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Gun control works. All the western countries that have gun control have lower murder rates

 
s. d. butler

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laugh

It isn't about "feel" safer, it is safer.

while I appreciate your post, you should stay away from things you know nothing about.
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Well, tell me where I'm wrong. If someone pulls a knife on me (or any other non-firearm), they have to get in range to use it on me, and even then I have a chance of disarming the assailant, dodging weapon, or running for safety.

If assailant has firearm, he can brandish it from afar and instantly kill me. So, I have no chance of disarming him, and I have no real chance of running for safety because I can't outrun a bullet.
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Sorry, my British cousin, I don't have the inclination or time to educate you..
 Quoting: s. d. butler


You had two opportunities to refute what I said, and did not do so because you could not do so.

It's not rocket science: if a good guy and a bad guy have a gun, neither is in an advantageous position because neither can outrun a bullet. You might think you're the big man with your AR-15, until someone has a gun to your head, and at that moment your pants are filled with diarrhea, your life flashes before your eyes, and you think, 'Why didn't they ban guns!'
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That's not even what the Wiki says. The list is gun related deaths which is completely different than a stats on murder, or murder rates.
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Most gun deaths, in every country, are suicides.
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Even IF true(not saying it is), last time I checked, according to the constitution it was the duty of every American to fight enemies abroad and within, should this case occur.

How would you fight a government in case it turns corrupt and treacherous if you were to let any government take away even the most basic defences like guns.

In fact, a case could be made that with technology advancing, Americans need more powerful hardware to be able to defend themselves in case of a government turning treacherous and or corrupt.
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Well, I guess that's down to who gets control of the military. If the military remain loyal to the rogue Gov, then firearms wont really do anything against ship / sub launched tomahawk missiles, high altitude air strikes, etc.
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True, but an armed population even with simple guns backing up the part of the military siding with them is certainly better than nothing.
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No it isn't true. No government can use that kind of weaponry against their own people and remain in power.

It can't even win a counter insurgency in a foreign country using those kind of weapons.

all the drone strikes have done and MOAB and all the rest has done is harden opposition.

No westerner can move anywhere in Baghdad without serious security as an example. Everyone and his brother wants to kill a foreign invader.

An armed population is a serious check on tyranny. If that weren't so, why are they so desperate to disarm the people?
 Quoting: s. d. butler


I don't think you thought this out all too well. They did not go full out with what is technologically possible in any of the wars named so far.

Imagine for example, if they told everyone to put down his arms and move into the FEMA camps where they will be taken care of with food etc.


After, they would release similar drones to this one(but more advanced) ->

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

this is old stuff... imagine what they have now


Now imagine this drone equipped with something similar to this [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

also old tech.


All your cars can be hacked and turned into drones. All streets were perfectly mapped by google maps.


The above is just one scenario how this could go down based on relatively old tech.
The more technology is advancing the less relevant your "stone age" weapons like AR-15 or ak-47 will get against a high tech military.


However, it will always be better to have some arms rather than nothing, for the reason I stated above. Being able to back up the part of the military standing behind the people if shit should ever hit the fan.
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...if a good guy and a bad guy have a gun, neither is in an advantageous position because neither can outrun a bullet.
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Exactly right: it's called DETERRENCE.

When Bad Guy knows the odds are good that you're also packing, his self-interest makes him think twice.

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criminals still have them. Some today people are so dumb having a gun gives them the right to shoot and anything they don't agree with.In America just having one on you is a silent threat to anyone who disagrees with what they say or do. No one has the knowledge to talk is over, just pull out the gun and fire. This is also what road rage has become using the car as a weapon, that many people in an accident wont even get out of the car to swop information in case the other has a gun or a bat, or even just using the car in anger. mental people do mental things. There are normal people who have a gun for protection but its the criminals that use it for no good reason.
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Op go suck a cock, you can gladly bend over and take one right up your cuck ass when the NWO rolls in and enslaves humanity for eternity. I'll be shooting at them.
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The right of one to defend himself and his family from humans that desire what you have or what you are is absolutely necessary in a eorld where minds wander and flow.

Sone are lost and incapable of rational thought. These people become terrifying to the sane folks.

There is no way to regulate sanity or to enforce it. People are going to hurt each other as long as there are means to do so. For whatever reason.

The ability for a 90 lbs woman to ewualize herself with 4 200 lbs invaders is absolutely essential in this world. Give her the possibility of survival.
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Ni--er control works. Western countries that historically have or had low to no ni--er populations have per capita murder rates around 1 per 100,000.

America would be no different if they got rid of all the ni--ers and spicks. Studies routinely show that if you take the ni--er and spick murders out of the crime stats for US cities the rates fall 90+ percent.

Be patient my friend, we're getting overloaded with third world subhumans. It won't be long before we start to show it here too, regardless of gun control.
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Wiki-Manipulated-Pedia is your reference???? :smlaugh:


Come on now. lol
If you are going to troll GLP at least use a legit source.


:wiki1: :wiki2:
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Wikipedia is tightly moderated.

Any changes that are questionable are deleted within minutes.

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see. Guns should be banned from the US.


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"If you are for gun control, then you are not against guns, because the guns will be needed to disarm people. So it’s not that you are anti-gun. You’ll need the police’s guns to take away other people’s guns. So you’re very Pro-Gun, you just believe that only the Government (which is, of course, so reliable, honest, moral and virtuous…) should be allowed to have guns. There is no such thing as gun control. There is only centralizing gun ownership in the hands of a small, political elite and their minions."
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poor baby deal with it!

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yeah they just go to war with each other on a regular basis and conscript there sheep like beta males to die in there millions...which they do......and think there of all things hereos after ..........can i have guns please.............nobodys doing anything to an armed population......its the end of war ........forever........it requires men to be men rather than cowardly sheep of course
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Well, I guess that's down to who gets control of the military. If the military remain loyal to the rogue Gov, then firearms wont really do anything against ship / sub launched tomahawk missiles, high altitude air strikes, etc.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66264991


True, but an armed population even with simple guns backing up the part of the military siding with them is certainly better than nothing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75207977


No it isn't true. No government can use that kind of weaponry against their own people and remain in power.

It can't even win a counter insurgency in a foreign country using those kind of weapons.

all the drone strikes have done and MOAB and all the rest has done is harden opposition.

No westerner can move anywhere in Baghdad without serious security as an example. Everyone and his brother wants to kill a foreign invader.

An armed population is a serious check on tyranny. If that weren't so, why are they so desperate to disarm the people?
 Quoting: s. d. butler


I don't think you thought this out all too well. They did not go full out with what is technologically possible in any of the wars named so far.

Imagine for example, if they told everyone to put down his arms and move into the FEMA camps where they will be taken care of with food etc.


After, they would release similar drones to this one(but more advanced) ->

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

this is old stuff... imagine what they have now


Now imagine this drone equipped with something similar to this [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

also old tech.


All your cars can be hacked and turned into drones. All streets were perfectly mapped by google maps.


The above is just one scenario how this could go down based on relatively old tech.
The more technology is advancing the less relevant your "stone age" weapons like AR-15 or ak-47 will get against a high tech military.


However, it will always be better to have some arms rather than nothing, for the reason I stated above. Being able to back up the part of the military standing behind the people if shit should ever hit the fan.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75207977


laugh

Space, time, distance, logistics, terrain, weather, climate,population centers, vast rural areas, available forces, and unintended consequences all argue against your government is omnipotent and omniscient childish assertions.

Government makes horrendous mistakes and miscalculations all the time.

And technology isn't perfect. Add in human error and you have a recipe for marginal results. And every weapon has a counter, low tech or high tech.

All your cars can be hacked and turned into drones. All streets were perfectly mapped by google maps.

Hilarious. All streets in cities may be "perfectly mapped". I doubt it. It is a fact that isn't even close to true in the outback. And cars turned into drones? laugh

So I'd say you haven't thought this through.

Spend some time out in the real world and read up on LIC and 4th and 5th gen warfare and then come back.

And you haven't answered my question. If gubmint was so awesome and small arms mean nothing to it, why do gubmints want to disarm people? Everyone except gubmint itself of course.

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see. Guns should be banned from the US.


[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
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HEY LOOK...a FAKE POST!! and wikipededia as a source??? LOL anybody can enter anything like FAKE ratings and stats...
Chicago has gun control...what about that you prick with lips???
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criminals still have them.....There are normal people who have a gun for protection but its the criminals that use it for no good reason.
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Yep criminals will always have them, hence the need for the law-abiding to be able to defend themselves....especially women (thanks Chip for pointing that out). [link to danieljmitchell.files.wordpress.com (secure)] [link to www.sonsoflibertytees.com]

Concealed carry permit holders are many times less likely to commit gun crimes than the general population, even police.

Source: [link to dailysignal.com]
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The United States is the safest place in the world,
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You poor, deluded simpleton.

For what it's worth think even if Canada did have similar hand gun laws to the US we still wouldn't kill each other to the same rate as you fn animals.
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Lol look at all these triggered NRA snowflakes so afraid to loose their penis substitute.
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awe bullshit
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The right of one to defend himself and his family from humans that desire what you have or what you are is absolutely necessary in a eorld where minds wander and flow.

Sone are lost and incapable of rational thought. These people become terrifying to the sane folks.

There is no way to regulate sanity or to enforce it. People are going to hurt each other as long as there are means to do so. For whatever reason.

The ability for a 90 lbs woman to ewualize herself with 4 200 lbs invaders is absolutely essential in this world. Give her the possibility of survival.
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And exactly how often are guns successfully used for protection versus used to kill innocent people?

If you had a shred of intellectual honesty you'd have to admit the numbers aren't even close.

For what it's worth I don't think it has so much to do with the guns themselves as it does the culture and the fact your a nation of violent animals.
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Lol look at all these triggered NRA snowflakes so afraid to loose their penis substitute.
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laugh

That insult has never worked. Try again.

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The right of one to defend himself and his family from humans that desire what you have or what you are is absolutely necessary in a eorld where minds wander and flow.

Sone are lost and incapable of rational thought. These people become terrifying to the sane folks.

There is no way to regulate sanity or to enforce it. People are going to hurt each other as long as there are means to do so. For whatever reason.

The ability for a 90 lbs woman to ewualize herself with 4 200 lbs invaders is absolutely essential in this world. Give her the possibility of survival.
 Quoting: Chip


And exactly how often are guns successfully used for protection versus used to kill innocent people?

If you had a shred of intellectual honesty you'd have to admit the numbers aren't even close.

For what it's worth I don't think it has so much to do with the guns themselves as it does the culture and the fact your a nation of violent animals.
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you're
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Here in South Africa we have strict gun laws and one of the highest murder rates.
Most gun murders are committed with illegal fire arms...smuggled or stolen...mainly stolen from the police or army. In the rural areas the gun is all that stands between you and the criminals. Law enforcement is non existent there.
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The right of one to defend himself and his family from humans that desire what you have or what you are is absolutely necessary in a eorld where minds wander and flow.

Sone are lost and incapable of rational thought. These people become terrifying to the sane folks.

There is no way to regulate sanity or to enforce it. People are going to hurt each other as long as there are means to do so. For whatever reason.

The ability for a 90 lbs woman to ewualize herself with 4 200 lbs invaders is absolutely essential in this world. Give her the possibility of survival.
 Quoting: Chip


And exactly how often are guns successfully used for protection versus used to kill innocent people?

If you had a shred of intellectual honesty you'd have to admit the numbers aren't even close.

For what it's worth I don't think it has so much to do with the guns themselves as it does the culture and the fact your a nation of violent animals.
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Violent animals?

Really?

laugh
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typical libtard ac
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The right of one to defend himself and his family from humans that desire what you have or what you are is absolutely necessary in a eorld where minds wander and flow.

Sone are lost and incapable of rational thought. These people become terrifying to the sane folks.

There is no way to regulate sanity or to enforce it. People are going to hurt each other as long as there are means to do so. For whatever reason.

The ability for a 90 lbs woman to ewualize herself with 4 200 lbs invaders is absolutely essential in this world. Give her the possibility of survival.
 Quoting: Chip


And exactly how often are guns successfully used for protection versus used to kill innocent people?

If you had a shred of intellectual honesty you'd have to admit the numbers aren't even close.

For what it's worth I don't think it has so much to do with the guns themselves as it does the culture and the fact your a nation of violent animals.
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Violent animals?

Really?

laugh
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Are you aware of the rates at which you kill each other compared to other industrialized nations?

If you did you wouldn't be laughing…or maybe you would…you seem the type.
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Lol look at all these triggered NRA snowflakes so afraid to loose their penis substitute.
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laugh

That insult has never worked. Try again.
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It's not an insult. It's reality. Guns are phallic symbols and people with low self-esteem love them. America as a whole is still having massive issues with their self-image. Ask yourself why the obsession with bodybuilding, big cars, fake tits, bling and big guns?

small penis, small confidence, big ego
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Well, tell me where I'm wrong. If someone pulls a knife on me (or any other non-firearm), they have to get in range to use it on me, and even then I have a chance of disarming the assailant, dodging weapon, or running for safety.

If assailant has firearm, he can brandish it from afar and instantly kill me. So, I have no chance of disarming him, and I have no real chance of running for safety because I can't outrun a bullet.
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Sorry, my British cousin, I don't have the inclination or time to educate you..
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You had two opportunities to refute what I said, and did not do so because you could not do so.

It's not rocket science: if a good guy and a bad guy have a gun, neither is in an advantageous position because neither can outrun a bullet. You might think you're the big man with your AR-15, until someone has a gun to your head, and at that moment your pants are filled with diarrhea, your life flashes before your eyes, and you think, 'Why didn't they ban guns!'
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I can't help but wonder if this clown is REALLY this stupid, or if he's just pretending to have a sub 50 IQ.

Well, one thing's for sure. Ya gotta love these disarmed idiots who try to convince you that you should be too.


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