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| Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2009 12:37 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
An Inside Job- Members of the 9/11 "Truth" movement are typically disparaged as crackpots. In fact, they're actually wonks.
Submitted by Carol Brouillet on Wed, 09/16/2009 - 12:14pm.
9/11 truth | media
This article just came out in the East Bay Express
By Rachel Swann
[link to www.eastbayexpress.com]
September 16, 2009
At first glance, the scene outside last week's 9/11 Film festival resembled that of any other big, protest-oriented event. Truther organizations such as the Northern California 911 Truth Alliance and Project Censored crammed the lobby of Oakland's Grand Lake Theater, setting up tables with books; DVDs; "Wake Up and Smell the Fascism" bumper stickers; rubber stamps with the slogan "9/11 was an inside job;" pictures of Hendrix, John Lennon, and Mahatma Gandhi; and "Deception dollars." Middle-aged white guys with long hair and tie-dyed shirts milled around the room, greeting each other like old friends. It looked and felt like a typical crowd of rabble-rousers — at least until you listened in on their conversations.
Hardcore Truthers are an odd bunch, even among activists. They tend to be well-educated and enraptured with scientific jargon, even if they lack a science background. Bound by a shared skepticism of the mainstream 9-11 narrative, they hold a range of opinions about what really happened on 9-11: Some think it just needs to be better investigated as a crime scene; many believe it was a full-fledged government conspiracy; some call it a "psychological attack on the American people." Those trying to advance their own theories usually place the burden of proof on science — or a combination of empirical data and abstract conjecture that looks very much like science. Thus, Truther rhetoric is often dry, emotionless, and blindingly complex. That has made the movement very insular.
Now in its fifth year, the 9/11 Film Fest faces a bit of an inertia problem, akin to what's happened to the peace movement at large. "Remember during Bush/Cheney years we used to have anti-war rallies all the time?" asked festival founder Carol Brouillet. "Now with the regime change there's not as many rallies." On top of that, Brouillet and company faced the normal logistical difficulties of trying to coordinate the dozen guest speakers and trying to amass enough world premieres to make the event worth people's time (after all, most of these films are available for free online). And though one might have assumed that the recent Van Jones flap would help bring more recognition to the movement, Brouillet says that most media coverage served to discredit, rather than validate the movement.
Wednesday night wound up being the cool, hip-hoppy half of the festival and Thursday the nerdy, academic half. The main draw on Wednesday was the world premiere of Loose Change 9/11: An American Coup, the latest of a series made by twenty-five-year-old director Dylan Avery. His films, which feature slick hip-hop soundtracks and VH1-style editing (the new one is narrated by actor Daniel Sunjata) mark the apex of popular success for 9-11 conspiracy-theory material. According to producer Korey Rowe, it is the most downloaded movie in the history of the Internet. During the post-screening discussion, no one challenged Avery's premise that 9-11 was planned and coordinated by the US government, or that the World Trade Center collapsed because of a controlled demolition, rather than a plane crash or fire damage. Instead, audience questions ranged from basic (i.e., "Why do you call the film Loose Change) to specific ("Why was Obama included in the closing of this film?"). Cleary, Rowe and Avery were preaching to the converted.
Thursday was for the real diehards, not only because it featured twelve full hours of academic speakers and documentaries, but also owing to its more obtuse content. Among the films screened that day were Anthrax War by Bob Coen and Eric Nadler, a film about bio-weapons, and The New American Century by Italian filmmaker Massimo Mazzucco, which historicizes the neocon movement that some Truthers believe paved the way for 9-11. Retired Claremont School of Theology professor Ray Griffin delivered closing remarks for an audience that filled about half of the 620-capacity theater. Roughly 80 percent male, the crowd skewed older, and most of its members appeared to know as much, or more, about controlled demolition theory than their speaker, who is widely regarded as one of the movement's forefathers. The audience's erudition became apparent during the Q&A, for which attendees submitted paragraph-long questions on pieces of paper...
See [link to www.eastbayexpress.com] for the complete article.
I can't say that I was particularly thrilled with Rachel's coverage of our event and issue, or her most blatant factual error and posted this comment:
According to the dictionary "wonks" are experts. In our Orwellian world where there is a great disparity between a media constructed reality terrifying the public into supporting war and an increasingly oppressive police state, those who can challenge the big lies and give hope to the universal desire for a world without war, where truth and justice have actual meaning are needed.
Rachel interviewed me on Friday, I was actually napping when she called, exhausted from four days of events. Richard Gage, AIA, founder of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth spoke to a nearly full house at the Commonwealth Club on Tuesday evening. Wednesday and Thursday, we held the film festival, which did draw Swedish TV, even if we were somewhat ignored by the American press. A large cover story, going into great scientific detail into the case for controlled demolition of the World Trade Center was published in the Silicon Valley Metro on September 9th entitled "Explosive Theory." On Friday, I joined with others in downtown San Francisco for our usual 9/11 Truth Visibility action, since direct dialogue with the public has been the foundation for the growth and acceptance of the Truth Movement. Polls show that distrust of the media and government continue to expand.
Rachel called me again, and emailed me to get the date of the first screening of a 9/11 documentary, Aftermath: Unanswered Questions from 9/11 (which did fill the Herbst Theater and we had to turn 300 people away). It was in April 2003- to set the record straight.
I know that our topic is very serious, but we did include art, music, comedy, and hoped to inspire people to take action and become more involved. The film festival was also a benefit for NYCCAN, the New York City Coalition for Accountability Now, which is trying to get an initiative on the ballot in New York City for a new investigation of 9/11 with subpoena power. Over 80,000 New Yorkers have signed their petition, and the battle to approve the signatures was just won.
In the past couple of years, the film festival filled the Grand Lake Theater. I believe a two day festival split the audience, and that we would have had a better turnout had we had more lead time. Our final program was decided less than a month before the event and we simply had a hard time getting the word out.
I am a mother with three sons, two of them now in college. I have spent nearly eight years of my life working on this issue because I believe that if the public knew some of the basic facts about 9/11, so well masked by the media, that people would demand accountability, real change and the transformation of US foreign and domestic policy, which currently poses a great threat to Americans, as well as the rest of the world. I see the Truth movement as a continuation of Gandhi's "satyagraha movement," which began over a hundred years ago on September 11, 1906. Truth is the vital force needed to give strength and power to the waning, timid, peace movement, as well as the movement against corporate globalization, and the sheer looting of the wealth of society that we see in the controlled demolition of the economy with bailouts for bankers, and the robbing of the vast majority. When Rachel Corrie was very little she asked her parents, "Is being brave part of growing up?" I think the best chance for humanity is to grow up, face uncomfortable truths, take more responsibility, rein in our criminal government, and realize our individual and collective power to determine our future. |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2009 12:42 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
My Comment, posted, to the article
9/11 is a controlled demolition, inside job, false flag Reichstag fire type operation.
This per IRREFUTABLE, conclusive scientific evidence.
Nanothermite, high military explosive, was found at the site of pulverized WTC towers.
Towers exploded, imploded, vaporized at a speed of 10 floors per second, close to the the speed of free fall.
Pools of molten steel found weeks after the attack. All utterly impossible, other than controlled demolition, explosive aided.
Question, do you think that retarded chimp would recognize, looking at the footage, that is it a controlled demolition?
[link to 911UnitedWeInvestigate.blogspot.com] - [link to twitter.com] - [link to 911Truth.org] - [link to 911blogger.com] - [link to ae911truth.org] |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2009 12:44 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
My comment is in response to some ignorant dude's-
Manuel- "Maybe truthers should get some reputable demolitions experts and structural engineers on their side. Then perhaps people will give a shit about what they say. There is still a Flat Earth Society. And some still believe a fat guy in a red suit squeezes down your chimney."
Comment by Manuel DePiedra - September 16, 2009 @ 04:41 PM
Me- "Didn't you hear? Over 864 architects and engineers have signed on with ae911truth.org and are collectively calling for an independent technical investigation of the causes of the WTC buildings collapse. They reject the federal government’s conclusions that two airplanes alone brought the buildings down without the aid of pre-planted explosives. Don't be the last one in the dark about this crucial issue. I agree that it is sad that some people still believe the earth is flat, but you know what is even more sad? People who can't think critically or use their minds, and who trust everything the government and corporate media tells them. Hope you wake up sir!"
Comment by fababs - September 16, 2009 @ 06:30 PM
Everyone leave their two cents! |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2009 12:47 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Maybe . . .
Yes, my first response was that it was positive because we weren't called "deniers" and "truthers" at every turn, and the worst nonsense wasn't put forth to try to discredit us.
My feeling was that she just was somewhat clueless about science and 9/11 in general, and didn't feel she could evaluate it, so it basically bored her, and she wasn't going to take a position one way or the other. This was written for the Entertainment section, so her focus was on the audience.
And yes, to an average person, at one of these events, people could easily seem like "an odd bunch" to someone who is used to going out and covering bands, bars, and things like the SF Mime Troop, most likely. When I approached the door someone offered me a free chemtrails DVD. Someone else was handing out vaccine flyers. To non-political people who aren't used to it, that kind of stuff can start to seem nuts after awhile when it's all in one space. The same goes for almost any type of event where everyone is interested in that one thing, like a Star Trek convention, or a dog show, or a coin show, etc. If the person reviewing it is not into those things, they won't get it. She seemed bored by the idea that bio-weapons were used just after 9/11 . . . it's not a band. And it's not "cheap eats for real", the title of one of her other pieces.
My feeling was that's just who she is. But I may be wrong.
Words like "hawking" are pretty ridiculous, RG is right to be angered with her viewpoint on him. |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2009 12:49 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Good Comment Abby
You could have also added that while we're on the subject of irrational beliefs, it's hardly reasonable to expect demolitions experts and structural engineers to come out on our side since they're dependent on the government for their livelihood, eg contracts, licenses, tenure, grants etc. |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2009 12:50 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Aus911Truth's blog
Submitted by Aus911Truth on Wed, 09/16/2009 - 11:55am.
Yukihisa Fujita on 9/11 on 11SEP09!!
9/11 | Jack Blood | Ron Paul | Yukihisa Fujita
SERIOUSLY, we need more politicians like him!!
Yukihisa Fujita on Ron Paul Radio
[link to www.americanfreedomradio.com]
[link to www.jackbloodforum.com]
Yukihisa Fujita IndyInAsia Jack Blood 09/11/09
[link to www.youtube.com]
This is a rough cut of the September 11, 2009 IndyInAsia & Jack Blood interview with Yukihisa Fujita - Part 1. Callers include William Rodriguez, Manny Badillo, and more.
Playlist
Part 1~Part12
[link to www.youtube.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2009 12:52 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Top 5 Worst 9/11 Memorials‏
bad taste | memorial
Top 5 Worst 9/11 Memorials‏
Aug 14th, 2009 | By Vigilant | Category: Vigilant Reports
9/11 has inspired a myriad of memorials who are scattered all across America. Some of them are of questionable taste, others contain strange occult symbolism while others simply piss people off. Here’s the five most offensive.
9/11 was a terrible tragedy, no matter who made it happen **cough** Rumsfeld **cough cough ** False flag terror ** cough**. Sorry, I don’t usually cough while typing. Since this event was the most terrible terrorist act committed on US soil, it is simply fitting that many memorials appear in honor of those who unjustly lost their lives. Some of them are very touching, inspiring and heartfelt. Others, not so much. Some even make you wonder if they were actually built for the victims or to serve an agenda. The monuments here are controversial, insensitive and slightly offensive…a little like this article. Enjoy.
#5 Boston Memorial
It’s a glass and steel cube. Next to a thruway. How heart wrenchingly touching. When I look at it, I become moved by so many intense emotions. The main one is boredom. Don’t get me wrong, I can appreciate a good cube when I see one. And that is one fine cube. But does it make me reflect on 9/11 and the state of humanity? Not really. It however does make me want to go downstairs to get the latest Iphone though.
Eerie resemblance to the Mac Store
Anyways, the memorial features two intertwining paths representing the two infamous flights who took off at the Boston Logan Airport. The top of the cube depicts a “fractured sky” because the sky was never the same since 9/11. It is true. In the words of Peter Griffin: “9/11 changed everything, Brian. It changed EVERYTHING” Yes, even the sky is changed, it is now destroyed by terrorists. Here’s some nice comments from locals I’ve found on the internets.
#4 Polish Plaque
This plaque was installed at the base of the KATYN statue in New Jersey, which directly faced the Twin Towers. The statue (which is also depicted on the plaque), is of a wounded WWII soldier getting stabbed in the back…a little like America who got stabbed in the back on 911 **cough**Bush did it **cough.
Anyways, the plaque has been described as “awkward”, “weird” and “???”. At face value, it seems to be of Virgin Mary mourning the Towers. A closer look at the symbolism of the plaque quickly reveals a hidden, occult meaning. Writer “Ground Zero” perfectly sums up its esoteric symbolism:
“There is the goddess with a hexagramic eagle-pendant hanging from her neck, as well as the sun forming a halo behind her, grasping one of the burning towers like a phallus that is ejaculating. The sexuality inherent in these astro-theological themes should bemoan you that some kind of ceremonial magic is being invoked here, even if the artists who created the statue and/or plaque did not know about their art’s greater relevance to the 9/11 mega-ritual.” Source: wearechangenewjersey.org
In other words, this plaque would commemorate the planned and occult ritual that was 9/11 and event is even likened to a sexual act. The woman is evidently not the Virgin Mary as the symbolism on and around her refer to the concept of female goddess who completes the solar deity. This is just sick, disgusting, awful, and I have no more adjectives for it so I’ll just spit on the computer screen.
3- All Seeing Eye Memorial
- Video: All Seeing Eye of Horus - During the 9/11 Memorial... -
All I have to say about this ceremony is this:
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Sorry! I've run out of time.... gotta go. ;o) |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2009 12:58 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Why Propaganda Trumps Truth
By Paul Craig Roberts
September 15, 2009 "Information Clearing House" -- -An article in the journal, Sociological Inquiry, casts light on the effectiveness of propaganda. Researchers examined why big lies succeed where little lies fail. Governments can get away with mass deceptions, but politicians cannot get away with sexual affairs.
The researchers explain why so many Americans still believe that Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11, years after it has become obvious that Iraq had nothing to do with the event. Americans developed elaborate rationalizations based on Bush administration propaganda that alleged Iraqi involvement and became deeply attached to their beliefs. Their emotional involvement became wrapped up in their personal identity and sense of morality. They looked for information that supported their beliefs and avoided information that challenged them, regardless of the facts of the matter.
In Mein Kampf, Hitler explained the believability of the Big Lie as compared to the small lie: “In the simplicity of their minds, people more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have such impudence. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and continue to think that there may be some other explanation.”
What the sociologists and Hitler are telling us is that by the time facts become clear, people are emotionally wedded to the beliefs planted by the propaganda and find it a wrenching experience to free themselves. It is more comfortable, instead, to denounce the truth-tellers than the liars whom the truth-tellers expose.
The psychology of belief retention even when those beliefs are wrong is a pillar of social cohesion and stability. It explains why, once change is effected, even revolutionary governments become conservative. The downside of belief retention is its prevention of the recognition of facts. Belief retention in the Soviet Union made the system unable to adjust to economic reality, and the Soviet Union collapsed. Today in the United States millions find it easier to chant “USA, USA, USA” than to accept facts that indicate the need for change.
The staying power of the Big Lie is the barrier through which the 9/11 Truth Movement is finding it difficult to break. The assertion that the 9/11 Truth Movement consists of conspiracy theorists and crackpots is obviously untrue. The leaders of the movement are highly qualified professionals, such as demolition experts, physicists, structural architects, engineers, pilots, and former high officials in the government. Unlike their critics parroting the government’s line, they know what they are talking about.
Here is a link to a presentation by the architect, Richard Gage, to a Canadian university audience: [link to globalresearch.ca] The video of the presentation is two hours long and seems to have been edited to shorten it down to two hours. Gage is low-key, but not a dazzling personality or a very articulate presenter. Perhaps that is because he is speaking to a university audience and takes for granted their familiarity with terms and concepts.
Those who believe the official 9/11 story and dismiss skeptics as kooks can test the validity of the sociologists’ findings and Hitler’s observation by watching the video and experiencing their reaction to evidence that challenges their beliefs. Are you able to watch the presentation without scoffing at someone who knows far more about it than you do? What is your response when you find that you cannot defend your beliefs against the evidence presented? Scoff some more? Become enraged?
Another problem that the 9/11 Truth Movement faces is that few people have the education to follow the technical and scientific aspects. The side that they believe tells them one thing; the side that they don’t believe tells them another. Most Americans have no basis to judge the relative merits of the arguments.
For example, consider the case of the Lockerbie bomber. One piece of “evidence” that was used to convict Magrahi was a piece of circuit board from a device that allegedly contained the Semtex that exploded the airliner. None of the people, who have very firm beliefs in Magrahi’s and Libya’s guilt and in the offense of the Scottish authorities in releasing Magrahi on allegedly humanitarian grounds, know that circuit boards of those days have very low combustion temperatures and go up in flames easily. Semtex produces very high temperatures. There would be nothing whatsoever left of a device that contained Semtex. It is obvious to an expert that the piece of circuit board was planted after the event.
I have asked on several occasions and have never had an answer, which does not mean that there isn’t one, how millions of pieces of unburnt, uncharred paper can be floating over lower Manhatten from the destruction of the WTC towers when the official explanation of the destruction is fires so hot and evenly distributed that they caused the massive steel structures to weaken and fail simultaneously so that the buildings fell in free fall time just as they would if they had been brought down by controlled demolition.
What is the explanation of fires so hot that steel fails but paper does not combust?
People don’t even notice the contradictions. Recently, an international team of scientists, who studied for 18 months dust samples produced by the twin towers’ destruction collected from three separate sources, reported their finding of nano-thermite in the dust. The US government had scientists dependent on the US government to debunk the finding on the grounds that the authenticity of custody of the samples could not be verified. In other words, someone had tampered with the samples and added the nano-thermite. This is all it took to discredit the finding, despite the obvious fact that access to thermite is strictly controlled and NO ONE except the US military and possibly Israel has access to nano-thermite.
The physicist, Steven Jones, has produced overwhelming evidence that explosives were used to bring down the buildings. His evidence is not engaged, examined, tested, and refuted. It is simply ignored.
Dr. Jones’ experience reminds me of that of my Oxford professor, the distinguished physical chemist and philosopher, Michael Polanyi. Polanyi was one of the 20th centuries great scientists. At one time every section chairman of the Royal Society was a Polanyi student. Many of his students won Nobel Prizes for their scientific work, such as Eugene Wigner at Princeton and Melvin Calvin at UC, Berkeley, and his son, John Polanyi, at the University of Toronto.
As a young man in the early years of the 20th century, Michael Polanyi discovered the explanation for chemical absorbtion. Scientific authority found the new theory too much of a challenge to existing beliefs and dismissed it. Even when Polanyi was one of the UK’s ranking scientists, he was unable to teach his theory. One half-century later his discovery was re-discovered by scientists at UC, Berkeley. The discovery was hailed, but then older scientists said that it was “Polanyi’s old error.” It turned out not to be an error. Polanyi was asked to address scientists on this half-century failure of science to recognize the truth. How had science, which is based on examining the evidence, gone so wrong. Polanyi’s answer was that science is a belief system just like everything else, and that his theory was outside the belief system.
That is what we observe all around us, not just about the perfidy of Muslims and 9/11.
As an economics scholar I had a very difficult time making my points about the Soviet economy, about Karl Marx’s theories, and about the supply-side impact of fiscal policy. Today I experience readers who become enraged just because I report on someone else’s work that is outside their belief system. Some readers think I should suppress work that is inconsistent with their beliefs and drive the author of the work into the ground. These readers never have any comprehension of the subject. They are simply emotionally offended.
What I find puzzling is the people I know who do not believe a word the government says about anything except 9/11. For reasons that escape me, they believe that the government that lies to them about everything else tells them the truth about 9/11. How can this be, I ask them. Did the government slip up once and tell the truth? My question does not cause them to rethink their belief in the government’s 9/11 story. Instead, they get angry with me for doubting their intelligence or their integrity or some such hallowed trait.
The problem faced by truth is the emotional needs of people. With 9/11 many Americans feel that they must believe their government so that they don’t feel like they are being unsupportive or unpatriotic, and they are very fearful of being called “terrorist sympathizers.” Others on the left-wing have emotional needs to believe that peoples oppressed by the US have delivered “blowbacks.” Some leftists think that America deserves these blowbacks and thus believe the government’s propaganda that Muslims attacked the US.
Naive people think that if the US government’s explanation of 9/11 was wrong, physicists and engineers would all speak up. Some have (see above). However, for most physicists and engineers this would be an act of suicide. Physicists owe their careers to government grants, and their departments are critically dependent on government funding. A physicist who speaks up essentially ends his university career. If he is a tenured professor, to appease Washington the university would buy out his tenure as BYU did in the case of the outspoken Steven Jones.
An engineering firm that spoke out would never again be awarded a government contract. In addition, its patriotic, flag-waving customers would regard the firm as a terrorist apologist and cease to do business with it.
In New York today there is an enormous push by 9/11 families for a real and independent investigation of the 9/11 events. Tens of thousands of New Yorkers have provided the necessary signatures on petitions that require the state to put the proposal for an independent commission up to vote. However, the state, so far, is not obeying the law.
Why are the tens of thousands of New Yorkers who are demanding a real investigation dismissed as conspiracy theorists? The 9/11 skeptics know far more about the events of that day than do the uninformed people who call them names. Most of the people I know who are content with the government’s official explanation have never examined the evidence. Yet, these no-nothings shout down those who have studied the matter closely.
There are, of course, some kooks. I have often wondered if these kooks are intentionally ridiculous in order to discredit knowledgeable skeptics.
Another problem that the 9/11 Truth Movement faces is that their natural allies, those who oppose the Bush/Obama wars and the internet sites that the antiwar movement maintains, are fearful of being branded traitorous and anti-American. It is hard enough to oppose a war against those the US government has successfully demonized. Antiwar sites believe that if they permit 9/11 to be questioned, it would brand them as "terrorist sympathizers" and discredit their opposition to the war. An exception is Information Clearing House.
Antiwar sites do not realize that, by accepting the 9/11 explanation, they have undermined their own opposition to the war. Once you accept that Muslim terrorists did it, it is difficult to oppose punishing them for the event. In recent months, important antiwar sites, such as antiwar.com, have had difficulty with their fundraising, with their fundraising campaigns going on far longer than previously. They do not understand that if you grant the government its premise for war, it is impossible to oppose the war.
As far as I can tell, most Americans have far greater confidence in the government than they do in the truth. During the Great Depression the liberals with their New Deal succeeded in teaching Americans to trust the government as their protector. This took with the left and the right. Neither end of the political spectrum is capable of fundamental questioning of the government. This explains the ease with which our government routinely deceives the people.
Democracy is based on the assumption that people are rational beings who factually examine arguments and are not easily manipulated. Studies are not finding this to be the case. In my own experience in scholarship, public policy, and journalism, I have learned that everyone from professors to high school dropouts has difficulty with facts and analyses that do not fit with what they already believe. The notion that "we are not afraid to follow the truth wherever it may lead" is an extremely romantic and idealistic notion. I have seldom experienced open minds even in academic discourse or in the highest levels of government. Among the public at large, the ability to follow the truth wherever it may lead is almost non-existent.
The US government's response to 9/11, regardless of who is responsible, has altered our country forever. Our civil liberties will never again be as safe as they were. America's financial capability and living standards are forever lower. Our country's prestige and world leadership are forever damaged. The first decade of the 21st century has been squandered in pointless wars, and it appears the second decade will also be squandered in the same pointless and bankrupting pursuit.
The most disturbing fact of all remains: The 9/11 event responsible for these adverse happenings has not been investigated. |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2009 1:01 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Best article I've read in a long time
I read PCR on CounterPunch all the time, and always enjoy his writing there. But I can feel Cockburn squirming when he reads stuff like this. It really describes his mentality to a T. |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2009 1:01 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
I've had the same experience
"What I find puzzling is the people I know who do not believe a word the government says about anything except 9/11. For reasons that escape me, they believe that the government that lies to them about everything else tells them the truth about 9/11." |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2009 1:04 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Roberts sums up a lot here - with an abundance of clarity
Another great point that he raises in the article is this:
'Naive people think that if the US government’s explanation of 9/11 was wrong, physicists and engineers would all speak up. Some have (see above). However, for most physicists and engineers this would be an act of suicide. Physicists owe their careers to government grants, and their departments are critically dependent on government funding. A physicist who speaks up essentially ends his university career.'
His comments about antiwar websites being self-defeating in shutting out 9/11 truth are also superb--essentially what I find myself thinking and saying all the time.
I was once an avid reader of antiwar.com, until their unyielding attitude toward 9/11 truth finally drove me away. To hear now that they are having trouble with their fundraising, I can't help but feel a kind of 'schadenfreude.'
Kudos to Roberts and to Information Clearing House. |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2009 1:05 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Its a FACEBOOK group...
George W. Bush, 43rd President of the United States, will be speaking in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan at TCU Place on Wednesday, October 21, 2009.
This group has been formed for the people of Saskatchewan and beyond who believe that George W. Bush is a war criminal and that he should not be welcome in our province except with a pair of handcuffs and a ticket to the international criminal court.
As president of the United States, Bush presided over one of the most unpopular presidencies both within the US and around the world. He turned widespread sympathy for the people of America after the 9-11 attacks into fear, disgust and disbelief at the execution of the so-called "War on Terror" which included the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.
The charges of war crimes, which are now being researched and carried forward by hundreds of lawyers and activists of all political stripes within the US and around the world, arise from invasion of Iraq - now widely acknowledged to have been started under false pretenses and in breach of the UN Charter and international law. The war in Iraq has claimed lives of Iraqis estimated to number in the hundreds of thousands to over a million. In addition, more than 4000 US soldiers have perished with tens of thousands more injured.
Under the Bush administration, illegal detention, torture and extraordinary rendition became official policy and the world watched in horror as the conditions within prisons such as Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay were revealed. Geneva Conventions were thrown out the door and George W. Bush and his cohorts attempted to elevate themselves above the law.
For these and other reasons too numerous to count, we will oppose George W. Bush's visit to Saskatoon and make our message heard to the people of the world "George W. Bush is not welcome in Saskatoon". We have a conscience and we will not let the visit of a war criminal go unnoticed and unopposed.
We reject the nightmarish world built upon hatred and fear that the Bush administration laid out for us. Instead we choose to build a future based on the dignity of all human beings and respect for life.
Please join us.
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[link to www.thestarphoenix.com]
Bush protest in works
Ex-president's visit to Saskatoon sparks opposition group |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2009 1:11 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Fires damage Masonic Temple, Marion Graham Collegiate
By Jeremy Warren, TheStarPhoenix.com September 16, 2009
SASKATOON — An early morning fire on Tuesday gutted the basement Shrine Club in Saskatoon’s Masonic Temple and caused $1 million in damage, ruining irreplaceable Mason regalia and vintage furniture.
The large fire, which has been ruled accidental, destroyed the basement, left smoke damage in the above lodge rooms and left charred brick along the temple’s rear. |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2009 1:27 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
One Year After 9/11 Responders' Plea For Help, White House Responds WIth Thank You Card
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Submitted by Jon Gold on Mon, 09/14/2009 - 2:53pm.
The Environmental Impact Of 9/11
Souce: nydailynews.com
BY MICHAEL MCAULIFF
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU
Friday, September 11th 2009, 3:15 PM
WASHINGTON - A group of Sept. 11 responders finally got an answer from the White House to their plea for help: a thank you card.
A year ago, members of the Fealgood Foundation delivered that plea to the future President and other lawmakers in a DVD telling the tale of four ailing heroes.
One of the four, Greg Quibell, had just died of 9/11-linked leukemia. Another, former FDNY firefighter John McNamara, died of cancer last month.
They wanted to show Congress why it must pass the James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act, an $8.4 billion bill to help ailing Sept. 11 workers.
But the act has languished. What the responders have gotten are thank you's, not just from the White House, but from members of Congress who also got copies of "Save the Brave."
"One congressman's office sent it back with a letter that said we're sorry, we don't accept gifts," said John Feal, who lost half his foot at Ground Zero.
Feal got the note from the White House saying "Thank you for your kind gift" last week.
Quibell's widow, Theresa, said the off-tone response was "disturbing," but would forgive it if the President delivers. "My God, at least take care of these guys now," she said.
Adminstration officials say Obama remains committed to those who answered the call on Sept. 11, and the days after. He reaffirmed his pledge Friday in the Daily News.
Congressional leaders insist they're committed as well, and the House could finish its bill this month - and vote by November.
Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-Manhattan) blamed the glacial pace on the GOP. "The previous administration denied there was even a problem," she said.
Rep. Pete King (R-Nassau) called it a bipartisan disgrace. "This is a clear breach of faith by the government," he said. "This is the same as leaving people on the battlefield."
Even if the House passes a bill, the Senate has barely started.
"We have an undeniable moral obligation," said Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, who is sponsoring the Senate bill. "I am optimistic that with President Obama in the White House and a Democratic Congress we can ... act."
After eight years, 9/11's heroes are left with little more than thank-you notes - and pain.
"The only gift I've received was the gift of cancer," said former FDNY firefighter Kenny Specht, who battled the disease in his thyroid. "I don't need a letter thanking me for my gift."
New Yorkers want something more tangible.
"My son is dying," said Stephen Grossman after visiting his son, Robert, 41, in the hospital where the ex-cop is losing a battle to cancer. "Whatever passes through Congress will be too late for him. I hope it's not too late for other people." |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2009 1:29 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Disgraceful
This is terrible when you consider that they are spending that $8 billion on making sure we all have a digital TV signal... criminal bastards, I hope they all fry for what they have done to the world
The love that you withhold is the pain that you carry |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2009 1:58 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Helping the Responders
I intend on holding a car wash on September 26, 2009 to raise some funds for the Fealgood Foundation and I am inviting anyone in the world who understands just how deep the lies go to participate. I know that a hundred or two- hundred dollars is not a lot, but the more people who host their own wash will grow the donation exponentially. If you would like to help, please visit [link to www.twitter.com] and click on the 2ndresponders link for more information. Thank You
P.S. You send your donations from your event directly to the Fealgood Foundation, no middle man. |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2009 2:09 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
FBI: 150 Years Required To Process And Release All 9/11 Investigative Records Via FOIA
The Assistant U.S. Attorney for the District of Nevada recently explained that processing for release via the Freedom of Information Act, all records contained within the FBI investigative file regarding the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 would require one hundred and fifty years.
This information was contained within a communication under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 408, pursuant to "Aidan Monaghan v. Department of Justice, Case No. 2:09-cv-00608-KJD-LRL".
Assistant U.S. Attorney for the District of Nevada:
"The first request (or sub-request) in the lawsuit is for "records generated or obtained regarding the FBI investigation of the 4 aircraft hijacked and destroyed at the World Trade Center in New York city, NY, the Pentagon building in Arlington, VA and Shanksville, PA during the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001." This appears to be a request for all records from the FBI's investigative file for the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. As I am sure you can appreciate, the FBI's investigative file on the significant and horrific events of September 11, 2001 is extremely large. Indeed, it is so large that the FBI conservatively estimates it would take well over 150 years to process your request for records from the investigative file."
[link to www.911blogger.com] |
| I Report You Decide
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9/17/2009 2:11 AM | | Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2009 2:20 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Do The Orders Still Stand?
Welcome to the blog that looks to expose the numerous fallacies, distortions, lies, misquotes, mistruths that the official conspiracy theory requires to be valid.
Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta was in the Presidential Emergency Operation Center with Vice President Cheney as Flight 77 approaced Washington, D.C. This plane was unidentified and flying in restricted airspace for over 45 mintues since the second tower was attacked and it was not intercepted by the Airforce. In fact, two fighters were launched but were sent out over the Atlantic searching for Russians.
On May 23, 2003 in front of the 9/11 Commission, Secretary Mineta testified:
"During the time that the airplane was coming in to the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President, "The plane is 50 miles out." "The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to "the plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the Vice President, "Do the orders still stand?" And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?"
[link to dotheordersstillstand.blogspot.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2009 2:20 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Further evidence from NORAD's Major General Larry Arnold's testimony to the 9/11 Commission confirms Norman Mineta's account of Cheney's words and actions that day as this analysis shows.
Vice President Cheney, the American people deserve to know what were the orders and why did they stand?
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Do the orders still stand? |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2009 2:24 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
According to Commissioner Hamilton:
The 9/11 Commission was lied to by the Pentagon, know of 100 people that have something to hide, didn't get everything right, underfunded by the Administration, and most shocking of all: "Set up to fail." |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2009 2:27 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
9/11 Resources-Your Mind Is Your Most Powerful Resource
* Patriots Question 911-Survivors, Military, Intelligence, Pilots, Academics, Entertainers, 9/11 Family Members Question The Official Story of 9/11 |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2009 2:31 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shrink from this responsibility.
I welcome it. — John F. Kennedy,
Inaugural Address Jan. 20, 1961
Click one of the following boxes to select a section
200+ Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials
700+ Engineers and Architects
200+ Pilots and Aviation Professionals
400+ Professors Question 9/11
230+ 9/11 Survivors and Family Members
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[link to www.patriotsquestion911.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2009 2:33 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
CREDIBLE CRITICS OF THE OFFICIAL ACCOUNT OF 9/11
41 U.S. Counter-Terrorism and Intelligence Agency Veterans Challenge the Official Account of 9/11 – Official Account of 9/11:
"Terribly Flawed," "Laced with Contradictions," "a Joke," "a Cover-up"
May 18, 2009 English PDF English HTML Danish PDF
French PDF German PDF Greek PDF Norwegian PDF
Polish PDF Swedish PDF |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2009 2:34 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
29 Structural & Civil Engineers Cite Evidence for Controlled Explosive Demolition in Collapses of All 3 WTC High-Rises on 9/11 – More than 800 Architects and Engineers have joined call for new investigation, faulting official collapse reports
June 17, 2009 PDF |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2009 2:36 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Respected Medical Professionals Launch New 9/11 Truth Group – Announces Online Petition Calling for New Investigation
Feb. 24, 2009 MS Word Article on OpEdNews |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2009 2:39 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Twenty-five U.S. Military Officers Challenge Official Account of 9/11 – Official Account of 9/11
“Impossible”, “A Bunch of Hogwash”, “Total B.S.”, “Ludicrous”, “A Well-Organized Cover-up”, “A White-Washed Farce”
Jan. 14, 2008 PDF Version Article on OpEdNews
“Impossible”, “A Bunch of Hogwash”, “Total B.S.”, “Ludicrous”, “A Well-Organized Cover-up”, “A White-Washed Farce” |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2009 2:43 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Eight U.S. State Department Veterans Challenge the Official Account of 9/11 – Official Account of 9/11
"Flawed", "Absurd", "Totally Inadequate", "a Cover-up" |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2009 2:47 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Seven Senior Federal Engineers and Scientists Call for New 9/11 Investigation – Official Account of 9/11
"Impossible", "Hogwash", "Fatally Flawed" |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/17/2009 2:50 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Major General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Commanding General of U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, 1981 - 1984. Also commanded the U.S. Army’s Electronic Research and Development Command and the U.S. Army’s Intelligence School and Center. Former head of Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence. 32-year Army career. Member, Military Intelligence Hall of Fame.
* Video interview 6/28/09:
General Stubblebine: I am Major General Albert Stubblebine. I am retired Army Major-General. In my last assignment -- my last command -- I was responsible for all of the Army's strategic intelligence forces around the world. I had responsibility for the Signals Intelligence, Photo Intelligence, Counter Intelligence, Human Intelligence. They all belonged to me, in my last assignment. …
I was supposed to find out what the enemy was doing, before the enemy did it so that we could take action against the enemy. That's Intelligence, OK, before the fact. So, we always -- always -- rely not on a single piece of data, before we make a statement, but on multiple and the more pieces of data that you have that correlate, the better you know exactly what is going on. …
So I have had a lot of experience looking at photographs. I have looked at many, many different kinds of photographs, from many, many different platforms on many, many different countries, around the world.
Interviewer: OK. So on September the 11th, in 2001, what hit the Pentagon?
General Stubblebine: I don't know exactly what hit it, but I do know, from the photographs that I have analyzed and looked at very, very carefully, it was not an airplane.
Interviewer: What made you believe that?
General Stubblebine: Well, for one thing, if you look at the hole that was made in the Pentagon, the nose penetrated far enough so that there should have been wing marks on the walls of the Pentagon. I have been unable to find those wing marks. So where were they? Did this vessel -- vehicle, or whatever it was -- have wings? Apparently not, because if it had had wings, they would have made marks on the side of the Pentagon.
One person counteracted my theory, and said, "Oh, you've got it all wrong. And the reason that it's wrong is that as the airplane came across, one wing tipped down and hit the ground and broke off." I said, "Fine, that's possible, one wing could have broken off." But if I understand airplanes correctly, most airplanes have two wings. I haven't met an airplane with only one wing. So where was the mark for the second wing? OK, one broke off -- there should have been a mark for the second wing. I could not find that in any of the photographs that I've analyzed. Now I've been very careful to not say what went in there. Why? Because you don't have that evidence. …
I did -- I've never believed that it was an airplane since I've looked at the photographs. Up until the time I looked at the photographs, I accepted what was being said. After I looked at it -- NO WAY! …
We pride ourselves with the "free press." I do not believe the "free press" is free any more. It's very expensive. It's very expensive. And the press is saying what they have been told to say about this.
Now, do I have proof of that? No. But I believe that what is being -- what certainly the -- the stories that were told -- all about 9/11 were false. I mean, you take a look at the buildings falling down. They didn't fall down because airplanes hit them. They fell down because of explosives went off inside. Demolition. Look at Building 7, for God's sake. It didn't fall down to its side. It didn't fall to this direction or that direction; just like the two Towers. …
When you look at the temperatures that you can create with fuel in a gas tank or a fuel tank of an airplane, and then you investigate the amount of heat that would be required to melt -- to melt -- the superstructure of the buildings that came tumbling down, when you put all of that together, the one thing that shows; It does not match the facts. What is it they do not want the public to know? [link to www.youtube.com]
* Video documentary One Nation Under Siege 7/11/06: "One of my experiences in the Army was being in charge of the Army’s Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence during the Cold War. I measured pieces of Soviet equipment from photographs. It was my job. I look at the hole in the Pentagon and I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon. And I said, ‘The plane does not fit in that hole’. So what did hit the Pentagon? What hit it? Where is it? What's going on?" [link to www.undersiegemovie.com]
* Editor's note: For more information on the impact at the Pentagon, see Colonel Nelson, Commander Muga, Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski, Lt. Col. Latas, Major Rokke, Capt. Wittenberg, Capt. Davis, Barbara Honegger, April Gallop, Colonel Bunel, and Steve DeChiaro.
* Bio: [link to web.archive.org] |
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