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This is why rockets do not work in space

 
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The exhaust isn't freely expanding, its being forced mostly in one direction.

Put an explosion next to a ball in space and the ball will be hit be and moved by the gases.

Same thing happens inside the rocket but even more efficiently with a good nozzle.
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No it's not, it is is expanding. Combustion reaction creates pressure which is the released. You can ignore math and just take NASA's word for it, but you will still be wrong
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Newton invented The Method of Fluxions.

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then they must not be in space for they do work.

which is it?
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they have never been beyond the Van Halen Belt...

so kiss my ass...

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The exhaust isn't freely expanding, its being forced mostly in one direction.

Put an explosion next to a ball in space and the ball will be hit be and moved by the gases.

Same thing happens inside the rocket but even more efficiently with a good nozzle.
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exactly, the gasses push against the nozzle.
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Yes, it is actually called a De Laval nozzle. hf
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It's common sense.
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Is life really hard or a lot easier when you're borderline retarded? I've often wondered what it would be like to have no ability to think and to be easily swayed by others with slightly more brainpower.
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Shills be shillin' this thread!

Proof that OP just hit the nail on the head-

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Is life really hard or a lot easier when you're borderline retarded? I've often wondered what it would be like to have no ability to think and to be easily swayed by others with slightly more brainpower.
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Shills be shillin' this thread!

Proof that OP just hit the nail on the head-

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People are trying to educate the OP to save him from further embarrassment.
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Is life really hard or a lot easier when you're borderline retarded? I've often wondered what it would be like to have no ability to think and to be easily swayed by others with slightly more brainpower.
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Shills be shillin' this thread!

Proof that OP just hit the nail on the head-

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People are trying to educate the OP to save him from further embarrassment.
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By calling him an idiot? OP provided theoretical mathematical evidence... what do YOU provide other than logical fallacies in the form of personal attack ad name calling?
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Is life really hard or a lot easier when you're borderline retarded? I've often wondered what it would be like to have no ability to think and to be easily swayed by others with slightly more brainpower.
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Shills be shillin' this thread!

Proof that OP just hit the nail on the head-

5a
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People are trying to educate the OP to save him from further embarrassment.
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By calling him an idiot? OP provided theoretical mathematical evidence... what do YOU provide other than logical fallacies in the form of personal attack ad name calling?
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Also, pretty sure "embarrassment" is the last think on the mind of an "anonymous coward"- Just sayin'
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Re: This is why rockets do not work in space
The exhaust isn't freely expanding, its being forced mostly in one direction.

Put an explosion next to a ball in space and the ball will be hit be and moved by the gases.

Same thing happens inside the rocket but even more efficiently with a good nozzle.
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No it's not, it is is expanding. Combustion reaction creates pressure which is the released. You can ignore math and just take NASA's word for it, but you will still be wrong
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See Astromut's post, that's how it works.
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So, basically, you have nothing to add or say.

Copy and paste is such a good argument....
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It's common sense.
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Nothing more uncommon in this world.

The op is partially correct in his analysis, perhaps. The issue he or she raises has to do with use of gas as a propellant in the vacuum of space. Let's say that you have compressed air in a container and there is a puncture.

The suggestion is that the vacuum will be working from the outside to equalize the pressures (outside versus inside) as hard as the compressed gases work to escape containment. Of course this does not take into account reactive mixtures and their exhaust products.

In the simplest example I raised earlier, a mixture of oxygen and hydrogen (two gases) yield enormous explosive force as the molecules combine to form water vapor. Water vapor is not exactly a gas. Steam might be said to be a gas but water vapor is tiny droplets of water. You can see these in the form of clouds or in the form of the mist rising from your boiling water. Steam is actually invisible like most gases.

Continuing, it is the vaporous cloud of water droplets that is exhausted in space going through a variety of phase shifts because of the drastic alterations in pressure and temperature. Whatever state it exits, some percentage of the products cannot strictly speaking be said to be in a "gaseous" state, therefore the op's analysis using ideal gas equations is inherently invalid. Solid, liquid even plasma but gas is only part of the equation in rocket propulsion.
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Is life really hard or a lot easier when you're borderline retarded? I've often wondered what it would be like to have no ability to think and to be easily swayed by others with slightly more brainpower.
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Shills be shillin' this thread!

Proof that OP just hit the nail on the head-

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People are trying to educate the OP to save him from further embarrassment.
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By calling him an idiot? OP provided theoretical mathematical evidence... what do YOU provide other than logical fallacies in the form of personal attack ad name calling?
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I didn't call him an idiot. Also, the maths he referenced have nothing to do with action/reaction. Rockets move because of action/reaction.
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Continuing my previous post.

The combustion chamber in which the gases intermingle and react undergoes a vast increase in temperature and pressure. This causes the water vapor to flash into steam this phase state transition causes even greater pressure. As this pressurized exhaust enters the exhaust bell it depressurizes the temperature drastically decreases along with pressure condensing the gaseous steam back into vapor and almost immediately it is frozen then almost as quickly it sublimates turning into gas again. Somewhere along the process non-gas molecules are accelerated to very high speed, and in the process mass is ejected and momentum is transferred/exhanged from the escaping exhaust to the container/vessel. The shape of the exhaust cone adds to the transfer as the non-gas molecules "bumb int" the surfaces at angles that redirect momemtum.
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And that the reason plus some not mention there is no space travel, no space ships, no high satellites. You see, temperatures do change up there, the only reason they use ceramic tile is because they are are created in high temperatures unless they have changed this, but as far as I have heard nothing else is a good. Nickel would be one but it may melt, and ceramics just get harder and more likely to break of it something hits it.

The planes that fly high years ago, before they tried anything, could not stay to high thing melted from the heat, it was not cold it was hot, gasket seals start leaking. That why they said, they could had not gone higher than low orbit. You do not want to send people up to die, it stupid.

You would have to be able to get through earths barrier and nothing comes in or goes out, that is not me saying this, they said it themselves. I do read research papers. They are still designing ships so people can go as far as the moon without dying, so, what wrong with recent statement?

When I talk about hot, it because it came from their own findings, and also the barrier reflect and intensifies the heat up their closer. Now, could we have sent anything through if nothing can go through it? Just figure it out, they know the facts, math is right but not done without all the facts. And those are known.

Now remember the amount of money NASA used to receive, well that was a whole lot of money. I am not saying they are not doing something, they are diffidently over Antarctica, for the US, maybe others. Both Arctics are under the same heads, they just say for either one the Arctic. Now, travel through worm holes, sort of maybe. I think there is something they found. It may have had something to do with people pop out of a field or onto street from some other time then get killed, that a bad one. There been report since America was found early on, where people just disappeared like thin air. It an old history and not good, when someone screams and can not find a why out, one happen a hundred years ago here in West Ala. and in Tennessee.

Very weird it happen while my grandpa was there and knew. It happened. Almost the same story here as in Tennessee to different people just there then gone right in front of people who were talking across the field at them the poof.
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And that the reason plus some not mention there is no space travel, no space ships, no high satellites.
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Wrong.

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During the revolution can we liquidate this idiot along with the flat earther idiots?
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Re: This is why rockets do not work in space
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I find the Paper written by H.M. Akram interesting

It is titled, "Review of the history of concepts about vacuum space."




I know we are taught and retaught and taught again that above our atmosphere there is a vacuum but have you ever thought to question that concept.


What experiment proved that above the atmosphere there is a vacuum.



I know we have been raised on NASA propaganda and movies with rocket ships but if you can truly set that aside and rebuild the history of the vacuum it is interesting.




In the paper I noted by H.M.Akram after reviewing all of the history he states, "quantum vacuum physics is the physics of nothing but the philosophy of everything.


This is what happens when the foundation is incorrect. Truth is plan and simple and does not need a web of contortions. Truth is easily understood by all.
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Sounding rockets in the late 40s (V2s) and '50s carried instruments which showed what was/wasn't up there.
It's rocket science, which OP obviously has no interest in...
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Dumbass.
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So you're calling yourself a dumbass because you cannot defend rockets working in space.
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Rockets working in space is an observed phenomenon, it doesn't require defending.

If you think you have proven something that is OBSERVABLY UNTRUE you simply must have made a mistake somewhere.
Not our job to figure out what you did wrong.

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Dumbass.
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So you're calling yourself a dumbass because you cannot defend rockets working in space?
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No because you believe in flawed science, put out by dumbasses, you fail so hard it's not even funny.



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