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God at the Tower of Babel, took away humans understanding to build technology to travel to the Stars

 
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There have been rumours of the USA military hunting for something very important under the sands of Babel in Iraq. Looking at the biblical scriptures in Genesis 11 about the building of the 'Tower of Babel', may help understand just what the US is looking for. Now if our ancestors were building a 'simple' tall building into the clouds, why would God get highly concerned about this? He wouldn't obviously.

However if you look at the words used below, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens" "The LORD said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them."

It is clear from these words recorded, that the humans living thousands of years ago, who were more technologically advanced than today, were building some sort of device to travel to the stars & other galaxies. God could not allow this, so from the interpretation of the words used-"Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other." "because there the LORD confused the language of the whole world."
God took away the ancient humans level of understanding & comprehension of knowledge, and reduced their mental capabilites, so they were not able to complete certain technology to travel beyond this Earth!

So the question is, are the original parts of the technological devices that were started at Babel-Iraq thousands of years ago, still buried there?
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Genesis 11
The Tower of Babel

1 Now the whole world had one language and a common speech.
2 As men moved eastward, they found a plain in Shinar and settled there.

3 They said to each other, "Come, let's make bricks and bake them thoroughly." They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth."

5 But the LORD came down to see the city and the tower that the men were building. 6 The LORD said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other."

8 So the LORD scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel, because there the LORD confused the language of the whole world. From there the LORD scattered them over the face of the whole earth.
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YES you are GETTING it! Now if only the others could wake up...
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Yes I like how "The Lord" does not like the concept of human advancement OR humanity all understanding each other and cooperating peacefully. Yes it was this very section of the Bible that gave me a new understanding of exactly what "The Lord" is, and what has been done to humanity by "Him". I also really like how "The Lord" seems to be afraid of human advancement.

Now bible huggers you can flame me, but I ask you guys to just look away from this question: How can it be that an Omnipotent, OMNISCIENT Creator wouldnt have known this ahead of time, would not have known EXACTLY what the human could/would do. Why is it that an Omnipotent "God" felt threatened enough by human progression that it felt the need to not only destroy the technical achievemnt, but scramble comminucations throughout the world? The simple and most obvious answer is this: The entity described in the Bible as "God, The Lord, the Good Lord, The Father" is indeed NOT the source of creation but an imposter, if not completely fabricated. I suspect imposter, an advanced being, or race of beings, that taught man many of their secrets, and became afraid when Man started refusing orders, and more afraid when Man could develop high technology so quickly. Thus every effort was made to confuse mankind, to alter their language, to sever their link to each other, and to their Creator, which was the true source of all of their Divine Inspiration. And as the finishing touch, to assure that Mankind would NEVER be able to reconnect with the source, created a system of doctorines to teach man to do the exact wrong things in order to seperate man even further form the Creator.

I suppose you will have your belief system, and in that system I am condemned to hell because I dont ascribe to your strange and unrealistic concepts, however if you were to anylise your book with true scrutiny, and just once replace the words "Lord, Father, God, Good Lord" with the words "The Controllers" you can easily see my point, because in doing so the bible then makes TOTAL SENCE!! I dare you to try it? But you wont, because your book tells you to follow the book unquestioningly. Nevermind the multitudes of hands that have translated, mistranslated, excluded, and exagerrated the original writings...that this book has somehow been mystically incoded by some supreme diety that the hands of man cant screw it up...

Now back to the Tower, wasn't even "The Lord" worried about what mankind could do, worried enough to destroy, and scatter their languages? But somehow, the unadultered word of "The Lord" can make it through in a book.... This shit is just absurd.

I do hope everyone wakes up and soon.
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I'm also puzzling over these reports of 'strangely' 'coordinated' looting of the Iraqi Museum exactly at the time of the US invasion of Iraq, thousands of its artifacts were stolen.

The news reports say the US military had nothing to do with it, however did the USA military really direct & coordinate it.

Particularly to locate what they were wanting to find at the Iraqi Museum, a map to the exact location of the Tower of Babel perhaps!
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I'm also puzzling over these reports of 'strangely' 'co-ordinated' looting of the Iraqi Museum exactly at the time of the US invasion of Iraq, thousands of its artifacts were stolen.

The news reports say the US military had nothing to do with it, however did the USA military really direct & co-ordinated it, partically to locate what they were wanting to find at the Iraqi Museum, a map to the exact location of the Tower of Babel perhaps!
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THE SECRET RACE TO CONTROL IRAQ'S EXTRATERRESTRIAL HERITAGE

In 1976, a scholar translating ancient Sumerian cuneiform texts published the first of his books, The 12th Planet. Zecharia Sitchin described the technological wonders and knowledge of the ancient civilization of Sumeria. What made his work controversial was that he claimed that the Sumerians were aided in starting their civilization by an advanced race of beings called the Anunnaki (Sumerian for ‘those who came from Heaven to Earth'). He described technological wonders possessed by the Anunnaki, and a factional war between the Anunnaki who finally departed the planet around 1700 BC. Furthermore, Sitchin described the home world of these beings as a mysterious planet that periodically returns to the vicinity of the solar system every 3,600 years. Sitchin's translations, when combined with biblical and historical records supporting the existence of ET races in human affairs, made clear the important role by this ancient ET race in the genesis of humanity. Sitchin's translations proved to be very controversial and mainstream archeologists dismissed the work as too speculative. However, there were very influential clandestine organizations that took Sitchin's work much more seriously.


Ever since at least 1947, US based clandestine organizations have been engaged in the reverse engineering of downed ET spacecraft, and communicating with different ET races. The most prominent of the reverse engineering efforts of clandestine organizations have involved a race of ETs commonly described as ‘Grays', similar in appearance to the ET's depicted in Steven Spielberg's famous movie, Close Encounters of the Third Kind. The technology possessed by the Grays was far advanced to anything possessed by humanity, and efforts began immediately to learn about and reverse engineer this technology. The content of Sitchin's work describing an ancient ET race would most certainly have aroused the curiosity of these clandestine organizations in the US and elsewhere. The possibility that the Anunnaki described by Sitchin had attained a level of technological sophistication even more advanced than that attained by Grays was something that had to be seriously explored. Even more perplexing for clandestine organizations, was the idea that this advanced race could one day return to the Earth and again interact with humanity as they did in the remote past.


It is very likely that various intelligence gathering efforts confirmed the validity of some if not most of Sitchin's hypotheses. US and European clandestine organizations would undoubtedly have made it a top priority to gain access to these ancient ET sites in southern Iraq to learn about the advanced technology used by the Anunnaki. Furthermore, they would have been interested in learning more about the purported home world of the Anunnaki in case it did indeed return to the vicinity of the solar system in the near future.

The problem, however, was that the Cold War still existed and Iraq was firmly in the Soviet sphere of influence. With the unlikelihood that Iraq would cooperate with US/European clandestine organizations in gaining access to these ancient ET sites, clandestine organizations in the US and Europe had a disturbing policy dilemma confronting them. If the international status quo remained, then at some point the Soviet Union might find these ET sites, and reverse engineer whatever technology existed and thereby eradicate whatever technological advantages the West might hold. Furthermore, if the home world of this race did return, then the Soviet Union would be best placed to respond to whatever contingencies this created.

Given the above scenario, it would have been scarcely imaginable that US and European clandestine organizations wouldn't have developed a top secret set of foreign policy goals whose aim it was to bring about US/European access to Iraq's buried ET technology. The success of the secret foreign policy goals of US/European clandestine organizations in gaining access to Iraq's ET heritage and preparing for a possible return of the Anunnaki, lay in promoting international conditions that would allow US/Europe to gain unfettered access to Iraq without provoking Soviet intervention and a full scale crisis in the midst of the Cold War. The way in which this could be done would be to promote a series of regional crises that would ultimately make Iraq dependent on the assistance of Western nations. The solution to the US/European policy dilemma was to sponsor upheaval in Iraq's main rival and regional powerhouse, Iran, that would inevitably force Iraq into a military confrontation with its more powerful neighbor, and thereby create opportunities for greater US/European influence in Iraq.

The primary focus of this secret agenda was that the Shah of Iran would be toppled, and replaced by a fundamentalist Islamic regime that would create havoc in the Persian Gulf region. The success of this radical plan rested in a twofold strategy of first withdrawing the traditional support of the US for the Shah of Iran who maintained a tight hold on political power through his powerful security forces; and second, fomenting an Islamic revolution. This success of this clandestine dual pronged strategy ultimately led to the collapse of the Shah's regime who had to flee from Iran on January 16, 1979.

The new Islamic Republic of Iran was a dire threat to the territorial integrity of Iraq and was an ideological rival to Iraq's Ba'ath socialist system. The new Iraqi regime under Saddam Hussein instinctively understood the threat posed by revolutionary Iran to Iraq, and decided to act while the Islamic regime was preoccupied by consolidating itself. Iraq launched a devastating attack in September 1980 that resulted in an eight year war that quickly ground down into a stalemate. Western states along with wealthy Arab states began to support Saddam's regime. The end of the Iran-Iraq war in 1988 occurred simultaneously with a rapidly transforming global political climate. Eastern bloc countries were beginning to collapse and the mighty Soviet Union was in the initial stages of its eventual disintegration into 15 independent republics. With the Soviet Union/Russia rapidly losing global influence, Western states gained greater prominence in Iraq. This was especially true for France and Germany, both of which played important roles in directly financing and aiding Iraq in its long war with Iran.

Soon after Saddam's elevation to power in 1979, he started the construction of a sophisticated network of underground tunnels and bunkers. These elaborate constructions were motivated both by the threat posed by Iranian missile attack, and Saddam's awareness that Iraq's ancient (ET) heritage, much of which lay buried, was the key to his own grandiose plans for regional dominance. It is very likely that at some point in the construction of these underground constructions throughout Iraq, evidence of Iraq's extraterrestrial civilization was first encountered. The complex task of studying and eventually reverse engineering these ET assets would have begun.

Despite its tacit support for Iraq in the Iraq-Iran war, the United States had a distinct disadvantage to its European partners/rivals in gaining access to Iraq's ancient ET sites who had a longer history in assisting Iraq's socialist regime. This meant that US based clandestine organizations had to ‘orchestrate' international events in a way that would fulfill the secret policy goal of gaining unfettered access to Iraq's ET heritage. Under the first President Bush, Iraq and Kuwait became engaged in a diplomatic crisis over the overproduction of oil by Kuwait in 1991. Kuwait's overproduction meant that world oil prices were deflated and Iraq's oil production would not generate the necessary revenue for Iraq to begin the difficult reconstruction process after its costly war with Iran. This resulted in making Iraq more dependent on Western states and clandestine organizations, a result that Saddam would not have been pleased with given his undoubted awareness that financial independence would give him maximum negotiating power over whom he allowed to exploit the ET resources on his territory. Even more vexing to the regime of Saddam Hussein, Kuwait was demanding repayment of the war loans it had given to Iraq during the eight year Iraq-Iran war.

In forcing a change in Kuwait's oil policies Iraq decided to adopt some brinkmanship and massed a large army on its border with Kuwait. At this critical point where Iraq was indicating its intent to possibly invade Kuwait if it did not change its policies, the US Ambassador to Iraq made what appeared to be a ‘crucial error'. In advising Iraq about what the US view was about the simmering Iraq/Kuwait despite, she said: "We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts ... such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary [of State James] Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction ... that Kuwait is not associated with America." Given the history of Iraq's relationship with Kuwait, the ‘risk taking' personal psychology of Saddam Hussein, and the antagonistic policy of the Kuwaiti leadership, it could have been predicted that Saddam would interpret this as a green light to invade.

President Bush was a former head of the Central Intelligence Agency and therefore aware of, and likely a member of, US based clandestine organizations set up to reverse engineer ET technology. It is undoubtedly the case that Secretary Baker, as a close friend and former chief of staff for President Bush, would also have been aware of the need for US access into Iraq to reverse engineer whatever ET technology existed. Key figures in the Bush administration were most likely aware of any time line that existed in terms of a possible return of the Anunnaki home world.

Subsequently, Hussein did go ahead with a war against Kuwait on August 1990, and contrary to the message delivered by Glaspie, he found that the US was resolutely opposed to Iraq's invasion and did not favor any compromise over Kuwait. In the diplomatic negotiations over Iraq's withdrawal, the first Bush administration ruled out any concessions to Iraq. This meant that Russian diplomacy, motivated by awareness that a war would appreciably diminish Russia's relative advantage in gaining access to and reverse engineering ET technology in Iraq, would ultimately fail. The US led multinational military intervention that began in January 1991 led to the expulsion of Iraq from Kuwait, and resulted in the US for the first time having a strategic foothold in Iraq with a number of Security Council resolutions giving legitimacy to the US presence. The political and military crisis that engulfed Iraq and Kuwait, and led to military intervention first by Iraq, and then by the US, was orchestrated by US based clandestine organizations who desired unfettered access by the West into Iraq.

Unfortunately for the secret policy goals of the first Bush administration, it could not force regime change in Iraq. This meant US based clandestine organizations were now in a strategic bind in terms of accessing and exploiting the ET technology under the control of Saddam's regime. The US did not have the international authority to forcibly replace Saddam's regime and Saddam undoubtedly felt betrayed by the US. Clandestine European groups together with their Russian partners were in a stronger strategic position to their US partners/rivals in gaining access to and exploiting whatever ET technology existed in Iraq. Saddam was intent on having his vengeance against the US and Britain by denying all access to them. Given that the US had the most sophisticated reverse engineering program on the planet and was rapidly developing global preponderance as the world's lone superpower, this was a scenario that was deeply disturbing for US officials aware of the possible implications of the ET technology in Iraq to change the global balance of power. At the same time, European/Russian clandestine groups were concerned over the potential for the US to further consolidate its technological superiority and global dominance if it gained access to Iraq's ET technology.

Another obstacle to the plan of US based clandestine organizations to gain access to ET technology in Iraq, was the surprise election of President Bill Clinton in 1992. Unlike the first President Bush, Clinton was not privileged to information concerning the clandestine programs involving ET technology. Predictably, little happened during the period of the Clinton administration for completing the secret agenda of gaining unfettered access to Iraq's ET heritage. The election of the second Bush administration meant that the agenda of clandestine US organizations for gaining access to Iraq's ET heritage could resume. Many former officials from the first Bush and earlier Republican administrations supporting regime change in Iraq were appointed in the new administration.

In the build up to the threatened preemptive war in Iraq, a number of events had occurred that indicated that clandestine European/Russian organizations were at odds with their US partners/rivals. Germany was the first major nation that publically committed itself to ruling out a preemptive war against Iraq, irrespective of progress in the weapons inspection process that began after passage of Security Council Resolution 1441 on November, 8, 2002. Germany's staking out the ‘extreme position' made it possible for France, and then Russia, to take up the more moderate position of only calling for military intervention if Iraq failed to comply with Resolution 1441. France and Russia, effectively stymied US efforts in passing a further resolution calling for international military intervention in Iraq to remove any proscribed weapons of mass destruction.

Many have viewed the diplomatic opposition by the powerful trio of France, Russia and Germany to a preemptive war as being clearly in the interests of the world community united against the horror of an unnecessary war that would devastate the Persian Gulf region, and usher in more acts of terrorism in the Middle East and elsewhere. There is however evidence that what secretly motivated these nations is the awareness that US access to ET technology in Iraq would constitute a threat due to the growing power of US based clandestine organizations and their secret reverse engineering projects. US technological successes in reverse engineering ET technology must surely have been a concern for their less well funded and technically proficient partners/rivals in Russia, France and Germany. Importantly, European/Russian organizations were able to work within whatever constraints imposed by the regime of Saddam Hussein in reaching a preliminary understanding of the capabilities of this technology. A preemptive war that amounted to a unilateral take over of Iraq by the US and Britain, was something that European/Russian organizations would not support.

It is very likely that European/Russian clandestine organizations had ‘publically signaled' to their US counterparts that a unilateral takeover of Iraq was not acceptable. The destruction of the Space Shuttle Columbia on February 1 was very likely a result of the clandestine struggle over who would have access and control over Iraq's ET heritage. On March 5 an unusual amount of seismic activity had begun occurring around the planet. While much speculation surrounded the cause and seriousness of these seismic anomalies, it is worth exploring whether the anomalies were caused by advanced weapons technology that was either being tested or extensively used around the planet. The existence of advanced weaponry that could produce seismic activity, volcanoes and severe weather conditions was publically acknowledged by a speech given by former Secretary of Defense, William Cohen, in 1997, where at a conference discussing the threat posed by global terrorism he said: "Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves..." In a number of books and papers discussing ‘scalar weapons' which are capable of the effects described by Cohen, Tom Beardon suggests that such technology has been developed for decades by the former Soviet Union and other states. He provides extensive evidence that seismic and weather anomalies over the last thirty years have often been caused by these scalar weapons.

If anomalous seismic activity since February 5 was caused by scalar weaponry, then it is very likely that a secret war is occurring between clandestine groups over access and control over ET technology in Iraq. It is likely that European/Russian clandestine organizations are active in such a war that is being used to curtail US efforts to take sole control of Iraq's ET heritage. If a secret war is indeed occurring, then it is likely that in the interim before a new agreement is reached over access and control of ET technology in Iraq, there will continue to be a violent struggle between clandestine organizations that is kept from the public arena. Given the power of the ‘exotic' weaponry possessed by these clandestine groups, this means that the planet is entering a very dangerous period. As long as disagreement exists, and the US continues to project its power and control around the planet, violent opposition by non-US based clandestine groups is likely to occur.

The failure of a diplomatic solution to the Iraq crisis has ushered in a period of intense conflict between US based clandestine organizations with their former partners and now rivals in continental Europe who have aligned themselves with Russia. There is evidence that powerful exotic weapons such as scalar electromagnetic devices are being used around the planet in an effort to warn the US about overstepping itself, and to ‘encourage' a diplomatic solution to the current crisis over access and control of Iraq's ET heritage.

In the present political climate where the Bush administration appears intent on a unilateral foreign policy supported by a small number of loyal allies, there is likelihood of increased global conflict given the threat posed by US clandestine organizations gaining a strategic advantage over their European/Russian rivals. If predictions that the home world of the advanced race of ETs described by Sitchin is soon to reappear are accurate, this may help explain the intensified conflict between US and European/Russian clandestine organizations that currently exists. All clandestine groups may be jockeying for the best position in a race for ET technology and knowledge that may be necessary in a forthcoming ET confrontation/encounter that will determine the future of human civilization as we know it. The US led invasion of Iraq represents success of a decades long secret policy aimed at securing US access to Iraq's ET heritage.


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"The Lord" seems to be afraid of human advancement.
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I personally don't believe that God was afraid of human advancement, just the timing of it in relation to the schedule God has planned for mankind. When God created & gave freedom of choice to his creatures, to turn left or right, to kill or create life themselves; It was that mankind could 'share' creation with its creator. Not for the creature to escape out of the Earth & invade other worlds. God gave men & woman domination 'only' over the Earth, as recorded in the bibles Genesis, not other worlds. As the creator of mankind this is Gods prerogative that God reserves for himself alone, and no other.

How can it be that an Omnipotent, OMNISCIENT Creator wouldnt have known this ahead of time, would not have known EXACTLY what the human could/would do. Why is it that an Omnipotent "God" felt threatened enough by human progression that it felt the need to not only destroy the technical achievemnt, but scramble comminucations throughout the world?
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Of course God 'knew' this ahead of time, however when the story is written down of the events that happened at Babel thousands of years ago, Gods emotions of the moment are expressed. Gods 'Foreknowledge' is mentioned, it does say that God proclaims what would happen if the course of events was allowed to proceed, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them." So this is Gods 'Foreknowledge' in action, changing the course of humanities 'potential' future/history, which God does quite frequently as recorded in the Bible.

Since God has given Freedom to his creatures, in certain dire results of humans having personal freedom, God himself has to step into the world to divert/change his creatures course of actions at different times in history. If wars between nations were not allowed to happen by God, then humanities personal freedoms would be taken away completely, and all men and woman would be nothing but blind following robots to our creator.

However in the Tower of Babels case, God could not allow mankind to leave this Earth, as he instructed in the original commands given to Adam & Eve, we can do anything we want to Earth & its creatures the animals, however we are not allowed to travel beyond this world to others & seek to dominate other worlds and their created creatures.
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"The Lord" seems to be afraid of human advancement.


However in the Tower of Babels case, God could not allow mankind to leave this Earth, as he instructed in the original commands given to Adam & Eve, we can do anything we want to Earth & its creatures the animals, however we are not allowed to travel beyond this world to others & seek to dominate other worlds and their created creatures.
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I'm all for thinking outside the box, or concerning God, outside the Book.
This is another fine example of just how bad God has acted towards man. The God in the OT was simply 'out to get man at every turn', really such a 'bad' God.

I would think it might be a 'somewhat wise thing' to actually understand what the Book says and why things were done in a certain way, to His standards, not yours. I read a lot of posts that besmirch God all through the OT, yet the one who really does hate mankind is never ever mentioned. Lack of that condemnation might as well be a silent acceptance that God is the enemy and Satan is the benign one. Everybody has one master, God certainly isn't the master of the ones in this thread, so that only leaves one other that can be. Lots of luck with that choice.

You would think that a partial understanding (of the tower at Babel)might disperse some animosity towards God. Doubtful because another 'viewpoint' would just be dismissed as just plain wrong. God is the 'bad guy' and that is it. Jesus is the mirror of God, He doesn't have to accept you if you don't accept God.

Anyway, who wanted to get into Heaven, men were just expanding on the land, free from any other men, so it was there for the taking, no wars, just move in. Suddenly, all by themselves, they decide it would be more in their interest to go straight up.

The wisdom of man is already quite apparent in this thread. Who wants to get into the Heavens. Satan or whatever name you choose to call him. If Satan could get off Earth he could certainly survive above our world, he is originally from Heaven. The tower wasn't built for man to ascent into the Heavens, it was so Satan could again be in Heaven.

The Scripture that goes with the story of the tower is in the verses below,

Isa;14;12:
How art thou fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer,
son of the morning!
how art thou cut down to the ground,
which didst weaken the nations!

Satan go grounded to the Earth back in Ge:3, Satan was behind the building of the tower, that is how he weakened the nations. Because of his plan God destroyed the pure language that those people had. You don't need high-tech to make bricks and hold them together with tar, its a pretty low-key task. From making mud-bricks to carrying air into space are two quite different matters.

Isa;14;13:
For thou hast said in thine heart,
I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:
I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation,
in the sides of the north:

Fairly easy to understand that Satan was going to be the one to ascend into heaven via the tower.

Isa;14;14:
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
I will be like the most High.

The building was halted by God to stop Satan, it also stopped man from building anything of importance.



"If the international status quo remained, then at some point the Soviet Union might find these ET sites, and reverse engineer whatever technology existed and thereby eradicate whatever technological advantages the West might hold."

Kiln fired mud-bricks do not need reverse engineering, the instructions are given in the reference verses in the OP. So is the method of what was used to hold them together, tar.

"Under the first President Bush, Iraq and Kuwait became engaged in a diplomatic crisis over the overproduction of oil by Kuwait in 1991."

I would suggest you do a little research into slant-drilling. Kuwait was slant-drilling into Iraq oil-fields, that above anything else was the reason for Iraq's aggression towards Kuwait.

Certainly interesting the way the post the above quotes came from summarize the events that took place back then. Nothing about the US being booted out of Iran and then arming Saddam to fight a proxy war on America's behalf against Iran, including selling/giving him the same gases he was later hanged for using. He did use them, just not the time they said that resulted in his hanging.
If any research had been done I wouldn't have to be writting this.

It is just so much easier to have somebody give you the information but way too much trouble to verify that it is accurate. I guess why sheeple are called that, just swallow up anything put in front of them.

What makes you so sure they are looking for some technology to build things better, mud-bricks and tar. You would be wise to consider that they might be looking for something else they can use, as intended.
Re;9;14-19:
Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet,
Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
And the four angels were loosed,
which were prepared for an hour,
and a day,
and a month,
and a year,
for to slay the third part of men.
And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand:
and I heard the number of them.
And thus I saw the horses in the vision,
and them that sat on them,
having breastplates of fire,
and of jacinth,
and brimstone:
and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions;
and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
By these three was the third part of men killed,
by the fire,
and by the smoke,
and by the brimstone,
which issued out of their mouths.
For their power is in their mouth,
and in their tails:
for their tails were like unto serpents,
and had heads,
and with them they do hurt.
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Dexter, I agree with everything you said. This notion of a 'God' that micromanages its creation and shows petty emotions is ridiculous when you stop and really think about it. I'm glad we're almost to the point where we can evolve past this type of thinking to a better understanding of the real Creator and Source of all Life.


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Re: God at the Tower of Babel, took away humans understanding to build technology to travel to the Stars
Maybe God is not who you think it is.

1. We can argue semantics all day- but these verses show a plurality. Come , let us... etc.

2. Why would God really care if we went to space or not, unless god in this case was lord, as in overlord, as in lord of the manor-a political title, and not the supreme being.

3. Again an all powerful supreme being who comes into the picture at times to fix a screw up, is not all powerful or all knowing. The best examples are the fall of Adam and Eve, and the Flood.

4. I believe-at least I hope, that a supreme being exists. I do not believe that that being is who most people pray to, or who is addressed in our religous texts.
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Re: God at the Tower of Babel, took away humans understanding to build technology to travel to the Stars
Maybe God is not who you think it is.

1. We can argue semantics all day- but these verses show a plurality. Come , let us... etc.

2. Why would God really care if we went to space or not, unless god in this case was lord, as in overlord, as in lord of the manor-a political title, and not the supreme being.

3. Again an all powerful supreme being who comes into the picture at times to fix a screw up, is not all powerful or all knowing. The best examples are the fall of Adam and Eve, and the Flood.

4. I believe-at least I hope, that a supreme being exists. I do not believe that that being is who most people pray to, or who is addressed in our religous texts.
 Quoting: Dervish


I'll point it out again, even though God is Almighty & all knowing, with God having sovereign Almighty power over all things. It is only in giving his created creatures-humans, true uninhibited freedom of choice that brings 'cockups and screwups' into the world, by the free choices that humanity makes, not God.

However God steps into the world to correct wrong & dire human actions, when it looks like humans are going to end up destroying themselves; Or that we are going to go beyond the free movement of action that God has decreed, remember man is finite, while God is infinite. Man has boundries that man may try to force to escape from, however God has no boundries to cross, because he fills all places at the one same instant.

God creates boundries for his creatures that we are not allowed to cross, otherwise we get put back in our place, we are all like labrats remember; Whether we like it or not!
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Point taken, now what will he do when we still create dastardly things like nuclear weapons,and we speak different languages.

I would never say a supreme being does not exist. I think by using biblical texts, we see a political leader -something akin to ancient astronauts, than a supreme being.

You can argue that God of the books gave us free will. But then every prophecy out there based on these books is hogwash. You cannot have it both ways.
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03/15/2007 08:48 PM
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Yes I like how "The Lord" does not like the concept of human advancement OR humanity all understanding each other and cooperating peacefully. Yes it was this very section of the Bible that gave me a new understanding of exactly what "The Lord" is, and what has been done to humanity by "Him". I also really like how "The Lord" seems to be afraid of human advancement.

 Quoting: Dexter 145043



The mother of all Pre-emptive strikes. Kept us in the stone age and shittin in the woods for another 10,000 years.
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Maybe your knowledge would enlighten us.

Getting warmer...;)
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Yes I like how "The Lord" does not like the concept of human advancement OR humanity all understanding each other and cooperating peacefully. Yes it was this very section of the Bible that gave me a new understanding of exactly what "The Lord" is, and what has been done to humanity by "Him". I also really like how "The Lord" seems to be afraid of human advancement.




The mother of all Pre-emptive strikes. Kept us in the stone age and shittin in the woods for another 10,000 years.
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Thats the key isn't it....he didn't see it coming.
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Even now, all scientists agree that mathmetics is a universal language, don't they? I see no fault with this logic presented in the OP's statement.

Ever hear the statement "Evil knows no bounds"? God put a boundary on what He saw 'men' planning to do, further down the line. If He hadn't, who knows what other worlds would be in similar shape to what the Earth is now.
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I wonder though what would have happened to human destiny if God had allowed the events at Babel thousands of years ago to play out?

Where would mankind be now, conquering and destroying other worlds and their inhabitants, enslaving the other-worldly aliens and raping the resources of their homeworlds for mankinds benefit alone!

I think looking at how the Earth is run today by the nations, would be just exactly how humans would seek to rule and run other worlds!
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I wonder though what would have happened to human destiny if God had allowed the events at Babel thousands of years ago to play out?

Where would mankind be now, conquering and destroying other worlds and their inhabitants, enslaving the other-worldly aliens and raping the resources of their homeworlds for mankinds benefit alone!

I think looking at how the Earth is run today by the nations, would be just exactly how humans would seek to rule and run other worlds!
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Possible, or the god of old was an alien species who wanted to keep us from being a problem.
If we assume that some secret group now controls the world via money and wars, and also assume that this group can be linked to the ancient priests and servants of god---then I wonder how bad we would really be if we had a chance to go mingle with interstellar neighbors.
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LOL Dervish!! We can't even walk 'through' a neighborhood without wondering if someone is going to shoot, rob, rape, or just plain old yell at us for some imagined infraction of their privacy on this planet. And you are wondering how it would be if we had spread to several??? LOL LOL You have got to be kidding right?

OR

Lets say we live more 'lovingly' and peacefully on other said planets. Are we still the cause of global warming there too???

Seriously, look at what the Creator has given us. We are not managing the little that we have very wisely at all. If you had a manager running your business with the results we see all around us, are you really going to give him 3 or 4 more of your businesses to run, while you go start a few more???
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Yes I like how "The Lord" does not like the concept of human advancement OR humanity all understanding each other and cooperating peacefully. Yes it was this very section of the Bible that gave me a new understanding of exactly what "The Lord" is, and what has been done to humanity by "Him". I also really like how "The Lord" seems to be afraid of human advancement.

----<snip>

 Quoting: Dexter 145043


EXCELLENT post, Dexter! You are absolutely right.
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03/15/2007 09:27 PM
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Re: God at the Tower of Babel, took away humans understanding to build technology to travel to the Stars
Well maybe the present time is the moment planned by God for mankind to finally venture beyond this world. Or mayby not!

The peoples of the Earth are presently coming together in united languages and purposes, to use todays knowledge & technology to go beyond this world and conquer other planets.

Does anyone else have a feeling that God is going to come down shortly, to pay a visit openly in the eyes of all the world; And yet once again bring confusion and misunderstanding between the Babel nations of the world, and scatter us over the face of all the Earth through a World War 3.

He has all the power, and we truly have nothing; If mankind tries to take on an Almighty God in battle, to disobey his command to not travel beyond Earths boundaries, mankind will lose every time.
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"YOU WORK FOR US NO MORE YOU LITTLE MONKEY BASTARDS! LEAVE YOUR LANGUAGE IN THE DESK BEFORE YOU LEAVE!"
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There is a lot of truth to this thread...there are reasons why I have not been allowed to go to Iraq. I was set to go. Yes, I know a war broke out, but there are a lot of things that are very fishy...
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I love archeology. Don't know the procedures, the how to's or any of that, but it intrigues me to no end. I can't wait for the day we get to know the whole truth and nothing but the truth. It sure would make for a long movie!
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I personally believe that the monuments that are claimed to be on the moon and on Mars weren't built by extra-terrestrials. They were built by humans, pre-flood.
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Even now, all scientists agree that mathmetics is a universal language, don't they? I see no fault with this logic presented in the OP's statement.

Ever hear the statement "Evil knows no bounds"? God put a boundary on what He saw 'men' planning to do, further down the line. If He hadn't, who knows what other worlds would be in similar shape to what the Earth is now.
 Quoting: JCD


Please go back to bed!!!
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I wonder though what would have happened to human destiny if God had allowed the events at Babel thousands of years ago to play out?

Where would mankind be now, conquering and destroying other worlds and their inhabitants, enslaving the other-worldly aliens and raping the resources of their homeworlds for mankinds benefit alone!

I think looking at how the Earth is run today by the nations, would be just exactly how humans would seek to rule and run other worlds!
 Quoting: SpaceCadet


You're right. The ancient "god" would say this - "Don't do like I do, just do like I say."
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LOL Dervish!! We can't even walk 'through' a neighborhood without wondering if someone is going to shoot, rob, rape, or just plain old yell at us for some imagined infraction of their privacy on this planet. And you are wondering how it would be if we had spread to several??? LOL LOL You have got to be kidding right?

OR

Lets say we live more 'lovingly' and peacefully on other said planets. Are we still the cause of global warming there too???

Seriously, look at what the Creator has given us. We are not managing the little that we have very wisely at all. If you had a manager running your business with the results we see all around us, are you really going to give him 3 or 4 more of your businesses to run, while you go start a few more???
 Quoting: JCD


You forget one MAJOR thing. Mankind was DUMBED DOWN!!!! Now, please, pleasae, go back to bed!
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There is a stargate in Iraq, yes a stargate and much more.

it is
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I laugh at all you idiots who talk about Satan. If it weren't for Satan, most of you wouldn't come to know God. It's human nature to become complacent, and from complacent, to become arrogant. Look at yourselves now. You only find your self-righteousness by talking of gloom and doom.

And thus, even Satan serves the God.


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