Gun control works. All the western countries that have gun control have lower murder rates | |
s. d. butler User ID: 74291006 United States 07/11/2017 03:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66264991 Well, I guess that's down to who gets control of the military. If the military remain loyal to the rogue Gov, then firearms wont really do anything against ship / sub launched tomahawk missiles, high altitude air strikes, etc. True, but an armed population even with simple guns backing up the part of the military siding with them is certainly better than nothing. No it isn't true. No government can use that kind of weaponry against their own people and remain in power. It can't even win a counter insurgency in a foreign country using those kind of weapons. all the drone strikes have done and MOAB and all the rest has done is harden opposition. No westerner can move anywhere in Baghdad without serious security as an example. Everyone and his brother wants to kill a foreign invader. An armed population is a serious check on tyranny. If that weren't so, why are they so desperate to disarm the people? I don't think you thought this out all too well. They did not go full out with what is technologically possible in any of the wars named so far. Imagine for example, if they told everyone to put down his arms and move into the FEMA camps where they will be taken care of with food etc. After, they would release similar drones to this one(but more advanced) -> [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] this is old stuff... imagine what they have now Now imagine this drone equipped with something similar to this [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] also old tech. All your cars can be hacked and turned into drones. All streets were perfectly mapped by google maps. The above is just one scenario how this could go down based on relatively old tech. The more technology is advancing the less relevant your "stone age" weapons like AR-15 or ak-47 will get against a high tech military. However, it will always be better to have some arms rather than nothing, for the reason I stated above. Being able to back up the part of the military standing behind the people if shit should ever hit the fan. Space, time, distance, logistics, terrain, weather, climate,population centers, vast rural areas, available forces, and unintended consequences all argue against your government is omnipotent and omniscient childish assertions. Government makes horrendous mistakes and miscalculations all the time. And technology isn't perfect. Add in human error and you have a recipe for marginal results. And every weapon has a counter, low tech or high tech. All your cars can be hacked and turned into drones. All streets were perfectly mapped by google maps. Hilarious. All streets in cities may be "perfectly mapped". I doubt it. It is a fact that isn't even close to true in the outback. And cars turned into drones? So I'd say you haven't thought this through. Spend some time out in the real world and read up on LIC and 4th and 5th gen warfare and then come back. And you haven't answered my question. If gubmint was so awesome and small arms mean nothing to it, why do gubmints want to disarm people? Everyone except gubmint itself of course. Last Edited by s. d. butler on 07/11/2017 03:59 AM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 16746497 United States 07/11/2017 03:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | criminals still have them.....There are normal people who have a gun for protection but its the criminals that use it for no good reason. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71717235 Yep criminals will always have them, hence the need for the law-abiding to be able to defend themselves....especially women (thanks Chip for pointing that out). [link to danieljmitchell.files.wordpress.com (secure)] [link to www.sonsoflibertytees.com] Concealed carry permit holders are many times less likely to commit gun crimes than the general population, even police. Source: [link to dailysignal.com] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75180768 Canada 07/11/2017 03:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The right of one to defend himself and his family from humans that desire what you have or what you are is absolutely necessary in a eorld where minds wander and flow. Quoting: Chip Sone are lost and incapable of rational thought. These people become terrifying to the sane folks. There is no way to regulate sanity or to enforce it. People are going to hurt each other as long as there are means to do so. For whatever reason. The ability for a 90 lbs woman to ewualize herself with 4 200 lbs invaders is absolutely essential in this world. Give her the possibility of survival. And exactly how often are guns successfully used for protection versus used to kill innocent people? If you had a shred of intellectual honesty you'd have to admit the numbers aren't even close. For what it's worth I don't think it has so much to do with the guns themselves as it does the culture and the fact your a nation of violent animals. |
s. d. butler User ID: 74291006 United States 07/11/2017 03:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lol look at all these triggered NRA snowflakes so afraid to loose their penis substitute. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099 That insult has never worked. Try again. Last Edited by s. d. butler on 07/11/2017 03:49 AM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75180768 Canada 07/11/2017 03:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The right of one to defend himself and his family from humans that desire what you have or what you are is absolutely necessary in a eorld where minds wander and flow. Quoting: Chip Sone are lost and incapable of rational thought. These people become terrifying to the sane folks. There is no way to regulate sanity or to enforce it. People are going to hurt each other as long as there are means to do so. For whatever reason. The ability for a 90 lbs woman to ewualize herself with 4 200 lbs invaders is absolutely essential in this world. Give her the possibility of survival. And exactly how often are guns successfully used for protection versus used to kill innocent people? If you had a shred of intellectual honesty you'd have to admit the numbers aren't even close. For what it's worth I don't think it has so much to do with the guns themselves as it does the culture and the fact your a nation of violent animals. you're |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73485336 South Africa 07/11/2017 03:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here in South Africa we have strict gun laws and one of the highest murder rates. Most gun murders are committed with illegal fire arms...smuggled or stolen...mainly stolen from the police or army. In the rural areas the gun is all that stands between you and the criminals. Law enforcement is non existent there. |
s. d. butler User ID: 74291006 United States 07/11/2017 03:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The right of one to defend himself and his family from humans that desire what you have or what you are is absolutely necessary in a eorld where minds wander and flow. Quoting: Chip Sone are lost and incapable of rational thought. These people become terrifying to the sane folks. There is no way to regulate sanity or to enforce it. People are going to hurt each other as long as there are means to do so. For whatever reason. The ability for a 90 lbs woman to ewualize herself with 4 200 lbs invaders is absolutely essential in this world. Give her the possibility of survival. And exactly how often are guns successfully used for protection versus used to kill innocent people? If you had a shred of intellectual honesty you'd have to admit the numbers aren't even close. For what it's worth I don't think it has so much to do with the guns themselves as it does the culture and the fact your a nation of violent animals. Violent animals? Really? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75180768 Canada 07/11/2017 03:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The right of one to defend himself and his family from humans that desire what you have or what you are is absolutely necessary in a eorld where minds wander and flow. Quoting: Chip Sone are lost and incapable of rational thought. These people become terrifying to the sane folks. There is no way to regulate sanity or to enforce it. People are going to hurt each other as long as there are means to do so. For whatever reason. The ability for a 90 lbs woman to ewualize herself with 4 200 lbs invaders is absolutely essential in this world. Give her the possibility of survival. And exactly how often are guns successfully used for protection versus used to kill innocent people? If you had a shred of intellectual honesty you'd have to admit the numbers aren't even close. For what it's worth I don't think it has so much to do with the guns themselves as it does the culture and the fact your a nation of violent animals. Violent animals? Really? Are you aware of the rates at which you kill each other compared to other industrialized nations? If you did you wouldn't be laughing…or maybe you would…you seem the type. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1051099 Belgium 07/11/2017 03:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lol look at all these triggered NRA snowflakes so afraid to loose their penis substitute. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099 That insult has never worked. Try again. It's not an insult. It's reality. Guns are phallic symbols and people with low self-esteem love them. America as a whole is still having massive issues with their self-image. Ask yourself why the obsession with bodybuilding, big cars, fake tits, bling and big guns? small penis, small confidence, big ego |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75209304 United States 07/11/2017 03:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66264991 Well, tell me where I'm wrong. If someone pulls a knife on me (or any other non-firearm), they have to get in range to use it on me, and even then I have a chance of disarming the assailant, dodging weapon, or running for safety. If assailant has firearm, he can brandish it from afar and instantly kill me. So, I have no chance of disarming him, and I have no real chance of running for safety because I can't outrun a bullet. Sorry, my British cousin, I don't have the inclination or time to educate you.. You had two opportunities to refute what I said, and did not do so because you could not do so. It's not rocket science: if a good guy and a bad guy have a gun, neither is in an advantageous position because neither can outrun a bullet. You might think you're the big man with your AR-15, until someone has a gun to your head, and at that moment your pants are filled with diarrhea, your life flashes before your eyes, and you think, 'Why didn't they ban guns!' I can't help but wonder if this clown is REALLY this stupid, or if he's just pretending to have a sub 50 IQ. Well, one thing's for sure. Ya gotta love these disarmed idiots who try to convince you that you should be too. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75203269 United States 07/11/2017 03:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, tell me where I'm wrong. If someone pulls a knife on me (or any other non-firearm), they have to get in range to use it on me, and even then I have a chance of disarming the assailant, dodging weapon, or running for safety. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66264991 If assailant has firearm, he can brandish it from afar and instantly kill me. So, I have no chance of disarming him, and I have no real chance of running for safety because I can't outrun a bullet. Doesn't matter. In Mexico, for example, gun control is quite far reaching. But it hasn't done a damn thing in making the average person in Mexico less likely to be gunned down by all of that country's many criminals. Crime is quite severe in Mexico. Your hypothetical about outrunning a knife instead of a bullet is meaningless and naive. That scenario is similar to saying that since most people won't exploit the honor system at a workplace, employees therefore can be provided free lunch, free office supplies, and free self-determined time charts as to when they have to show up, when they have to go home. . |
Cpt. Obvious helps Canuck User ID: 72560872 Singapore 07/11/2017 03:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Actually, if you separate gun crime statistics for European Americans and East Asian Americans (read Japan, Korea and China) from gun crime statistics for African, Latino and South Asian Americans, you will find that the former gun crime stats mirror those of Japan, Korea and Western European countries while the latter mirror gun crime stats for Africa and Latin America. It isn't the guns, it's the localized cultures create an atmosphere of crime and drive gun crime. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1051099 Belgium 07/11/2017 03:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, one thing's for sure. Ya gotta love these disarmed idiots who try to convince you that you should be too. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75209304 The idiots are people like you who believe that gun control = taking guns. People like you who don't realize that in other countries people can still have guns, they just have to register them more. Shows how insecure you are that you believe everyone is after your beloved penis substitute |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1051099 Belgium 07/11/2017 04:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "having to register my guns is bad!" says the idiot, afraid that he would be deemed as too intellectually challenged to be considered a responsible adult that can own guns. "it's bad that we are able to identify who possess registered weapons, and what do they own" says the conspiracy nutjob who knows very well that if his arsenal was made public everyone would know he is insane and paranoid. |
s. d. butler User ID: 74291006 United States 07/11/2017 04:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The right of one to defend himself and his family from humans that desire what you have or what you are is absolutely necessary in a eorld where minds wander and flow. Quoting: Chip Sone are lost and incapable of rational thought. These people become terrifying to the sane folks. There is no way to regulate sanity or to enforce it. People are going to hurt each other as long as there are means to do so. For whatever reason. The ability for a 90 lbs woman to ewualize herself with 4 200 lbs invaders is absolutely essential in this world. Give her the possibility of survival. And exactly how often are guns successfully used for protection versus used to kill innocent people? If you had a shred of intellectual honesty you'd have to admit the numbers aren't even close. For what it's worth I don't think it has so much to do with the guns themselves as it does the culture and the fact your a nation of violent animals. Violent animals? Really? Are you aware of the rates at which you kill each other compared to other industrialized nations? If you did you wouldn't be laughing…or maybe you would…you seem the type. By all means keep up the insults. What ever I say you won't like or understand. so far you have called everyone who believes in the inherent right of self defense violent animals. And you have insinuated worse about me. Last Edited by s. d. butler on 07/11/2017 04:06 AM |
s. d. butler User ID: 74291006 United States 07/11/2017 04:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "having to register my guns is bad!" says the idiot, afraid that he would be deemed as too intellectually challenged to be considered a responsible adult that can own guns. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099 "it's bad that we are able to identify who possess registered weapons, and what do they own" says the conspiracy nutjob who knows very well that if his arsenal was made public everyone would know he is insane and paranoid. stay out of American affairs. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1051099 Belgium 07/11/2017 04:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "having to register my guns is bad!" says the idiot, afraid that he would be deemed as too intellectually challenged to be considered a responsible adult that can own guns. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099 "it's bad that we are able to identify who possess registered weapons, and what do they own" says the conspiracy nutjob who knows very well that if his arsenal was made public everyone would know he is insane and paranoid. stay out of American affairs. Triggered snowflake is afraid to face the irrationality of his worldviews. Sorry pal, people who are against registering guns are either paranoid or intellectually challenged, there's no other explanation |
s. d. butler User ID: 74291006 United States 07/11/2017 04:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, one thing's for sure. Ya gotta love these disarmed idiots who try to convince you that you should be too. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75209304 The idiots are people like you who believe that gun control = taking guns. People like you who don't realize that in other countries people can still have guns, they just have to register them more. Shows how insecure you are that you believe everyone is after your beloved penis substitute stay out of American affairs. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75209304 United States 07/11/2017 04:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You poor, deluded simpleton. For what it's worth think even if Canada did have similar hand gun laws to the US we still wouldn't kill each other to the same rate as you fn animals. You need to substitute the word "animals" with "libscum". It isn't conservatives and NRA members killing people anc committing gun crimes. It is people JUST LIKE YOU. Fuckin LIBERALS. Guns don't kill people... LIBERALS do. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1051099 Belgium 07/11/2017 04:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, one thing's for sure. Ya gotta love these disarmed idiots who try to convince you that you should be too. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75209304 The idiots are people like you who believe that gun control = taking guns. People like you who don't realize that in other countries people can still have guns, they just have to register them more. Shows how insecure you are that you believe everyone is after your beloved penis substitute stay out of American affairs. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1051099 Belgium 07/11/2017 04:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You poor, deluded simpleton. For what it's worth think even if Canada did have similar hand gun laws to the US we still wouldn't kill each other to the same rate as you fn animals. You need to substitute the word "animals" with "libscum". It isn't conservatives and NRA members killing people anc committing gun crimes. It is people JUST LIKE YOU. Fuckin LIBERALS. Guns don't kill people... LIBERALS do. you don't even know the meaning of liberal, idiot. There are conservative liberals. You guys are so dumb |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75209304 United States 07/11/2017 04:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The right of one to defend himself and his family from humans that desire what you have or what you are is absolutely necessary in a eorld where minds wander and flow. Quoting: Chip Sone are lost and incapable of rational thought. These people become terrifying to the sane folks. There is no way to regulate sanity or to enforce it. People are going to hurt each other as long as there are means to do so. For whatever reason. The ability for a 90 lbs woman to ewualize herself with 4 200 lbs invaders is absolutely essential in this world. Give her the possibility of survival. And exactly how often are guns successfully used for protection versus used to kill innocent people? If you had a shred of intellectual honesty you'd have to admit the numbers aren't even close. For what it's worth I don't think it has so much to do with the guns themselves as it does the culture and the fact your a nation of violent animals. You are GROSSLY out of touch with reality, Canucktard. Guns are used 1-2 million times a year to defend life and property. MANY times the number of guns being used ILLEGALLY. |
s. d. butler User ID: 74291006 United States 07/11/2017 04:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "having to register my guns is bad!" says the idiot, afraid that he would be deemed as too intellectually challenged to be considered a responsible adult that can own guns. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099 "it's bad that we are able to identify who possess registered weapons, and what do they own" says the conspiracy nutjob who knows very well that if his arsenal was made public everyone would know he is insane and paranoid. stay out of American affairs. Triggered snowflake is afraid to face the irrationality of his worldviews. Sorry pal, people who are against registering guns are either paranoid or intellectually challenged, there's no other explanation Sorry pal, I recognize that historically every time there is a gun registry it is followed sooner or later by confiscation. If in your eyes that makes me intellectually challenged or paranoid then I guess somehow I will just have to carry on. Difficult as that may be. Last Edited by s. d. butler on 07/11/2017 04:12 AM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75209304 United States 07/11/2017 04:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You poor, deluded simpleton. For what it's worth think even if Canada did have similar hand gun laws to the US we still wouldn't kill each other to the same rate as you fn animals. You need to substitute the word "animals" with "libscum". It isn't conservatives and NRA members killing people anc committing gun crimes. It is people JUST LIKE YOU. Fuckin LIBERALS. Guns don't kill people... LIBERALS do. you don't even know the meaning of liberal, idiot. There are conservative liberals. You guys are so dumb "Conservative liberals" Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha! |