannot be described as torture. Liberals think that anything less than a 5-Star resort atmosphere with maid service and free champagne, is "torture" for terror detainees.

Torture would be stabbing their eyes with forks, and tearing them from their sockets.

Grasp the difference ?

That said, as much as I despise ANY torture ANYWHERE in the world, if a terrorist has information that millions of U.S. citizens will be murdered, and refuses to tell when, where or how, we have a DUTY to do whatever is necessary to prevent those murders.

In short, a terrorist does NOT deserve protection from torture.

Radical Islam has declared WAR on Americans, and only liberals refuse to acknowledge it.
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So water boarding your wife, sons, daughters, mother and father, grandmother and grandfather would not be torture?

The people picked up on the street have no fucking information that is useful, and only some kind of fanatic would believe that they do. Tortured people will tell you ANYTHING to get the pain to stop. They might not be terrorists, they might be patriots fighting against an invading enemy.

Let me make this plain. We have no business in Iraq.
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That said, as much as I despise ANY torture ANYWHERE in the world, if a terrorist has information that millions of U.S. citizens will be murdered, and refuses to tell when, where or how, we have a DUTY to do whatever is necessary to prevent those murders.


That's a strawman argument, and will NEVERFUCKINGHAPPEN in real life. There is NO justification for turture, and was outlawed by the Geneva Conventions.
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torture by destroying organs ie heart arteries liver

they have destroyed mine and i'm no terrorist

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