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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 75159928 United States 07/22/2017 04:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I wanted to write something to all the Jesus people out there. Something of and by our savior, Jesus. Isn't he wonderful? It's his touch that engulfs a heart in a flame that never burns out. Don't you remember when he touched you? Once touched by Him, you're never the same. His hand ever on us, because we belong to Him, we were in Him all along, and each of us had an appointed time to realize who He was and who we were, by that encounter with Him. Like Paul said: "When it pleased God to reveal Christ in me". That encounter with Him, is everything. Just think about it… We encounter him, when we didn't know anything about Him, when we were in sin, when we didn't go to church, when we didn't even know anything about Him. Maybe you were high, drunk, strung out, all alone, cold, helpless, and hopeless. Maybe even years later, you struggle as I did with sin, but still he was there. When He shows up, His presence so strong, and He brings an understanding to you, He reveals something to you that makes you free. Isn't it true, those of us who have had an encounter with Him, have a testimony that overcomes the world? All the men of the bible "Every one of them" had an encounter with God. It's true in the Old Testament, and it's true in the New Testament. It happened to Moses at the burning bush, it happened to Paul on the road to Damascus. And it happened to US. It happened to Ted Wise while high in his car, it happened to Lonnie while naked. (I'm just using them because everyone knows them). What happened to us after that encounter? We went looking for people like us or we went looking for people to tell about this Jesus we had just encountered. The fellowship was always around a simple profession of Christ, and there was a simple evidence of "LIFE" streaming from the inside of that other Jesus person you had just met, there was a witness of the spirit, and you knew you had just met a brother. You didn't know what he believed, about anything, but you knew he believed in that ONE THING that mattered. And the evidence was perceived LIFE...IF that brother didn't have THAT, man it was witnessing time. It didn't matter if he was a guy on the street or a pastor... You either had Jesus and his life, or you didn't. If he didn't have that life, he wasn't a brother and there was NO WAY you could fellowship with him, so you knew you just had to tell him the good news. There was no separation about doctrine, or denomination, what you wore, who you hung with, what you ate, none of that... Just brothers and sisters with LIFE! A simple gospel and a simple fellowship. Maybe it's time we got back to that. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 75159928 United States 07/22/2017 04:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I got to thinking about the beginning, brothers such as you and I, in the 70’s… I was thinking about contrast. Then and now, what were the less obvious differences, those invisible spiritual things that are under the surface, not seen by the human eye, only discerned, IF you had discernment…Things seemingly small yet so important, unnoticed by many. It was my experience then that I met two sets of circumstances that were totally different. I went to a few churches, before I got invited to go to the east coast. The churches were formal, it involved teaching, and a form of doctrine. If you agreed to the knowledge they tried to impart to you, you might even get to be an elder. You were certainly a member of their church. You might even get an immediate invite for a baptism. There were many other churches in this same city, shoot, there were several just a block away. But they never fellow-shipped together, separated I guess by their doctrines, their denomination. Some back then even claimed not to have a denomination, yet you found out there was no such thing. They still had beliefs that would cause them to separate from you, if you thought differently. How different when I got to the East Coast. Brothers meeting you, knowing nothing about you, not caring what doctrines you believed. They didn’t invite you to their church, so they could impart any certain knowledge to you…It was just Christ and Him crucified. Actually no one even went to church, but the life in these people who met together from 2 or 3 states was unmistakable. The fellowship was around a simple profession of Christ, and simple evidence of “LIFE” streaming from the inside of that other person you had just met. Then of course there was a witness of the spirit, and you knew you had just met a brother. You didn’t know what he believed, about anything, but you knew he believed in that ONE THING that mattered. And the evidence was perceived LIFE…IF that brother didn’t have THAT, man it was witnessing time. It didn’t matter if he was a guy on the street or a pastor… You either had Jesus and his life, or you didn’t. If he didn’t have that life, he wasn’t a brother and their was NO WAY you could fellowship with him, so you knew you just had to tell him the good news. Their was no separation about doctrine, or denomination, what you wore, who you hung with, what you ate, none of that… Just brothers and sisters with LIFE! A simple gospel, and a simple fellowship. Then somewhere in the late 70’s or early 80’s something happened…It was as if someone marched in to the room, and announced a new ownership or new management… Next thing you knew that “LIFE” was gone. The simpleness had been replaced with knowledge, creeds, licenses, and labels. The life became a routine, a set of doctrines, a denomination, a determined set of do this and don’t do that, and your one of US. BUT the life was gone, it just faded and being a Christian became a vocation, like going to work. Clock in, clock out, do this, do that, read, pray, go to church… NO LIFE!!! No fellowship of the spirit… All that replaced with a new fellowship, a fellowship based on a likeness of beliefs, a sameness of doctrine… |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 75159928 United States 07/22/2017 04:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How do you describe this LIFE. As a Christian it’s hard to do. I recall moments in my own life, times of stillness, in the midst of activity or in the quiet of night. The presence of His Spirit was there, sometimes speaking other times He was silent, yet the undeniable presence of His Spirit was so real. You couldn’t describe it too anyone else, sometimes he was so near, almost physical, at other times He was, just felt, deep in your heart. I could at times think, and He would answer. Sometimes the answer was spoken, and at other times it was a still small voice in my heart. Sometimes I would see a person, and while looking at them, I knew about them. I recall the passion to tell others about him at any given moment, looking for such an occasion never caring where I was, or who was nearby. Constantly His Love moved over me in waves and yet it abode, never departing. I would wake up in the middle of the night and He was there, like a mother hen. I remember the love for others that was not my own. I remember feeling, and being, separate from the world yet still in its midst. I recall not worrying about the kind of car I drove, or the condition of my clothes, knowing that He was fully aware of all these things. I recall being invited out for dinner with brothers, and thinking (silently between myself and God), “Lord I don’t have any money, but I’m hungry” and then someone would say “hey rod I’ll buy ok?” Do you have days like this? Do you remember days like this from your past? I believe this is something no one can take from us. This is why WE MUST EXPERIENCE GOD You see if you experience HIM then, Bible revelation can be added to you. But if you don’t experience HIM first then Bible knowledge is just a compilation of facts, they are true, but they don’t have any place of reference, without HIM. 2).Most of my life, at least as far back as I can remember I’ve had a desire and love for God/Jesus. As I’ve grown older, I’ve seen many things in “Christendom”, I’ve seen communes (come and go in failure). I’ve seen myself and other brothers walk in their own ways (you might call it backsliding). I’ve been hurt by supposed brothers in Christ, I’ve seen TV preachers act cocky, and ridiculous, I’ve seen people chase tithes and money, I’ve seen people in big churches (faithful tithers) go without help while in need, I’ve seen people chase their own kingdom and building programs. I’ve seen names in lights (but not Jesus name). I’ve seen people destroyed by the shepherding movement. I’ve seen men of god after devoting their lives to “the ministry” destroyed after a single mistake, instead of forgiven. On and on I could go… So does any of the above remind you of the book of Acts or the first group of believers? 3).The first century church in the New Testament turned the world upside down in a short time NOT because of their words alone but because of the LIFE residing IN them. This was a spirit thing, they had and were living LIFE like Jesus 24/7 every moment of each day, a life of submission, pleasing the father, a life defined by others as “seeing they had been with Jesus”. 4). A Christian historian tells a true story about a peasant in the 1600’s living under the rule of the Catholic Church. The peasant is working the field and a cardinal and his procession go by, as they approach the cardinal speaks to the peasant, about a new edict from Rome. The cardinal quotes a verse of scripture; the peasant replies that the cardinal quoted the verse incorrectly. The cardinal says to the peasant “How would you know, being you are unlearned and illiterate?” The peasant replies: “because the spirit IN ME said you quoted it wrong”! How true this is, if we only have the book and don’t hear that still small voice on the inside, from the throne of our heart the center of HIS kingdom! Then I fear we miss the most important piece of intimacy, yet HIS Word and HIS scriptures work together. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 75159928 United States 07/22/2017 04:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One thing about God...He loves us and we are flawed...So what does He do? Reject us? Despise us? Leave us? Get angry at us? NOOOO.... He loves us. If He were to leave and forsake us when we make a mistake, large or small, HE would have no bride left...All of us SIN... What does He want when we sin? RUN TO HIM, bury your face in His skirt. Do you know what he says to you? "I love you, go and sin no more. But if you do, I will still forgive you again and again" Would I ask you to forgive your brothers over and over, and neglect to do the same myself? We miss the point of the story, in Luke, where the son realizes that he would be fed and loved in his fathers house: The story goes like this (rod's paraphrase)... "I'm so hungry, I know what I should do I will go to my father, and I will say father I have sinned against you, and heaven" So off I go to my fathers house...But the weirdest thing happened, while I was still a long ways from the house, my father, he sees me, and as I get near and try to give Him all of my reasons for sinning, He just doesn't even hear my story...Its as if He is preoccupied with another desire... I guess He was, for to my shame now I realize how much He loves me. And this was all realized by me, when I hear Him yelling; "get some good food, find my son some shoes, and some new royal cloths...For he is home again, we must celebrate"... The bible says that when we are in heaven with Him, He will wipe the tears from our eyes...WHY will we be crying? Because of sin? NOOOOO. We will be crying because we see Him for who He really is, and because we see that during our whole lives we have misjudged and falsely accused God. We thought He was a monster, when in fact all He wanted to do was reveal Himself as a savior and friend..That's why the old testament seems harsh, and displays the law to us, and requires a penalty...So that God has someone to save...a reason to send Jesus to die...So that we might receive forgiveness, and be with HIM forever... You might say why did He have to do it that way? Why not just forget the law, and forgiveness, and just let me be with Him as I am? God is holy, its His right to make a requirement and good of Him to fulfill that same requirement for us, as a gift... |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 75159928 United States 07/22/2017 04:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I came from a violent home, (drugs, alcohol, gun shots, being chased with knives, people thrown through picture pane windows), in fact I was born three months early because my father kicked my mother in the stomach. I was born weighing two pounds nine ounces. As early as 7yrs old, I was out on the streets till 3-4am, I was put in three orphanages... One night I remember, my father snuck into our house, he put a loaded pistol in my hand and told me too shoot my sisters and my mother, it was crazy. Through all of this, (which I wouldn't change), I came out a fairly normal kid, I was involved in sports and didn't do drugs, or drink. I thought I was a survivor, wanting only too make it through another day. In 1974 I started too sense a need in my life, an emptiness that I couldn't explain. I knew I had to find God/Jesus, but who was HE. I had no idea where to find HIM, so I went to the local library to find books concerning world religions, God, and the occult. At the library I met an ex-hippie (Gary Osborn) he saw my books and decided to share the message with me. Gary invited me to pray in the back of his V.W. so I did, I remember saying "God forgive me for my sins, and whatever you have for me I want it all". Well at first nothing happened I expected, lightening or something. Gary said, "Just go home and praise God" I said, "What's that, mean" Gary said, "Just thank him" So I did just that. The remaining is sacred to me, before I asked Jesus into my heart, I never heard voices, I never drank, and I never did drugs, but one week after meeting Jesus while in the middle of my last class (during high school) A voice, just as clear, as someone standing next to you, spoke, and as the voice spoke it said to me, "rod tell them about Jesus" I was surprised, but unafraid, I put my hand over my mouth, since I didn't want anyone to think I was talking too myself, I said (to whoever spoke to me) "I don't know what to say" the voice said "don't be afraid, I'll give you the words to say" To this day I don't remember my words, but I spoke to those kids about Jesus and salvation, their mouths just dropped open and then, class was over, I walked out of that room, feeling like I had never felt before. The next day was Saturday; I slept in the living room on an old couch. When I woke it was early and I decided to turn on the TV, to watch my favorite cartoon, the roadrunner. As I sat there watching the TV, I got up and looked outside, everything was so beautiful, (I never appreciated nature, I just wanted to make it thru another day). BUT now it was so pretty, I sat back down on the couch, and as I did I was somewhere else. I was sitting at a long roughhewn table. In front of me was God, the father. I couldn't see him, to my left was Satan, him I could see (he looked like a man only very big) then to my right was Jesus. Three bowls appear, filled with what looked like porridge. Now the father spoke and said Satan dismiss yourself, Satan stood and screamed, then vanished. Three bites were taken out of the bowl. Then all at once I was watching myself from a distance, walking with Jesus up a grassy pathway. Jesus was speaking to me but from a distance I couldn't hear him, I could see myself shaking my head (like I understand) then thru my eyes I saw the house where I had been sleeping. I didn't know what had happened; I'd never experienced anything like that, but I knew two things, I had to find a pastor to talk too, and I KNEW GOD loved me and wanted something from me...my total surrender. My life totally under his control, every second, moment by moment, and I was consumed with this one desire, to live too PLEASE HIM. Let me give you an example: When a friend from school would come over and say, "Hey rod." "Let's go to a show" I'd say, "hold on." Then I'd go in the bathroom and pray, "Lord should I go?" Sometimes the Lord would say "go", sometimes "no" At times He was silent, when this happened I would look inside, to my heart, (Spirit), (see Colossians 3:15) if I had peace I would go, If not, I'd stay home. As I practiced this new desire, (surrender), I noticed the voice of the Lord became more frequent and clearer, (John 10:27). It always had to agree with scripture. The word of the Lord will always agree with the true meaning and / or the true interpretation of scripture). I knew I needed to get a bible. So I went to a bookstore and I got the largest family bible I'd ever seen, with pictures and everything. I was so happy. That night the voice of the lord said, "Read Matthew 5." I had to look in the contents; I didn't know where Matthew was. When I found it and started to read, the words became a ("Word of the Lord to me") they just jumped off the page, they seemed to come alive, and they filled me, with hope, love and peace. Now I knew God loved me, and my sins were gone, I was forgiven... As time passed I grew, sometimes I'd walk into a busy office or building (like a D.O.L) and the Lord would say go sit by that guy. I would strike up a conversation, then say "you don't know me but I'm a Christian and God is going to share with me about your life" I don't mean simple things like "you have the flu" or "Headaches", but deep, personal things that others couldn't know or even guess. People would usually start to cry and ask "how did you know?" I'd say "I didn't but God knew". One day I wanted to go from PA to Atlantic City. There was a fellowship in a brothers house. In the 70's it was legal to hitch hike, I got 5 different rides packed with kids and adults, and as I got into each car I told them "I am a Christian and God is going to bless you for picking me up" God did too, for in that span of an hour and a half, 15-20 people got saved, "born again" in their cars as we drove down the highway. God told me very intimate (secret) details about each of them, as we drove along. They all started to cry, guys and girls, asking me "how did you know those things about me". I said I didn't but God did, and he loves you. When I got to Atlantic City, God said "Rod, when you get to the prayer meeting tonight I want you to give all your money, to Johnnie Diaz". I said "Lord that's all I've got?" (About 300.00) God replied; "you take care of your brothers and sisters in the Lord and I'll take care of you." So upon arriving in Atlantic City, I secretly gave all my money to Johnnie, (this was to cover something for Johnnie that was very personal, so I know he didn't share this with anyone). That night I asked myself "how am I going to get back to work, tomorrow? I didn't have a penny, not even enough for bus fare, and in my spirit I knew I wasn't to hitch hike, but instead the Lord wanted me on the bus. After sleeping that night and leaving the brothers house the next day, (where the meeting had been held), I started walking to the bus station. As I got closer and closer, I was imagining, "is the drivers going to just "know" he's supposed to let me ride for free?" But as I approached the depot, a brother named "Chicky" came out of his house and said "rod I think the Lord wants me to give this to you." It was exactly what I needed for bus fare! This has been a short summary of my life. |
ChrisVet User ID: 75251524 Canada 07/22/2017 04:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Your buddy Bob took a punch for you and you bailed on him in the middle of the fight. Would you do the same if your wife took a punch for one of your kids? You're out of your fucking mind. Last Edited by ChrisVet on 07/22/2017 04:57 PM "Do the Shit out of what you Love" |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 75159928 United States 07/22/2017 05:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I used to think maybe the answer might be home churches… I wish it was this easy, home churches were real big on the east coast in the Jesus movement, and I always thought it was a step in the right direction... But...It is still the same thing, only on a smaller scale. Men formatting a program, singers singing, prayers praying, leaders leading, ministers preaching, the body sitting in the pew or couches. It all has to change.. Body ministry, and body life, as described in the NT is NOT what we see today in the present church system... Plus the 1st century church KNEW each other... I don't just mean like you’re my friend or neighbor and I know you... But this is a deeply intimate "knowing" one another... It's actually spirit to spirit. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 75159928 United States 07/23/2017 12:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This was not just a dream, it was as if I was transported somewhere. I have had 8 dreams like this. This is dream number 1: I was on the head of a beast, in a large body of water (Like the ocean). It was night and the darkness was so real it could be felt. The clouds above were very thick and black. The beast was thrashing as if it wanted to throw me off. I was so afraid! I was holding on as tight as I could. Then I looked up, and when I did, the clouds opened and rays of light came through the clouds, with the light came that voice that I had heard before and knew so well. He said; if I'm ever to use you, I must break you"! I woke, wet with sweat, and shaking...Saying as I woke, "thank you, Lord you haven't forgotten me" Then a few months later, my brokenness occurs. I almost die from a severe head injury. I'm in the hospital for a couple months. Soon after my physical breaking, another kind of breaking occurs, there are 2 things I know that God wants to deal with. One is a long-standing sin, and the other is that I was not trusting Him. I come home, one day I'm all alone, I am sitting at the kitchen table, watching the rain outside. Suddenly I hear a voice, "You know each drop is different". I say "Yes I suppose so". The voice says "And your different". I start to weep. My face now disfigured. The voice now is stern and says "Not like that". Meaning He is not talking about my face. He says "Why do you believe what you believe, and who taught you". I said "I'm not sure" … He says "Do you think truth goes from the mind of one man into the mind of another". I said "No". He says "Algebra does that, not truth, truth is revealed". Then many things start rolling thru my mind, truth as if being placed into my mind. All this time I just rest, in Him. This goes on for several months. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 75159928 United States 07/23/2017 12:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Life come from Jesus, let me give you an example of His live, the time was years ago, but that doesn't matter, for this is just for example sake. I was on the east coast, I wanted to go to a fellowship at a brother house. It was so fun then, cuz God always showed up. So I went to the highway, I was going from Philly to Atlantic City, and decided to hitch rides. I got 5 rides packed with kids and adults, and as I got into each car I told them "I am a Christian and God is going to bless you for picking me up" God did too, for in that span of an hour and a half, 15-20 people got saved, born again in their cars as we drove down the highway. God told me very intimate (secret) details about each of them, as we drove along. They all started to cry, guys and girls, asking me "how did you know those things about me". I said I didn't but God did, and he loves you. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 75159928 United States 07/23/2017 01:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I remember one day, saying to myself. *I should read my bible more, and then I heard (I use the word heard for explanation purposes only. This is VERY HARD to describe) the following. Do not do that! Now I somehow understood, the deeper meaning of what was coming to me. It wasn't that I should not read my bible. I love reading it, and want to read it more. The Lord has no problem with that, depending on your motive. But the fact was I was NOT suppose to shine the cup. In fact I was to do NOTHING to improve the vessel. I was NOT to stop anything THAT I THOUGHT NEEDED CURBING. This included dropping something and saying "shit", or driving down the road and calling someone an idiot for driving like one. Now at first I rebelled against this, but my faith made me see, The Lords control over every area of my life. Then I saw it clearly. He is the one who cleanses, He is the vine dresser, He is the savior, He is the husband, He is the shepherd. I am the flock, the clay, the wife, the vine. I was to ONLY RESPOND to Him, and His nudging, or His voice. WHEN I did something that He wanted to change, He would let me know...Thus I would NOT establish my own righteousness, nor become religious. Now months later, I still rest, and I don't do many of those things I used to do, a few months ago, but ALL the changes came thru Him, in His way, and in His timing. Spiritual things and this life is soooo simple, yet we must stay close to him, for many would have approved of my *original response, when the Lord said NO. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75268703 Australia 07/23/2017 01:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I remember one day, saying to myself. *I should read my bible more, and then I heard (I use the word heard for explanation purposes only. This is VERY HARD to describe) the following. Do not do that! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75159928 Now I somehow understood, the deeper meaning of what was coming to me. It wasn't that I should not read my bible. I love reading it, and want to read it more. The Lord has no problem with that, depending on your motive. But the fact was I was NOT suppose to shine the cup. In fact I was to do NOTHING to improve the vessel. I was NOT to stop anything THAT I THOUGHT NEEDED CURBING. This included dropping something and saying "shit", or driving down the road and calling someone an idiot for driving like one. Now at first I rebelled against this, but my faith made me see, The Lords control over every area of my life. Then I saw it clearly. He is the one who cleanses, He is the vine dresser, He is the savior, He is the husband, He is the shepherd. I am the flock, the clay, the wife, the vine. I was to ONLY RESPOND to Him, and His nudging, or His voice. WHEN I did something that He wanted to change, He would let me know...Thus I would NOT establish my own righteousness, nor become religious. Now months later, I still rest, and I don't do many of those things I used to do, a few months ago, but ALL the changes came thru Him, in His way, and in His timing. Spiritual things and this life is soooo simple, yet we must stay close to him, for many would have approved of my *original response, when the Lord said NO. FINALLY...some TRUTH. This IS HOW IT WORKS. You will NEVER be a christian by TRYING to be one. Think about that... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 73651599 United States 07/23/2017 02:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, I'm going to have to read this tomorrow. I'm about to fall out,... but by the look of your title, I've been close to where you are. Your thread probably won't get much attention because people, a lot of people, simply do not believe. God will make you listen if he has too, that's what happened with me. He knows who's salvageable and who's not. I guess the ones that are not get the easier life. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 75159928 United States 07/23/2017 03:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks you for sharing.You describe some of the things I struggle with in my walk.Really don't want to deal with it right now.Can't run forever right?.I'm going to bookmark this and read it later tonight. Quoting: Juju 63404857 It will all work out, when we belong to him we are family. He never gives up, he had the plan from the beginning to the end. Even the garden was not a mistake, there was no plan B. God is always in control. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 75159928 United States 07/23/2017 03:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, I'm going to have to read this tomorrow. I'm about to fall out,... but by the look of your title, I've been close to where you are. Quoting: CapnRon Your thread probably won't get much attention because people, a lot of people, simply do not believe. God will make you listen if he has too, that's what happened with me. He knows who's salvageable and who's not. I guess the ones that are not get the easier life. Those who need to see it will, and those who have it easy in this life, well I wouldn't want to trade places with them. Bless you. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75268703 Australia 07/23/2017 03:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks you for sharing.You describe some of the things I struggle with in my walk.Really don't want to deal with it right now.Can't run forever right?.I'm going to bookmark this and read it later tonight. Quoting: Juju 63404857 It will all work out, when we belong to him we are family. He never gives up, he had the plan from the beginning to the end. Even the garden was not a mistake, there was no plan B. God is always in control. Yeah...ya wont ever hear god say "oh shit...i totally fucked THAT up" |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 75159928 United States 07/23/2017 04:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It will all work out, when we belong to him we are family. He never gives up, he had the plan from the beginning to the end. Even the garden was not a mistake, there was no plan B. God is always in control. Yeah...ya wont ever hear god say "oh shit...i totally fucked THAT up" SO TRUE!!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73141183 United States 07/23/2017 04:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Okay. Genesis 10 says that each tribe of the sons of Noah had their own tongue or language. Each tribe... Now, Genesis 11 says that at the tower of Babel when God confused the languages that the earth spoke.... ...you guessed it. ONE LANGUAGE. A direct contradiction. One language or many. Now John calls Jesus the Word. The Holy Trinity doctrine says the God, Jesus, Holy Spirit, all the same person. Therefore it was Jesus who inspired the Old Testament writers to produce the story of the Tower of Babel. So, God...Jesus can't even inspire Old Testament Bible writers to come up with a coherent story from one chapter to the next. One language or many... Put you're hope in no Divine ruler who can't inspire Bible writers properly. |
rod777 (OP) User ID: 75159928 United States 07/23/2017 05:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think you greatly misunderstand the text. Even so doctrines won't save you, you need a personal relationship with the living Jesus. Okay. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73141183 Genesis 10 says that each tribe of the sons of Noah had their own tongue or language. Each tribe... Now, Genesis 11 says that at the tower of Babel when God confused the languages that the earth spoke.... ...you guessed it. ONE LANGUAGE. A direct contradiction. One language or many. Now John calls Jesus the Word. The Holy Trinity doctrine says the God, Jesus, Holy Spirit, all the same person. Therefore it was Jesus who inspired the Old Testament writers to produce the story of the Tower of Babel. So, God...Jesus can't even inspire Old Testament Bible writers to come up with a coherent story from one chapter to the next. One language or many... Put you're hope in no Divine ruler who can't inspire Bible writers properly. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75268703 Australia 07/23/2017 05:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ive grown far more in my relationship with God since i STOPPED reading the bible and started just...LIVING IT. Someones hungry...i feed em. Someones in need of money....i give it to them...i NEVER LEND...i just GIVE. Someones in pain....i cry with them. Someones is happy...i am happy with them. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70242683 United States 07/23/2017 05:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I remember one day, saying to myself. *I should read my bible more, and then I heard (I use the word heard for explanation purposes only. This is VERY HARD to describe) the following. Do not do that! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75159928 Now I somehow understood, the deeper meaning of what was coming to me. It wasn't that I should not read my bible. I love reading it, and want to read it more. The Lord has no problem with that, depending on your motive. But the fact was I was NOT suppose to shine the cup. In fact I was to do NOTHING to improve the vessel. I was NOT to stop anything THAT I THOUGHT NEEDED CURBING. This included dropping something and saying "shit", or driving down the road and calling someone an idiot for driving like one. Now at first I rebelled against this, but my faith made me see, The Lords control over every area of my life. Then I saw it clearly. He is the one who cleanses, He is the vine dresser, He is the savior, He is the husband, He is the shepherd. I am the flock, the clay, the wife, the vine. I was to ONLY RESPOND to Him, and His nudging, or His voice. WHEN I did something that He wanted to change, He would let me know...Thus I would NOT establish my own righteousness, nor become religious. Now months later, I still rest, and I don't do many of those things I used to do, a few months ago, but ALL the changes came thru Him, in His way, and in His timing. Spiritual things and this life is soooo simple, yet we must stay close to him, for many would have approved of my *original response, when the Lord said NO. |
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