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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 772323
9/17/2009 2:59 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
‘the dog that doesn't hunt.’
Col. Ronald D. Ray, U.S. Marine Corps (ret) – Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense during the Reagan Administration and a highly decorated Vietnam veteran (two Silver Stars, a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart). Appointed by President George H.W. Bush to serve on the American Battle Monuments Commission (1990 - 1994), and on the 1992 Presidential Commission on the Assignment of Women in the Armed Forces. Military Historian and Deputy Director of Field Operations for the U.S. Marine Corps Historical Center, Washington, D.C. 1990 - 1994.
* Article 7/1/06: "The former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under the Reagan Administration and a highly decorated Vietnam veteran and Colonel has gone on the record to voice his doubts about the official story of 9/11 - calling it ‘the dog that doesn't hunt.’ ‘I'm astounded that the conspiracy theory advanced by the administration could in fact be true and the evidence does not seem to suggest that's accurate,’ he said." [link to www.propagandamatrix.com]
The specific quote follows. A subscription is required to access the audio recording.
agent provocateur: Colonel, is it safe to say or is the statement accurate that you smell something rotten in the state of Denmark when it comes to 9/11?
Col. Ray: I'm astounded that the conspiracy theory advanced by the administration could in fact be true and the evidence does not seem to suggest that that's accurate. That's true.
* Bio: [link to www.firstprinciplespress.org] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 772323
9/17/2009 3:08 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter. U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. (PhD in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Cal Tech). Former Head of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering and Assistant Dean at the U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology. 22-year Air Force career. Also taught Mathematics and English at the University of Southern California, the University of Maryland, and Phillips University.
* Member: Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth Association Statement:
"Scholars and professionals with various kinds of expertise---including architects, engineers, firefighters, intelligence officers, lawyers, medical professionals, military officers, philosophers, religious leaders, physical scientists, and pilots---have spoken out about radical discrepancies between the official account of the 9/11 attacks and what they, as independent researchers, have learned.
They have established beyond any reasonable doubt that the official account of 9/11 is false and that, therefore, the official “investigations” have really been cover-up operations.
Thus far, however, there has been no response from political leaders in Washington or, for that matter, in other capitals around the world. Our organization, Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth, has been formed to help bring about such a response.
We believe that the truth about 9/11 needs to be exposed now---not in 50 years as a footnote in the history books---so the policies that have been based on the Bush-Cheney administration’s interpretation of the 9/11 attacks can be changed.
We are, therefore, calling for a new, independent investigation of 9/11 that takes account of evidence that has been documented by independent researchers but thus far ignored by governments and the mainstream media."
* Video 9/11/04: "A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It’s impossible. … There’s a second group of facts having to do with the cover up. … Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don’t want us to know what happened and who’s responsible.…
Who gained from 9/11? Who covered up crucial information about 9/11? And who put out the patently false stories about 9/11 in the first place? When you take those three things together, I think the case is pretty clear that it’s highly placed individuals in the administration with all roads passing through Dick Cheney.
I think the very kindest thing that we can say about George W. Bush and all the people in the U.S. Government that have been involved in this massive cover-up, the very kindest thing we can say is that they were aware of impending attacks and let them happen. Now some people will say that’s much too kind, however even that is high treason and conspiracy to commit murder." [link to video.go] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 772323
9/17/2009 3:13 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Col. George Nelson, MBA, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former U.S. Air Force aircraft accident investigator and airplane parts authority. Graduate, U.S. Air Force War College. 34-year Air Force career. Licensed commercial pilot. Licensed airframe and powerplant mechanic.
* Essay: "In all my years of direct and indirect participation, I never witnessed nor even heard of an aircraft loss, where the wreckage was accessible, that prevented investigators from finding enough hard evidence to positively identify the make, model, and specific registration number of the aircraft -- and in most cases the precise cause of the accident. ...
The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from public view. …
With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon as alleged. Similarly, with all the evidence available at the Pennsylvania crash site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged. …
As painful and heartbreaking as was the loss of innocent lives and the lingering health problems of thousands more, a most troublesome and nightmarish probability remains that so many Americans appear to be involved in the most heinous conspiracy in our country's history." [link to www.physics911.net]
* Editor's note: For more information on the impact at the Pentagon, see General Stubblebine, Commander Muga, Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski, Lt. Col. Latas, Major Rokke, Capt. Wittenberg, Capt. Davis, Barbara Honegger, April Gallop, Colonel Bunel, and Steve DeChiaro.
* Member: Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice Association Statement: "Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice is a non-partisan organization consisting of independent researchers and activists engaged in uncovering the true nature of the September 11, 2001 attacks."
* Member: Pilots for 9/11 Truth Association Statement: "Pilots for 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals and pilots throughout the globe that have gathered together for one purpose. We are committed to seeking the truth surrounding the events of the 11th of September 2001. Our main focus concentrates on the four flights, maneuvers performed and the reported pilots. We do not offer theory or point blame. However, we are focused on determining the truth of that fateful day since the United States Government doesn't seem to be very forthcoming with answers."
* Member: Scientific Panel Investigating Nine-Eleven Association Statement: "We have found solid scientific grounds on which to question the interpretation put upon the events of September 11, 2001 by the Office of the President of the United States of America and subsequently propagated by the major media of western nations." |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 772323
9/17/2009 3:20 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Col. Donn de Grand-Pre, U.S. Army (ret) (1926 - 2009) – Former Director, Ground Weapons Systems, Office of International Logistics Negotiations serving as chief Pentagon arms negotiator for the Middle East. Former Civilian Deputy Chief of the International Division, Office of the Chief of Research and Development. Also served as Commander of Special Troops for the U.S. Army Reserves. Served as radio operator in World War II. Became commissioned officer in 1950. Infantry troop leader and paratrooper, as well as a combat troop commander and intelligence officer with the 27th Infantry "Wolfhound" Regiment in Korea 1950 - 1953. Sustained major injuries in Korea 1953. FAA certified private pilot. Author of Confessions of an Arms Peddler (1979), Barbarians Inside the Gates Book 1 (2000), The Viper's Venom: Barbarians Inside the Gates (Book III) (2002), Look Homeward Cowboy: A Saga of World War II (2002), The Rattler's Revenge: Barbarians Inside the Gates (Book III) (2003), The Boys from Bent Willow: A Saga of World War II (2003).
* Article September 11 - U.S. Government Accused by the Portugal News 3/8/02:
"A group of military and civilian US pilots, under the chairmanship of Colonel Donn de Grand [sic], after deliberating non-stop for 72 hours, has concluded that the flight crews of the four passenger airliners, involved in the September 11th tragedy, had no control over their aircraft.
In a detailed press communiqué the inquiry stated: "The so-called terrorist attack was in fact a superbly executed military operation carried out against the USA, requiring the utmost professional military skill in command, communications and control. It was flawless in timing, in the choice of selected aircraft to be used as guided missiles and in the coordinated delivery of those missiles to their pre-selected targets."
The report seriously questions whether or not the suspect hijackers, supposedly trained on Cessna light aircraft, could have located a target dead-on 200 miles from take off point. It further throws into doubt their ability to master the intricacies of the instrument flight rules (IFR) in the 45 minutes from take off to the point of impact. Colonel de Grand said that it would be impossible for novices to have taken control of the four aircraft and orchestrated such a terrible act requiring military precision of the highest order." [link to www.amfirstbooks.com]
* Member: Veterans For 9/11 Truth Association statement:
"Our mission, simply put, is to save the United States of America and to defend it from all enemies, foreign and domestic. To that end, we seek to restore true values, integrity, honesty, and leadership in government at the local, state and national level. We are opposed to tyranny and corruption. We seek to move this Nation from a state of perpetual warfare to a state of prolonged peace and prosperity.
In pursuit of our mission we have initially chosen to present evidence exposing the deception and lies that many in the military/intelligence/industrial/media establishment have been telling Americans and the world since September 11, 2001 concerning the events of that tragic day. Our mission includes seeking, discovering, and presenting evidence revealing the truth about the events of 9/11." [link to www.v911t.org] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 772323
9/17/2009 3:26 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Lt. Col. Shelton F. Lankford, U.S. Marine Corps (ret) – Retired U.S. Marine Corps fighter pilot with over 300 combat missions flown. Decorations include the Distinguished Flying Cross and 32 awards of the Air Medal. Aircraft flown: Douglas A-4 Skyhawk, Lockheed C-130H Hercules. 10,000+ total hours flown. 20-year Marine Corps career.
* Article Twenty-five U.S. Military Officers Challenge Official Account of 9/11 1/14/08:
“September 11, 2001 seems destined to be the watershed event of our lives and the greatest test for our democracy in our lifetimes. The evidence of government complicity in the lead-up to the events, the failure to respond during the event, and the astounding lack of any meaningful investigation afterwards, as well as the ignoring of evidence turned up by others that renders the official explanation impossible, may signal the end of the American experiment. It has been used to justify all manners of measures to legalize repression at home and as a pretext for behaving as an aggressive empire abroad. Until we demand an independent, honest, and thorough investigation and accountability for those whose action and inaction led to those events and the cover-up, our republic and our Constitution remain in the gravest danger.” [link to www.opednews.com]
* Statement to this website 2/20/07:
"This isn't about party, it isn't about Bush Bashing. It's about our country, our constitution, and our future. ...
Your countrymen have been murdered and the more you delve into it the more it looks as though they were murdered by our government, who used it as an excuse to murder other people thousands of miles away.
If you ridicule others who have sincere doubts and who know factual information that directly contradicts the official report and who want explanations from those who hold the keys to our government, and have motive, means, and opportunity to pull off a 9/11, but you are too lazy or fearful, or ... to check into the facts yourself, what does that make you? Scholars for 9/11 truth have developed reams of scientific data. Michael Ruppert published an exhaustive account of the case from the viewpoint of a trained investigator. David Ray Griffin provides a context for the unanswered or badly answered questions that should nag at anyone who pretends to love this country.
Are you afraid that you will learn the truth and you can't handle it? ...
Do a little research. Google is a wonderful tool.
What does it all add up to? The Commission was, as was the Warren Commission before it, a dog and pony show ... " Link to full statement
* Member: Pilots for 9/11 Truth Association Statement: "Pilots for 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals and pilots throughout the globe that have gathered together for one purpose. We are committed to seeking the truth surrounding the events of the 11th of September 2001. Our main focus concentrates on the four flights, maneuvers performed and the reported pilots. We do not offer theory or point blame. However, we are focused on determining the truth of that fateful day since the United States Government doesn't seem to be very forthcoming with answers." |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 771424
9/17/2009 11:00 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
9/11 was a inside job. How can any rational person not understand this? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 643302
9/17/2009 11:02 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
yes |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 773659
9/17/2009 11:22 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Power to the Peaceful Concert , 09/12/09
Submitted by Scott Beery on Wed, 09/16/2009 - 11:01pm.
Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth goes to San Francisco PTTP event
Hello to all the A&E members and non-members out spreading the Good word.
Hundreds of regular folks got to view the 'Architects & Engineers 911 Project Booth' at the 'Power to the Peaceful' concert event,
on Saturday the 12th at the Golden Gate park in downtown San Francisco.
The Booth looked better than ever this time with the additions of a couple of new banners and improvements to the TV display-side.
Tania Torres , Scott Sheckman , Dana Carson , and Brian Good were helping me get people to drop into the Booth on a regular basis.
This event went on for 8 plus hours, and was the most successful outside Booth event we've been deployed at to date !
Carol Brouillet was right next door withe the " Northern California Truth Alliance " passing out Truth & Cookies.
And spreading the word about NYC-CAN petition drive , now with 80.000 plus signatures.
We sold over 30 abridged Blueprint for the Truth DVD's at 5 dollars, and gave away a few freebees, And passed out a mountain of information and literature.
This concept can be replicated and reproduced around the country by enthusiastic volunteers anywhere. And should easily be done so.
I'll be posting more of how you can get a booth like this going in your own hometown, and the different materials you need for the project.
A Great deal of credit goes to Joe Heller of Grapic Graphics of Atlanta Ga.
Joe is A&E's banner maker / Thanks for all your help JOE
Look for future updates in the A&E 911 Truth Newsletter.
Thanks for all the Great Help - and a super weekend of Truth Telling at Golden Gate Park.
Scott Beery |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 773657
9/17/2009 11:27 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
YES |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 773659
9/17/2009 11:54 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Sibel Edmonds Deposition Video Clips re: 9/11 & Nuclear Trafficking
Sibel Edmonds testified under oath August 8, 2009. Below are links to four video clips and transcript portions related to her testimony regarding 9/11 and nuclear trafficking:
1) Sibel Edmonds Deposition Video Clip: State Secrets Gag Order
[link to wp.me]
This segment covers her testimony regarding former Attorney General John Ashcroft claim of State Secrets to justify placing two gag orders on her. The first gag order was in response to her First Amendment case, the second when she was subpoenaed by 9/11 families regarding her knowledge of Saudi institutions and Al Qaeda financing.
2) Sibel Edmonds Deposition Video Clip: Nuclear Trafficking- US & Turkish Officials & RAND
[link to wp.me]
This segment covers her testimony regarding the involvement of US and Turkish officials in a nuclear trafficking network, and the outing of Brewster Jennings as a CIA front company which was investigating them.
3) Sibel Edmonds Deposition Video Clip: Behrooz Sarshar – 9/11 Foreknowledge
[link to wp.me]
This segment covers her testimony regarding Behrooz Sarshar, an FBI translator who Edmonds took to the FBI’s Inspector General and the 9/11 Commission; Sarshar had personal knowledge that the “FBI received information in April 2001 from a reliable Iranian intelligence asset that Osama bin Ladin was planning attacks on four to five cities with planes. Some of the people were already in the country, and the attacks would happen in a few months."
4) Sibel Edmonds Deposition Video Clip: 'Cold War Is Not Over'
[link to wp.me]
This segment covers her testimony regarding US and Turkish government officials and other entities engagement in "... practices and policies that were inimical to American interests and had, in fact, resulted in both the direct and indirect loss of American lives." To summarize this, Edmonds says, "The best way to describe it is Cold War is not over." These 'practices and policies' include: CIA radicalizing Muslims for use in proxy wars contributed to 9/11; providing protection and aid, including US sanctuary, for Fetullah Gulan- a founder of radical Madrassahs; trafficking in nuclear secrets and outing Brewster Jennings as a CIA front company in Summer 01, when Marc Grossman discovered it was getting close to the nuclear trafficking network. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 773659
9/17/2009 11:58 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Another Important Question:
Do you agree with Thomas H. Kean and Lee H. Hamilton that the 911 commission was "set up to fail"? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 773659
9/18/2009 12:03 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Cynthia McKinney, Niels Harrit, Annie Machon, Giuletto Chiesa - October 10, 2009 - Paris
Submitted by Reprehensor on Thu, 09/17/2009 - 8:13am.
Annie Machon | Cynthia McKinney | Giulietto Chiesa | Niels Harrit
verslaverite.org
[link to www.verslaverite.org]
This looks to be a very interesting night in Paris.
[link to www.911blogger.com] |
| thing
User ID: 773761
9/18/2009 3:38 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
yes |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 773802
9/18/2009 5:51 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
If you haven't already... I would recommend looking at Charlie Sheen's new video with your daughter... it's very hot on Youtube with close to a million views already in its first week. Charlie's challenge to Obama is getting the attention of a whole bunch of newspapers, tv shows, and also stirring up a bunch of hit-pieces. None of the media have so far dared to respond to the facts; they use the same old tired approach of trying to discredit him.
Charlie's 20 briefings are based on facts taken from main stream media sources so they are at a loss to figure out how to deal with them... nor can they find anyone so far who is willing to debate Charlie in an open fair forum like Larry King. Charlie is prepared to bring with him one of the victim's father, Bob McIlvaine.
This is getting quite interesting. I would also invite the school principal and teacher to watch the video and consider the 20 briefings. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 773802
9/18/2009 6:00 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Quote:
Originally Posted by SoCalAU View Post
This is what happened. Quick, inform the Imperial Senate; we have a rouge.
Class we have a comedian but it doesnt appear he has any good jokes!
Unfortunate for us I suppose.
Just to let everyone in on my background I will elaborate. I have been demolishing steel framed structures as well as every other types of buildings/superstructures since 89. I have performed cutting with torches, plasma cutters and shears. From small residental houses to department of defense hangers, high rise hotels, olympic sized gunite swimming pools below sea level, and the route 1 clover leaf/bridges on our capitol beltway. Things that might look big to some no longer look big when we get done with it. Point being I know more than your average kitconite about the different methods of wrecking steel. Red hot dripping molten metal 192 hours after a building collapsed is very suspicious IMO. Steel cools very quickly after it has been cut, heated or melted. I didnt beleive anything but what I was told by the media until 2007. At that time I began looking into the whole thing. After a few hours of investigation I now beleive that something other than what we have been told happened on 9/11. I have no idea who is behind this whole fiasco but there is more to the story than meets the eye. I do beleive Bin laden had a part in this attack but I also beleive someone capitalized on his plan. Will we find out what all happened or who was involved? I doubt it but that wont stop us from pursing the truth. One thing is for certain a light saber was NOT uitlized in the cutting of the beams in questions. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 773802
9/18/2009 6:02 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Agreed. And to me, this photo is the clincher. It was taken during the afternoon of 9/11 and shows the north side of WTC7 before the 47 storey building collapsed in under 6.5 seconds. (The towers were on the other side.)
Check out the two relatively small fires. IMO it hardly looks like an inferno.
Notice the dozen or so firemen NOT working to put them out, but rather, they seem to be chatting with police and just watching. If you're wondering why, it's because they were told to back off and that the building was going to be brought down. [link to www.youtube.com]
Just wondering, is this thread making a difference or causing anyone to rethink what we were all led to believe? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 773817
9/18/2009 6:45 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
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Sheen Challenges 9/11 Truth Debunkers to Larry King Live Debate
Fri Sep 11, 2009 7:00pm EDT
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'We're not hiding,' states Sheen as he calls out McCain, Hannity, Limbaugh and
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AUSTIN, Sept. 11 /PRNewswire/ -- Appearing on The agent provocateur Show today to
discuss his video address to Barack Obama, Charlie Sheen has challenged those
who have publicly attacked him for speaking out on 9/11, particularly Meghan
McCain, Rush Limbaugh Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly, to debate him on CNN's
Larry King Live.
Following the publication of Sheen's "20 Minutes With The President," a
fictionalized account of a meeting with Barack Obama in which Sheen implores
the President to reopen the investigation of 9/11 in light of the majority of
the 9/11 Commission members publicly denouncing the official story as a
deception, McCain attacked Sheen on ABC's top rated show The View, comparing
people who question 9/11 with holocaust deniers.
"I quoted Charlie Sheen yesterday about his experience with prostitutes, so
really you're the one I should be listening to about 9/11? . . . I am not
going to take my political advice from Charlie Sheen," stated McCain, daughter
of the former Republican nominee John McCain.
McCain's sophomoric reliance on attacking Sheen on the foundation of decades
old events in his personal life, while failing to address even one of the 20
pieces of evidence raised in his letter to Obama, is typical of the media
response to Sheen's challenge thus far.
Amongst the scoffers and debunkers, not one corporate media outfit has managed
to actually address a single point Sheen raised in his letter, resorting
instead to childish quips and badly researched proclamations.
A familiar theme arising out of such hit pieces is an effort to imply that
Sheen's questioning of the official 9/11 story is somehow an "outrage" and
hurtful to the family members of the victims, despite the fact that the
majority of victims' family members share the same questions.
Furthermore, claiming that people who doubt the government story are on par
with holocaust deniers completely ignores the fact that six of the ten 9/11
Commission members, along with scores of other highly credible former and
current government officials, intelligence professionals, military officials,
scientists, structural engineers and architects, and legal scholars have all
publicly questioned the official version of events behind September 11.
Fox News talking heads Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity, as well as popular
radio host Rush Limbaugh, have also attempted to attack Sheen's credibility
while failing to discuss any of the subjects he actually raised.
In response, Sheen told The agent provocateur Show that he is challenging any one or
all of McCain, Hannity, Limbaugh or O'Reilly to a debate about 9/11 on CNN's
Larry King Live or any other television show in Los Angeles, adding that the
show must be broadcast live to prevent bias editing.
Should the debate go ahead, Sheen will be accompanied by Bob Mcilvaine, a 9/11
families representative who lost his son Robert in the attacks. Sheen
suggested that his adversary in the debate be accompanied by representatives
from Popular Mechanics, who have routinely sought to debunk questions
surrounding 9/11.
"Let's do it," Sheen told the agent provocateur Show Friday. "I issue the challenge
to debate Meghan McCain, Rush Limbaugh, Sen Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, bring them
all, Bob Mcilvaine and I will join you on Larry King Live and you guys bring
whatever you've got ... and we'll show up with the truth and we'll just see
how it goes - we're not hiding," added Sheen.
Watch the clip from The View at [link to www.youtube.com] .
For media requests on this subject email sheen@agent provocateur.com
The agent provocateur Show broadcasts live from Austin, TX from 11AM-3PM Central.
agent provocateur' show and websites agent provocateur.com and agent provocateur.com are a focal
point and a forum where many prominent figures from academia, the political
world and Hollywood have spoken out about what really happened on September
11th.
*(PHOTO 72dpi: www.Send2Press.com/mediaboom/09-0908-CSheen_72dpi.jpg)
*(Photo Caption: Charlie Sheen. Credit: agent provocateur.)
This release was issued on behalf of the above organization by Send2Press(R),
a unit of Neotrope(R). [link to www.Send2Press.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
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CHARLIE SHEEN AND 9/11
2009 September 9
tags: 9/11, Afghanistan, al-Qaeda, America, Barack Obama, Charlie Sheen, CIA, Cuba, Department of Justice, Dick Cheney, George Bush, George W. Bush, Gulf of Tonkin, Iran, Israel, JFK assassination, Musharraf, NATO, NORAD Air Defense, Operation Northwoods, Osama bin Laden, Pakistan, Pearl Harbor, Pentagon, PNAC, Project 2012, Project for a New American Century, Sibel Edmonds, Taliban, terrorism, United States, USA, USS Maine, Video, Videos, war on terror, Zardari, Zionist
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Charlie Sheen
On 8 September 2009, agent provocateur.com has an article entitled: Charlie Sheen Requests Meeting With Obama Over 9/11 Cover-Up (“20 Minutes With The President,” )
Among the points Charlie Sheen makes:
1. 60% of the 9/11 commissioners have publicly stated that the government agreed not to tell the truth about 9/11 and that the Pentagon was engaged in deliberate deception about their response to the attack.
2. In August 2006, in the Washington Post, John Farmer, senior council to the 9/11 commission, stated: “I was shocked how different the truth was from the way it was described…
“The (NORAD Air Defense) tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years….”
3. Commissioner Max Cleland, an ex-Senator from Georgia, resigned, stating: “It is a national scandal. This investigation is now compromised. One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9/11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up.”
4. Several top commissioners suspected such serious deception that they considered referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation.
5. Obama promised to abolish the Patriot Act and then voted to re-authorize it.
Obama pledged to end warrantless wire tapping against the American people and now energetically defends it.
Obama decried the practice of rendition and now continues it.
Obama promised over and over again on the campaign trail to end the practice of indefinite detention and instead, he has expanded it to permanent detention of ‘detainees’ without trial.
This far exceeds the outrages of the former administration.
6. It took 17 days to begin the investigation into JFK’s assassination and 11 days to begin the investigation into Pearl Harbor.
It took roughly 14 months to begin the 9 11 investigation.
It only took FIVE HOURS for Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld after the initial 9 11 attack to recommend and endorse a full scale offensive against Iraq.
7. “Operation Northwoods” is a declassified Pentagon plan to stage terror attacks on US soil, to be blamed on Cuba as a pretext for war.
Staged provocations are said to include the USS Maine Incident, the sinking of the Lusitania and the Gulf of Tonkin incident.
8. The think-tank “Project For a New American Century” published “Rebuilding Americas Defenses”.
It was written by Dick Cheney and Jeb Bush.
This document states: “Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor.”
9. In early 2008, Pulitzer prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh and MSNBC, both reported that Cheney had proposed to the Pentagon a plan to have the U.S. Navy create fake Iranian patrol boats, to be manned by Navy Seals, who would then stage an attack on US destroyers in the Strait of Hormuz.
This event was to be blamed on Iran and used as a pretext for war.
10. On the FBI’s most wanted list Osama Bin Laden is not charged with the crimes of 911.
The FBI says: “There’s not enough evidence to link Bin Laden to the crime scene.”
Osama has never even been indicted by the Department of Justice (D.O.J.)
11. FBI translator Sibel Edmonds, was dismissed and gagged by the D.O.J.
She revealed that the government had foreknowledge of 9 11.
In July 2009, Sibel Edmonds revealed that Osama Bin Laden, Al Qaeda and the Taliban were all working for and with the C.I.A. up until the day of 9/11.
12. Mayor Giuliani, during an interview on 9/11 with Peter Jennings for ABC News, said: “I went down to the scene and we set up headquarters at 75 Barkley Street, which was right there with the Police Commissioner, the Fire Commissioner, the Head of Emergency Management, and we were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was going to collapse.“
Who told him it was going to collapse?
13. In April 2004, USA Today reported, “In the two years before the Sept. 11 attacks, the North American Aerospace Defense Command conducted exercises simulating what the White House says was unimaginable at the time: hijacked airliners used as weapons to crash into targets and cause mass casualties.” One of the targets was the World Trade Center.
14. On 12 September 2007, CNN’s ‘Anderson Cooper 360′, reported that the mysterious “white plane” spotted and videotaped by multiple media outlets, flying in restricted airspace over the White House shortly before 10am on the morning of 9/11, was in fact the Air Force’s E-4B, a specially modified Boeing 747 with a communications pod behind the cockpit; otherwise known as “The Doomsday Plane”.
The 9/11 Commission did not believe the appearance of the military plane was of any interest and did not include it in the final 9/11 Commission report. |
| Anonymous Coward
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15. Three F-16s assigned to Andrews Air Force Base, ten miles from Washington, DC, are conducting training exercises in North Carolina 207 miles away as the first plane crashes into the WTC.
Even at significantly less than their top speed of 1500 mph, they could still have defended the skies over Washington well before 9am, more than 37 minutes before Flight 77 crashes into the Pentagon. However, they did not return until after 9:55am.
Andrews AFB had no armed fighters on alert and ready to take off on the morning of 9/11.
16. Flight 93 is fourth plane to crash on 9/11 at 10:03am.
Vice president Cheney only gives shoot down order at 10:10-10:20am and this is not communicated to NORAD until 28 minutes after Flight 93 has crashed.
Three months before the attacks of 9/11, Dick Cheney usurped control of NORAD, and therefore he, and no one else, had the power to call for military sorties on the hijacked airliners on 9/11.
He did not exercise that power.
Three months after 9/11, he relinquished command of NORAD and returned it to military operation.
17. Scores of main stream news outlets reported that the F.B.I. conducted an investigation of reports that at least FIVE of the 9/11 hijackers were trained at U.S. military flight schools.
Those investigations are now sealed and need to be declassified.
18. In 2004, New York firefighters Mike Bellone and Nicholas DeMasi went public to say they had found the black boxes at the World Trade Center, but were told to keep their mouths shut by FBI agents.
Nicholas DeMasi said that he escorted federal agents on an all-terrain vehicle in October 2001 and helped them locate the devices, a story backed up by rescue volunteer Mike Bellone.
As the Philadelphia Daily News reported at the time, “Their story raises the question of whether there was a some type of cover-up at Ground Zero.”
19. Hundreds of eye witnesses including first responders, fire captains, news reporters, and police, all described multiple explosions in both towers before and during the collapse.
20. An astounding video, uncovered from the archives, shows BBC News correspondent Jane Standley reporting on the collapse of WTC Building 7 over twenty minutes before it fell at 5:20pm on the afternoon of 9/11.
Tapes from earlier BBC broadcasts show news anchors discussing the collapse of WTC 7 a full 26 minutes in advance.
The BBC at first claimed that their tapes from 9/11 had been ‘lost’ before admitting that they made the ‘error’ of reporting the collapse of WTC 7 before it happened without adequately explaining how they could have obtained advance knowledge of the event.
Over an hour before the collapse of WTC 7, at 4:10pm, CNN’s Aaron Brown reported that the building “has either collapsed, or is collapsing.” |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/18/2009 6:59 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
21. Solicitor General Ted Olson’s claim that his wife Barbara Olsen called him twice from Flight 77, describing hijackers with box cutters, was a central plank of the official 9/11 story.
However, the credibility of the story was completely undermined after Olsen kept changing his story about whether his wife used her cell phone or the airplane phone.
The technology to enable cell phone calls from high-altitude airline flights was not created until 2004.
American Airlines confirmed that Flight 77 was a Boeing 757 and that this plane did not have airplane phones on board.
According to the FBI, Barbara Olsen attempted to call her husband only once and the call failed to connect, therefore Olsen must have been lying when he claimed he had spoken to his wife from Flight 77.
22. The size of a Boeing 757 is approximately 125ft in width and yet images of the impact zone at the Pentagon supposedly caused by the crash merely show a hole no more than 16ft in diameter.
The engines of the 757 would have punctured a hole bigger than this, never mind the whole plane.
Images before the partial collapse of the impact zone show little real impact damage and a sparse debris field completely inconsistent with the crash of a large jetliner, especially when contrasted with other images showing airplane crashes into buildings. |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/18/2009 7:09 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
23. During the 9/11 Commission hearings, the following information was given by then Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta.
During the time that the airplane was coming in to the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to Vice President Cheney, “The plane is 50 miles out.” Then, “The plane is 30 miles out.” And when it got down to “the plane is 10 miles out,” the young man also said to the Vice President, “Do the orders still stand?”
And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said, “Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?”
The plane was not shot down.
The Pentagon defensive system was not activated.
24. In May 2003, the Miami Herald reported how the Bush administration was refusing to release a 900-page congressional report on 9/11 because it wanted to “avoid enshrining embarrassing details in the report,” particularly regarding pre-9/11 warnings as well as the fact that the hijackers were trained at U.S. flight schools.
25. Top Pentagon officials cancelled their scheduled flights for September 11th on September 10th. San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown, following a security warning, cancelled a flight into New York that was scheduled for the morning of 9/11.
26. The technology to enable cell phone calls from high-altitude airline flights was not created until 2004, and even by that point it was only in the trial phase.
Calls from cell phones which formed an integral part of the official government version of events were technologically impossible at the time.
27. On April 29, 2004, President Bush and V.P. Cheney would only meet with the commission under specific clandestine conditions. They insisted on testifying together and not under oath. They also demanded that their testimony be treated as a matter of ’state secret.’ To date, nothing they spoke of that day exists in the public domain.
28. A few days after the attack, several newspapers as well as the FBI reported that a paper passport had been found in the ruins of the WTC.
In August 2004, CNN reported that 9/11 hijacker Ziad Jarrah’s visa was found in the remains of Flight 93 which went down in Shanksville, Pennsylvania.
At least a third of the WTC victim’s bodies were vaporized and many of the victims of the Pentagon incident were burned beyond recognition.
And yet visas and paper passports which identify the perpetrators and back up the official version of events miraculously survive explosions and fires that we are told melted steel buildings. |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/18/2009 7:32 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
“The Americans were responsible for creation of a gangster state headed by an utterly unscrupulous set of leaders,” – Sir John Troutbeck wrote in his letter to the foreign secretary, Ernest Bevin on June 2, 1948.
“Of course the people don’t want war….but after all, it’s the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it’s always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether, it’s a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a parliament or a Communist dictatorship,” – Dr. Herman Georing, Hitler’s propaganda minister.
The former British Minister of Environment, Michael Meacher, in his article titled The war on terrorism is bogus (Guardian, September 6, 2003) – wrote that the 9/11 attacks gave the US an ideal pretext to use force to secure its world domination.
On February 7, 2001 – former CIA director George Tenet (born as David Cohen) eerily described to the Congress what did occured six months later: “Terrorists are also becoming oprationally more adept and more technically sophisticated (inside Afghanistani caves!) in order to defeat counter-terrorism measures…”
The Project for the New American Century (PNAC), was a Zionist think tank, which during 1997-2006 – played a very significant role in reshaping the Middle East map by Washington which has made Israel is the greatest beneficiary of the so-called “War on Terror”. Zionist William Kristol and Robert Kagan who founded the PNAC – urged Bill Clinton to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, though, both countries posed no military or economic threat to the US. The Jewish controlled mainstream media provided support to PNAC hoax by inventing propaganda lies of WMDs, Saddam’s involvement in 9/11; his invasion of Kuwait, and his use of chemical warfare against Shias and Kurds – which all were carried out by western blessings. However, to sell their evil agenda against the Muslim world – they needed a “New Pearl Harbor” some horrible tragedy to happen on the very soil of America – which did happen on September 11, 2001. Nine days after the 9/11 (September 20, 2001) – PNAC sent a letter (authors included Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, and Scooter Libby) to Dubya Bush urging him to bring a ‘regime change’ in Iraq, while projecting Islamic Iran as “the future threat” to the US: “Over the long term, Iran may well prove a large threat to US interests in Persian Gulf as Iraq has. And even should US-Iranian relations improves, retaining forward-based forces in the region would still be a essential in US security strategy given the longstanding American interests in the region…”
The PNAC, after successfully completing its goal of destroying any possible threat to the zionist entity – closed down their shop in 2006 – and most of its members joined the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), another Jewish think tank with intimate links to the Likud Party in Israel.
Gideon Long (Reuters, May 28, 2003) quoting Amnesty International Report 2002, wrote: “Washington’s war on terror has made the world more dangerous by curbing human rights, undermining international law and shielding governments from secrutiny….”
One of the other Zionist think tanks which plays an important part in American imperialism around the world – is The International Crisis Group . Its board members include Jewish billionaire George Soro, Morton Abramowitz, Kenneth Adelman, Zbigniew Brzezinski, and former president of Council on Foreign Affairs, Leslie H. Gelb.
Mahboob Khawaja PhD in his July 14 article under the title The War on Terrorism that America lost, wrote:
The premise of the American led “war on terrorism” was based on the Nazis blueprint of flagrant lies and perpetuated “fear” to drain out all the positive and creative thinking of the American people and to enslave them for years to come while the Neo-conservatives dominated Bush Administration with overwhelming indoctrination of Nazism continued the militancy towards freedom of thought and conscience, human rights and legal justice denying America’s own history and rich values. America lost the war the day it invaded Iraq. The American Empire had no purpose and strategy to fight Islamists and its delusion represents failure and self-defeat on all the fronts.
The overriding motivation for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are shielded by political smokescreen that the US and UK will run out of sufficient hydrocarbon energy supplies in 2010, whereas, the Arab and Muslim world would control almost 60% of the world oil producing capacity and perhaps more significantly 95% of the remaining global oil production capacity. The news media reports indicate that the US is predicted to produce only 39% of the domestic oil production in 2010, whereas in 1990, it produced 57% of its total oil consumption. The UK Government had projected ”severe” gas shortages by 2005, and indicated that 70% of the electricity will be drawn from gas and 90% of gas will be imported. It is interesting to note that Iraq is said to have 110 trillion cubic feet of gas reserves in addition to approximately 15 – 20% of the world oil reserves. In another research report by the Commission on America’s National Interests (July 2000), it observed that the most promising new energy resources are found in the Caspian Sea, Central Asian region and it would avoid the US exclusive dependence on the Saudi Arabian oil imports. The report outlined the feasible routes for the Caspian Seas oil deliveries, one hydrocarbon pipeline via Azerbaijan and Georgia and another pipeline through Afghanistan and Pakistan would ensure the future strategic demands of the US government. To counteract the USSR influence in Afghanistan, Taliban group was created with active support of the US intelligence agencies and the Peoples Party of Pakistan under the former PM Miss Bhutto. The Taliban group was helped to form a government in Afghanistan and to ensure the future passage of a hydrocarbon pipeline via Afghanistan and Pakistan onward to the Arabian Sea. The leadership included Osama bin Laden, the close affiliate of the US sponsored war against the Soviet Union. For years, the US officials held discussion with these groups to finalize formal agreement for the passage of the oil and gas pipelines in Afghanistan. If the author of the Forbidden Truth has any credibility, the US and Taliban negotiators continued discussion of the possible pipeline until August 2001. After the 9/11 attacks, the US government was outraged and asked Pakistan’s military leader General Pervez Musharaf to dismantle the Taliban government from power in Kabul. The US government never made any claim or evidence public to suggest that Taliban as a group were involved in the September 2001 attacks on the US.
After President Barrak Obama was sworn in as the new President, America looked morally exhausted and militarily lost, being unable to think of the much needed strategic change but more importantly, searching desperately for a navigational change in wars against the Islamists.
Gwynne Dyer, a well known British author (“The International Terrorist Conspiracy”), asserts that terrorism is not an ideology but a political technique and those groups willing to opt for violence in support of their goals, may resort to it. Dyer maintains that “there is no shadowy but powerful network waging a terrorist war against the West, the whole thing is a fantasy….there never was much of an Islamist “terrorist network” anyway – certainly nothing to compare the extensive cooperation between the extreme left-wing “urban guerrilla” of the developed world (Germany’s Baader-Meinhof Gang, Italy’s Red Brigades, the Japanese Red Army etc.)…..” |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/18/2009 7:41 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
john permalink
I am an american citizen and I do not support the war in middle east. In fact the explanation our gov’t and press give us do not support the need for aggression toward any group in the middle east. I know the CIA was created by wallstreet. The real reason behind the wars america, britain, france, and other colonial and imperial powers bring to the innocent muslims and christians in the world, is financial slavery. Right now the “super-powers” are creating a global financial system where we will become slaves to the rich. The corporations that are supporting the wars in the middle east are the instigators for civil unrest. Example, after Karsai, the leader of afghanistan, served as consultant to chevron to negotiate a pipeline with the taliban and the taliban refused, then we (thanks to chevron) went and took over afghanistan and appointed Karsai as leader. If you want to know where the next global regional conflict will be, just look at where “proposed pipeline corridors” are planned. You will see a trail of tears. Look at Bosnia, Serbia, Croatia. Do you recall Milosovitch stating that he had intel evidence that the cia was supporting mujadeen fighters in raiding christian villages. The purpose of this treason is to facilitate christian support of defending against “muslim extremist” therefore creating legislation that allows UN forces to secure the area for political manipulation. Once political manipulation takes place, people like Karsai say we will build your pipeline after we secure the Swat Valley, or Kabul, or Bagdad, or Basra, or Sarajevo. Then civil terror is used to direct the choices of the occupied country. There will be more attacks on financial sectors in the world. These attacks are meant to destabilize and destroy financial markets and to create the need for a global financial currency. I just hope that people like you who read these words of truth say to the oppressors, we love you but we cannot support you ways because they kill our neighbors and pollute our waters and destroy things that we value, whether they be our moral values or our religious values. Why should jewish political influence that rules england, america, france, and israel use its political power to corrupt our values and morals? Being born in america I see what america exports to other nations. Violence, death, pornographic media, bombs, military weaponry, fear, starvation (economic sanctions), refined sugar, processed food, movie stars(idols), assassinations, coups, forced labor , prisons,
economic slavery, propaganda, land mines, lies, etc. Please love each other, that is our strongest weapon we have against the oppressors. Peace be with you. I pray that we can enjoy each other for who we are not who they want us to be. Peace and love to you.
john |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/18/2009 7:45 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
HOLLYWOOD star Charlie Sheen has stunned Americans by claiming the US Government were behind the 9/11 atrocity.
Sheen appealed to President Barack Obama to hold a new investigation into the attacks on the Twin Towers in New York and the Pentagon in Washington DC.
Sheen, 44, the highest paid actor on US TV, said the official 9/11 story is "an absolute fairytale, a complete work of fiction and not a very good one".
He claims the attacks served as "the pretext for the dismantling of our Constitution and Bill of Rights" and to justify war on Iraq.
He also hints that Osama bin Laden works for the US government. |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/18/2009 7:47 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
yes |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/18/2009 7:47 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
I totally agree with charlie on this one, but as said above that truth will damage his career
so best of luck to you charlie and watch your back |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/18/2009 7:49 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Charlie Sheen is not the only American who believes this. He happens to be famous enough that what he says attracts attention. President Obama should launch an investigation into the September 11th attacks. |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/18/2009 7:50 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
i believe him too, people need to wake up. |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/18/2009 7:51 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
well done Charlie Sheen for coming out stating these true facts pubicly again....David dIcke was also ridiculed by the mass media on the wogan show....16 years later whos looking sheepish now...since 9/11 many peoples eyes opened fully and can see through the fabricated lies... |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/18/2009 7:53 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Shill alert
He's an idiot. Yes, there are some Americans that beilieve that crap, but 99% don't. It's complete lunacy. |
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