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Educated Redneck, I recall you poo-pooing Holocaust deniers in previous threads.

Here's a question...

Why -- in Winston Churchill's 6-volume history of World War 2 written between 1948 and 1953 -- were German death camps never mentioned? Surely something as grotesquely barbaric, politically earth-shattering, the purported attempted extermination of God's chosen people from whom our own religion -- Christianity -- was born.... Surely that would warrant 1 page. Maybe 2? At least a paragraph, no?
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Educated Redneck, I recall you poo-pooing Holocaust deniers in previous threads.

Here's a question...

Why -- in Winston Churchill's 6-volume history of World War 2 written between 1948 and 1953 -- were German death camps never mentioned? Surely something as grotesquely barbaric, politically earth-shattering, the purported attempted extermination of God's chosen people from whom our own religion -- Christianity -- was born.... Surely that would warrant 1 page. Maybe 2? At least a paragraph, no?
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"Then he secretly prayed to Mercury, whom the teaching of the theologians stated to be the swift intelligence of the universe, arousing the activity of men's minds;.." A. Marcellinus, 4th century ce.

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I cannot remember seeing a Nolan movie that was any good.

Didn't he direct that Batman crap as well ?

Sergio Leone, 1980s Coppola - that are good directors.

Nolan is a piece of crap.
The Matrix directors where a one-hit wonder, all they did after was crap.

That guy who gets pegged by Madonna, can't remember his name, he has some good stuff as well. Not seen his latest, but Rock'n'Rolla was quite fun.

Tarantino has some good stuff, though his latest two suck ass.
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I cannot remember seeing a Nolan movie that was any good.

Didn't he direct that Batman crap as well ?

Sergio Leone, 1980s Coppola - that are good directors.

Nolan is a piece of crap.
The Matrix directors where a one-hit wonder, all they did after was crap.

That guy who gets pegged by Madonna, can't remember his name, he has some good stuff as well. Not seen his latest, but Rock'n'Rolla was quite fun.

Tarantino has some good stuff, though his latest two suck ass.
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LOL! Guy Richie took it up the bum from Madonna's strap-on?
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I cannot remember seeing a Nolan movie that was any good.

Didn't he direct that Batman crap as well ?

Sergio Leone, 1980s Coppola - that are good directors.

Nolan is a piece of crap.
The Matrix directors where a one-hit wonder, all they did after was crap.

That guy who gets pegged by Madonna, can't remember his name, he has some good stuff as well. Not seen his latest, but Rock'n'Rolla was quite fun.

Tarantino has some good stuff, though his latest two suck ass.
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LOL! Guy Richie took it up the bum from Madonna's strap-on?
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Something tells me her strap-on is black.
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Hitler lost when he couldn't jump the channel.
The rest was a waste of time and only served to decimate the German populace.
Hitler ended up being responsible for the needless destruction of Europe.
Why?
Because his bullshit fake national socialism was just the same as the Communist international socialism.
It's goal was just the exact same invade, enslave and loot that the Communists had invented.
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I would disagree with the last part. Hitler turned the German economy around and increased the German standard of living to the best in the world. That's why Germans loved him. I don't think you'd find many Germans who felt they were "slaves". The USSR, on the other hand...where to begin with the horrors perpetrated by the communist leadership upon its own citizens. Just ask the Ukrainians. And the Soviet standard of living was little better than peasants. Huge difference between the two countries.
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LOL, I figured you were one of those.

Nazi Germany had less unemployment than most nations in the 1930s... but they didn't have that high of a standard of living and far from best in the world. Due to rearmament and lack of natural resources Germany had huge trade deficits so few foreign goods were available which included many food products. German citizens lived better than Soviet citizens... but that really isn't saying much.

Also Hitler was not so loved. Neither Hitler nor his Nazi party ever won a free election. Never. And while the Nazis claimed to be national socialists as soon as they took office they created the fascist police state of Nazi Germany with Adolf Hitler as absolute dictator and the citizens of Germany lost all their civil rights.

Within Hitler's first 30 days in office he passed the Reichstag Fire Decree which took away the rights of the people. After February 27th, 1933 the people of Germany no longer had the right to speak freely, the right to privacy, rights against search and seizure of property, the right to assembly or the right to private communications be it mail, phone or telegraph. Political parties other than the Nazis were outlawed with many political leaders put in the early concentration camps. The police state of Nazi Germany was born.

Then in Hitler's next 30 days in office he passed the Enabling Act of 1933 which made Hitler absolute dictator of Nazi Germany. The Reichstag no longer had to approve laws and in fact from 1933 to 1945 the Reichstag only met a handful of times.

Adolf Hitler lived as royalty while the people of Germany had no rights... and you think Hitler was loved???
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I cannot remember seeing a Nolan movie that was any good.

Didn't he direct that Batman crap as well ?

Sergio Leone, 1980s Coppola - that are good directors.

Nolan is a piece of crap.
The Matrix directors where a one-hit wonder, all they did after was crap.

That guy who gets pegged by Madonna, can't remember his name, he has some good stuff as well. Not seen his latest, but Rock'n'Rolla was quite fun.

Tarantino has some good stuff, though his latest two suck ass.
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LOL! Guy Richie took it up the bum from Madonna's strap-on?
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Something tells me her strap-on is black.
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Hitler lost when he couldn't jump the channel.
The rest was a waste of time and only served to decimate the German populace.
Hitler ended up being responsible for the needless destruction of Europe.
Why?
Because his bullshit fake national socialism was just the same as the Communist international socialism.
It's goal was just the exact same invade, enslave and loot that the Communists had invented.
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I would disagree with the last part. Hitler turned the German economy around and increased the German standard of living to the best in the world. That's why Germans loved him. I don't think you'd find many Germans who felt they were "slaves". The USSR, on the other hand...where to begin with the horrors perpetrated by the communist leadership upon its own citizens. Just ask the Ukrainians. And the Soviet standard of living was little better than peasants. Huge difference between the two countries.
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LOL, I figured you were one of those.

Nazi Germany had less unemployment than most nations in the 1930s... but they didn't have that high of a standard of living and far from best in the world. Due to rearmament and lack of natural resources Germany had huge trade deficits so few foreign goods were available which included many food products. German citizens lived better than Soviet citizens... but that really isn't saying much.

Also Hitler was not so loved. Neither Hitler nor his Nazi party ever won a free election. Never. And while the Nazis claimed to be national socialists as soon as they took office they created the fascist police state of Nazi Germany with Adolf Hitler as absolute dictator and the citizens of Germany lost all their civil rights.

Within Hitler's first 30 days in office he passed the Reichstag Fire Decree which took away the rights of the people. After February 27th, 1933 the people of Germany no longer had the right to speak freely, the right to privacy, rights against search and seizure of property, the right to assembly or the right to private communications be it mail, phone or telegraph. Political parties other than the Nazis were outlawed with many political leaders put in the early concentration camps. The police state of Nazi Germany was born.

Then in Hitler's next 30 days in office he passed the Enabling Act of 1933 which made Hitler absolute dictator of Nazi Germany. The Reichstag no longer had to approve laws and in fact from 1933 to 1945 the Reichstag only met a handful of times.

Adolf Hitler lived as royalty while the people of Germany had no rights... and you think Hitler was loved???
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They absolutely did. The U.S. was still wallowing in the aftermath of the Great Depression, with waves of recessions sweeping up get the unemployed masses.

Hitler was absolutely loved by most Germans. Which world leader do you surmise had a higher "approval rating" from his people? I dare you to try to name one. And the reason most Germans loved him is because he turned the economy around in two years and Germans' lives got exponentially better.
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Let's not forget Germany was bound by treaty to a much smaller army after ww1 as well. To diminish the problem, their entire army was trained as nco's with each man being qualified to lead squads and larger units. In effect, Germany created an entire army of leaders and trainers that could quickly draft and train men as solid soldiers thus forming cohesive units rapidly.

No doubt the Russian front was their Waterloo. Russia should get lots of credit for Germany's loss. It should be noted that Germans were good soldiers. When properly supplied, they had a tendency to win.

All that changed when the 8th Air Force landed in Britain and started bombing the hell out of Germans by day and britts killing jerry by night. No armored force and it's spare parts could have survived. Successful landings at d-day spelled the fate of Germany. Moving all panzer units west of the Rhine would have been more of a turkey shoot for the 8th Air Force.

Us war fighting doctrine was superior as well. Most German armed forces fought as separate forces with their own objectives. Us war fighting doctrine evolved into combined arms fight the same or similar mission.

There are many reasons Germany lost the war including being separated by vast oceans from the United States. Which allowed us to produce war machines and equipment at an alarming rate virtually unhendered. Thus as we built our forces and readied them for combat, we were able to use the lend lease program to make up for deficiencies in Russia and Britain.
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Educated Redneck, you've avoided this question twice. Why are you peculiarly silent on this...

Educated Redneck, I recall you poo-pooing Holocaust deniers in previous threads.

Here's a question...

Why -- in Winston Churchill's 6-volume history of World War 2 written between 1948 and 1953 -- were German death camps never mentioned? Surely something as grotesquely barbaric, politically earth-shattering, the purported attempted extermination of God's chosen people from whom our own religion -- Christianity -- was born.... Surely that would warrant 1 page. Maybe 2? At least a paragraph, no?
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It wasn't just Churchills book.

From 1946 to '58, Allied commanders, with access to confidential military reports and correspondence, didn't mention mass-murders of inmates in German-operated camps:

(1) Winston Churchill, England's Prime Minister, in his 6 volume detailed memoir,

(2) Dwight Eisenhower, Supreme Allied European Commander, in writings and memoirs,

(3) Joseph Stalin, Soviet Dictator, in the book The Secret Dossier Prepared for Stalin from the Interrogations of Hitlers Personal Staff, and

(4) General DeGaulle, France's pre-war leader, who returned to lead in 1945.
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Let's not forget Germany was bound by treaty to a much smaller army after ww1 as well. To diminish the problem, their entire army was trained as nco's with each man being qualified to lead squads and larger units. In effect, Germany created an entire army of leaders and trainers that could quickly draft and train men as solid soldiers thus forming cohesive units rapidly.

No doubt the Russian front was their Waterloo. Russia should get lots of credit for Germany's loss. It should be noted that Germans were good soldiers. When properly supplied, they had a tendency to win.

All that changed when the 8th Air Force landed in Britain and started bombing the hell out of Germans by day and britts killing jerry by night. No armored force and it's spare parts could have survived. Successful landings at d-day spelled the fate of Germany. Moving all panzer units west of the Rhine would have been more of a turkey shoot for the 8th Air Force.

Us war fighting doctrine was superior as well. Most German armed forces fought as separate forces with their own objectives. Us war fighting doctrine evolved into combined arms fight the same or similar mission.

There are many reasons Germany lost the war including being separated by vast oceans from the United States. Which allowed us to produce war machines and equipment at an alarming rate virtually unhendered. Thus as we built our forces and readied them for combat, we were able to use the lend lease program to make up for deficiencies in Russia and Britain.
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And don't forget these reasons...

1) U.S. and Britain waged TOTAL WAR on Germany, which meant destroying everything; not just military targets. Dresden wasn't the only glaring example. Hamburg, Frankfurt, Berlin were firebombed into rubble (and the burned flesh of civilians).

2) Without doubt, the Soviets defeated Germany in WWII. If Germany only fought a war on its western front, does anyone honestly think the outcome would've been the same?
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It wasn't just Churchills book.

From 1946 to '58, Allied commanders, with access to confidential military reports and correspondence, didn't mention mass-murders of inmates in German-operated camps:

(1) Winston Churchill, England's Prime Minister, in his 6 volume detailed memoir,

(2) Dwight Eisenhower, Supreme Allied European Commander, in writings and memoirs,

(3) Joseph Stalin, Soviet Dictator, in the book The Secret Dossier Prepared for Stalin from the Interrogations of Hitlers Personal Staff, and

(4) General DeGaulle, France's pre-war leader, who returned to lead in 1945.
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^This

Just an oversight, I'm sure. ;)
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It wasn't just Churchills book.

From 1946 to '58, Allied commanders, with access to confidential military reports and correspondence, didn't mention mass-murders of inmates in German-operated camps:

(1) Winston Churchill, England's Prime Minister, in his 6 volume detailed memoir,

(2) Dwight Eisenhower, Supreme Allied European Commander, in writings and memoirs,

(3) Joseph Stalin, Soviet Dictator, in the book The Secret Dossier Prepared for Stalin from the Interrogations of Hitlers Personal Staff, and

(4) General DeGaulle, France's pre-war leader, who returned to lead in 1945.
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They didnt know the intended agenda yet; that such a narrative would be very lucrative to future generations of a certain faction.
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"Now this has the form of a myth, but really signifies a declination of the bodies moving in the heavens around the earth,..." -Plato 360 BC.

"Then he secretly prayed to Mercury, whom the teaching of the theologians stated to be the swift intelligence of the universe, arousing the activity of men's minds;.." A. Marcellinus, 4th century ce.

"Great minds never love to linger long in the body: they are eager to burst its bonds and escape from it, they chafe at the narrowness of their prison, having been wont to wander through space, and from aloft in the upper air to look down with contempt upon human affairs."-Seneca
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Educated Redneck, I recall you poo-pooing Holocaust deniers in previous threads.

Here's a question...

Why -- in Winston Churchill's 6-volume history of World War 2 written between 1948 and 1953 -- were German death camps never mentioned? Surely something as grotesquely barbaric, politically earth-shattering, the purported attempted extermination of God's chosen people from whom our own religion -- Christianity -- was born.... Surely that would warrant 1 page. Maybe 2? At least a paragraph, no?
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Are you asking for recommended reading on the Holocaust? Because I certainly can't tell you what is or isn't in some 6 volume set I've never read. Since it is by Churchill I would imagine it is focused on Britain and WWII and wouldn't include such things. And really I'm sure you think this is some meaningful 'gotcha' question... but really it is stupid.

Now if you aren't just another Holocaust denying neoNazi and want to learn I would pick something by Raul Hilberg or maybe something more recent by Israel Gutman and Robert Rozett.

And if you are just a Holocaust denier trolling me as I suspect... well good luck finding the mother of your future child at the upcoming family reunion. I'm sure you will be very happy together.

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It wasn't just Churchills book.

From 1946 to '58, Allied commanders, with access to confidential military reports and correspondence, didn't mention mass-murders of inmates in German-operated camps:

(1) Winston Churchill, England's Prime Minister, in his 6 volume detailed memoir,

(2) Dwight Eisenhower, Supreme Allied European Commander, in writings and memoirs,

(3) Joseph Stalin, Soviet Dictator, in the book The Secret Dossier Prepared for Stalin from the Interrogations of Hitlers Personal Staff, and

(4) General DeGaulle, France's pre-war leader, who returned to lead in 1945.
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They didnt know the intended agenda yet; that such a narrative would be very lucrative to future generations of a certain faction.
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Educated Redneck, I recall you poo-pooing Holocaust deniers in previous threads.

Here's a question...

Why -- in Winston Churchill's 6-volume history of World War 2 written between 1948 and 1953 -- were German death camps never mentioned? Surely something as grotesquely barbaric, politically earth-shattering, the purported attempted extermination of God's chosen people from whom our own religion -- Christianity -- was born.... Surely that would warrant 1 page. Maybe 2? At least a paragraph, no?
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Are you asking for recommended reading on the Holocaust? Because I certainly can't tell you what is or isn't in some 6 volume set I've never read. Since it is by Churchill I would imagine it is focused on Britain and WWII and wouldn't include such things. And really I'm sure you think this is some meaningful 'gotcha' question... but really it is stupid.

Now if you aren't just another Holocaust denying neoNazi and want to learn I would pick something by Raul Hilberg or maybe something more recent by Israel Gutman and Robert Rozett.

And if you are just a Holocaust denier trolling me as I suspect... well good luck finding the mother of your future child at the upcoming family reunion. I'm sure you will be very happy together.

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The classic ad hominem, followed by the snide character assassination.

The names of those authors may be an indicator of biasness.
"I am all that has been, and is, and shall be, and my robe no mortal has yet uncovered." -Isis/Athena

"Now this has the form of a myth, but really signifies a declination of the bodies moving in the heavens around the earth,..." -Plato 360 BC.

"Then he secretly prayed to Mercury, whom the teaching of the theologians stated to be the swift intelligence of the universe, arousing the activity of men's minds;.." A. Marcellinus, 4th century ce.

"Great minds never love to linger long in the body: they are eager to burst its bonds and escape from it, they chafe at the narrowness of their prison, having been wont to wander through space, and from aloft in the upper air to look down with contempt upon human affairs."-Seneca
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Let's not forget Germany was bound by treaty to a much smaller army after ww1 as well. To diminish the problem, their entire army was trained as nco's with each man being qualified to lead squads and larger units. In effect, Germany created an entire army of leaders and trainers that could quickly draft and train men as solid soldiers thus forming cohesive units rapidly.

No doubt the Russian front was their Waterloo. Russia should get lots of credit for Germany's loss. It should be noted that Germans were good soldiers. When properly supplied, they had a tendency to win.

All that changed when the 8th Air Force landed in Britain and started bombing the hell out of Germans by day and britts killing jerry by night. No armored force and it's spare parts could have survived. Successful landings at d-day spelled the fate of Germany. Moving all panzer units west of the Rhine would have been more of a turkey shoot for the 8th Air Force.

Us war fighting doctrine was superior as well. Most German armed forces fought as separate forces with their own objectives. Us war fighting doctrine evolved into combined arms fight the same or similar mission.

There are many reasons Germany lost the war including being separated by vast oceans from the United States. Which allowed us to produce war machines and equipment at an alarming rate virtually unhendered. Thus as we built our forces and readied them for combat, we were able to use the lend lease program to make up for deficiencies in Russia and Britain.
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And don't forget these reasons...

1) U.S. and Britain waged TOTAL WAR on Germany, which meant destroying everything; not just military targets. Dresden wasn't the only glaring example. Hamburg, Frankfurt, Berlin were firebombed into rubble (and the burned flesh of civilians).

2) Without doubt, the Soviets defeated Germany in WWII. If Germany only fought a war on its western front, does anyone honestly think the outcome would've been the same?
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If there was no Russian front and Britton wouldn't have allowed the staging of invasion forces and prevented the 8th Air Force from clobbering Hitler's armored forces, probably, yes but that's a lot what if's.

Also, carpet bombing cities destroyed and hampered war building and supply efforts while breaking the will of enemies. It did however provide Germans with excellent ambush points and made street to street fighting more costly for the allies.
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It wasn't just Churchills book.

From 1946 to '58, Allied commanders, with access to confidential military reports and correspondence, didn't mention mass-murders of inmates in German-operated camps:

(1) Winston Churchill, England's Prime Minister, in his 6 volume detailed memoir,

(2) Dwight Eisenhower, Supreme Allied European Commander, in writings and memoirs,

(3) Joseph Stalin, Soviet Dictator, in the book The Secret Dossier Prepared for Stalin from the Interrogations of Hitlers Personal Staff, and

(4) General DeGaulle, France's pre-war leader, who returned to lead in 1945.
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They didnt know the intended agenda yet; that such a narrative would be very lucrative to future generations of a certain faction.
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hesright
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Perhaps they were still a little salty after reading Cassius Dio, book 68. And were in no mood to help those who owned the media, banks, ect..

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"Now this has the form of a myth, but really signifies a declination of the bodies moving in the heavens around the earth,..." -Plato 360 BC.

"Then he secretly prayed to Mercury, whom the teaching of the theologians stated to be the swift intelligence of the universe, arousing the activity of men's minds;.." A. Marcellinus, 4th century ce.

"Great minds never love to linger long in the body: they are eager to burst its bonds and escape from it, they chafe at the narrowness of their prison, having been wont to wander through space, and from aloft in the upper air to look down with contempt upon human affairs."-Seneca
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Are you asking for recommended reading on the Holocaust? Because I certainly can't tell you what is or isn't in some 6 volume set I've never read. Since it is by Churchill I would imagine it is focused on Britain and WWII and wouldn't include such things. And really I'm sure you think this is some meaningful 'gotcha' question... but really it is stupid.

Now if you aren't just another Holocaust denying neoNazi and want to learn I would pick something by Raul Hilberg or maybe something more recent by Israel Gutman and Robert Rozett.

And if you are just a Holocaust denier trolling me as I suspect... well good luck finding the mother of your future child at the upcoming family reunion. I'm sure you will be very happy together.

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The classic ad hominem, followed by the snide character assassination.

The names of those authors may be an indicator of biasness.
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History Lyin

Sorry dude, but he was just a Holocaust denier, one of the lower forms of life on this planet and he deserves a little fun poked at him.

A serious answer isn't hard to find. "Churchill himself insisted that the volumes were memoirs: "This is not history—this is my case"—his "life effort," in which he was "content to be judged."

So clearly the 6 volume set wasn't to cover every single thing that happened during the war and Churchill considered these to be his memoirs and not a complete history of WWII.

And really I've read many WWII books and watched documentaries that don't talk about the camps either.... but the camps weren't the subject so it made sense.

Which camp did Churchill liberate? None.

Which camp would play a pivotal role in the beginning, middle or end of WWII from a British/Churchill centered perspective? Again none.

Isn't it kind of silly to talk about why something wasn't in a 6 volume set published 60 years ago when we really wouldn't expect it to be in that 6 volume set?
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Educated Redneck, I recall you poo-pooing Holocaust deniers in previous threads.

Here's a question...

Why -- in Winston Churchill's 6-volume history of World War 2 written between 1948 and 1953 -- were German death camps never mentioned? Surely something as grotesquely barbaric, politically earth-shattering, the purported attempted extermination of God's chosen people from whom our own religion -- Christianity -- was born.... Surely that would warrant 1 page. Maybe 2? At least a paragraph, no?
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Are you asking for recommended reading on the Holocaust? Because I certainly can't tell you what is or isn't in some 6 volume set I've never read. Since it is by Churchill I would imagine it is focused on Britain and WWII and wouldn't include such things. And really I'm sure you think this is some meaningful 'gotcha' question... but really it is stupid.

Now if you aren't just another Holocaust denying neoNazi and want to learn I would pick something by Raul Hilberg or maybe something more recent by Israel Gutman and Robert Rozett.

And if you are just a Holocaust denier trolling me as I suspect... well good luck finding the mother of your future child at the upcoming family reunion. I'm sure you will be very happy together.
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1) Asking you for recommended reading?? Lol A second grader wouldn't mistake that for my direct line of questioning to you.

2) You've made it a "gotcha" question by your reluctance to answer. Then, when pressed, you resort to misdirection and ad hominem attacks. Not very convincing from an intellectual standpoint.

3) Why must one be a "neo-Nazi" for merely observing and pointing out facts? There's no emotion behind it. No love, no hate. Simply: A claim has been made and billions of dollars have been spent in various venues to bolster the claim that 6 million Juuus were exterminated in German "death camps" during WW2. Putting aside the fact that manual labor to many Juuus must SEEM like death, there is zero evidence to support this claim. And isn't it peculiar that, as a previous poster revealed, four of the most significant Allied leaders in WWII failed to mention German death camps in their extensive post-war writings?
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Are you asking for recommended reading on the Holocaust? Because I certainly can't tell you what is or isn't in some 6 volume set I've never read. Since it is by Churchill I would imagine it is focused on Britain and WWII and wouldn't include such things. And really I'm sure you think this is some meaningful 'gotcha' question... but really it is stupid.

Now if you aren't just another Holocaust denying neoNazi and want to learn I would pick something by Raul Hilberg or maybe something more recent by Israel Gutman and Robert Rozett.

And if you are just a Holocaust denier trolling me as I suspect... well good luck finding the mother of your future child at the upcoming family reunion. I'm sure you will be very happy together.

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The classic ad hominem, followed by the snide character assassination.

The names of those authors may be an indicator of biasness.
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History Lyin

Sorry dude, but he was just a Holocaust denier, one of the lower forms of life on this planet and he deserves a little fun poked at him.

A serious answer isn't hard to find. "Churchill himself insisted that the volumes were memoirs: "This is not history—this is my case"—his "life effort," in which he was "content to be judged."

So clearly the 6 volume set wasn't to cover every single thing that happened during the war and Churchill considered these to be his memoirs and not a complete history of WWII.

And really I've read many WWII books and watched documentaries that don't talk about the camps either.... but the camps weren't the subject so it made sense.

Which camp did Churchill liberate? None.

Which camp would play a pivotal role in the beginning, middle or end of WWII from a British/Churchill centered perspective? Again none.

Isn't it kind of silly to talk about why something wasn't in a 6 volume set published 60 years ago when we really wouldn't expect it to be in that 6 volume set?
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Every honest, unbiased person would expect it to be in that 6-volume set. As a matter of fact, due to all the hoopla associated with the propagation of the claim, a rational, logical person would expect at least an entire chapter dedicated to the alleged attempt by Germany to exterminate an entire people; particularly one in whose religion rests the foundation of Christianity, the very edifice upon which most of the last two millennia of western civilization has been built.
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Are you asking for recommended reading on the Holocaust? Because I certainly can't tell you what is or isn't in some 6 volume set I've never read. Since it is by Churchill I would imagine it is focused on Britain and WWII and wouldn't include such things. And really I'm sure you think this is some meaningful 'gotcha' question... but really it is stupid.

Now if you aren't just another Holocaust denying neoNazi and want to learn I would pick something by Raul Hilberg or maybe something more recent by Israel Gutman and Robert Rozett.

And if you are just a Holocaust denier trolling me as I suspect... well good luck finding the mother of your future child at the upcoming family reunion. I'm sure you will be very happy together.

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The classic ad hominem, followed by the snide character assassination.

The names of those authors may be an indicator of biasness.
 Quoting: History Lion


History Lyin

Sorry dude, but he was just a Holocaust denier, one of the lower forms of life on this planet and he deserves a little fun poked at him.

A serious answer isn't hard to find. "Churchill himself insisted that the volumes were memoirs: "This is not history—this is my case"—his "life effort," in which he was "content to be judged."

So clearly the 6 volume set wasn't to cover every single thing that happened during the war and Churchill considered these to be his memoirs and not a complete history of WWII.

And really I've read many WWII books and watched documentaries that don't talk about the camps either.... but the camps weren't the subject so it made sense.

Which camp did Churchill liberate? None.

Which camp would play a pivotal role in the beginning, middle or end of WWII from a British/Churchill centered perspective? Again none.

Isn't it kind of silly to talk about why something wasn't in a 6 volume set published 60 years ago when we really wouldn't expect it to be in that 6 volume set?
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I understand your stance, however, every war is a Holocaust for human beings. Around 70 million people died in WW2, yet no one remembers those 64 million who died in numerous horrible ways? How did their descendants profit? How did they gain political influence by being immune to the scrutiny of recognized patterns of excessive and self-serving bias influence?

Again: every war is a holocaust; an attack on life. No faction has the right to monopolize sorrow, while in the process, to devalue and cast a shadow on the suffering of a far larger multitude.

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LOL, I figured you were one of those.

Nazi Germany had less unemployment than most nations in the 1930s... but they didn't have that high of a standard of living and far from best in the world. Due to rearmament and lack of natural resources Germany had huge trade deficits so few foreign goods were available which included many food products. German citizens lived better than Soviet citizens... but that really isn't saying much.

Also Hitler was not so loved. Neither Hitler nor his Nazi party ever won a free election. Never. And while the Nazis claimed to be national socialists as soon as they took office they created the fascist police state of Nazi Germany with Adolf Hitler as absolute dictator and the citizens of Germany lost all their civil rights.

Within Hitler's first 30 days in office he passed the Reichstag Fire Decree which took away the rights of the people. After February 27th, 1933 the people of Germany no longer had the right to speak freely, the right to privacy, rights against search and seizure of property, the right to assembly or the right to private communications be it mail, phone or telegraph. Political parties other than the Nazis were outlawed with many political leaders put in the early concentration camps. The police state of Nazi Germany was born.

Then in Hitler's next 30 days in office he passed the Enabling Act of 1933 which made Hitler absolute dictator of Nazi Germany. The Reichstag no longer had to approve laws and in fact from 1933 to 1945 the Reichstag only met a handful of times.

Adolf Hitler lived as royalty while the people of Germany had no rights... and you think Hitler was loved???
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They absolutely did. The U.S. was still wallowing in the aftermath of the Great Depression, with waves of recessions sweeping up get the unemployed masses.

Hitler was absolutely loved by most Germans. Which world leader do you surmise had a higher "approval rating" from his people? I dare you to try to name one. And the reason most Germans loved him is because he turned the economy around in two years and Germans' lives got exponentially better.
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Did German citizens lives actually get exponentially better? Prove it.

Here is the text of the Reichstag Fire Decree which was never lifted.

Order of the Reich President for the Protection of People and State

On the basis of Article 48 paragraph 2 of the Constitution of the German Reich, the following is ordered in defense against Communist state-endangering acts of violence:

§ 1. Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124 and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. It is therefore permissible to restrict the rights of personal freedom [habeas corpus], freedom of (opinion) expression, including the freedom of the press, the freedom to organize and assemble, the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications. Warrants for House searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.
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So German citizens lost their civil rights and could be spied on, searched or jailed without anyone able to stop it. The citizens had no rights.

Maybe they could keep their mouths shut and vote the Nazis out of power? Nope, all the other political parties were banned. You were not allowed to speak positively about your candidate (other candidates were not allowed anyway) or speak negatively about any Nazi candidate.

Large numbers of Germans fled Germany in the 1930s and not just for religious reasons. Those who didn't flee bought Mein Kampf and put Hitler's picture on their wall trying to be good little Nazis.

The large rearmament projects stimulated the economy and provided jobs with many of these jobs held by people wouldn't survive to 1945. They didn't have many options in food or clothing.

You think the German citizens were too stupid to realize the meaning of the Reichstag Fire Decree and Enabling Act? It meant they had lost their country to the Nazis who were not popular and couldn't win an election!
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Thanks for telling me that Christianity was born in Germany. The number of facts I learn on this site is simply astounding. Keep it up and God Bless You!
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Oh please the krauts, Especially the SS couldnt even eliminate the Polish resistance fighters. They couldn't even defend an entire coastal front when they knew the allies here close to doing something. They couldn't handle fighting against Soviet troops at the eastern front... all they had to do was take Stalingrad...that's it, war would've been over for the soviets.
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Hitler was Germany's worst enemy, there's no mistake about that. But that doesn't change the fact that the Wehrmacht was the greatest fighting force that ever existed, for they took on the Allies and the Russian Bear at the same time, and nearly won had it not been for Hitler's mental illness:


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Hitler wasn't Germany's worst enemy the khazars were
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Every honest, unbiased person would expect it to be in that 6-volume set. As a matter of fact, due to all the hoopla associated with the propagation of the claim, a rational, logical person would expect at least an entire chapter dedicated to the alleged attempt by Germany to exterminate an entire people; particularly one in whose religion rests the foundation of Christianity, the very edifice upon which most of the last two millennia of western civilization has been built.
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Don't be stupid, no one would expect Churchill to write about the Holocaust or the camps in his personal memoirs. These were written from the perspective of the head of state of one of the major participants of the war. I realize the Holocaust denier web sites and YouTube videos make a big deal about it, but like most Holocaust deniers they are too stupid to realize Churchill didn't write the definitive 6 volume set on WWII and Europe. He wrote his memoirs, how the war played out from the British perspective, his personal perspective.

You do realize there are thousands of books on WWII that also have zero mention of the Holocaust or the camps?? They talk about battles and weapons, the heads of state, the generals and the soldiers.... but not about other things going on at the time. I enjoy the books of David Glantz on WWII. He is a military historian and gets into almost too much detail at times.... but he doesn't talk about the camps because they played no role in the subject he is writing about.

Now please, crawl back under your rock and if you come out again try to learn something and not say such stupid things.
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I understand your stance, however, every war is a Holocaust for human beings. Around 70 million people died in WW2, yet no one remembers those 64 million who died in numerous horrible ways? How did their descendants profit? How did they gain political influence by being immune to the scrutiny of recognized patterns of excessive and self-serving bias influence?

Again: every war is a holocaust; an attack on life. No faction has the right to monopolize sorrow, while in the process, to devalue and cast a shadow on the suffering of a far larger multitude.
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History Lyin,

So you are talking about how no faction has the right to monopolize sorrow in the same post where others are talking about how any mention of the Holocaust was left out of the memoirs of Churchill and other leaders?

So now you guys are complaining both about how it wasn't mentioned by Churchill and how it monopolizes the subject. Silly Holocaust deniers! LMAO

No one remembers the other 64 million souls who died?

Seriously?

Find a friend who actually knows something about history and get them to show you all the remembrances for the WWII dead in nations around the world. There is a film about Dunkirk that was the topic when this thread started which will highlight those who died trying to save France and those who died defending against attacking Germans during the evacuation.

The Soviets also remember the 2.8 million Red Army POWs that were murdered by the German army after surrendering in the first months after the German invasion.

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I understand your stance, however, every war is a Holocaust for human beings. Around 70 million people died in WW2, yet no one remembers those 64 million who died in numerous horrible ways? How did their descendants profit? How did they gain political influence by being immune to the scrutiny of recognized patterns of excessive and self-serving bias influence?

Again: every war is a holocaust; an attack on life. No faction has the right to monopolize sorrow, while in the process, to devalue and cast a shadow on the suffering of a far larger multitude.
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History Lyin,

So you are talking about how no faction has the right to monopolize sorrow in the same post where others are talking about how any mention of the Holocaust was left out of the memoirs of Churchill and other leaders?

So now you guys are complaining both about how it wasn't mentioned by Churchill and how it monopolizes the subject. Silly Holocaust deniers! LMAO

No one remembers the other 64 million souls who died?

Seriously?

Find a friend who actually knows something about history and get them to show you all the remembrances for the WWII dead in nations around the world. There is a film about Dunkirk that was the topic when this thread started which will highlight those who died trying to save France and those who died defending against attacking Germans during the evacuation.

The Soviets also remember the 2.8 million Red Army POWs that were murdered by the German army after surrendering in the first months after the German invasion.

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You are weaving a labyrinth of entangled arguments. Stop pretending the victims of the WW2 holocaust are the only group to suffer throughout history.

Sure we erect monuments and give a special day in remembrance, but warfare and death is the pattern of human behavior. How many hundreds of millions of people have suffered holocausts throughout history? How many profit from it?

The largest criers in the modern times are the ones that prevent investigation into what really happened. I dont deny a holocaust took place, but I do deny the projected value of such a holocaust in regards to casting a shadow on histories victims, which number in the hundreds of millions.

Step aside, you're blocking my view of the suffering experienced by countless other humans. Lets it rest. Stop riding the coat-tails of the dead-into prosperity.
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I understand your stance, however, every war is a Holocaust for human beings. Around 70 million people died in WW2, yet no one remembers those 64 million who died in numerous horrible ways? How did their descendants profit? How did they gain political influence by being immune to the scrutiny of recognized patterns of excessive and self-serving bias influence?

Again: every war is a holocaust; an attack on life. No faction has the right to monopolize sorrow, while in the process, to devalue and cast a shadow on the suffering of a far larger multitude.
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History Lyin,

So you are talking about how no faction has the right to monopolize sorrow in the same post where others are talking about how any mention of the Holocaust was left out of the memoirs of Churchill and other leaders?

So now you guys are complaining both about how it wasn't mentioned by Churchill and how it monopolizes the subject. Silly Holocaust deniers! LMAO

No one remembers the other 64 million souls who died?

Seriously?

Find a friend who actually knows something about history and get them to show you all the remembrances for the WWII dead in nations around the world. There is a film about Dunkirk that was the topic when this thread started which will highlight those who died trying to save France and those who died defending against attacking Germans during the evacuation.

The Soviets also remember the 2.8 million Red Army POWs that were murdered by the German army after surrendering in the first months after the German invasion.

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 Quoting: Educated Redneck


You are weaving a labyrinth of entangled arguments. Stop pretending the victims of the WW2 holocaust are the only group to suffer throughout history.
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Isn't that a stupid thing to say in response to my detailing another group of millions who suffered at the hands of the Nazis???

(shaking my head)

Sure we erect monuments and give a special day in remembrance, but warfare and death is the pattern of human behavior. How many hundreds of millions of people have suffered holocausts throughout history? How many profit from it?

The largest criers in the modern times are the ones that prevent investigation into what really happened. I dont deny a holocaust took place, but I do deny the projected value of such a holocaust in regards to casting a shadow on histories victims, which number in the hundreds of millions.

Step aside, you're blocking my view of the suffering experienced by countless other humans. Lets it rest. Stop riding the coat-tails of the dead-into prosperity.
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You really don't know anything about history do you?

Why don't you go and watch the movie Dunkirk and then you can complain about how the Holocaust dominates over those who suffered in the failed Battle of France and evacuation of Dunkirk while at the same time you can complain how suspicious it is the movie Dunkirk doesn't talk about the Holocaust or the camps. You seem to want to have it both way so you can continue lyin about history, oh History Lyin.

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