## Challenge to Globe earthers. | |

The Gentle AstromutSenior Forum Moderator 07/17/2017 11:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...It's not gibberish, it IS in layman terms. If you don't understand it then you really need to go back to school. But given your propensity to lie, there is no point in discussing it with you further. You knew the answer to start with in your thread and lied about it. The Gentle Astromut obviously intelligent you can explain it cant you? come on, surely you can deduce it to one or two paragraphs. didnt einstien say that if you cant explain something in a simple manner, it means you have no understanding of it. Anonymous Coward 75239647 Sure, I can explain it simply, I simply don't care to discuss it further with you. You have proven yourself to be dishonest and there is no point in discussing the fact that a torsion balance demonstrates gravity even between relatively small objects on earth.The Gentle Astromut oh ok... I am a liar because I dont give a damn for fantasy math when common sense says that if I decrease centrifugal force by 100% I should experience increase of 100% or atleast 50% in gravity. common sense logic, thats the basis of the OP not fantasy math. Anonymous Coward 75239647 Math is not a "fantasy," your OP has been debunked and furthermore, you have admitted you knew the true number when you created this thread. "Common sense" does not factor into it, reality does not care what your assumptions or "common sense" tells you. |

Anonymous Coward User ID: 70186654 United States 07/17/2017 11:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...Your post seems to be based on the premise of gravity NOT being a form of electro-magnetic connection. Everything is made of different wavelenghts of electromagnetic radiation (and also emits emf radiation in the form of light) so to assume 'gravity' is not electromagnetic attraction then your post would be mind opening. Anonymous Coward 75080743 fine, lets assume gravity is electro magnetism, why is it not way stronger at the poles since at the poles there is no centrifugal force??? Anonymous Coward 75239647 Stronger at the poles? Yes. Way stronger? Well, no. At the equator where the velocity is greatest, 1,700 km per hour, the corresponding acceleration induced by earth's rotation is equal to v^2/r where v = 1,700 km per hour and r = 6,378,000 m. Converting that to meters per second you get v = 472.222 m/s, so the acceleration would be 0.03 m/s^2. Earth's gravity provides an acceleration of about 9.8 m/s^2, so the amount it is offset by earth's rotation is essentially negligible. The difference between the equator and the poles is quite small. Do the math yourself, here's a calculator: [link to www.calctool.org] The Gentle Astromut yeah I know the official number - 0.5% less gravity. BULLSHIT! 100% less centrifugal force = 0.5% gravity? only in equation fantasy land, not real world. Anonymous Coward 75239647 So you don't understand math then. Got it. |

The Gentle AstromutSenior Forum Moderator 07/17/2017 11:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the calculated max centrifugal force at the equator is less than 1/2 of 1 percent of gravity. And the difference in gravity HAS been measured. Anonymous Coward 70186654 I never said it hasnt. I showed using COMMON SENSE LOGIC that it should be 100% - 50% more gravity, not by fantasy math. Anonymous Coward 75239647 The only thing you have shown is that your opening post was a lie and you knew it to be so when you made it. |

MaybeTrollingUUser ID: 75241400 Brazil 07/17/2017 11:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the calculated max centrifugal force at the equator is less than 1/2 of 1 percent of gravity. And the difference in gravity HAS been measured. Anonymous Coward 70186654 I never said it hasnt. I showed using COMMON SENSE LOGIC that it should be 100% - 50% more gravity, not by fantasy math. Anonymous Coward 75239647 Common sense logic... care to elaborate on what that is? Because by common sense logic, you are a retard. |

Anonymous Coward (OP)User ID: 75239647 Israel 07/17/2017 11:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...You claimed in your opening post the number was between 50-100% difference in gravity between the poles and equator. You knew the math showed a dramatically different number was to be expected. The math is an actual description of reality. You are a liar. You are dismissed. Anonymous Coward 75239647 the math says... the math says the holy math says! well we can make holy math say what ever we want in fantasy land! 100% less centrifuge doesnt account for only 0.5% increase in gravity in the world of COMMON SENSE LOGIC!!! you see my OP?! its based on COMMEN SENSE LOGIC! not fantasy math. OP STILL CORRECT! The Gentle Astromut Sure! OP is still correct! LOL!!! Anonymous Coward 75239647 fyi... tesla had the same arguments against the math cultists who settled for their math to say what ever is completely illogical and can never be demonstrated in real life experiments. |

The Gentle AstromutSenior Forum Moderator 07/17/2017 11:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the math says... the math says the holy math says! Quoting: well we can make holy math say what ever we want in fantasy land! 100% less centrifuge doesnt account for only 0.5% increase in gravity in the world of COMMON SENSE LOGIC!!! you see my OP?! its based on COMMEN SENSE LOGIC! not fantasy math. OP STILL CORRECT! Anonymous Coward 75239647 Danth's law. |

Anonymous Coward (OP)User ID: 75239647 Israel 07/17/2017 11:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...obviously intelligent you can explain it cant you? come on, surely you can deduce it to one or two paragraphs. didnt einstien say that if you cant explain something in a simple manner, it means you have no understanding of it. Anonymous Coward 75239647 Sure, I can explain it simply, I simply don't care to discuss it further with you. You have proven yourself to be dishonest and there is no point in discussing the fact that a torsion balance demonstrates gravity even between relatively small objects on earth.The Gentle Astromut oh ok... I am a liar because I dont give a damn for fantasy math when common sense says that if I decrease centrifugal force by 100% I should experience increase of 100% or atleast 50% in gravity. common sense logic, thats the basis of the OP not fantasy math. Anonymous Coward 75239647 Math is not a "fantasy," your OP has been debunked and furthermore, you have admitted you knew the true number when you created this thread. "Common sense" does not factor into it, reality does not care what your assumptions or "common sense" tells you. The Gentle Astromut heres reality for you... water dont shoot out from the poles of wet ball despite your magical holy math saying gravity should only be 0.5% stronger at the poles of the wet ball. reality dude... reality. |

The Rickest Rick SanchezSometimes science is more art than science. User ID: 73168454 United States 07/17/2017 11:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Spin your tennis ball at the rate of 1 revolution per day and tell me how much water flies off. The Rickest Rick Sanchez comments are meant for entertainment purposes only and should not be construed to reflect the feelings and opinions, implied or expressed, of the author. |

Anonymous Coward (OP)User ID: 75239647 Israel 07/17/2017 11:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |

The Gentle AstromutSenior Forum Moderator 07/17/2017 11:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...Sure, I can explain it simply, I simply don't care to discuss it further with you. You have proven yourself to be dishonest and there is no point in discussing the fact that a torsion balance demonstrates gravity even between relatively small objects on earth.The Gentle Astromut oh ok... I am a liar because I dont give a damn for fantasy math when common sense says that if I decrease centrifugal force by 100% I should experience increase of 100% or atleast 50% in gravity. common sense logic, thats the basis of the OP not fantasy math. Anonymous Coward 75239647 Math is not a "fantasy," your OP has been debunked and furthermore, you have admitted you knew the true number when you created this thread. "Common sense" does not factor into it, reality does not care what your assumptions or "common sense" tells you. The Gentle Astromut heres reality for you... water dont shoot out from the poles of wet ball despite your magical holy math saying gravity should only be 0.5% stronger at the poles of the wet ball. reality dude... reality. Anonymous Coward 75239647 There's no reason for water to "shoot out from the poles of wet ball" given earth's considerable gravity. That would go against gravity, of course. Your assumptive statements do not dictate reality and you know this, yet you lie anyway. Sorry troll, try again later. |

Anonymous Coward User ID: 70186654 United States 07/17/2017 11:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the calculated max centrifugal force at the equator is less than 1/2 of 1 percent of gravity. And the difference in gravity HAS been measured. Anonymous Coward 70186654 I never said it hasnt. I showed using COMMON SENSE LOGIC that it should be 100% - 50% more gravity, not by fantasy math. Anonymous Coward 75239647 And you were wrong. Gravity = 9.8 meters per second squared. 100% of the cetrifugal force is less then 1/2 of 1% of gravity. Take it all away and you won't have 100% - 50% more gravity. does basic addition and subtraction confuse you? |

The Rickest Rick SanchezSometimes science is more art than science. User ID: 73168454 United States 07/17/2017 11:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Spin your tennis ball at the rate of 1 revolution per day and tell me how much water flies off. Quoting: The Rickest Rick Sanchez I'll wait OP. Dying to see the results. The Rickest Rick Sanchez comments are meant for entertainment purposes only and should not be construed to reflect the feelings and opinions, implied or expressed, of the author. |

Anonymous Coward (OP)User ID: 75239647 Israel 07/17/2017 11:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |

The Gentle AstromutSenior Forum Moderator 07/17/2017 11:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the calculated max centrifugal force at the equator is less than 1/2 of 1 percent of gravity. And the difference in gravity HAS been measured. Anonymous Coward 70186654 I never said it hasnt. I showed using COMMON SENSE LOGIC that it should be 100% - 50% more gravity, not by fantasy math. Anonymous Coward 75239647 And you were wrong. Gravity = 9.8 meters per second squared. 100% of the cetrifugal force is less then 1/2 of 1% of gravity. Take it all away and you won't have 100% - 50% more gravity. does basic addition and subtraction confuse you? Anonymous Coward 70186654 Anything involving math is automatically "fantasy" to him because he thinks Tesla told him he could sleep through his math and science classes and still be able to refute all of known science and reality. |

Anonymous Coward User ID: 70186654 United States 07/17/2017 11:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Spin your tennis ball at the rate of 1 revolution per day and tell me how much water flies off. Quoting: :optard: The Rickest Rick Sanchez all of it due to density and bouyancy acting before the effect can be prounounced. still doesnt explain why no water fly off from the poles Anonymous Coward 75239647 density and buoyancy are not vectors. They don't have direction. Gravity gives items weight and DOES provide a direction. It still works even if you don't understand it. |

Anonymous Coward (OP)User ID: 75239647 Israel 07/17/2017 11:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the calculated max centrifugal force at the equator is less than 1/2 of 1 percent of gravity. And the difference in gravity HAS been measured. Anonymous Coward 70186654 I never said it hasnt. I showed using COMMON SENSE LOGIC that it should be 100% - 50% more gravity, not by fantasy math. Anonymous Coward 75239647 And you were wrong. Gravity = 9.8 meters per second squared. 100% of the cetrifugal force is less then 1/2 of 1% of gravity. Take it all away and you won't have 100% - 50% more gravity. does basic addition and subtraction confuse you?Anonymous Coward 70186654 says who and how? |

Anonymous Coward User ID: 70186654 United States 07/17/2017 11:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...the calculated max centrifugal force at the equator is less than 1/2 of 1 percent of gravity. And the difference in gravity HAS been measured. Anonymous Coward 70186654 I never said it hasnt. I showed using COMMON SENSE LOGIC that it should be 100% - 50% more gravity, not by fantasy math. Anonymous Coward 75239647 And you were wrong. Gravity = 9.8 meters per second squared. 100% of the cetrifugal force is less then 1/2 of 1% of gravity. Take it all away and you won't have 100% - 50% more gravity. does basic addition and subtraction confuse you?Anonymous Coward 70186654 says who and how? Anonymous Coward 75239647 Says everyone that can do the math and the many that have measured the difference between the poles and equator. Just because YOU don't understand it doesn't mean everyone else has their head up their ass. |

Anonymous Coward (OP)User ID: 75239647 Israel 07/17/2017 11:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Spin your tennis ball at the rate of 1 revolution per day and tell me how much water flies off. Quoting: :optard: The Rickest Rick Sanchez all of it due to density and bouyancy acting before the effect can be prounounced. still doesnt explain why no water fly off from the poles Anonymous Coward 75239647 density and buoyancy are not vectors. They don't have direction. Gravity gives items weight and DOES provide a direction. It still works even if you don't understand it. Anonymous Coward 70186654 for some reason bouyancy and density take dense to the dense direction and light to the light direction. but these are not real directions, same with gravity though, there are no real directions in space! |

Anonymous Coward (OP)User ID: 75239647 Israel 07/17/2017 11:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...I never said it hasnt. I showed using COMMON SENSE LOGIC that it should be 100% - 50% more gravity, not by fantasy math. Anonymous Coward 75239647 And you were wrong. Gravity = 9.8 meters per second squared. 100% of the cetrifugal force is less then 1/2 of 1% of gravity. Take it all away and you won't have 100% - 50% more gravity. does basic addition and subtraction confuse you?Anonymous Coward 70186654 says who and how? Anonymous Coward 75239647 Says everyone that can do the math and the many that have measured the difference between the poles and equator. Just because YOU don't understand it doesn't mean everyone else has their head up their ass. Anonymous Coward 70186654 AAAHHH so thats your reality basis, not the math. FYI, it is easily explained by the FACT atmospheric air pressure is stornger in the north than in the south! but you need your FANTASY magic holy math to disregard this and see how you can push in your none existent spin and gravity. |

Anonymous Coward User ID: 70186654 United States 07/17/2017 11:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Spin your tennis ball at the rate of 1 revolution per day and tell me how much water flies off. Quoting: :optard: The Rickest Rick Sanchez all of it due to density and bouyancy acting before the effect can be prounounced. still doesnt explain why no water fly off from the poles Anonymous Coward 75239647 density and buoyancy are not vectors. They don't have direction. Gravity gives items weight and DOES provide a direction. It still works even if you don't understand it. Anonymous Coward 70186654 for some reason bouyancy and density take dense to the dense direction and light to the light direction. but these are not real directions, same with gravity though, there are no real directions in space! Anonymous Coward 75239647 I'm sure YOU thought that word salad meant something. Could we get a dumbass to English translator in here please? |

Anonymous Coward User ID: 75240880 Portugal 07/17/2017 11:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...the calculated max centrifugal force at the equator is less than 1/2 of 1 percent of gravity. And the difference in gravity HAS been measured. Anonymous Coward 70186654 I never said it hasnt. I showed using COMMON SENSE LOGIC that it should be 100% - 50% more gravity, not by fantasy math. Anonymous Coward 75239647 And you were wrong. Gravity = 9.8 meters per second squared. 100% of the cetrifugal force is less then 1/2 of 1% of gravity. Take it all away and you won't have 100% - 50% more gravity. does basic addition and subtraction confuse you? Anonymous Coward 70186654 Anything involving math is automatically "fantasy" to him because he thinks Tesla told him he could sleep through his math and science classes and still be able to refute all of known science and reality. :scienceclass: The Gentle Astromut The more funny is the flat brains are using Tesla to prove their non sense and yet, Tesla believed in a globe earth. |

Anonymous Coward (OP)User ID: 75239647 Israel 07/17/2017 11:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...the calculated max centrifugal force at the equator is less than 1/2 of 1 percent of gravity. And the difference in gravity HAS been measured. Anonymous Coward 70186654 I never said it hasnt. I showed using COMMON SENSE LOGIC that it should be 100% - 50% more gravity, not by fantasy math. Anonymous Coward 75239647 And you were wrong. Gravity = 9.8 meters per second squared. 100% of the cetrifugal force is less then 1/2 of 1% of gravity. Take it all away and you won't have 100% - 50% more gravity. does basic addition and subtraction confuse you? Anonymous Coward 70186654 Anything involving math is automatically "fantasy" to him because he thinks Tesla told him he could sleep through his math and science classes and still be able to refute all of known science and reality. :scienceclass: The Gentle Astromut astromut are you lying?? I think you are, cause you are smart enough to know I am only questioning the way you use your math in relation to reality, not in relation to itself. but you are suggesting Im questioning math in relation to math. |

Anonymous Coward User ID: 70186654 United States 07/17/2017 11:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...And you were wrong. Gravity = 9.8 meters per second squared. 100% of the cetrifugal force is less then 1/2 of 1% of gravity. Take it all away and you won't have 100% - 50% more gravity. does basic addition and subtraction confuse you?Anonymous Coward 70186654 says who and how? Anonymous Coward 75239647 Says everyone that can do the math and the many that have measured the difference between the poles and equator. Just because YOU don't understand it doesn't mean everyone else has their head up their ass. Anonymous Coward 70186654 AAAHHH so thats your reality basis, not the math. FYI, it is easily explained by the FACT atmospheric air pressure is stornger in the north than in the south! but you need your FANTASY magic holy math to disregard this and see how you can push in your none existent spin and gravity. Anonymous Coward 75239647 If air pressure caused weight then every one climbing mountains would be lighter. They are not. Air pressure decreases with altitude. That means there is always a greater air pressure on the BOTTOM of an object. If air pressure caused weight then everything would be getting pushed up. |

Anonymous Coward User ID: 75240880 Portugal 07/17/2017 11:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...I never said it hasnt. I showed using COMMON SENSE LOGIC that it should be 100% - 50% more gravity, not by fantasy math. Anonymous Coward 75239647 And you were wrong. Gravity = 9.8 meters per second squared. 100% of the cetrifugal force is less then 1/2 of 1% of gravity. Take it all away and you won't have 100% - 50% more gravity. does basic addition and subtraction confuse you? Anonymous Coward 70186654 Anything involving math is automatically "fantasy" to him because he thinks Tesla told him he could sleep through his math and science classes and still be able to refute all of known science and reality. :scienceclass: The Gentle Astromut The more funny is the flat brains are using Tesla to prove* their non sense and yet, Tesla believed in a globe earth. Anonymous Coward 75240880 *falsely prove |

Anonymous Coward (OP)User ID: 75239647 Israel 07/17/2017 11:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...I never said it hasnt. I showed using COMMON SENSE LOGIC that it should be 100% - 50% more gravity, not by fantasy math. Anonymous Coward 75239647 And you were wrong. Gravity = 9.8 meters per second squared. 100% of the cetrifugal force is less then 1/2 of 1% of gravity. Take it all away and you won't have 100% - 50% more gravity. does basic addition and subtraction confuse you? Anonymous Coward 70186654 Anything involving math is automatically "fantasy" to him because he thinks Tesla told him he could sleep through his math and science classes and still be able to refute all of known science and reality. :scienceclass: The Gentle Astromut The more funny is the flat brains are using Tesla to prove their non sense and yet, Tesla believed in a globe earth. Anonymous Coward 75240880 A) it doesnt really matter. B) Im quite sure he was a flat earther |

Anonymous Coward User ID: 75240880 Portugal 07/17/2017 11:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...And you were wrong. Gravity = 9.8 meters per second squared. 100% of the cetrifugal force is less then 1/2 of 1% of gravity. Take it all away and you won't have 100% - 50% more gravity. does basic addition and subtraction confuse you? Anonymous Coward 70186654 Anything involving math is automatically "fantasy" to him because he thinks Tesla told him he could sleep through his math and science classes and still be able to refute all of known science and reality. :scienceclass: The Gentle Astromut The more funny is the flat brains are using Tesla to prove their non sense and yet, Tesla believed in a globe earth. Anonymous Coward 75240880 A) it doesnt really matter. B) Im quite sure he was a flat earther Anonymous Coward 75239647 Again, you just proved I'm right. |

Nameless the DeplorableUser ID: 73740591 United States 07/17/2017 11:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...We did an experiment with centrifugal force and it would make sense on a concave earth. In theory, anyway. We are working on a flat earth model, it's the easiest one to replicate so far. We can't work out a spherical earth model. I told him we needed the vacuum of space to do it. Am I incorrect? Does anyone know of any experiment (computer or accomplished in a mini vacuum) I could use as a reference? -- -- Nameless the Deplorable Read my posts. Spherical earth works. Flat doesn't, for a wide variety of reasons I don't have time to list. The Gentle Astromut Obviously it works, we are on the earth. My question is are there any models or experiments I can use to show him how it works? The YouTube generation are watching these videos and we need to be able to counter them with something credible. Everyone on here is calling each other names and dismissing this as stupid, but it isn't stupid to ask questions and explain it to the younger generation. -- Nameless the Deplorable See, that's the thing, I came into this thread without name calling, simply giving him the facts, and immediately he resorts to shouting "bullshit" in reply and accidentally reveals he knew the truth to start with and chose to cover it up and forge the figure he gave to start with. There is no reasoning with unreasonable people. All the YouTube videos and models in the world will not change that. The best we can do is teach the younger generation the fundamentals of math and science so that they have the toolset needed to see through the lies and disprove it themselves. The Gentle Astromut I just wish we had something visual we could show them. I was sincerely hoping someone here had a model I could use. 'If you're going through Hell, keep going." -Winston Churchill "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke |

Anonymous Coward (OP)User ID: 75239647 Israel 07/17/2017 11:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Says everyone that can do the math and the many that have measured the difference between the poles and equator. Just because YOU don't understand it doesn't mean everyone else has their head up their ass. Anonymous Coward 70186654 AAAHHH so thats your reality basis, not the math. FYI, it is easily explained by the FACT atmospheric air pressure is stornger in the north than in the south! but you need your FANTASY magic holy math to disregard this and see how you can push in your none existent spin and gravity. Anonymous Coward 75239647 If air pressure caused weight then every one climbing mountains would be lighter. They are not.Air pressure decreases with altitude. That means there is always a greater air pressure on the BOTTOM of an object. If air pressure caused weight then everything would be getting pushed up. Anonymous Coward 70186654 got any evidence? yes... if the object is lighter than air it would be pushed up. but since we are denser than air, air pressure at the north pole, only accounts for I GUESS only 0.5% increase in weight? that is IF what you are saying is true, that actual measurements were used to measure this 0.5% increase and not just math with no observation in reality. |

The Gentle AstromutSenior Forum Moderator 07/17/2017 11:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...I never said it hasnt. I showed using COMMON SENSE LOGIC that it should be 100% - 50% more gravity, not by fantasy math. Anonymous Coward 75239647 And you were wrong. Gravity = 9.8 meters per second squared. 100% of the cetrifugal force is less then 1/2 of 1% of gravity. Take it all away and you won't have 100% - 50% more gravity. does basic addition and subtraction confuse you? Anonymous Coward 70186654 Anything involving math is automatically "fantasy" to him because he thinks Tesla told him he could sleep through his math and science classes and still be able to refute all of known science and reality. The Gentle Astromut astromut are you lying?? I think you are, cause you are smart enough to know I am only questioning the way you use your math in relation to reality, not in relation to itself. but you are suggesting Im questioning math in relation to math. Anonymous Coward 75239647 No, I'm not lying. I never said you were trying to refute the math properly, in fact I demanded you show where my math is wrong. You won't and you can't, because it's right. It does describe reality whether you're willing to admit it or not. I would suggest you refrain from accusing me of lying without something to back it up, but honestly I don't care if you get yourself banned or not. |

Anonymous Coward User ID: 75234364 Spain 07/17/2017 11:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Earth is an oblate spheroid. The centrifugal bias, strongest at equator, weakest at pooles causes the earth to bulge at the equator. As such: when stood at the equator you have more mass between you and the opposite side of the globe. All of this mass contributes to a slightly higher gravitational attraction to the free body. This is however counteracted (and then some) by the centrifugal force itself acting on said body. After all is accounted for: If you weighed 100 pounds at the north pole on a spring scale, at the equator you would weigh 99.65 pounds, or 5.5 ounces less. This is the reason rocket launches are slightly cheaper nearer the equator. The earth is a globe, flat earthers are an embarrassment to human endeavour and intellect. Go outside and watch the star movements over time. Do the same thing on an AUS webcam. Look how they move. |

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