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Posted by: ICEGUNNER
Fair play to him, he´s only saying what the rest of the informed public know. Undoubtedly you will have the sheeple saying it´s total BS, but it only takes a little bit of intuitive investigation to know that it was without doubt and at the very least allowed to happen. |
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Posted by: comeonireland
fair play to you charlie, plenty of people have the same opinion but you're the only celeb with the stones to come out and say it. |
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Posted by: x-kim-x
Thank god someone in the USA was finally brave enough to say what the rest of the world has known since the day that awful terrorist attack took place, there where major flaws on all accounts, why did those planes manage to get into NYC without being shot down? why did president bush look so calm when he heard for the first time what was going on? the biggest terrorist that day was George bush! |
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YES. |
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Posted by: Kriticaly_Kryptic
Oh please,almost 10 years or so after the fact,free masons and illuminates are probably driving their cars over cliffs and crash landing their air planes laughing at that,then again that's probably why Charlie said it! |
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Posted by: NYCKOP
911 facts: 2 planes hit 2 towers, 3 steel structured buildings fell, all at free fall speed, no steel structured building has ever before, or since, collapsed from fire; it took 14 months to open an investigation which cost 1/4 of the amount of the investigation into Clinton's extra curricula activities, it took roughly 2 weeks after JFK was shot and Pearl Harbor was attacked to open an investigation (5 hours after the attack Rumsfled ordered plans be drawn up to invade Iraq); 7 Israeli 'students' were arrested after filming and celebrating from New Jersey on that day, they were promptly sent home, all Ben Laden family members in the US, the closest link to suspect number 1 of the biggest murder in modern times, were flown home without questioning while the rest of US was on arial lockdown, Bush/Cheney repeatedly refused to be questioned but finally agreed as long as they were together and not under oath (they also fought against any investigation): that's the tip of the iceberg folks! |
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Posted by: archemis
911 was an orchestrated event, designed to justify the so called 'War on Terror'. The War on Terror was created to take away our liberties and to instill fear on a global scale. There is no better way to control people, than to have them live in a state of fear. Well done Sheen for helping the World wake up to one of history's biggest crimes against humanity. |
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Posted by: the-red666
IF YOU BELIEVE LEE HARVEY OSWALD KILLED KENNEDY THEN YOU ARE DUMB ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THE OFFICIAL 911 THEORY. |
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Posted by: rhema4000
As the years go by it's becoming more and more obvious that it was an inside job. Still I don't really believe that Obama would ever admit the truth. He seems to be just a puppet of people behind the scene. |
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Posted by: jajuoka
well done charlie, stating the bleeding obvious but timing is perfect. now you need to get bruce willis, woody harrelson, keanu reeves and robert downey jr, and in fact anyone in hollywood with half a brain, to find the courage to do the same. false flag terror is literally the oldest trick in the book, a book which the british wrote a huge chunk of!!! |
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Posted by: NYCKOP
bassman how'd they make the calls from cel phones when the technology came 3 years later? why'd they take 14 months to open an investigation? why have we never seen a photo/video of the plane hitting the pentagon when there are cameras all over Washington? you think they consulted with the whole gvt for this operation? call me crazy but there are so many holes in the official story a blind man can see it... |
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Posted by: britishnick
Mr Sheen has respectfully checked the evidence, GOOD MAN!!! We know it was a controlled demolition - a pretext for war. over 830 architects and structural engineers call for a new investigation because trhey know the offical story is a LIE. when will the MEDI ACATCH UP WITH THE TRUTH???? |
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Posted by: jav10
The governments always lie, i agree it was an inside job, people should google "Tim Osman" and research the Illuminati |
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Posted by: Dolphinius
Surely, if it was a Muslim led attack, they would have wanted the Twin Towers to collapse as laterally as possible, in order to cause the maximum devastation.
Why would you want to purposely practice damage limition?..
If, indeed, that was the case.
Was there any specific purpose in the planes crashing into the sides that they did? Or was it simply 'line of best sight'? |
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Posted by: NWOTruthseeker
Well done Charlie Sheen. Its clear to anyone with half a brain that the events of 9/11 were CIA led. The attacks helped the US fulfill their goals of invading Iraq and Afghanistan as well as exorting more control on their people. Al Qaeda are CIA agents, sooner people realise this the better! Well done again Charlie. Now for the NWO.... |
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Posted by: Ken_Fre
911 was most definitely an inside job! No doubt orchestrated by rogue elements of the US government to act the as pretext for war in Afghanistan and Iraq.
In the last couple of years the truth surrounding 911 has exploded on the internet. Anyone searching for the truth is literally only a couple of Google away!
I am sick and tired of the main stream media constantly distorting and covering up the truth regarding 911!
I’m so glad Charlie Sheen has spoken up, it takes real courage to speak up on this issue but someone must before it becomes too late.
We all must be more vocal on this issue, which means talking to our friends, neighbours and colleagues about 911 and start to demand the truth from our represented officials! |
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Posted by: TruthWatch
The greatest threats to U.S. society are not coming from "terrorists" or "rogue nations" abroad. They are coming from the words and actions of elected officials here at home. Actions of the Department of Justice and the Patriot Act passed by Congress that threatens to turn the U.S. into a permanent security state. Likewise, the greatest threats to global peace and to human development and security worldwide are coming from U.S. policymakers carrying out their lawful duties. Charlie Sheen is a true patriot who has the backbone to question authority instead of blindly following the leader. Hopefully his bravado will encourage others in the limelight to support his initiative to dig up the truth to so many unanswered questions. The victims of 9/11 deserve it. |
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New Version Of "What Hit The Pentagon?"
911 | pentagon | Science
Numerous criticisms have been received of "What Hit the Pentagon?". Some pointed to errors, some were unfounded. The new version, version 4, has now been placed at the Journal of 9/11 Studies. I have attempted to correct errors and have added a preface to help explain the purpose of the paper.
[link to journalof911studies.com]
If this proves to provoke further criticism, a version 5 may well be produced, as I regard this issue as extremely important. The fact that explosives were used at the WTC is now widely accepted by the truth movement, as the science is now well understood. In the case of the Pentagon attack, however, there is a lack of cohesion in the movement because widely differing views are held. This damages our credibility. The paper provides a study of evidence to show what can, and more importantly, what cannot, be scientifically proved. It makes the case for avoiding asserting to the public what cannot be proved. It is important to avoid action which will impede progress toward a new investigation, with the hope of prosecution of those responsible for 9/11. |
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Anti-Americanism in Israel
Justin Raimondo
Obama gets tough with the Israelis – or, rather, talks about getting tough – and hilarity ensues:
"In a sign of growing concern in Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu’s government over U.S. President Barack Obama’s Middle East policies, Minister-without- Portfolio Yossi Peled proposed Israeli sanctions on the U.S. in a letter to cabinet ministers on Sunday.
"In the 11-page letter, obtained by the Jerusalem Post from a minister on Monday, Peled recommends steps Israel can take to compensate for the shift in American policy, which he believes has become hostile to Israel."
According to Peled, the Obama administration will eventually come to realize the error of its ways, but for now the U.S. president seems intent on exerting "intensive pressure to stop building in settlements, remove outposts, and advance the formation of a Palestinian state" – all steps previously agreed to by Israeli leaders, by the way, and now thrown in the trash bin by the far-Right nutballs who have captured the Israeli government.
"But in the interim," the Post reports, "the minister suggests reconsidering military and civilian purchases from the U.S., selling sensitive equipment that the Washington opposes distributing internationally, and allowing other countries that compete with the U.S. to get involved with the peace process and be given a foothold for their military forces and intelligence agencies."
The irony of someone "reconsidering military and civilian purchases" which are being made, or will be made, with our money is a real hoot – but the laughs are just starting!
There’s just one conceivable answer to the suggestion that Israel should start "selling sensitive equipment that Washington opposes distributing internationally": when did they ever stop? The Israelis have been stealing U.S. technology and selling it to the Chinese – for one example – for years, much to Washington’s chagrin. So does this mean they’re going to be doing it openly, instead of sneaking around and doing it on the sly?
As for the idea of giving "other countries that compete with the U.S." a military foothold – go for it, Yossi! I can hardly wait until the Venezuelan army arrives to guard the Wall of Separation. And no doubt the Chinese – grateful for all the high-tech weaponry you’ve stolen on their behalf – will be more than happy to guard the illegal settlements you’re building (with our tax dollars).
And although the French would be grateful, I’m sure, if the Israelis switched from Boeing to Airbus – as Peled suggests – they probably wouldn’t want to get involved militarily. The most you can expect is that they’ll displace Jerry Lewis from their national pantheon of comedic culture heroes and install this guy in his place.
Oh, but we haven’t even gotten to the best part of this "news from Bizarro World" item:
"In what may be his most controversial suggestion, Peled recommends intervening in American congressional races to weaken Obama and asking American Jewish donors not to contribute to Democratic congressional candidates. He predicted that this would result in Democratic candidates pressuring Obama to become more pro-Israel."
Israel intervene in U.S. politics – why, what a novel idea! If Peled hadn’t suggested it, it would never – ever – have occurred to me.
Okay, now that you’ve stopped laughing, just consider: look at all the pro-Israel money that has flowed into the coffers of U.S. congressional candidates, and you have to wonder – is it really enough? Surely the Israelis can afford to ship a few million of those billions we give them directly back to Washington. And, when you think about it, isn’t this a way for the Israelis to make up for their boycott of Boeing and other U.S. providers – by pumping extra millions into the U.S. economy, via the campaign chests of our elected officials? They don’t call it a "special relationship" for nothing.
The reality, of course, is that the Israelis and their American amen corner are already buying up U.S. politicians by the dozen – no, AIPAC doesn’t do it directly, they do it through a complex network of local and regional political action committees. As for the idea of Israel and its American friends exerting pressure on a U.S. official in exchange for under-the-table favors – like, say, intervening in an espionage case – well, it is absolutely unheard of…
Or is it?
You really can’t make this stuff up, and, what’s more, you don’t have to bother. Because the last two times the Israelis went in and slaughtered a few thousands of their neighbors, the U.S. Congress voted to hail them as heroes. When it become clear that our president wouldn’t be catering to the Israelis’ each and every whim, AIPAC circulated a letterdemanding that the White House not "pressure" Tel Aviv – and more than three-quarters of the U.S. Senate signed it, along with the vast majority of House members.
Congress is already "Israeli-occupied territory," as one wag famously put it, so Peled’s suggestion is redundant, to say the least. What I suggest, however, is that they start a campaign to impeach Obama, and, once they’ve succeeded, they should finance and run their own candidate for the White House. After all, look how they got rid of Cynthia McKinney and filled her seat with a suitable replacement.
Yes, the laughs just keep on coming:
"Peled called for the formation of a new body intended to influence American public opinion. The groups he suggests courting include Hispanic Americans and labor unions in industries that benefit from Israeli military acquisitions."
What a great idea: they can call the "new body" the "Elders of Zion" and put out a manifesto entitled – what else? – The Protocols. Then they can translate it into Spanish and pass it out at taco joints and factory gates (those that aren’t closed on account of the recession and the Israeli boycott of U.S. goods and services). Now there’s a winning strategy if ever I saw one!
Seriously, though, what gets me are the disingenuous responses to the Peled sanctions campaign from our pro-Israel lobbyists. "He’s right," said Shoshana Bryen, senior director for security policy at the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs, but maybe he shouldn’t talk so loud: "She warned that such expressions could ‘take on a life of their own,’" the Postreports, "and that some of Peled’s policy prescriptions could be less than helpful for the Jewish state."
Well, yes, Bryen does have a point: what if the U.S. suddenly stopped the $3 billion-plus in annual aid to the Jewish state? That might prove less than helpful, to be sure. And, even worse, the idea that our Israeli "allies" are faithless, spoiled, and have an unjustifiable sense of entitlement might take on a life of its own, so to speak – and help ensure that the aid cutoff is total, and permanent.
Not that this will ever happen, you understand, not even if the Israelis bombed Washington with those U.S.-bought- and-paid- for fighter jets. Smarties like Ira Forman are way ahead of Peled on this:
"Democratic political activists in Washington dismissed out of hand Peled’s suggestions, saying that such an approach would have little chance of influencing Congress’ posture on Israel. ‘It shows Yossi Peled is terribly uninformed about U.S. politics,’ said National Jewish Democratic Council Executive Director Ira Forman. ‘He doesn’t understand the politics of the American Jewish community. He doesn’t understand the politics of the Democratic Party.’"
In short, Peled doesn’t understand that the U.S. Congress has already been bought and sold by pro-Israel money – and that any more cash would be redundant. Peled also doesn’t understand that no one is supposed to talk about this, unless they’re an unsuccessful Democratic candidate for president who never had much of a chance anyway. Nothing is ever said, yet the quid pro quo is all-too-well understood. The Post reports Forman’s comment that "such efforts, if attempted, would neither shift congressional support away from Obama nor boomerang to hurt Israel’s backing on Capitol Hill," and I’d lay odds on it. Before any "boomerang effect" sets in, at least in the hallowed halls of Congress, the Israelis would have to set off a couple of nukes in major American cities – and even then, there would probably be a congressional resolution expressing undying support for the "special relationship" in spite of all that bothersome radioactivity.
Okay, we’ve all had our laugh for the day, a light moment that enables us to rise above the depressing everyday reality, but before we return to the mundane world of the distinctly non-amusing, let’s consider just who Yossi Peled is, and his place in the Israeli political landscape. Surely he’s some fire-breathing extremist, a Kahanist or a supporter of Avigdor Lieberman’s neo-fascist party – right? Wrong. According to the Jerusalem Post, he’s a "moderate," a relative "dove" who’s a Likudnik, albeit on the "left" flank of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s party. In which case, can you imagine what the real extremists are wont to do in response to Obama’s new policy?
For years, we’ve heard about how "pro-American" the Israelis are: why, they’re just like us – a democratic and inherently Western state that is embedded in an anti-American sea. Well, not anymore. Today, the Foreign Ministry of Israel is run by a man who could be compared, with much justification, to the failed painter from Vienna, or at least a Bizarro World Jewish version of the same. Israelis want to deport their Arabs, seize their land, and construct a "Greater Israel." What’s more, anti-Americanism is on the rise in Israel – as Peled’s comments suggest – and the most anti-American of them all appear to be those Israeli-American dual citizens who vote in U.S. elections and go to Israel regularly, where Max Blumenthal recentlycaptured their rabid anti-American sentiments on video.
What I want to know is this: when, oh, when will the American people wake up to the basic absurdity of the "special relationship" – and put an end to it, forever? Their president, it seems, is aware that our national interests are not served by this condition of mutual resentment and dependency. Now that Israel’s true face is showing, how long before all the public relations efforts in the world fail to mask the ugly reality? And the reality is this: Israel has been a burden, not a benefit, to the U.S. and its national interests abroad. By giving the Jewish state our unconditional support, we have, ironically, set ourselves up for some "blowback" from Israel’s direction – and it isn’t pretty, is it? |
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Obama Lynching Party
The Israel Lobby’s hatred of the president became a new secret taboo never to be spoken of, just silently acknowledged – like the Israel Lobby’s drive for the Iraq war and for a bombing of Iran.
[link to www.israelshamir.net] |
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Israel defense chief: Iran not an existential threat
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Berlusconi: best to exit Afghanistan soon
"We are all convinced it's best for everybody to get out soon," Berlusconi told reporters in Brussels. His comments were carried on Italian state TV.
[link to wire.antiwar.com] |
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Homeland Security's Michael Chertoff Gets Pounded With 9/11 Questions By C-SPAN Callers
9/11 | CSPAN | DHS | Michael Chertoff
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Oh, he's a pro
Watch how he manages to keep a straight face until a caller, who identifies himself as having 30 years in the military, mentions Able Danger. Just watch that smirk (at 4:59). Someone should tell him that just because you string words together it doesn't automatically make a meaningful sentence. I don't mean to be mean, but he really does look like the typical villain from any spy-thriller flick. |
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No need for qualification. He looks like a cross between Golem and Skelator. And his black heart is just as ugly. This man is one of many who will stand trial for the 911 coverup. |
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Remembering -- and forgetting -- 9/11
9/11 truth | media
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by Steven T. Jones
Do we really know the full truth about what happened on 9/11, the devastating attacks that occurred eight years ago today? Based on my research and assessment of the inquiries that followed that horrific event, I don’t think anyone can claim to know the full truth. But that hasn’t stopped conservatives and know-it-all pundits from demonizing and belittling skeptics of the official 9/11 theory in an aggressive fashion in recent weeks.
The most disturbing example was the truly scary right-wing propagandist Glenn Beck’s successful crusade against Van Jones, forcing his resignation from the Obama Administration mostly for having signed a letter calling for an investigation of whether the Bush Administration ignored warnings about the attacks and then used them to further their foreign policy goals.
Why is that suggestion so outrageous? As even the ludicrously narrow 9/11 Commission investigation (which Harper’s Magazine and other respectable voices dismissed as a whitewash) showed, top Bush officials were warned of impending al Qaeda attacks in the month before they occurred, they did nothing, and then used the attacks to launch their so-called “War on Terror,” even discussing invading Iraq (which wasn’t involved in 9/11) as the World Trade Center still smoldered.
That doesn’t mean that George W. Bush planned the attacks, or that there were controlled demolitions of the WTC towers and Building 7, or any of the theories that are so easy to mock. But isn’t it possible that they made a conscious decision to just stand down, take the hit (in whatever form that took), and use it as a pretext for their well-known plans to go on the offensive? Isn’t that a question worth exploring, if for no other reason than the historical record?
Local media also love to dismiss those who call for a more thorough investigation of 9/11. SF Weekly and the San Francisco Chronicle have recently taken shots at 9/11 skeptics, substituting certitude and name-calling for curiosity and intellectual honesty. I was even dragged into their crosshairs and shot up, even as they refused my advice to read my research into the matter. It’s just so much easier to dismiss and belittle than to investigate.
Listen, I understand that the 9/11 truth movement seems a little nutty, and I think some of their claims are pretty outrageous and many have been credibly disproven. But the conclusions that I arrived at in my Guardian cover story of more than four years ago still hold true today: the scariest thing about this movement is they may be right that more occurred than we know...
(See [link to www.sfbg.com] for the entire article with links).
I still remember the look of shock and horror that Steven T. Jones gave me when I mentioned the Oklahoma City bombing back in 2004 (He had never questioned, nor heard anything challenging the official story of the Oklahoma City bombing, either.) The SFBG took plenty of hits and stood up for the Truth Movement in the past couple of weeks, as well as substantially subsidizing the ads that the Northern California 9/11 Truth Alliance placed for the 5th annual 9/11 Film Festival which they publicly sponsored. I don't think Steven T. Jones has looked at the work of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, nor Steven E. Jones work. I did send the SFBG complementary tickets to the film festival, but I have no idea if any of them actually came; they haven't yet actually written about the latest research or films. |
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The way I see it you have just two choices
with regard to the official story for 911. 1) you are ignorant of the event and have never researched it at all
or 2) your part of the cover-up. Sorry but it really is that simple. Only an uninformed person or liar can support the official story. That's what I have been telling people in the past year. The evidence is overwhelming that the official story can't be true. For more than a decade I made a living researching the truth, ethically bound to be objective and substantiate my opinion etc. Surrounded by various people and organizations with different agendas, trying to sway my reports in one direction or another. Sometimes things were objectively within a range of possibilities or correctness. The official story of 911 is not like that and that's what I tell people. No one has made a mistake here, sad but true, our government is lying to me and you. Sorry about that folks and unless someone takes me or my family out in a boat showing me where the last guy who told the truth was put overboard etc, that's my story and I'm sticking with it. |
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Reality Check ?
I think Menachem Begin can clear things up for you.
"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." - Israeli prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset [Israeli Parliament] quoted by Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts," New Statesman, June 25, 1982 |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 774188
9/18/2009 5:59 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Authoritarianism is confused with patriotism
Thus one must simply accept the notion that high ranking officials always act in good faith. It doesn't matter if there isn't any proof this is so. It doesn't matter if there isn't any (reliable) proof that torture worked as claimed. If the political/media establishment says something is true then it is true. Period. Anything else is seditious, al Qaeda sympathizer conspiracy nonsense.
If 9/11 skeptics are so off base then why is there so much secrecy eight years later? Why are key MFR's on the NARA site still pending classification review? AFAIK, the 9/11 Commission turned their records over to NARA in '04. Yet the intelligence agencies are sitting on the records. What exactly do the intelligence agencies want hidden from the public? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 774188
9/18/2009 6:14 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Santa Barbara Independent cover story: "Engineers and Architects Argue About What Made the World Trade Center Fall"
There is a balanced article on 9/11 (as opposed to a hit piece) currently appearing in this week's (Sept17-24) Santa Barbara Independent, a free weekly with an audited readership of about 120,000. (Authors: Jay Levin and Tom McKenzie).
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One of the crucial technical disputes in American history, perhaps second only to global warming, is underway. It pits hundreds of government technicians who say the World Trade Center buildings were brought down by airplane impact against hundreds of professional architects and building engineers who insist that the Twin Towers could never have collapsed solely due to the planes and are calling for a new independent investigation. It is a fight that is not going away and is likely to get louder as more building trade professionals sign on to one side or the other.
Better than anyone, David Ray Griffin understands the “enormous importance” of Richard Gage, the Bay Area architect and staunch Republican who founded Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth (AE911 Truth). Griffin, the controversial retired Santa Barbara philosophy professor/theologian (Claremont School of Theology), is regarded as the leading investigative force within what is called the 9/11 Truth movement, with seven 9/11 books to his credit, including his bestseller The New Pearl Harbor. Although sometimes challenged (about accuracy), until Gage appeared, Griffin found his greatest stumbling block in public appearances to be this question: If his analysis was true — that two planes could not have brought down three World Trade Center (WTC) buildings without the aid of pre-planted explosives — why didn’t a single U.S. architect or building engineer publicly support him? Now, in three years, Gage has signed up 804 architects and structural engineers, some from top firms, who challenge the official version of the buildings’ collapses.
Notably, the FBI’s Counterterrorism Division has acknowledged that AE911’s core evidence deserves — and will get — FBI scrutiny. In a December 2008 letter, Assistant Director Michael J. Heimbach assessed AE911’s presentation as “backed by thorough research and analysis.”
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See the full story and comments online at [link to www.independent.com] |
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