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Golly-gee, NASA says there's ice on Martian South Pole
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Emperor Kenton
User ID: 178117
3/16/2007 10:05 PM
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thuro
User ID: 42442
3/16/2007 10:07 PM
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yeah, and why nothing back from those fancy rovers? Proximity?
"is that a sears poncho or is that a real poncho?Hmm...no foolin" |
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AC
User ID: 209980
3/16/2007 10:09 PM | | Re: Golly-gee, NASA says there's ice on Martian South Pole | Quote |
let´s talk about terraforming...please |
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Emperor Kenton
User ID: 178117
3/16/2007 10:20 PM
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Once Sagan [RIP] a-gandering at MARINER 9, said it was a hotspot, even mentioned pyramids
[link to cyberspaceorbit.com]
So Kent thought, gosh, guess I should look around Elysium on Mars Global Surveyor. Found this:
START HERE:
ELYSIUM QUADRANT ON MARS ATLAS
[link to www.cyberspaceorbit.com]
ZOOM TO THE ELYSIUM RISE
[link to www.cyberspaceorbit.com]
ZOOM AGAIN
[link to www.cyberspaceorbit.com]
ZOOM AGAIN
[link to www.cyberspaceorbit.com]
LAKE STEADMAN
[link to www.cyberspaceorbit.com]
Yep, worst hornet's nest I ever stirred up, searched all around MGS Atlas on a clue from Sagan to look at Elysium.
Found a lake or frozen lake or brine lake and emailed Planetary Society who gave me a song and dance about procedures, then an Ex-NASA guy hand-carried the data into NASA, then NASA started having closed meetings, heh, subject Terraforming Mars. Then I caught a raft of flak from NASA geeks concerning: ARTISTS DON'T DISCOVER STUFF.
So I named it Lake Steadman to piss them off.
FRIEND: what was the correct procedures
BARDSQUILL: never could figure that out
BARDSQUILL: raise hell for months seemed to work best
[link to www.cyberspaceorbit.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 195393
3/16/2007 10:27 PM | | Re: Golly-gee, NASA says there's ice on Martian South Pole | Quote |
Didn't you see Ghosts On Mars? I'll tell you what...I have never seen such supernatural activity as when Mars got so close to Earth a few years back. I thought it was cool. |
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Emperor Kenton
User ID: 178117
3/16/2007 10:28 PM
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Emperor Kenton
User ID: 178117
3/16/2007 10:32 PM
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Wanna know what the deal is, eh?
Here's the deal:
When I was a young boy I was taken by the findings of Percival Lowell and the canals on Mars. Lowell thought he witnessed the retreat of a Martian civilization. Interpretations of H.G Wells and Edgar Rice Burroughs captured public vision--scholars and the average man on the streets mused about life on Mars.
But then the stern Medievalists stepped in with their fundamental nix. Dimwitted priests warned to avoid the Mysteries. Blackcoats [dumbass Jesuit astronomers sworn to protect dogma] scrambled for academic letters in astronomy and leapt to regain hold on knowledge and facility. Did they fear that their priestly mojo was slipping the noose?
[link to www.cyberspaceorbit.com]
Lowell:
[link to www.cyberspaceorbit.com]
Lowell's canals:
[link to www.cyberspaceorbit.com]
Mars Global Surveyor:
[link to www.cyberspaceorbit.com]
[link to www.cyberspaceorbit.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 209988
3/16/2007 10:35 PM | | Re: Golly-gee, NASA says there's ice on Martian South Pole | Quote |
Terra forming mars would be a slap to the humanoids occupying that planet now. They would wage war with us and they are millions of years more advance than us. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 107601
3/16/2007 10:36 PM | | Re: Golly-gee, NASA says there's ice on Martian South Pole | Quote |
When do we build condos and a golf course? |
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Emperor Kenton
User ID: 178117
3/16/2007 10:46 PM
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When do we build condos and a golf course? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 107601
The fishing is awesome, Martian Loch Ness Bass!
[link to www.cyberspaceorbit.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 195393
3/16/2007 10:53 PM | | Re: Golly-gee, NASA says there's ice on Martian South Pole | Quote |
Do you think there are Ghosts on Mars, Kent? |
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GREY LENSMAN 
User ID: 208225
3/16/2007 10:58 PM
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AND THEY ASK
"WHERE DID THE REST OF THE WATER GO"
THE EVIDENCE IS ALL THERE, BUT CLOSED MINDS JUST CANNOT SEE THE WOODS FOR THE TREES.
YOUR PICTURES OF LAKE STEADMAN ARE JUST AS IMPORTANT AS PICTURES OF THE FACE, YET I HAVE SEEN NO MAINSTREAM COMMENTARY ON THEM.
GL
greylensman@rocketmail.com |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 209988
3/16/2007 11:00 PM | | Re: Golly-gee, NASA says there's ice on Martian South Pole | Quote |
And the humanoids there, live in underground cities connected by tunnels sporting magnetic trains. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 207686
3/16/2007 11:04 PM | | Re: Golly-gee, NASA says there's ice on Martian South Pole | Quote |
Wanna know what the deal is, eh?
Here's the deal:
When I was a young boy I was taken by the findings of Percival Lowell and the canals on Mars. Lowell thought he witnessed the retreat of a Martian civilization. Interpretations of H.G Wells and Edgar Rice Burroughs captured public vision--scholars and the average man on the streets mused about life on Mars.
But then the stern Medievalists stepped in with their fundamental nix. Dimwitted priests warned to avoid the Mysteries. Blackcoats [dumbass Jesuit astronomers sworn to protect dogma] scrambled for academic letters in astronomy and leapt to regain hold on knowledge and facility. Did they fear that their priestly mojo was slipping the noose?
[ link to www.cyberspaceorbit.com]
............
A little miss leading the way you have your paragraphs.
Do you have anything on the Jesuits in this century? |
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Emperor Kenton
User ID: 178117
3/16/2007 11:10 PM
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YOUR PICTURES OF LAKE STEADMAN ARE JUST AS IMPORTANT AS PICTURES OF THE FACE, YET I HAVE SEEN NO MAINSTREAM COMMENTARY ON THEM.
GL Quoting: GREY LENSMAN
Well the lads are getting braver, last Mars TV production, they said, yup, evidence of water flow, even a plumbing system:
In the Feb. 16 issue of the journal Science, University of Arizona [Blackcoat nest] researchers Chris Okubo and Alfred McEwen argue that the halos are proof that some form of fluid—either water, liquid carbon dioxide or a combination of the two—once flowed through the bedrock.
[link to www.cyberspaceorbit.com]
[link to www.cyberspaceorbit.com]
Ata-boys, brave up lads, tis a good day to [professionally] die. [Sioux]
[link to www.cyberspaceorbit.com] |
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TERROR-FORM
User ID: 32062
3/16/2007 11:21 PM | | Re: Golly-gee, NASA says there's ice on Martian South Pole | Quote |
Terra forming mars would be a slap to the humanoids occupying that planet now. They would wage war with us and they are millions of years more advance than us. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 209988
Those humanoids perished in a global skirmish which reduced their planet to it's present condition. Terraforming it would be returning it to the state it was in millions of years ago. |
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Sir_Chancealot
User ID: 164485
3/16/2007 11:24 PM
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Why is this a big surprise?????
When I was a young kid, back in the mid 70s, everyone KNEW there was water on Mars. There wasn't any question. Hell, you could see the MASSIVE ICE CAPS on the poles. Go get a picture of Mars from about 1976-78 if you don't believe me.
The only question was whether it ever got warm enough to turn to water, and most scientists thought that it did.
Why doesn't anyone remember this????? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 32062
3/16/2007 11:33 PM | | Re: Golly-gee, NASA says there's ice on Martian South Pole | Quote |
Why is this a big surprise?????
When I was a young kid, back in the mid 70s, everyone KNEW there was water on Mars. There wasn't any question. Hell, you could see the MASSIVE ICE CAPS on the poles. Go get a picture of Mars from about 1976-78 if you don't believe me.
The only question was whether it ever got warm enough to turn to water, and most scientists thought that it did.
Why doesn't anyone remember this????? Quoting: Sir_Chancealot
As I recall, the temperature near the surface can reach 70 degrees farenheit. Don't know if that would be enough to create surface runoff. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 209988
3/16/2007 11:37 PM | | Re: Golly-gee, NASA says there's ice on Martian South Pole | Quote |
Terra forming mars would be a slap to the humanoids occupying that planet now. They would wage war with us and they are millions of years more advance than us.
Those humanoids perished in a global skirmish which reduced their planet to it's present condition. Terraforming it would be returning it to the state it was in millions of years ago. Quoting: TERROR-FORM 32062
You are a turd. They live underground. |
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GREY LENSMAN
User ID: 208225
3/16/2007 11:43 PM
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HOW DOES THE REAL SCIENCE STACK UP.
WATER FREEZES AT ZERO DEGREES C
WATER BOILS AT 100 DEGREES C
AS AIR PRESSURE DROPS SO DOES BOILING POINT OF WATER
MARS ATMOSPJERE IS 1/100 PRESSURE OF EARTHS ATMOSPHERE
SO HOW DOES WATER REALLY BEHAVE IN THE MARS ENVIRONMENT.
SURFACE TENSION, ANY MARTIAN WIND COULD NOT RIPPLE THE WATER SURFACE.
SIMPLE QUESTIONS TO WHICH THERE ARE SIMPLE ANSWERS.
GL
greylensman@rocketmail.com |
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B
User ID: 181643
3/16/2007 11:55 PM | | Re: Golly-gee, NASA says there's ice on Martian South Pole | Quote |
We all knew there was ice on Mars, but didn't know
it was so massive. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 209988
3/17/2007 12:01 AM | | Re: Golly-gee, NASA says there's ice on Martian South Pole | Quote |
THE TRUTH ABOUT MARS
by
ERNEST L. NORMAN
© Copyright 1956 by Ernest L. Norman
Published by
UNARIUS - SCIENCE OF LIFE
P.O. Box 216
Glendale, California 91214
[link to www.firedocs.com]
Remember this was publish in 1956, here's an excerpt:
"I was immediately impressed by the soft white light that seemed to come from everywhere. We were standing near the entrance of a large tube. On Mars the cities are all UNDERGROUND and are connected together by huge oval metal tubes from three to five hundred feet in diameter. There are monorail cars as long as our pullman trains which glide silently and very swiftly from one city to another. The bottoms of these immense tubes are used for parks, growing foodstuffs and innumerable small manufacturing plants."
"The cities are laid out like a wheel. The center hub is a very large circular structure which houses the various municipal and civic governmental departments. Underground is a very large atomic power plant for supplying the cities' needs. The streets stretch away from the hub like spokes, and at regular intervals circular streets are intersected; this is similar to our national capital. The streets which radiate from the hub rise at a very gentle rate of inclination. The houses and other buildings are built on low elevations which rise like tiers. Walking up one of these streets gives one the impression of walking on air, as the paving is of a springy plastic material in a very soft shade of green. Stopping to inspect some of the houses, I am nearly overwhelmed by their wondrous beauty, simplicity and charm. In every small, vacant space in the streets and grounds around the houses are growing plants. These are mostly fruits and vegetables. They are planted in metal troughs and other containers. The soil is a mixture of natural and artificial plant humus and moss. The houses and buildings are semi-prefabricated in a wide variety of plastic of pastel shades. The walls are formed of two sheets of thin plastic about two inches apart. After the walls are fastened together, a liquid foam like plastic material is injected or blown in between the walls. After this hardens, it gives the whole structure tremendous strength. This hardened plastic foam acts also as a good insulator."
Now in the present time:
Does Mars Methane Indicate Life Underground?
[link to news.nationalgeographic.com] |
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killdamon
User ID: 126286
3/17/2007 12:23 AM | | Re: Golly-gee, NASA says there's ice on Martian South Pole | Quote |
Why is this a big surprise?????
When I was a young kid, back in the mid 70s, everyone KNEW there was water on Mars. There wasn't any question. Hell, you could see the MASSIVE ICE CAPS on the poles. Go get a picture of Mars from about 1976-78 if you don't believe me.
The only question was whether it ever got warm enough to turn to water, and most scientists thought that it did.
Why doesn't anyone remember this????? Quoting: Sir_Chancealot
Here's a good mars truth site: [link to www.enterprisemission.com] . And, with the suns new intense radiance heating up all the planets in our solar system, those ice caps on mars i bet are melting . get the raft out.  .
Just passing thru.
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NasTraDooMis - Aka, killdamon |
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Sir_Chancealot
User ID: 164485
3/17/2007 12:25 AM
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We all knew there was ice on Mars, but didn't know
it was so massive. Quoting: B 181643
YES WE DID! At least those of us who were alive and interested in science in the late 70s knew!
Go get an old science book and LOOK AT THE PICTURES OF MARS. THE ICE CAPS WERE HUGE. The only question was whether it got warm enough for the ice to melt to water.
Edit: I just spent a while looking for whole-world pictures of mars from the late 70s.
Viking 1 landed in 1976. I couldn't find any. It seems strange that I can find images ON mars from 76, but not pictures of the whole planet from that time frame. Perhaps I am just looking in the wrong place. |
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killdamon
User ID: 126286
3/17/2007 12:29 AM | | Re: Golly-gee, NASA says there's ice on Martian South Pole | Quote |
Here we go again, this is the rest of the text i tried to post above: And, with the suns new intense radiance heating up all the planets in our solar system, those ice caps on mars i bet are melting . get the raft out. Its not posted above but if i go to the edit section for that post, it is there. WTF?
Just passing thru.
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Glaciernater
User ID: 205098
3/17/2007 12:52 AM | | Re: Golly-gee, NASA says there's ice on Martian South Pole | Quote |
For the memory of a life time....... Recall Recall RECALLLLLLL
No but serriously.. we need to send the "Glaciernater" over there to bust that shit up with some alien glow poles. Now that would be cool. :D |
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Emperor Kenton
User ID: 178117
3/17/2007 12:52 AM
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Emperor Kenton
User ID: 178117
3/17/2007 1:14 AM
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Do you think there are Ghosts on Mars, Kent? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 195393
Probably, ghosts in Arizona, everywhere, former astronomers cursed to wander....
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 185328
3/17/2007 1:34 AM | | Re: Golly-gee, NASA says there's ice on Martian South Pole | Quote |
Why is this a big surprise?????
When I was a young kid, back in the mid 70s, everyone KNEW there was water on Mars. There wasn't any question. Hell, you could see the MASSIVE ICE CAPS on the poles. Go get a picture of Mars from about 1976-78 if you don't believe me.
The only question was whether it ever got warm enough to turn to water, and most scientists thought that it did.
Why doesn't anyone remember this????? Quoting: Sir_Chancealot
Yes there is ice on the poles and when it does get warm enough it turns to Co2 gas. |
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Emperor Kenton
User ID: 178117
3/17/2007 1:50 AM
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"The way the surface has responded is bizarre," said lead rover scientist Steve Squyres of Cornell University, at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL), which is managing the mission. "I don't understand it. I don't know anybody on my team who understands it. . . . It looks like mud, but it can't be mud."
[link to www.stevequayle.com]
[originally Washington Post, 2004 Jan6]
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Emperor Kenton
User ID: 178117
3/17/2007 2:41 AM
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Water Could Stay Liquid on Mars
[link to www.space.com]
"It was thought that any liquid on the surface would evaporate almost immediately," Julie Chittenden, a graduate student with the Arkansas Center for Space and Planetary Sciences told SPACE.com. "These brine solutions enable water to stay liquid at colder temperatures. If you expose these brine solutions to cold temperatures, they can exist for a very long period of time."
Cassini Finds Signs of Liquid Water on Saturn's Moon
[link to www.space.com]
Saturn’s moon Enceladus may have pockets of liquid water lurking beneath its surface, feeding great jets that spew from the satellite and hinting at the possibility of a habitable environment, researchers said Thursday.
Early water on Earth
[link to www.geotimes.org]
Geologists have long thought that Earth’s first 500 million years were as hot as Hades, dubbing this time frame the Hadean. The high temperatures would have prevented liquid water from condensing on the surface. But new findings on zircon grains, Earth’s oldest known terrestrial materials, suggest that the Hadean might have hosted liquid water.
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