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Khalid "Confessed" To Targeting Bank Founded After His Arrest

 
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Khalid Shaikh Mohammed's alleged confession testimony has been thoroughly discredited after it emerged that one of the targets he identified, the Plaza Bank, was not founded until 2006, four years after the alleged Al-Qaeda mastermind's arrest.

In his confession, KSM claims, "I was responsible for planning, training, surveying, and financing for the New (or Second) Wave of attacks against the following skyscrapers after 9/11: ...Plaza Bank, Washington state."

[link to prisonplanet.com]

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hi Shadow, good catch!!!

Those stupid inventors of confessions, ha!
Now where is jar-hater!
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Too bad you didnt look up the info first.

WASHINGTON -- Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks, confessed to those and a string of other terrorism plots, including one in Washington state, during a military hearing at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, according to a transcript released Wednesday by the Pentagon.

Buried on page 18 of the transcript is the claim that Mohammed's terrorists planned to hit a "Plaza Bank" in Washington state during the second wave of attacks after Sept. 11. The transcript gives no further details.

No Seattle bank went by that name before 2006. But in 2004, the Sept. 11 commission concluded that Mohammed had originally planned the attacks to include "the tallest buildings in California and Washington state." The Columbia Center in Seattle is the tallest building in Washington.


Hmmmmm Columbia Center address -Fifth Avenue

Plaza Bank address - Fifth Avenue
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Hey Dil! hi

Wasn't it just late '06 the dick approved waterboarding?
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Sigma if he named it Plaza Bank then that's a clear proof the confession made a mistake, he could not have known that bank's name.

Go figure!
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..... the confession inventors ....
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Your reach exceeds your grasp Sigma.
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Sigma if he named it Plaza Bank then that's a clear proof the confession made a mistake, he could not have known that bank's name.

Go figure!
 Quoting: Dil 51202

So in 2001 the US identifies he was targeting the building that the Plaza Bank would later be in, then when he mentions it as Plaza Bank now, it's bogus?
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Your reach exceeds your grasp Sigma.
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Awwww poor baby, it's always easier to play dumb and believe everything you read. It's ok, I understand your dilemma.
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So in 2001 the US identifies he was targeting the building that the Plaza Bank would later be in, then when he mentions it as Plaza Bank now, it's bogus?
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Yeah what else?
You really believe the interrogators gave him the name so that it fits?
Fantasy ahoi.
You still trust your gubblemint?
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So in 2001 the US identifies he was targeting the building that the Plaza Bank would later be in, then when he mentions it as Plaza Bank now, it's bogus?

Yeah what else?
You really believe the interrogators gave him the name so that it fits?
Fantasy ahoi.
You still trust your gubblemint?
 Quoting: Dil 51202

Lol Dil! I don't trust the government one bit. There is a difference in making stories fit what you WANT to believe though. ;)
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If they were planning on attacking that building, hmmmm, gee, you think they may have been keeping tabs on it?


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Awwww poor baby, it's always easier to play dumb and believe everything you read. It's ok, I understand your dilemma.
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So...a WA bank in 2004 was a target in NY 2001 as proven by the fact that it was a tall building on 5th ave in Seattle?

Try again.
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Awwww poor baby, it's always easier to play dumb and believe everything you read. It's ok, I understand your dilemma.


So...a WA bank in 2004 was a target in NY 2001 as proven by the fact that it was a tall building on 5th ave in Seattle?

Try again.
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You're not the sharpest tool in the shed are ya? The target was the tallest buildings - maybe you had trouble reading the above snipet.
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You're not the sharpest tool in the shed are ya? The target was the tallest buildings - maybe you had trouble reading the above snipet.
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Is 'the tallest building' all you have? Library Tower on West 5th Street L.A. is taller.

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You're not the sharpest tool in the shed are ya? The target was the tallest buildings - maybe you had trouble reading the above snipet.


Is 'the tallest building' all you have? Library Tower on West 5th Street L.A. is taller.

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer are you?
 Quoting: Shadow

Which part of this is so hard for you to comprehend?
"No Seattle bank went by that name before 2006. But in 2004, the Sept. 11 commission concluded that Mohammed had originally planned the attacks to include "the tallest buildings in California and Washington state." The Columbia Center in Seattle is the tallest building in Washington."

See that word "AND"? Not "or", but "AND"?


Your lame attempt to make your info fit your cause is pretty lackluster, much the way your 'not the sharpest knife in the drawer' comment comes right after my comment to you that was almost identical. I will leave you to your little blog quote.
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Too bad you didnt look up the info first.

WASHINGTON -- Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks, confessed to those and a string of other terrorism plots, including one in Washington state, during a military hearing at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, according to a transcript released Wednesday by the Pentagon.

Buried on page 18 of the transcript is the claim that Mohammed's terrorists planned to hit a "Plaza Bank" in Washington state during the second wave of attacks after Sept. 11. The transcript gives no further details.

No Seattle bank went by that name before 2006. But in 2004, the Sept. 11 commission concluded that Mohammed had originally planned the attacks to include "the tallest buildings in California and Washington state." The Columbia Center in Seattle is the tallest building in Washington.


Hmmmmm Columbia Center address -Fifth Avenue

Plaza Bank address - Fifth Avenue
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Where's the link to this?
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As I stated previously, "how convenient"...

And it turns out that among his "confessions", he confessed to attacking a bank which was only FOUNDED AFTER HIS INCARCERATION!

Man-oh-man... now that's some magic, eh?

"KSM "Confessed" To Attacking Bank Founded After His Arrest

Fallacy of testimony exposed as story blows up in Pentagon's face"

excerpt:

Khalid Shaikh Mohammed's alleged confession testimony has been thoroughly discredited after it emerged that one of the targets he identified, the Plaza Bank, was not founded until 2006, four years after the alleged Al-Qaeda mastermind's arrest.

In his confession, KSM claims, "I was responsible for planning, training, surveying, and financing for the New (or Second) Wave of attacks against the following skyscrapers after 9/11: ...Plaza Bank, Washington state."

KSM was arrested in March 2003. According to the Plaza Bank's website , the organization was founded in early 2006, making it impossible for KSM to have even known of the bank's existence before 2003, never mind plotted against it.

[link to www.infowars.com] est.htm

And if your reply is "oh, that's just another conspiracy theory website", how about Time & CNN? Check out this one "Why KSM's Confession Rings False":
[link to www.time.com]

As well as "Can KSM's Confession Be Believed?":
[link to www.time.com]

So, just keep believing the "official story"... In that case your Fiat is indestructable, "trickle-down economy" works, the Cuban Embargo will take down Fidel's government, Bush wants any leakers of Plame's identity to be prosecuted, and bunnies lay Easter eggs...

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By the way... I'm working on a 24 story building in construction... Looking down the elevator shaft, at all the concrete slab floors... and just trying to imagine HOW it could "pancake" down at free-fall speed (which would be about three seconds)... directly upon its footprint... and not leaving any "pancake" slabs of concrete, but instead "pulverizing" all the concrete into fine dust particles in the process...

That would be an exact parallel with the collapse of the 3rd World Trade Center building to collapse on September 11th (WTC #7 - by the way the one that is described in the 1st post of this thread... with the BBC journalist reading the description of its collapse while:
-she is standing in front of a window where the building can be seen clearly - standing full tall
-the time-stamp on the news ticker is more than TWENTY MINUTES BEFORE the actual collapse)

Welcome to the Matrix... or keep bleating?
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How many floors of the skyscraper does the Bank occupy? Are you suggesting the plot was to fly planes into those specific floors? It is obvious "Plaza Bank" has been used to identify the tower, when in reality it doesn't appear to.
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Sigma, your entire premis is based on the 9/11 commission's anticipation of the 'second wave of attacks' that never happened. A 9/11 commission selected by Rove to obfuscate and obliterate any questions that might (and have) been asked.
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Shadow and Sigma in a mud pit!!??

Now I'd pay good money to see that!!!


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So Shadow, can YOU show and quote his EXACT tesitimony where he said "Plaza Bank"?

Or was this from someone who was relaring the story in understandible terms that said Plaza Bank so people would understand what was being talked about.

Let me give you an example. I'm from Detroit and one of the tallest buildings there is the Penobscot Building built in the late 20's. That's the name I grew up knowing and what I call the building by. I've now lived in Florida for a long time. If I made a reference of the Penobscot Building to a young Detroiter chances are they would not know what I'm talking about as it has been know by another name for quite some time (might be the Manufacturer's Bank building but I'm not sure).

So unless you know the EXACT quote of the mans testimony I think it rather presumptuous to make your topics claim.
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Details of the confession, released on Wednesday by the Pentagon, could not immediately be confirmed, but many refer to locations for which the United States and other nations have issued terrorism warnings based on what they have deemed credible threats from 1993 to the present.

Second wave

Among them, according to the extraordinary confession: In the United States, Mohammad said he had planned or helped plan a second wave of attacks after 9/11 on nuclear power plants, Library Tower in Los Angeles, the Sears Tower in Chicago, the Plaza Bank building in Seattle, and the Empire State Building, stock exchange and other financial institutions and bridges in New York. Most of these facilities had been the subject of earlier warnings.


[link to archive.gulfnews.com]
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You're not the sharpest tool in the shed are ya? The target was the tallest buildings - maybe you had trouble reading the above snipet.


Is 'the tallest building' all you have? Library Tower on West 5th Street L.A. is taller.

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer are you?
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Library Tower
It consists of 73 stories above ground and two parking levels below ground.


Columbia Center = 76-story



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Details of the confession, released on Wednesday by the Pentagon, could not immediately be confirmed, but many refer to locations for which the United States and other nations have issued terrorism warnings based on what they have deemed credible threats from 1993 to the present.

Second wave

Among them, according to the extraordinary confession: In the United States, Mohammad said he had planned or helped plan a second wave of attacks after 9/11 on nuclear power plants, Library Tower in Los Angeles, the Sears Tower in Chicago, the Plaza Bank building in Seattle, and the Empire State Building, stock exchange and other financial institutions and bridges in New York. Most of these facilities had been the subject of earlier warnings.


[link to archive.gulfnews.com]
 Quoting: Shadow

Well there ya go - THE PLAZA BANK BUILDING Or did you not notice that either?


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By the way... I'm working on a 24 story building in construction... Looking down the elevator shaft, at all the concrete slab floors... and just trying to imagine HOW it could "pancake" down at free-fall speed (which would be about three seconds)... directly upon its footprint... and not leaving any "pancake" slabs of concrete, but instead "pulverizing" all the concrete into fine dust particles in the process...

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 209702


If you are familiar with the WTC towers construction you would know the following. The concrete used in the floors was not your usual concrete mix. It was a special "light" concrete mix. The construction of the towers was rather novel in some ways. The "light" concrete was necessary to stay within the load holding specifications of the stuctural steel that was supporting it.

This one fact in itself should be very telling. First of all "light" concrete would indeed be expected to be pulverized in the insueing disaster. Second of all this reflects the fact that the towers had a lot less "overbuilding" built into it then you have been lead to believe.

Some of the fire inspectors involved in the construction of the towers did not have kind things to say about the overall building methods used. They did not think the building safe from fire to the extent of say the Empire State building.
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So Shadow, can YOU show and quote his EXACT tesitimony where he said "Plaza Bank"?
 Quoting: Artist FKA HiRisque


In case it escaped you, the point wasn't the Plaza Bank or the Sears Tower, or even the WTC, the point was the admission of targeting a facility that did not yet exist.
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Library Tower
It consists of 73 stories above ground and two parking levels below ground.


Columbia Center = 76-story
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The tallest building in a targeted State on 5th ave., what are you looking for?
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Sigma if he named it Plaza Bank then that's a clear proof the confession made a mistake, he could not have known that bank's name.

Go figure!

So in 2001 the US identifies he was targeting the building that the Plaza Bank would later be in, then when he mentions it as Plaza Bank now, it's bogus?
 Quoting: Sigma


How long has the guy been held in solitary confinement again?

Do you think they've been letting him read the business section of the Seattle Post Intelligencer?

How, being locked away in the dungeons of Guantanamo, did he come to learn the location (or even of the existence) of the newly founded Plaza Bank?
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How long has the guy been held in solitary confinement again?
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4 years. He was captured in Rawalpindi, Pakistan on March 1, 2003 by the Pakistani ISI, possibly in a joint action with agents of the American Federal Bureau of Investigation.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Here, you could learn something from Saddam, lmao

"Saddam likes to watch TV, monitoring the Iraqi stations he controls and also CNN, Sky, al Jazeera, and the BBC. He enjoys movies, particularly those involving intrigue, assassination, and conspiracy—The Day of the Jackal, The Conversation, Enemy of the State. Because he has not traveled extensively, such movies inform his ideas about the world and feed his inclination to believe broad conspiracy theories. To him the world is a puzzle that only fools accept at face value."
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