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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 509066
10/14/2008 12:48 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
FBI says, it has “No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11”
By Ed Haas
06/18/06 "Muckraker Report " - June 6, 2006 – This past weekend, a thought provoking e-mail circulated through Internet news groups, and was sent to the Muckraker Report by Mr. Paul V. Sheridan (Winner of the 2005 Civil Justice Foundation Award), bringing attention to the FBI’s Most Wanted Terrorist web page for Usama Bin Laden.[1] (See bottom of this web page for Most Wanted page) In the e-mail, the question is asked, “Why doesn’t Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted poster make any direct connection with the events of September 11, 2001?” The FBI says on its Bin Laden web page that Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998 bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. According to the FBI, these attacks killed over 200 people. The FBI concludes its reason for “wanting” Bin Laden by saying, “In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorists attacks throughout the world.”
On June 5, 2006, the Muckraker Report contacted the FBI Headquarters, (202) 324-3000, to learn why Bin Laden’s Most Wanted poster did not indicate that Usama was also wanted in connection with 9/11. The Muckraker Report spoke with Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI. When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden’s Most Wanted web page, Tomb said, “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”
Surprised by the ease in which this FBI spokesman made such an astonishing statement, I asked, “How this was possible?” Tomb continued, “Bin Laden has not been formally charged in connection to 9/11.” I asked, “How does that work?” Tomb continued, “The FBI gathers evidence. Once evidence is gathered, it is turned over to the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice than decides whether it has enough evidence to present to a federal grand jury. In the case of the 1998 United States Embassies being bombed, Bin Laden has been formally indicted and charged by a grand jury. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connected Bin Laden to 9/11.”
It shouldn’t take long before the full meaning of these FBI statements start to prick your brain and raise your blood pressure. If you think the way I think, in quick order you will be wrestling with a barrage of very powerful questions that must be answered. First and foremost, if the U.S. government does not have enough hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11, how is it possible that it had enough evidence to invade Afghanistan to “smoke him out of his cave?” The federal government claims to have invaded Afghanistan to “root out” Bin Laden and the Taliban. Through the talking heads in the mainstream media, the Bush Administration told the American people that Usama Bin Laden was Public Enemy Number One and responsible for the deaths of nearly 3000 people on September 11, 2001. Yet nearly five years later, the FBI says that it has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.
Next is the Bin Laden “confession” video that was released by the U.S. government on December 13, 2001. Most Americans remember this video. It was the video showing Bin Laden with a few of his comrades recounting with delight the September 11 terrorist attacks against the United States. The Department of Defense issued a press release to accompany this video in which Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld said, “There was no doubt of bin Laden’s responsibility for the September 11 attacks before the tape was discovered.”[2] What Rumsfeld implied by his statement was that Bin Laden was the known mastermind behind 9/11 even before the “confession video” and that the video simply served to confirm what the U.S. government already knew; that Bin Laden was responsible for the 9/11 attacks.
In a BBC News article[3] reporting on the “9/11 confession video” release, President Bush is said to have been hesitant to release the tape because he knew it would be a vivid reminder to many people of their loss. But, he also knew it would be “a devastating declaration” of Bin Laden’s guilt. “Were going to get him,” said President Bush. “Dead or alive, it doesn’t matter to me.”
In a CNN article[4] regarding the Bin Laden tape, then New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani said that “the tape removes any doubt that the U.S. military campaign targeting bin Laden and his associates is more than justified.” Senator Richard Shelby, R-Alabama, the vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee said, “The tape’s release is central to informing people in the outside world who don’t believe bin Laden was involved in the September 11 attacks.” Shelby went on to say “I don’t know how they can be in denial after they see this tape.” Well Senator Shelby, apparently the Federal Bureau of Investigation isn’t convinced by the taped confession, so why are you?
The Muckraker Report attempted to secure a reference to the U.S. government authenticating the Bin Laden “confession video”, to no avail. However, it is conclusive that the Bush Administration and U.S. Congress, along with the dead stream media, played the video as if it was authentic. So why doesn’t the FBI view the “confession video” as hard evidence? After all, if the FBI is investigating a crime such as drug trafficking, and it discovers a video of members of a drug cartel opening talking about a successful distribution operation in the United States, that video would be presented to a federal grand jury. The identified participants of the video would be indicted, and if captured, the video alone would serve as sufficient evidence to net a conviction in a federal court. So why is the Bin Laden “confession video” not carrying the same weight with the FBI?
Remember, on June 5, 2006, FBI spokesman, Chief of Investigative Publicity Rex Tomb said, “The FBI has no hard evidence connecting Usama Bin Laden to 9/11.” This should be headline news worldwide. The challenge to the reader is to find out why it is not. Why has the U.S. media blindly read the government-provided 9/11 scripts, rather than investigate without passion, prejudice, or bias, the events of September 11, 2001? Why has the U.S. media blacklisted any guest that might speak of a government sponsored 9/11 cover-up, rather than seeking out those people who have something to say about 9/11 that is contrary to the government’s account? And on those few rare occasions when a 9/11 dissenter has made it upon the airways, why has the mainstream media ridiculed the guest as a conspiracy nut, rather than listen to the evidence that clearly raises valid questions about the government’s 9/11 account? Why is the Big Media Conglomeration blindly content with the government’s 9/11 story when so much verifiable information to the contrary is available with a few clicks of a computer mouse?
Who is it that is controlling the media message, and how is it that the U.S. media has indicted Usama Bin Laden for the events of September 11, 2001, but the U.S. government has not? How is it that the FBI has no “hard evidence” connecting Usama Bin Laden to the events of September 11, 2001, while the U.S. media has played the Bin Laden - 9/11 connection story for five years now as if it has conclusive evidence that Bin Laden is responsible for the collapse of the twin towers, the Pentagon attack, and the demise of United Flight 93?
No hard evidence connecting Usama Bin Laden to 9/11… Think about it.
Freelance writer / author, Ed Haas, is the editor and columnist for the Muckraker Report. Get smart. Read the Muckraker Report. [link to teamliberty.net]
NOTES
[1] Federal Bureau of Investigation, Most Wanted Terrorists, Usama Bin Laden, [link to www.fbi.gov] [Accessed May 31, 2006]
[2] United States Department of Defense, News Release, U.S. Releases Videotape of Osama bin Laden, December 13, 2001, [link to www.defenselink.mil]
[3] BBC News, Bin Laden video angers New Yorkers, December 14, 2001, Peter Gould, [link to news.bbc.co.uk]
[4] CNN, Bin Laden on tape: Attacks ‘benefited Islam greatly”, December 14, 2001, [link to archives.cnn.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 509066
10/14/2008 12:52 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Re: Lucky Larry Silverstein: Asbestos Arson Landlord. Quote
thinking about this im sure Silverstein is a Jew and im sure a lot of them were involved in this-since they were attempting to trigger America to war over there.
But this Jewish man-who knew EXACTLY what he was doing-got a really thick wallet, while 2500 people died in the towers, and much of NYC has asbestos fibres floating all over . And the work/rescuemen- were down digging in Piles pf it.
IT is incredible that a monster like this can get away
man buys building cheap (Why?)
building is losing occupancy because its not modern enough
well, go ahead and tear it down BUT one problem
building is full of asbestos-so it cant be 'pulled' in the regular way-
it would have to be deconstructed a floor at a time, costing 10 Billion
dollars
What to do?
What to do?
WOW he can help his country Israel-get the US angry- and gear up a war of GENOCIDE.....IF HE.......
takes out 5 Billion in TERRORIST insurance 3 month before event
hmmm... next problem got to false flag-make it look like 'Arab terrorists' did it.
oh well parts of the White House, Pentagon, CIA and the MOSSAD will cook up something-but it has to be GOOD.
It has to put the nation in SHOCK
it has to TRAUMATIZE THEM
They they will be easy pickins to start a never ending MIC*manufacturing/employment/profit cycle-sorry-WAR
LARRY SILVERSTEIN-WHAT A GUY! HE COVERED NYC IN ASBESTOS DUST!
THE EFFECTS WILL BE FELT FOR YEARS-WHAT A PATRIOT
*Military Industrial Complex |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 509066
10/14/2008 12:58 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
- Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Propaganda Minister |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 509066
10/14/2008 1:09 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Re: THE MYTH OF AL QAEDA IS NOW ALMOST TOTALLY EXPOSED. Quote
Mossad Agent Pearlman Releases Phony "Al-Qaeda Tape"
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Adam Pearlman, the Jewish Mossad agent who once wrote stinging essays condemning Muslims as "bloodthirsty terrorists", has once again popped up as an "Al-Qaeda spokesman" to frighten the dwindling number of Americans who still believe Al-Qaeda exists outside of U.S. intelligence circles.
"An American member of al-Qaida warned President Bush on Tuesday to end U.S. involvement in all Muslim lands or face an attack worse than the Sept. 11 suicide assault, according to a new videotape."
"Wearing a white robe and a turban, Adam Yehiye Gadahn, who also goes by the name Azzam al-Amriki, said al-Qaida would not negotiate on its demands," reports the Associated Press.
Who is the mysterious Adam Yehiye Gadahn?
(ARTICLE CONTINUES BELOW)
The FBI lists Gadahn's aliases as Abu Suhayb Al-Amriki, Abu Suhayb, Yihya Majadin Adams, Adam Pearlman, and Yayah.
Adam Pearlman is his real name and his grandfather is none other than the late Carl K. Pearlman; a prominent Jewish urologist in Orange County. Carl was also a member of the board of directors of the Anti-Defamation League, which was caught spying on Americans for Israel in 1993. Mike Rivero has the scoop at WhatReallyHappened.com.
Israel's Mossad intelligence agency was caught in 2002 creating a phony Al-Qaeda group to justify attacks on Palestinians.
Pearlman has a knack of releasing his tapes at the most politically opportune time for Bush, having first burst onto the scene shortly before the 2004 presidential election and then again right after Katrina when the President's approval rating was tanking fast.
Even more mainstream publications, like the Los Angeles City Beat, have dismissed Pearlman before as nothing more than "cartoonish propaganda."
Pearlman had a hippy upbringing, a brief but intense flirtation with death metal and before a sudden transformation, once referred to Muslims as “bloodthirsty, barbaric terrorists.” Pearlman was a hardcore Jewish Zionist and wrote essays and screeds bashing the Muslim faith. He even got into fights at mosques and beat up Muslim worshippers.
Pearlman, the hardcore Jewish Zionist who trashed Muslims and beat them up, grows a beard and suddenly becomes an "Al-Qaeda spokesman" - nothing suspicious here, move along!
Pearlman's personal history and the highly suspicious nature in which he suddenly professed his conversion to Islam in a single Internet posting and later appeared on the scene as a spokesman for "Al-Qaeda" are all the ingredients needed to draw the conclusion that Pearlman is working as a double agent and most likely for Mossad.
[link to www.prisonplanet.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 526689
10/15/2008 4:21 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Principal Electrical Engineer for WTC: "Fuel and Planes Alone Did NOT Bring the Towers Down"
Richard F. Humenn, PE was the Senior Project Design Engineer for electrical systems for the entire World Trade Center, and he had 60 people working under him. In other words, he was the guy in charge of all electrical at the WTC. A retired licensed professional engineer, he was certified by the States of New York, New Jersey, Connecticut and Washington, D.C.
Humenn stated to Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth:
On September 11, I watched the live TV broadcast of the progressive collapse of the World Trade Towers with disbelief, as the mass and strength of the structure should have survived the localized damage caused by the planes and burning jet fuel.
I viewed the presentation of Richard Gage and other related material, which compels me to believe that the fuel and planes alone did not bring the Towers down. I, therefore, support the proposal to form an international group of professionals to investigate all plausible causes for the virtual freefall and the almost total destruction of the WTC structures.
Humenn also recently gave a two-hour recorded interview to an attorney and former law school professor (a transcript of the interview will soon be posted to AE911Truth.org). In that interview, Humenn expressed his opinion that the Twin Towers were intentionally demolished. (He stated that he could not believe the U.S. government could have done such a thing; however, he was not asked about rogue elements within the government).
Few engineers have as much first-hand knowledge of the Twin Towers as Humenn, so his opinion carries some weight. As he explains, "Though an electrical engineer by trade, I was also very familiar with the structures and their conceptual design parameters."
[link to 911blogger.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 526689
10/15/2008 4:23 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
The World Trade Center Building Designers: Pre-9/11 claims strongly implicate that the Towers should have remained standing on 9/11
By Arabesque
SNIP
The World Trade Center (WTC) Towers[1] were the largest buildings ever conceived in 1960.[2] This meant that there was a considerable amount of planning:
“The structural analysis carried out by the firm of Worthington, Skilling, Helle & Jackson is the most complete and detailed of any ever made for any building structure. The preliminary calculations alone cover 1, 200 pages and involve over 100 detailed drawings… The building as designed is sixteen times stiffer than a conventional structure. The design concept is so sound that the structural engineer has been able to be ultra-conservative in his design without adversely affecting the economics of the structure.”[3]
In July of 1971, the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) presented a national award judging the WTC Towers to be “the engineering project that demonstrates the greatest engineering skills and represents the greatest contribution to engineering progress and mankind.”[4]
Like many modern structures and buildings, the WTC Towers were over-designed to withstand weight distribution in the event of structural damage. According to calculations made by the engineers who helped with the design of the Twin Towers, “all the columns on one side of a Tower could be cut, as well as the two corners and some of the columns on each adjacent side, and the building would still be strong enough to withstand a 100-mile-per-hour wind.”[5] As well, “Live loads on these columns can be increased more than 2,000% before failure occurs.”[6]
In the planning of the buildings the designers considered potential attacks, and the WTC towers were designed to survive them. Between Early 1984 and October 1985 it was reported that:
“The Office of Special Planning (OSP), a unit set up by the New York Port Authority to assess the security of its facilities against terrorist attacks, spends four to six months studying the World Trade Center. It examines the center’s design through looking at photographs, blueprints, and plans. It brings in experts such as the builders of the center, plus experts in sabotage and explosives, and has them walk through the WTC to identify any areas of vulnerability…”O’Sullivan consults ‘one of the trade center’s original structural engineers, Les Robertson, on whether the towers would collapse because of a bomb or a collision with a slow-moving airplane.’ He is told there is ‘little likelihood of a collapse no matter how the building was attacked.’”[7]
One of these hypothetical examples was put to the test in the 1993 WTC bombing. This attack prompted more discussions about the safety of the WTC towers. In response to these concerns, WTC building designer John Skilling explained that they “looked at every possible thing we could think of that could happen to the buildings, even to the extent of an airplane hitting the side… A previous analysis carried out early in 1964, calculated that the towers would handle the impact of a 707 traveling at 600 mph without collapsing.”[8]
This statement indicates that the designers considered Boeing 707 airplane impact speeds of 600 mph. It seems likely that the designers considered this impact speed for the reason that the cruse speed of a Boeing 707 is 607 mph.[9] In comparison, both of the planes that hit the WTC Towers on 9/11 were Boeing 767’s. The FEMA report indicates that Flight 11 flew at a speed of 470 mph into the North Tower, and the second plane flew at a speed of 590 mph into the South Tower.[10] Not only were these speeds anticipated by the building designers, the Boeing 707 is similar in size to the ones flown into the towers on 9/11. According to Jim Hoffman, the planes used on 9/11 were “only slightly larger than 707s and DC 8s, the types of jetliners whose impacts the World Trade Center's designers anticipated.”[11] This statement is supported by the following chart:
property[12]
Boeing 707-340
Boeing 767-200
fuel capacity
23,000 gallons
23,980 gallons
max takeoff weight
328,060 lbs
395,000 lbs
empty weight
137,562 lbs
179,080 lbs
wingspan
145.75 ft
156.08 ft
wing area
3010 ft^2
3050 ft^2
length
152.92 ft
159.17 ft
cruise speed
607 mph
530 mph
In fact, Hoffman observes that “a 707 in normal flight would actually have more kinetic energy than a 767, despite the slightly smaller size.”[13]
Commercial airliners typically fly with jet fuel, so it is not surprising that the designers would consider this problem. In 1993, Skilling explained that they performed an analysis that concluded that the WTC towers would survive the impact and jet fuel fires from a Boeing 707:
“Our analysis indicated the biggest problem would be the fact that all the fuel (from the airplane) would dump into the building. There would be a horrendous fire. A lot of people would be killed… The building structure would still be there.”[14]
In fact, no steel-framed building structures had ever collapsed due to fire before or since 9/11.[15] This further supports Skilling’s analysis about the possibility of jet fuel destroying the WTC towers. According to Paul Thompson, “the analysis Skilling is referring to is likely one done in early 1964, during the design phase of the towers. A three-page white paper, dated February 3, 1964.”[16] This ‘white paper’ concluded that
[link to arabesque911.blogspot.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 432086
10/19/2008 9:56 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Unfortunately, YES
“DURING the whole of a dull, dark, and soundless day in the autumn of the year, when the clouds hung oppressively low in the heavens, I had been passing alone, on horseback, through a singularly dreary tract of country ; and at length found myself, as the shades of the evening drew on, within view of the melancholy House of Usher. I know not how it was - but, with the first glimpse of the building, a sense of insufferable gloom pervaded my spirit. I say insufferable ; for the feeling was unrelieved by any of that half-pleasurable, because poetic, sentiment, with which the mind usually receives even the sternest natural images of the desolate or terrible. I looked upon the scene before me - upon the mere house, and the simple landscape features of the domain - upon the bleak walls - upon the vacant eye-like windows - upon a few rank sedges - and upon a few white trunks of decayed trees - with an utter depression of soul which I can compare to no earthly sensation more properly than to the after-dream of the reveller upon opium - the bitter lapse into everyday life - the hideous dropping off of the veil.”
--oh Poe is me |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 432086
10/19/2008 10:03 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
After returning from Vietnam, Ellsberg went back to work at the RAND Corporation. As a Vietnam expert, he was invited, in 1967, to contribute to a top-secret study of classified documents regarding the conduct of the Vietnam War that had been commissioned by Defense Secretary McNamara. These documents, completed in 1968, later became known collectively as the Pentagon Papers. Because he held an extremely high-level security clearance, Ellsberg was one of very few individuals who had access to the complete set of documents. They revealed that the government had knowledge, early on, that the war would not likely be won, and that continuing the war would lead to many times more casualties than was ever admitted publicly. Further, the papers showed that high-ranking officials had a deep cynicism toward the public, as well as disregard for the loss of life and injury suffered by soldiers and civilians.
[link to en.wikipedia.org] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 432086
10/19/2008 10:05 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
"The U.S. President Is Not a King"
DETROIT, Michigan, Oct 17 (IPS) - At 76, Daniel Ellsberg is still vocal. The man who leaked the Pentagon Papers in 1969, leading to the fall of President Richard Nixon, is speaking out this time on the 2008 presidential election.
DE: The last seven years have expanded the powers of the president well beyond the bounds of the American constitution. Even [McCain's running mate] Sarah Palin said the other day 'well, it's rather flexible.' Well, it is not flexible enough to accommodate their view of the constitution of the president's role, which is that of a king -- exactly what the constitution meant to exclude was a ruler [who is] essentially beyond the laws. That's what the checks and balances were meant to reject.
[link to ipsnews.net] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 521852
10/19/2008 10:29 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
YES |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 432086
10/19/2008 10:32 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
America’s Coup D’État in the Making
Deception and Self-Deception
Since the French Revolution, ideologies have been exceptionally conducive to power-seeking. Jacobinism, Communism, and National Socialism are alike in promising glorious change and assuming the desirability of giving vast power to those who claim to know what needs to be done. A few years ago, David Frum and Richard Perle provided an all-purpose justification for unlimited power: putting "an end to evil" – the title of their co-authored book. Now there is a noble and ambitious goal! Power beyond the dreams of avarice would be needed to realize it. That rooting out evil might be an endless task only increases its appeal to a ravenous will to power. We are, of course, supposed to believe that the connection between advocating sweeping change and needing great power is purely coincidental.
[link to www.informationclearinghouse.info] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 523188
10/19/2008 10:51 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
yes |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 462475
10/19/2008 11:51 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
YES. 100 % sure. |
| Normal Is Subjective
User ID: 530367
10/19/2008 3:52 PM
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Fire's getting low, here's some more fuel:
NY judge ‘sanitizes’ 9/11 airline trials, blocks key fed witness testimony
Hellerstein cancels FBI, CIA, counter-terror chiefs’ testimony, asserts bias against punitive damages despite foreign conflicts
by Tom Flocco
New York—June 28, 2007—Tom Flocco.com—According to documents obtained through an attorney close to the 24 remaining 9/11 victim families seeking trials, defense lawyers representing United and American Airlines have quietly motioned Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein’s court to place limits on evidence and witness testimony by Bush administration officials regarding accounts, briefings, meetings and correspondence surrounding the September 11 attacks as the New York City litigation approaches its finale.
Hellerstein already ruled out testimony from former CIA Director George Tenet, former FBI Director Louis Freeh, and former Director of Counter Terrorism Richard A. Clarke during a March 22, 2007 hearing, raising serious questions as to why the judge would consider covering up and potentially obstructing full government testimony and evidence under oath by key players when it would be in the interests of both parties to the suit.
Full testimony by top government officials would provide the only avenue thus far in a U.S. court of law for Americans to find out who is responsible for 9/11 via court-ordered legal discovery of facts and evidence, since the few families left did not forsake the congressional victim compensation fund to face blocked evidence and testimony by Hellerstein.
Documents reveal that family attorneys are also advising consent to Hellerstein’s strongarm tactics toward settlement rather than a full trial with discovery, evidence and testimony by officials close to the events surrounding September 11, even as potential criminal findings would still force the government to settle cases brought by the remaining families who refused to sign away their right to seek truth and accountability.
The 9/11 evidence is so secretive that the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) allowed only one or two attorneys with special high government security clearances from each client firm to enter its closely guarded reading room with only paper and pencils—no cameras or taping devices—while United and American Airlines stipulated no punitive damages or additional financial punishment for willful negligence regarding this agreement, to which Hellerstein was said to concur according to documents obtained by TomFlocco.com.
It is not known whether evidence sequestered in the TSA “reading room” indicates whether Bush administration officials met with airline executives to discuss strong evidence in the form of pre-9/11 presidential briefs and personal experience in Genoa, Italy with Muslim air attack threats—either of which would implicate President Bush and/or the airline executives themselves as having prior knowledge of the attacks while either failing to take strong and decisive action or letting them occur to fulfill other unnamed geo-political, financial or oil agendas.
Issues surrounding the Genoa G-8 summit anti-aircraft guns raise some of the most serious and unlitigated questions for victim family attorneys to ask Mr. Bush, Mr. Cheney and other government witnesses blocked from testifying by Hellerstein regarding “planes used as weapons,” despite the judge’s court rulings to limit, cancel or otherwise obstruct justice regarding government testimony and evidence in an open New York City courtroom.
An atmosphere of intimidation was apparent during Hellerstein’s June 25 hearing when an attorney for the victim families explained that his clients wanted a trial not a settlement, to which Hellerstein retorted, “Sit down. You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth,” a crass rebuttal from a recently appointed judge with extensive experience and written works about Racketeering Influenced Corrupt Organizations (RICO) in his earlier years as an attorney—perfect for controlling and obstructing Bush-Clinton crime family evidence linked to September 11.
The judicial coercion continued later in the same hearing when family attorney Mary Schiavo told Hellerstein that she was also experiencing trial versus settlement problems with certain “difficult clients” who were adamant about going to trial with discovery and government witness testimony, to which the judge said, “This is the way it’s going to be. Go back and you tell them we are going to settle, period.”
Curiously, lawyers representing the victim families have also not petitioned Hellerstein to seek testimony from former Bush Department of Justice (DOJ) Attorney General John Aschroft and current Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff regarding wide reports that both permitted more than 200 Israeli “movers” and “art students” arrested in New York and Florida on 9/11 as suspects connected to the attacks, all of whom were released and returned to Israel without facing trial.
Victim families have not addressed reports that thousands of Federal Aviation Administration and other federal agency employees received secret mailed instructions not to speak about what they saw or heard on September 11—an outrageous issue if ever litigated by family attorneys.
Hellerstein finally ruled that he decided to personally “select and quickly hear” approximately three cases “without any discovery or interruptions,” such as potential troublesome court intrusions like evidence or testimony from top U.S. government officials like Tenet, Freeh, Clarke, Ashcroft, Chertoff, Vice President Cheney or President Bush.
These administration officials had access to pre-911 intelligence briefings, anti-aircraft threats against Mr. Bush in Genoa just before the attacks and billions in pre-attack insider stock trading profits of death covered up by FBI and Wall Street officials.
On June 14, Hellerstein had previously indicated that he would personally make the decision to name “three cases to be tried with maximum utility,” that the “damages would be bifurcated or severed from the liability part of the case,” and most importantly, that “only the damages (awards) would be discussed in open court,” leaving issues of liability, evidence and government testimony as publicly undisclosed.
The judge referred to the cover-up of evidence discovery and testimony regarding his hand-selected cases as “sanitizing” the proceedings, while airline defense attorneys strangely decided not to contest “liability,” effectively eliminating potentially incriminating evidence from the public court record; as one attorney said “let’s talk among ourselves behind closed doors.” [link to tomflocco.com]
I thought I'd beat the inevitibility of death to death just a little bit. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 532923
10/22/2008 10:02 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
YES |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 532956
10/22/2008 11:10 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Yes
The key to the 9/11 truth movement is KISS "keep it simple stupid".
The truth of the matter is this:
Our gov. knew about and decided not to act to prevent, the attacks on the WTC.
How do we know this?
Multiple FBI agents have testified to the fact that they warned about specific persons, and specific acts as possibilities.
Proof?
The NORAD operation that caused mayhem and the military to failed to respond as they normally would have. This does not mean the military was "in on it."
PROOF.
Our commander in chief knew about the first attack prior to going into the 2nd grade classroom and he did so anyway...the school was a mere 4 miles from an airport. Considering the multiple "lost" planes how is it that the Secret Service did not immediately act to protect the president from possible harm (his schedule is not a state secret...if we knew where he as going, for sure the evil terrorists would have). Instead, our noble leader went into the classroom to read MY PET GOAT...and was filmed being informed of the second attack....why did they not act to protect him then???
They didn't act because they knew he was not in danger.
Did the Israelis know?
Sure, there is proof enough that the terrorists were being shadowed by the Mossad (google Israeli art students).
Did they warn our government? Maybe, it's likely they did. (as apparently did others) Did they act in collusion with our government, they could have. WHY Should they be upset at the U.S. being given an A-1 opportunity to go to war against one of their biggest enemies? Although, the Israelis warned Bush NOT to take out Saddam because it would destabilize the whole area. Which is, according to my information, the whole reason Saddam was "not got" during the Gulf War.
Did the Israelis warn their own?
Wouldn't you?
Were there explosives in the buildings? Possible, and even probable...placed there by our own gov?? Not likely...more likely placed there with their blessings.
KISS...no need for the whacko theories being batted around by the most crazed of 9/11 truthers...I'd say the movement has been infiltrated by person putting forth such wild theories for ONE REASON....when things get too complicated and TOO out there, no one is likely to actually BELIEVE them.
KISS. It's nothing more or less than what I posted above. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 532538
10/22/2008 11:45 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
YES
Cincinnati911Truth.org welcomes Richard Gage, AIA - October 25th, 2008
Cincinnati 9/11 Truth (www.Cincinnati911Truth.org), will be sponsoring an upcoming speaking engagement at Zimmer Auditorium on the University of Cincinnati campus on Saturday, October 25th - starting at 7:00pm. The speaker is architect Richard Gage, AIA from San Francisco CA. Mr. Gage is the founder of Architects and Engineers For 9/11 Truth (www.ae911truth.org) and has over 20 years experience in the architectural field. He will be discussing the collapse of the twin towers and WTC building seven on 9/11/2001. Mr. Gage presents compelling information questioning the official government theory.
[link to www.richardgageatuc.com]
[link to cincinnati911truth.org]
[link to www.911blogger.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 532538
10/22/2008 11:59 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Welcome to Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth!
515 architectural and engineering professionals
and 2647 other supporters including A&E students
have signed the petition demanding of Congress
a truly independent investigation.
Architects, Engineers and all others may sign the petition!
We will post your name after verifying your A&E credentials —
and other info for non-A&E's.
Sign the Petition
Mission Statement:
To research and to disseminate the truth
of the 9/11 “collapses” of all 3 WTC high-rise buildings
to every architect and engineer
Why are Architects and Engineers Re-examining the WTC Collapses?
The years since 9/11/01 have given us the time and space to emerge from the hypnotic trance of the shocks of these attacks and to rationally evaluate the existing and new evidence that has become available.
read more...
[link to www.ae911truth.org] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 532538
10/23/2008 12:00 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Random Quote
"It starts from below... They have simply blown away columns... This is controlled demolition... A team of experts did this... This is professional work, without any doubt."
— Controlled Demolition Expert Danny Jowenko's comments about Building 7 on Dutch TV's, Zembla Investigates 9/11 Theories (2006). |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 532991
10/23/2008 12:05 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
yes but not what you think. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 532996
10/23/2008 12:15 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Open letter to Popular Mechanics - Prove your ludicrous 9/11 theories in public
Yes
Direct challenge to “Popular Mechanics” - Show us the Physics & Maths to back up your ludicrous & “physically impossible” 911 gravity collapse assertions .
It is physically impossible for the strongest, heaviest and (3 times working design load) bottom 80+ floors to offer near zero resistance to the falling floors except when there is a controlled demolition. Period!
If 6 months from the date of this formal public challenge “Popular Mechanics” Magazine can not reproducibly demonstrate a falling body taking the path of greatest resistance as a result of Gravity alone, then it is Ample evidence to everyone that the Popular Mechanics Magazine assertion that Gravity alone could destroy the twin towers and building 007 at near freefall speed IS PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE “Popular Myth” & deliberate “Popular Mechanics” DECEPTION or indeed honest misunderstanding Re the laws of Physics.
The following is a direct challenge to Popular Mechanics to prove their claims in public, do they have enough faith in their research to make it public?
Read the entire letter here [link to rinf.com]
[link to www.911blogger.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 532996
10/23/2008 12:18 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Random Quote
"We've been offered a unique opportunity to start ww3 ( A NEVER ENDING WAR OF TERROR FOR LUCIFER ) via 911 the false flag and we must not let this moment pass."
Anti Christ — George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002 |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 391709
10/23/2008 12:33 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
so what's the tally here yea / nea |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 533030
10/23/2008 1:24 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
 
Latest Tally,,
Yes...........................1499--- Inside Job.
Imbecile......................187 
+
Paid stooge.................16 =
NO.............................203....Osama Bin Box cutter did it
with his artari joystick from his Bat cave, because he hates our freedumbs under the patriot acts,, OR, Saddam did it, with his weapons of mass destruction, chemical weapons and his yellowcake from Nigeria.
Don't know...................8--- They think it might have been the tooth fairy or a leprecorn.
The five dancing Israeli mooosad agents as they set up their cameras ready to film the first plane strike the first tower. They were dancing because they knew that the American cannon fodder would soon be used to eradicate their enemies in Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Russia and China.
They then changed into their Muslim costumes and broke out in uncontrollable celebrations. These 5 dancing Israeli mooosad agents were part of an imaginary Al Queda ( English translation, I'll Kidya ) cell, working on behalf of apostate Israel and satans 13th tribe, Jews who claim they are Jews but are not, but from the sinagog of satan.
 This is the white van that the five dancing Israelis then jumped into to make their escape. What the five dancing Israelis did not know, was that a few real patriotic American citizens had seen them filming the first plane impact on the tower, ( the 5 dancing Israeli mooosad agents could only have been set up and ready to film because of pre knowledge of 911 ) and then noted their high fiveing and dancing with glee. The police picked them up a short time later and they were arrested. However, the police then received a phone call from Israeli firster dick chainhead. Dick told them to release the dancing Israelis or else Dick would take them on a hunting trip. The police then released the five dancing Israelis and they were returned to Israel and greeted with cheers and a wild party ensued. The five dancing Israelis were all then promoted and given medals.
Bush then sent the five dancing Israelis a personal thank you note for providing him with a live feed direct, to his limo, of the first plane striking the first tower, while he was en route to read a satanic goat book at a Florida school.
And here is the average American Dunderhead who believed the Zionist controlled media spin and the fictional 911 commission report, and the undestructable magic passport. 
The same Dunderheads also believe that 19 Arab high Jackers carried out 911 with box cutters and ordered NORAD to stand down, and the laws of pyshics were altered for a few hours that day, 911, on a command from Bush to God.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 532996
10/23/2008 2:28 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
"Some critics of Middle Eastern policy have been hopeful that Barack Obama, who has less baggage on the issue than the other candidates, might approach the Israel-Palestine conundrum with a more open mind. Such hopes are fleeting, as Obama has adopted an increasingly strident pro-Israel line to make himself more electable. This line was apparently crafted by his key adviser on the region, Dennis Ross, a former State Department official who was the key negotiator between Palestinians and Israelis under President Bill Clinton. Ross has invariably tilted in the Israeli direction by defining most regional problems in terms of Israeli security concerns. When he is not advising Obama, Ross is now a "distinguished fellow" at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP), the strongly pro-Israeli Washington think tank that was founded by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). He is also a Middle East analyst for Fox News." |
| Obake
User ID: 533044
10/23/2008 2:29 AM
 | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
yes |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 533030
10/23/2008 2:37 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
American Liberty Teetering on Edge of Abyss -
“Your papers please”
In truth, Congress gave up its law making powers to the executive branch during the New Deal. For three-quarters of a century, the bills passed by Congress have been authorizations for executive branch agencies to make laws in the form of regulations. The executive branch has come to the realization that it doesn’t really need Congress. President Bush appends his own “signing statements” to the authorizations from Congress in which the President says what the legislation means. So what is the point of Congress?
[link to www.informationclearinghouse.info] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 532538
10/23/2008 3:37 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
"Given the scope of the tragedy from last week, I am glad to reassure the people of New York and Washington, D.C., that their air is safe to breathe and their water is safe to drink."
— Christie Todd Whitman - 9/18/2001 |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 533189
10/23/2008 9:26 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Re: 7 things to know about tower 7 Quote
How about:
1. WT7 fell into its own footprint so fast, it only looked like a controlled demolition.
2. Collapsing vertically without any deformation, due to uneven structural distress, demonstrated why the physical laws of gravity are nonsense.
3. Concrete turns to atomic dust during vertical shifts of mass.
4. Heavy debris from vaporized super-towers can destroy steel beams from the bottom up and crushed them from the top down at the same time.
5. Raging fires of office furniture can cause vaporization of serious financial lawsuits, as well as, metals of all compositions and types.
6. WT7 demonstrated unique proof that people in television stations have psychic abilities far above the norm, as they were able to "see" the fall of WT7, before it actually happened.
7. Skyscraper's in New York, are obviously in violation of US building standards of which the "Fall" of WT7 is now incontestable proof that its structural integrity was sub-par at best.
How about a set of cards which have the following on each card:
1. A graphic of that amazing, incredible, never-seen-before indestructable passport, which flew out of the pocket of its carrier, or luggage, at collision time zero, hurled itself free of thousands of pounds of force pressure caused by a compacting 757, not to mention the enclosed space being crushed four ways to its center; only to fly free like a bird through the towering inferno of the structure. itself being pulverized into atomic dust, without any problems at all. But wait, then to cast itself far from the foot-print of the massive unprecedented collapse, to land upon the unblemished sidewalk where it was to be found and identified as belonging to that no good vaporized and crushed madman, to whom it once belonged. Why his very picture said it all. A Florida, "I am a terrorist, bad-ass mother-fucker identification license" which of course can be used in all airports and 7-11's just like a real I.D. only better.
2. If you cannot fly a Cessna try a jumbo-jet instead. All of those gages makes it so simple to fly why an amateur can do it without so much as a single lesson.
3. Box cutters are the most fearsome weapon ever invented for hand-to-hand combat. So lethal is the standard box-cutter even veterans of all military services cower in fear when these weapons are brandished by highly trained terrorists. Not even King-Fu can save you when welded by professionals.
4. Terrorists hate book-keepers so violently they will target them not matter what the circumstances may require. The pentagon attack is a warning to all pentagon investigation accountants they had better watch out or else.
5. If jet-liners were only made out of super-plastic, just like the computers used by the non-accountants working at the Pentagon, they would never vaporize mush less burn during crash landings.
6. When investigating crime scenes destroying evidence is all the proof a court needs to know those bastards are as guilty as sin. Which is WHY none was ever held.
7. Government agents are so good at identifying terrorists, they do not need bodies, passenger flight records, airport security tapes or even passenger ticket purchasing records. Those stupid terrorists, who did they think they were fucking with? Staging a terror attack on the very same day the Vice-president was in charge of a massive pseudo-attack on America's most visible "Icons" of our "freedoms" using state-of-the-art computer technology. Man, that had to be the stupidest thing those posers ever tried to do in their entire dumb-ass lives. Why they never fooled our top guys for a second. Why we just let them think we were doing nothing to stop them even as we pretended not to see them, until it was too late. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 533189
10/24/2008 2:00 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Two of the aircraft exceeded their software limits on 9/11.
The Boeing 757 and 767 are equipped with fully autonomous flight capability, they are the only two Boeing commuter aircraft capable of fully autonomous flight. They can be programmed to take off, fly to a destination and land, completely without a pilot at the controls.
They are intelligent planes, and have software limits pre set so that pilot error cannot cause passenger injury. Though they are physically capable of high g maneuvers, the software in their flight control systems prevents high g maneuvers from being performed via the cockpit controls. They are limited to approximately 1.5 g's, I repeat, one and one half g's. This is so that a pilot mistake cannot end up breaking grandma's neck.
No matter what the pilot wants, he cannot override this feature.
The plane that hit the Pentagon approached or reached its actual physical limits, military personnel have calculated that the Pentagon plane pulled between five and seven g's in its final turn.
The same is true for the second aircraft to impact the WTC.
There is only one way this can happen.
As well as fully autonomous flight capability, the 767 and 757 are the ONLY COMMUTER PLANES MADE BY BOEING THAT CAN BE FLOWN VIA REMOTE CONTROL. It is a feature that is standard to all of them, all 757's and 767's can do it. The purpose for this is if there is a problem with the pilots, Norad can fly the planes to safe destinations via remote. Only in this flight mode can those craft exceed their software limits and perform to their actual physical limits because a pre existing emergency situation is assumed if this mode of flight is used.
Terrorists in fact did not fly those planes, it is totally and completely impossible for those planes to have been flown in such a manner from the cockpit. Those are commuter aircraft, not F-16's and their software knows it.
Another piece of critical evidence: the voice recorders came up blank.
The flight recorders that were recovered had tape that was undamaged inside, but it was blank. There is only one way this can happen on a 757 or 767. When the aircraft are commandeered via remote control, the microphones that go to the cockpit voice recorder are re routed to the people doing the remote controlling, so that the recording of what happened in the cockpit gets made in a presumably safer place. But due to a glitch in the system on a 757/767, rather than shutting off when the mic is redirected the voice recorder keeps running. The voice recorders use what is called a continuous loop tape, which automatically re passes itself past the erase and record heads once every half hour, so after a half hour of running with the microphones redirected, the tape will be blank. Just like the recovered tapes were. Yet more proof that no pilot flew those planes in the last half hour.
Eight of the hijackers who were on those planes called up complaining that they were still alive. I'd bet you never heard about our foreign minister flying to Morocco and issuing an official apology to the accused, did you? No, terrorists did not fly those planes, plastic knives and box cutters were in fact too ridiculous to be true. Any of the remaining accused have certainly been sought out and killed by now.
Our information IS controlled
The cell phone calls from the aircraft could not have happened. I am a National Security Agency trained Electronic Warfare specialist, and am qualified to say this. My official title: MOS33Q10, Electronic Warfare Intercept Strategic Signal Processing/Storage Systems Specialist, a highly skilled MOS which requires advanced knowledge of many communications methods and circuits to the most minute level. I am officially qualified to place severe doubt that ordinary cell phone calls were ever made from the aircraft.
It was impossible for that to have happened, especially in a rural area for a number of reasons.
When you make a cell phone call, the first thing that happens is that your cell phone needs to contact a transponder. Your cell phone has a max transmit power of five watts, three watts is actually the norm. If an aircraft is going five hundred miles an hour, your cell phone will not be able to 1. Contact a tower, 2. Tell the tower who you are, and who your provider is, 3. Tell the tower what mode it wants to communicate with, and 4. Establish that it is in a roaming area before it passes out of a five watt range. This procedure, called an electronic handshake, takes approximately 45 seconds for a cell phone to complete upon initial power up in a roaming area because neither the cell phone or cell transponder knows where that phone is and what mode it uses when it is turned on. At 500 miles an hour, the aircraft will travel three times the range of a cell phone's five watt transmitter before this handshaking can occur. Though it is sometimes possible to connect during takeoff and landing, under the situation that was claimed the calls were impossible. The calls from the airplane were faked, no if's or buts.
I hope I made sense, if you have questions I will respond if possible. If I do not respond, please research this out yourself, search the boeing site, search the DARPA site, search were you have not searched before. Some of the information is classified and leaked by individuals, and it is also being scoured from the net. I have all of the original documents on my computer to safeguard against this.
Please do not ignore this, because only Norad has the flight codes for those aircraft, we did 911 to ourselves. Hitler had the Reichstag, we have 911. If 911 proves to not be enough to make the US citizenry set aside its rights for safety, the people who did 911 most certainly have access to nuclear material. 911 must be exposed for what it was before that material is used. " |
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