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| Anonymous Coward
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9/20/2009 12:21 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Hey everybody... did you see that Sibel Edmonds signed the new 9/11 Truth Statement?
#8 Sibel Edmonds, Founder & Director-NSWBC, Formet FBI Language Specialist & Whistleblower, Publisher
[link to 123realchange.blogspot.com]
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
Submitted by Jon Gold |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 775067
9/20/2009 12:39 AM | | Anonymous Coward
User ID: 775067
9/20/2009 12:41 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Chertoff is Satan.
Satan is the accuser.
Chertoff is accusing 911 truthers of being holocaust deniers.
I think "the Father of all lies" fits nicely too. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 775067
9/20/2009 12:44 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Sibel "flipped" Brad...bigtime...
The Bradblog position used to be hard core against 9/11 being an inside job. However, I've never seen such a quick turn-around for a major public player as did Bradblog. Here's my instinct here...
When Brad interviewed Edmonds, I suggest that she gave him some inside 9/11 stuff that SHE is still holding back. Something that he-she didn't expose as of yet.
I also suggest that Edmonds has set up some..."If they kill me...read this"...types information releases. Truths that the HI PERPS are well aware of...indeed!
After all, these thugs planned the whole event and KNOW that such information is out there.
BTW...In my view, THIS is why the HI PERPS started detaining anybody that even looked arabic right after 9/11. The HI PERPS needed to clamp down the information flows about the involvement of the US military and Intel agencies.
And it worked...for a while.
PLEASE...let Sibel Edmonds manage her information releases...its HER stuff...and its HER LIFE.
We are making great progress so lets back off the "demands" of high profilers to do what we want them to do.
The better the foundation that WE build for whistleblowers...the more secure they will become.
The more we yap at such folks...the more reluctant thay will be to count on us for anything.
If Brad Friedman, who was so very publically opposed to even entertaing the "inside job" aspects of 9/11 has more or less publically "flipped"...he knows something that Edmonds knows about 9/11.
Its good to remember the size of the empire that we are exposing here...and who is running it!
Its like us telling Willie how he should run his concerts...AHHH...lets just NOT do this...lets do what we do best...get the 9/11 Truth message out there to the public by ourselves...
Lots of other folks will be lining up alongside with us pretty soon...if we keep a steady keel...
love, peace and progress...
Robin Hordon
Kingston, WA |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 775226
9/20/2009 1:40 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
San Francisco Bay Guardian Politics Blog
[link to www.sfbg.com]
by Steven T. Jones
Do we really know the full truth about what happened on 9/11, the devastating attacks that occurred eight years ago today? Based on my research and assessment of the inquiries that followed that horrific event, I don’t think anyone can claim to know the full truth. But that hasn’t stopped conservatives and know-it-all pundits from demonizing and belittling skeptics of the official 9/11 theory in an aggressive fashion in recent weeks.
The most disturbing example was the truly scary right-wing propagandist Glenn Beck’s successful crusade against Van Jones, forcing his resignation from the Obama Administration mostly for having signed a letter calling for an investigation of whether the Bush Administration ignored warnings about the attacks and then used them to further their foreign policy goals.
Why is that suggestion so outrageous? As even the ludicrously narrow 9/11 Commission investigation (which Harper’s Magazine and other respectable voices dismissed as a whitewash) showed, top Bush officials were warned of impending al Qaeda attacks in the month before they occurred, they did nothing, and then used the attacks to launch their so-called “War on Terror,” even discussing invading Iraq (which wasn’t involved in 9/11) as the World Trade Center still smoldered.
That doesn’t mean that George W. Bush planned the attacks, or that there were controlled demolitions of the WTC towers and Building 7, or any of the theories that are so easy to mock. But isn’t it possible that they made a conscious decision to just stand down, take the hit (in whatever form that took), and use it as a pretext for their well-known plans to go on the offensive? Isn’t that a question worth exploring, if for no other reason than the historical record?
Local media also love to dismiss those who call for a more thorough investigation of 9/11. SF Weekly and the San Francisco Chronicle have recently taken shots at 9/11 skeptics, substituting certitude and name-calling for curiosity and intellectual honesty. I was even dragged into their crosshairs and shot up, even as they refused my advice to read my research into the matter. It’s just so much easier to dismiss and belittle than to investigate.
Listen, I understand that the 9/11 truth movement seems a little nutty, and I think some of their claims are pretty outrageous and many have been credibly disproven. But the conclusions that I arrived at in my Guardian cover story of more than four years ago still hold true today: the scariest thing about this movement is they may be right that more occurred than we know...
(See [link to www.sfbg.com] for the entire article with links).
I still remember the look of shock and horror that Steven T. Jones gave me when I mentioned the Oklahoma City bombing back in 2004 (He had never questioned, nor heard anything challenging the official story of the Oklahoma City bombing, either.) The SFBG took plenty of hits and stood up for the Truth Movement in the past couple of weeks, as well as substantially subsidizing the ads that the Northern California 9/11 Truth Alliance placed for the 5th annual 9/11 Film Festival which they publicly sponsored. I don't think Steven T. Jones has looked at the work of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, nor Steven E. Jones work. I did send the SFBG complementary tickets to the film festival, but I have no idea if any of them actually came; they haven't yet actually written about the latest research or films. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 709604
9/20/2009 1:42 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
911 was an INSIDE JOB.
CFR/CIA/Trilateralists/Bilderberg Shadow Government did it. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 775226
9/20/2009 1:49 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
The way I see it you have just two choices
with regard to the official story for 911. 1) you are ignorant of the event and have never researched it at all
or 2) your part of the cover-up. Sorry but it really is that simple. Only an uninformed person or liar can support the official story. That's what I have been telling people in the past year. The evidence is overwhelming that the official story can't be true. For more than a decade I made a living researching the truth, ethically bound to be objective and substantiate my opinion etc. Surrounded by various people and organizations with different agendas, trying to sway my reports in one direction or another. Sometimes things were objectively within a range of possibilities or correctness. The official story of 911 is not like that and that's what I tell people. No one has made a mistake here, sad but true, our government is lying to me and you. Sorry about that folks and unless someone takes me or my family out in a boat showing me where the last guy who told the truth was put overboard etc, that's my story and I'm sticking with it. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 775226
9/20/2009 2:10 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Authoritarianism is confused with patriotism
Thus one must simply accept the notion that high ranking officials always act in good faith. It doesn't matter if there isn't any proof this is so. It doesn't matter if there isn't any (reliable) proof that torture worked as claimed. If the political/media establishment says something is true then it is true. Period. Anything else is seditious, al Qaeda sympathizer conspiracy nonsense.
If 9/11 skeptics are so off base then why is there so much secrecy eight years later? Why are key MFR's on the NARA site still pending classification review? AFAIK, the 9/11 Commission turned their records over to NARA in '04. Yet the intelligence agencies are sitting on the records. What exactly do the intelligence agencies want hidden from the public? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 775226
9/20/2009 2:16 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Quote:
Originally Posted by chumbels View Post
theres a book coming out this month from the head of the 911 commision saying it was bull... are they gonna call him a kook????? or maybe ignore him....people need to start being thrown in jail... no one ever gets caught.... enough..boycott everything. buy silver and give them the finger
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They're not worried, they'll let it slide a while until we start to forget, (fluoride?), then later start to close in on him for questioning or being a suspect, and then "oh my goodness, the little evil-doer committed suicide right before we got to him!".......or maybe a nice little airplane disaster......
P.S. I loved the part in the Kennedy assasination where the magic bullet just happened to be found on the gurney!
__________________
History is alway repeating itself, but each time the price goes up. (anonymous) |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 775226
9/20/2009 2:20 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
And what about the time machine? When is the government going to investigate the role that the time machine played on 9/11? Why was the time machine not even mentioned the final report?
Only by use of the time machine was it possible for THEM to go back in time, steal the passport from INSIDE the airplane, and then plant it on the sidewalk just before the sidewalk was searched.
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Hmmmmm. Time machine. Seems rediculous on the surface. Then again, upon reflection, it makes more sense that the offical version of 911. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 776677
9/21/2009 10:37 PM | | Anonymous Coward
User ID: 776677
9/21/2009 10:39 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Thursday, April 2, 2009
David Ray Griffin coming to Keene State College
Monday, September 29, 2008
Zero: An Investigation into 9/11
Dr. Bob Bowman, Keene, NH. July 3, 2008 |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 776677
9/21/2009 10:40 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Saw him
Kevin was at his best. He gave one of the most solid, scientific presentations I've seen. We are vey fortunate to have him on our side. The group in Keene is amazing. Kudos for all their hard work. Keene is like a "truther town." It's amazing. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 776677
9/21/2009 10:40 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Mr Ryan's on a roll!
Article published here: [link to www.keeneequinox.com]
I especially like this bit: “Even if someone sees the facts with a 30 percent open mind, there’s no controversy,” Casner said. “If seeking truth in an open society is controversial, then we’re controversial.”
9/11 Truth booklet PDFs: [link to www.mediafire.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 776677
9/21/2009 10:41 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
College hosts whistleblower
[link to www.keeneequinox.com]
College hosts whistleblower
By Brian Anderson Equinox Staff
Published: Friday, September 18, 2009
A controversial 9/11 conspiracy theorist asked Keene State College to reconsider the facts on Saturday, Sept. 12.
Speaking one day after the eighth anniversary of the events of Sept. 11, 2001, Kevin Ryan, a 9/11 whistleblower, spoke to a crowd of about 150 in the Alumni Recital Hall at the Redfern Arts Center.
Ryan, who has worked in chemistry labs for over 20 years, spoke on what he said is scientific proof that the fall of the Twin Towers in New York City was a controlled demolition.
Ryan worked for Underwriters Laboratories in 2004 when he wrote a letter to the National Institute of Standards and Technology questioning their conclusions based on the events of Sept. 11.
The letter became publicized on the Internet and led to Ryan’s eventual dismissal from the company. Ryan said he was inspired by Steven Jones, a former physicist professor at Bingham Youth University, to start doing presentations on information about Sept. 11. Jones was relieved of his teaching duties after giving lectures on Sept. 11.
“Jones immediately started doing presentations,” Ryan said. “He stood up in the middle of his town in Utah and that inspired me to publicly talk about this.”
Ryan’s evidence of controlled demolition sprang primarily from scientific data. Ryan argued the unlikeness of the Twin Towers collapsing because airplanes hit the buildings. He contends, rather, that explosives had been activated within the towers themselves.
“No other building exhibiting traits of controlled demolition has never not been controlled demolition,” Ryan said.
The event was sponsored by the Monadnock 9/11 Truth Alliance. Doors opened early so the public could view other materials, including posters, DVDs and presentations speculating the evidence on Sept. 11. Outside of the Arts Center the group hung a large sign that said, “If 9/11 doesn’t matter, what does?”
Member Mike Casner, who hosts a radio show called the 9/11 Truth Hour, said he joined the group four years ago after a friend suggested he look further at the evidence of Sept. 11.
“Little by little I came to the conclusion that we have been lied to,” Casner said. “No matter what aspect of the 9/11 myth I looked at it fell to pieces, even under the most superficial of examinations.”
Casner and Ryan both predicted the audience would be mostly receptive.
“Sometimes people come to these presentations with a negative reaction, but they see the methodical sequence of questions and answers,” Ryan said.
Ryan said a protest took place outside of one of his presentations at the University of Michigan, but had been met with little controversy elsewhere.
“Even if someone sees the facts with a 30 percent open mind, there’s no controversy,” Casner said. “If seeking truth in an open society is controversial, then we’re controversial.”
A question and answer session with Ryan was met with praise from most who attended. Only one member of the audience attacked Ryan’s view during the lengthy Q&A, asking how a conspiracy so vast could have gone undetected.
Sophomore Elis Grijalva, one of the few students in attendance at the event, heard about the event while passing by the Redfern Arts Center.
“I’m not going to lie, I was a little lost on the scientific parts,” Grijavla said.
Political Science professor Chuck Weed also had trouble with the science portion of the presentation.
“There was an awful lot of technical information, all well backed up and the people here seemed to have background in that,” Weed said. “But maybe there’s a better way to convince the American people of this.”
Despite a large turnout, very little in attendance consisted of KSC students, a fact detected by Weed.
“Do students not care? I don’t know,” Weed said. “More than anything I think the Saturday afternoon scheduling is why students didn’t turn up. It’s hard to have class on Friday afternoon, let alone get them to come on Saturday. It’s part of the culture here.”
Weed said that he encouraged students in his class to attend the event.
“I publicized it in my classes,” Weed said. “I told them this was relevant material to find out what’s happening in the world.”
Brian Anderson can be contacted at banderson@keeneequinox.com.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 776677
9/21/2009 10:44 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
They are from archive.org
Which does not provide the original files anymore, just lower quality streaming versions. Fortunately, Nate Flach (youtube.com/Xenormorph911) and Arie saved the majority of them. We are in the process of organizing and re-releasing them, expect a post on blogger in the next month or so about it. In the meantime, here's a few resources that were created from the original 9/11 footage:
Between the Lies (2009) - full length film: [link to 911blogger.com]
Pretext (2008) [link to s3.amazonaws.com] (433MB)
[link to ia341239.us.archive.org]
Su |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 776677
9/21/2009 10:47 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
WeAreChangeLA Confronts 9/11 Commissioner Richard Ben Veniste
9/11 Commissioner Richard Ben Vineste attends a book signing in Los Angeles, only to be confronted by WeAreChangeLA about his role in the treasonous cover-up of 9/11.
[link to www.youtube.com]
"wow that guy's not doing anymore book signings, not
in this town" that says it all ! Nice work as always WACLA, you've made my day.
WOW! That guy ain't gonna
WOW!
That guy ain't gonna leave his house anymore.
Stellar execution.
We have Founding Fathers material amongst us. Bless the righteous and all Patriots. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 776677
9/21/2009 10:47 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
that line
that line was from Paul Wittenberger, who also held one of the cameras, asked about Building7 inside, and edited the video.
With you in the struggle,
Bruno
WeAreChangeLA - [link to www.wacla.org] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 776677
9/21/2009 10:48 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
R. Ben-Veniste: "When you impinge on other people's rights..."
Interesting comment from Richard Ben-Veniste in this clip....
"I know you guys have an open mind about this. The more you find out, the more we'll all find out.
I respect your right, your First Amendment rights but......
when you impinge on other people's rights, then you are INTRUSIVE."
Does it not seem to be that citizens deserve to have the fullest account possible provided about 9/11 since 9/11 has been used for the pretext for war without end?
Does it seem that NOT having the fullest account possible IMPINGES on the rights of citizens who pay the salaries of what is purported to be a servant government? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 776677
9/21/2009 10:48 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Wow!
That was a class act, WACLA! Made my day too.
You can see the look of sheer guilt on Mr. Ben-Veniste's face.
I think the book store employees were torn between their job and secretly supporting WACLA and wanting the questioning to go on. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 776677
9/21/2009 10:49 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Nice work!!!
Beautiful!
The most severe form of learning disorders are owned by those that "already know everything." |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 776677
9/21/2009 10:50 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Notice how they don't call
you a holocaust denier in person. If Mr. Ben-Veniste played that card you could simply ask him if his fellow commissioners are holocaust deniers?
Or if the majority of New Yorkers are holocaust deniers? Or if scientists are holocaust deniers?
For it seems that a demand for a new investigation is the only qualifier based on Chertoff's logic. Guess that term if for the TV, not face-to-face. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 776677
9/21/2009 10:50 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Do you really expect
Do you really expect to get any truth out of this guy? He cracked under pressure and that's a good thing. He is a traitor, and I was happy to call him on that.
With you in the struggle,
Bruno
WeAreChangeLA - [link to www.wacla.org] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 776677
9/21/2009 10:51 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Plenty of time for Questions.
Ben Veniste has had plenty of time to answer questions when the 9/11's victim's families were asking them, he chose to not swim upstream or just didn't care. Max Cleland at least wasn't going to take part of the coverup, called it as such and quit. Do you see the difference between "Patriot Cleland" and "Traitor Veniste". Michael White |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 776677
9/21/2009 10:52 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
More questions, please
Confronting these people with the fact that large numbers of people know that treason is being covered up and they're complicit is good. I understand your anger, and it was cool seeing Ben-Veniste start to lose it- but know that when people who are unfamiliar with the evidence and the Commission's dissembling see this video, some are going to be put off by the hostility and accusations. Ben-Veniste mostly remained calm, and many of the questioners were calm and respectful as well.
Getting this guy- and any other insider- on video with their response (or lack of response) to unanswered questions, or questions about their role, etc. would be very helpful- you might get info, or possibly an incriminating statement. Doing a search of their names on [link to www.historycommons.org] will turn up a lot of ideas for questions.
Technically, WTC 7 was in the report; it was acknowledged the OEM was there- but there was no mention of it's collapse. Ben Veniste's answer as to why the collapse wasn't noted, was they left the structural analysis to (NIST)- lame. Would have been interesting to hear if he had seen video of it, and if he saw any similarities between it and video of controlled demolitions.
All that said, WACLA has guts and a good work ethic to be attending all these events and putting out these videos. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 776677
9/21/2009 11:30 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
What we've gotten for 8 years!
It's time for the hard questions be answered and being polite is not such a great avenue at this point. Fuck you very much,although with a smile is still.... well, you know. What are we up against? [link to www.youtube.com] Michael White |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 776677
9/21/2009 11:32 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Text book example of how to confront a criminal.
This is in my opinion WACLA's best effort so far. Well done. He was actually flustered and even faked outrage at one point when his participation in treason was addressed to him directly. Right after the "how dare you accuse me of treason" moment you could see it sinking in that he is not going to get away with it. You could see the fear on his face as the vision of his future criminal conspiracy trial ran quickly through his head. Scumbags like him should be afraid. May he be similarly confronted at each and every stop on his book tour. Good work. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 776677
9/21/2009 11:33 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
You guys are the BEST!
Keep up the PRESSURE! Keep up the AMAZING work! You're RELENTLESS and you're FEARLESS! Godspeed.
LOVED the woman who said, "I'm not with these guys," and then started in on him so sweetly. She got another 2-3 minutes with him as well as asking more questions and making more statements. Ha!
It's a riot to see how all the different people who are confronted react. You know, BV said that the accusation of his committing treason was bullshit. It occurred to me that, like Cheney, he really may not believe it is. According to their skewed and twisted worldview/logic, they may honestly view what they did and are doing as the ultimate in patriotism.
THANK_YOU!!!! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 701482
9/21/2009 11:34 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
kinda.... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 776677
9/21/2009 11:35 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Very telling. He disclosed his weak point was the treason
charge. Maybe he should be reminded that treason is a capital offense. Maybe ask him if he preferred lethal injection to hanging. Or if he had dreams of the hundreds of thousand innocent women and children that have been brutally murdered based on his lies.
You know....once having found what pushes him towards the cracking point, bore in on that. Getting a "Col. Jessup moment" of him completely losing it doesn't seem that far fetched and would, just like in "A Few Good Men", certify his guilt.
Did he actually put his hands on that guy? Obviously he was on the edge of doing something really stupid.
I know from similar post WAC-attack comment sections I leave myself open to a charge along the lines of, "if you have so many great ideas why don't you get a camera and do your own".....and all I can say is damn, that's a great question. Looking for a few comrades in the Baltimore area.
Was that his wife? Would it be totally out of line to ask her a few border line rude questions like "How does it feel when hands drenched in blood touch you?" That would probably light the fuse. Would that be too much?
I am not far from washington and am currently unemployed(hopefully not much longer) and would appreciate feedback on my proposed strategies. Too far/damaging to the cause? I am ready to get out there and mix it up, been sitting on sidelines WAY too long.
I do not lack for balls/moxie/courage but have limited tech skills, no video camera and no posse....yet.
Anyone in Balt.-DC area have what i need and need what i have?
Thanks WAC, you guys are incredibly inspiring. |
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