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| Aaron
User ID: 123527
3/26/2007 10:50 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Just did a quick tally
Yes 68 Know reality
No 8 Paid stooges or braindead
Don't know 3 still asleep Quoting: Anonymous Coward 212416
damn straight.. i would say not seeing the 'big picture' more or less as apposed to being brain dead though.
think for yourself, question authority.. - Dr. Timothy Leary ... Life!.. it's just a ride! - Bill Hicks
The possession of anything begins in the mind - Bruce Lee
The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious.... - ALBERT EINSTEIN
~ * ~
opposing zealousness at roots ultimately suffer
Though our 'creators'(..'in our image' - Genesis) may have given us life. Bighting the hand that feeds you has never been such a wise phrase.
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
| Artist FKA HiRisque
User ID: 133693
3/26/2007 10:54 PM
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So far as 911 the inside goes, there were many who knew before me. The five Israelis, dressed as Arabs, were set up with cameras and film rollling, and they filmed the first plane striking the first tower. They deserved to be giving each other high fives. Dick chainey knew before me, because he ordered the US airforce to stay grounded half an hour before the first plane hit it's target. So in relative terms, i was a bit slow. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 212416
A flim.
By watching this film you can tell they are Israelis dressed up as Arabs with any certainty? How do you know that?
Could it not be Arabs made to appear to be Jews dressed up like Arabs? Could it not be Arab disinfo to confuse the blame.
My take on this is that you are probably one of the people that were disappointed in how the elections turned out and would take any opportunity to debrade the administration no matter how thin or deluded the theory.
If you really analyze the chain of events and the timeline of the events concerning the takeoff of fighter planes, the actual time to takeoff was on par with the incident involving the Golfer and his Learjet. There is nothing to the Cheney/standown BS. |
| DanG
User ID: 205167
3/26/2007 10:54 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
 
SHR
Grizzled Old Goat
PACNWguy
Duncan Kunz
That Dolby guy
Sigma
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| Artist FKA HiRisque
User ID: 133693
3/26/2007 10:58 PM
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I said YES therefor i MUST be a certified wacko!
Well that's progress! Admitting you have a problem is one of the first steps of recovery.
PACNguy clone? GOG? 
I've been at this forum for years as HiRisque, I am unique.
Thanks for the compliment though. |
| Sigma
User ID: 199460
3/26/2007 11:14 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
No. Only Muslims, Germans, and other anti-American idiots want you to believe it was an inside job. Quoting: HK 214718
I truly hope someday the Anonymous Coward special needs class gets off their computer and quits listening to their chat room friends and realizes what you said here. Oh, and before you say it - I cant STAND Bush
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| Artist FKA HiRisque
User ID: 133693
3/26/2007 11:17 PM
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I cant STAND Bush Quoting: Sigma
Oh, friggen NO!
I love you anyway! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 201341
3/26/2007 11:24 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| TodB NLI
User ID: 214767
3/26/2007 11:34 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
YES.
The 'inside job' gets even more interesting when you consider that the MSM is also an integral part of the propagation of the "Official Story", so the cover-up actually extends well beyond just the Government.
Find out why that is, and you'll get closer to the truth. |
| The Salt
User ID: 192276
3/26/2007 11:35 PM
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DUH!
"We are the music makers and we are the dreamers of the dream."
"People often tell me motivation doesn't last. I tell them bathing doesn't either. That's why I recommend it daily!"-Zig Zigler
We are here on Earth to do good to others. What the others are here for, I don't know.- W. H. Auden
"If the only prayer you said in your whole life was, 'thank you,' that would suffice."--Meister Eckhart |
| ac
User ID: 78573
3/26/2007 11:50 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Yes, for those who have done the research. |
| Starless (redux) 
grand poobah
User ID: 35823
3/26/2007 11:52 PM
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what is the current tally? |
| Sigma
User ID: 199460
3/26/2007 11:53 PM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
I cant STAND Bush
Oh, friggen NO!
I love you anyway! Quoting: Artist FKA HiRisque
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| Interdimensional warrior
User ID: 213149
3/27/2007 12:01 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
73 yes- 84% (has remained a rather consistent 83% throughout the polling.]
9 no- 10%
4 uncertain- 5%
ALL open forums post similar results. |
| Starless (redux)
grand poobah
User ID: 35823
3/27/2007 12:03 AM
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This poll should be conducted on the Home&Garden forum
i wonder.... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 160399
3/27/2007 12:04 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
No. Only Muslims, Germans, and other anti-American idiots want you to believe it was an inside job.
I truly hope someday the Anonymous Coward special needs class gets off their computer and quits listening to their chat room friends and realizes what you said here. Oh, and before you say it - I cant STAND Bush Quoting: Sigma
Simgma, Are all these unpatriotic?
Senior Military, Intelligence, Law Enforcement,
and Government Officials Question
the 9/11 Commission Report
[link to patriotsquestion911.com] |
| IDW
User ID: 213149
3/27/2007 12:05 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Now ask yourself how many of the 9 who voted "no" really believe what they claim they do.
The truth is practically everyone knows 911 was inside and done at Israels' whim.( I think no one is more convinced 911 was inside than the 9 who voted "no")
So let's get a Constitutional government re enstated and go after our real enemies. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 211558
3/27/2007 12:09 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Yes.
By the way Sigma, Duhbyuh had nothing to do with the planning. He was barely able to follow the script of what he was supposed to say part of the time. |
| IDW
User ID: 213149
3/27/2007 12:10 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
This poll should be conducted on the Home&Garden forum
i wonder.... Quoting: Starless (redux)
You would get similar results.
But you would also come under organized atatck, just like here.
I've ran this same poll at various times on a wide variety of forums, from physics to hockey and they all turned out with similar results AT ANY GIVEN TIME.
It is interesting to note that my first poll on sept 11,2001 on this very forum had 6% agreeing with me and 80% wanting to kill me, with the same four guys apparently undecided!
The point is, every day that has gone by, more people have came to understand what I did on that day of infamy |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 188752
3/27/2007 12:10 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
It is as likely as the fact that you will never truly know. |
| Aaron
User ID: 123527
3/27/2007 12:11 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
k.. lets talk about who ordered the stand down of NORAD..  Please someone, inform me..
think for yourself, question authority.. - Dr. Timothy Leary ... Life!.. it's just a ride! - Bill Hicks
The possession of anything begins in the mind - Bruce Lee
The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious.... - ALBERT EINSTEIN
~ * ~
opposing zealousness at roots ultimately suffer
Though our 'creators'(..'in our image' - Genesis) may have given us life. Bighting the hand that feeds you has never been such a wise phrase.
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 106002
3/27/2007 12:11 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
No |
| IDW
User ID: 213149
3/27/2007 12:14 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
k.. lets talk about who ordered the stand down of NORAD.. Please someone, inform me..
That would be that fatassed evil prevert that shot his lawyer, Dick Cheney.
If a ever a man had a more appropriate nickname, I don't know of him.
Cheney screwed us all. |
| Artist FKA HiRisque
User ID: 133693
3/27/2007 12:15 AM
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Now ask yourself how many of the 9 who voted "no" really believe what they claim they do.
The truth is practically everyone knows 911 was inside and done at Israels' whim.( I think no one is more convinced 911 was inside than the 9 who voted "no")
So let's get a Constitutional government re enstated and go after our real enemies. Quoting: IDW 213149
No, I've stated in many threads on the subject exactly what my thoughts are on the subject. You are deluded gullible fools that believe in psuedo-science. I'm a builder, I've worked with steel. I've investigated various aspects of the collapse extensively.
You on the other hand are a well known delusional bigot. Your brain apparently just doesn't have the capability of perceiving reality. |
| Aaron
User ID: 123527
3/27/2007 12:17 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
k.. lets talk about who ordered the stand down of NORAD.. Please someone, inform me..
That would be that fatassed evil prevert that shot his lawyer, Dick Cheney.
If a ever a man had a more appropriate nickname, I don't know of him.
Cheney screwed us all.
you have just won the 75,000 dollar prize!! now... onward..
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Don't know about you, but all this who-knew-what-when pre-9/11 stuff is mighty confusing. So once again, I head to that all-purpose reference series for some comprehensible answers.
Q. I've heard all these reports about the government knowing weeks and months in advance of 9/11 that airliners were going to be hijacked and flown into buildings, and yet the Bush Administration apparently did nothing and denied they did anything wrong. They claimed the fault lay in the intelligence agencies "not connecting the dots," or that it was the "FBI culture" that failed. Can you explain?
A. Most of the "it's-the-fault-of-the-system" spin is designed to deflect attention from the real situation. Bush and his spokesmen may well be correct in saying they had no idea as to the specifics -- they may not have known the exact details of the attacks -- but it is more and more apparent that they knew a great deal more than they're letting on, including the possible targets.
Q. You're not just going leave that hanging out there, are you? Just bash Bush with no evidence to back it up?
A. There's no need to bash anybody. There is more than enough documentation to establish that the Bush Administration was fully aware that a major attack was coming from Al-Qaeda, by air, aimed at symbolic structures on the U.S. mainland, and that among mentioned targets were the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, the White House, the Congress, Statue of Liberty. (According to Richard Clarke, the White House's National Coordinator for Anti-Terrorism, the intelligence community was convinced ten weeks before 9/11 that an Al-Qaeda attack on U.S. soil was imminent.)
Q. If they knew in advance that the, or at least an, attack was coming, why did the Bush Administration do nothing to prepare the country in advance: get photos of suspected terrorists out to airlines, have fighter jets put on emergency-standby status or even in the air as deterrents, get word out to the border police to stop these "watch-list" terrorists, put surface-to-air missiles around the White House and Pentagon, etc.?
A. The explanation preferred by the government is to admit, eight months late, to absolute and horrendous incompetence, up and down the line (although Bush&Co., surprise!, prefer to focus the blame lower down, letting the FBI be the fall guy). But let's try an alternate explanation. Think about it for a moment. If their key goal was to mobilize the country behind the Bush Administration, get their political/business agenda through, have a reason to move unilaterally around the globe, and defang the Democrats and other critics at home -- what better way to do all that than to have Bush be the take-charge leader after a diabolic "sneak attack"?
Q. You're suggesting the ultimate cynical stratagem, purely for political ends. I can't believe that Bush and his cronies are that venal. Isn't it possible that the whole intelligence apparatus just blew it?
A. Possible, but not bloody likely. There certainly is enough blame to spread around, but the evidence indicates that Bush and his closest aides knew that bin Laden was planning a direct attack on the U.S. Mainland -- using airplanes headed for those icon targets -- and, in order to get the country to move in the direction he wanted, he kept silent.
Q. But if that's true, what you've described is utterly indefensible, putting policy ahead of American citizens' lives.
A. Now are you beginning to understand why Bush&Co. are fighting so tenaciously against a blue-ribbon commission of inquiry, and why Bush and Cheney went to Congressional leaders and asked them not to investigate the pre-9/11 period? Now do you understand why they are trying so desperately to keep everything secret, tightly locked up in the White House, only letting drips and drabs get out when there is no other way to avoid Congressional subpoenas or court-ordered disclosures? They know that if one thread of the cover-up unravels, more of their darkest secrets will follow.
Q. You're sounding like a conspiracy nut.
A. For years, we've avoided thinking in those terms, because so many so-called "conspiracies" exist only in someone's fevered imagination. Plus, to think along these lines in this case is depressing, suggesting that American democracy can be so easily manipulated and distorted by a cabal of the greedy and power-hungry. But I'm afraid that's where the evidence leads.
think for yourself, question authority.. - Dr. Timothy Leary ... Life!.. it's just a ride! - Bill Hicks
The possession of anything begins in the mind - Bruce Lee
The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious.... - ALBERT EINSTEIN
~ * ~
opposing zealousness at roots ultimately suffer
Though our 'creators'(..'in our image' - Genesis) may have given us life. Bighting the hand that feeds you has never been such a wise phrase.
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
| Aaron
User ID: 123527
3/27/2007 12:17 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Q. You mean there's proof of Bush complicity in 9/11 locked up in the White House?
A. We wouldn't use the term complicity. So far as we now know, Bush did not order or otherwise arrange for Al-Qaeda's attacks on September 11. But once the attacks happened, the plans Bush&Co. already had drawn up for taking advantage of the tragedy were implemented. A frightened, terrorist-obsessed nation did not realize they'd been the object of another assault, this time by those occupying the White House.
Q. This is startling, and revolting. But I refuse to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon until I see some proof. Bush says he first heard about a "lone" pre-9/11 warning on August 6, and that it was vague and dealt with possible attacks outside the U.S. Why can't we believe him? After all, the FBI and CIA are notorious for their incompetence and bungling. You got a better version that makes sense, I'd love to hear it.
A. Bush and his spinners want us to concentrate on who knew what detail when; it's the old magician's trick of getting you to look elsewhere while he's doing his prestidigitation. We're not talking about a little clue here and another little clue there, or an FBI memo that wasn't shared. We're talking about long-range planning and analysis of what strategic-intelligence agencies and high-level commissions and geopolitical thinkers around the globe -- including those inside the U.S. -- saw for years before 9/11 as likely scenarios in an age of terrorist attacks.
The conclusion about Al-Qaeda, stated again and again for years by government analysts, was basically: "They're coming, by air. Get prepared. They're well-organized, determined, and technically adept. And they want to hit big targets, well-known symbols of America." (There was a 1999 U.S. government study, for example, that pointed out that Al-Qaeda suicide-bombers wanted to crash aircraft into a number of significant Washington targets; during the 199 5 trial of Ramsi Yousef, the mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, he revealed plans to dive-bomb a plane into CIA headquarters, and earlier he had told FBI agents that the list was expanded to include the Pentagon and other D.C. targets.)
Elements in the FBI, all over the country, who suspected what was coming, were clamoring, begging, for more agents to be used for counter-terrorism investigations, but were turned down by Attorney General Ashcroft; Ashcroft also gave counter-terrorism short shrift in his budget plans, not even placing anti-terrorism on his priority list; John O'Neill, the FBI's NYC antiterrorism director, resigned, asserting that his attempts at full-scale investigating were being thwarted by higher-ups; someone in the FBI, perhaps on orders of someone higher-up, made sure that the local FBI investigation in Minneapolis of Zacaria Moussauoi was compromised. All this while Ashcroft was shredding the Constitution in his martial law-like desire to amass information, and continues even now to further expand his police-state powers.
think for yourself, question authority.. - Dr. Timothy Leary ... Life!.. it's just a ride! - Bill Hicks
The possession of anything begins in the mind - Bruce Lee
The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious.... - ALBERT EINSTEIN
~ * ~
opposing zealousness at roots ultimately suffer
Though our 'creators'(..'in our image' - Genesis) may have given us life. Bighting the hand that feeds you has never been such a wise phrase.
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
| Aaron
User ID: 123527
3/27/2007 12:18 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
(Note: An FBI agent has filed official complaints over the bureau's interfering with antiterrorism investigations; his lawyers include David Schippers, who worked for the GOP side in the Clinton impeachment effort; Schippers says the agent knew in May 2001 that "an attack on lower Manhattan was imminent." A former FBI official said: "I don't buy the idea that we didn't know what was coming...Within 24 hours [of the attack], the Bureau had about 20 people identified, and photos were sent out to the news media. Obviously this information was available in the files and someone was sitting on it.")
One can accept the usual incompetency in intelligence collection and analysis from, say, an anti-terrorist desk officer at the FBI, but not from the highest levels of national defense and intelligence in and around the President, where his spokesman, in a bald-faced lie, told the world that the 9/11 attacks came with "no warning." More recently, National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, in a quavering voice, tried to characterize the many warnings as mere "chatter," and concerned attacks "outside the U.S." But the many warning-reports focused on terrorist attacks both inside and outside the United States; the August 6th briefing dealt with planned attacks IN the United States.
Not only were there clear warnings from allies abroad, but the U.S., through its ECHELON and other electronic-intercept programs, may well have broken bin Laden's encryption code; for example, the U.S. knew that he told his mother on September 9: "In two days you're going to hear big news, and you're not going to hear from me for a while".
And, the word of an impending attack was getting out: put options (hedges that a stock's price is going to fall) in enormous quantities were being bought on United Airlines and American Airlines stock, the two carriers of the hijackers, as early as September 7; San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown was warned by "an airport security man" on September 10 to rethink his flight to New York for the next day; Newsweek reported that on September 10, "a group of top Pentagon officials suddenly canceled travel plans for the next morning, apparently because of security concerns"; many members of a Bronx mosque were also warned to stay out of lower Manhattan on September 11, etc. etc.
Q. You're giving me intriguing bits and pieces. Can't you tie it all together and make it make sense?
A. OK, you asked for it, so we're going to provide you with a kind of shorthand scenario of what may well have gone down, a kind of narrative that attempts to tie a lot of disparate-seeming events together. There is voluminous, multi-sourced evidence that establishes this scenario. It's scary, so prepare yourself.
We believe that the HardRight began serious planning for a 2000 electoral victory -- and then implementation of a HardRight agenda, and the destruction of a liberal opposition -- a year or two after Clinton's 1996 victory. (The impeachment of Clinton was a key ingredient to sully Democrat opposition.) The GOP HardRight leaders decided early to select George W. Bush, a none-too-bright and easily malleable young man with the right name and pedigree. They ran into a speed-bump when John McCain began to take off in the public imagination, and so with dirty tricks they wrecked his campaign in the South and elsewhere, and continued on their merry course.
For a while, they fully expected an easy victory over dull Al Gore, tainted goods for a lot of conservative Republicans and others because of his association with Clinton, but, given the obvious limitations of their candidate, they weren't going to take a lot of chances. In Florida, for example, where it looked as if the race might be tight, they early on arranged things -- through Bush's governor-brother Jeb, and the Bush campaign's Katherine Harris, Florida's Secretary of State -- so that George W. couldn't lose. An example: removing tens of thousands of eligible African-American voters from the rolls.
think for yourself, question authority.. - Dr. Timothy Leary ... Life!.. it's just a ride! - Bill Hicks
The possession of anything begins in the mind - Bruce Lee
The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious.... - ALBERT EINSTEIN
~ * ~
opposing zealousness at roots ultimately suffer
Though our 'creators'(..'in our image' - Genesis) may have given us life. Bighting the hand that feeds you has never been such a wise phrase.
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
| Aaron
User ID: 123527
3/27/2007 12:18 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
As it turned out, Gore won the popular vote by more than a half-million votes nationwide, and, we now know, would have won Florida's popular vote had all the ballots been counted, but the U.S. Supreme Court HardRight majority, despite its longtime support for states' rights, in a bit of ethical contortionism did a philosophical reverse in midair and ordered the Florida vote-counting to stop and declared Bush the winner, installing a President rather than letting the people decide for themselves.
Q. That's ancient history. I'm interested in 9/11, not tearing at an old scab.
A. OK. We're merely trying to indicate that the HardRight's campaign to take power was not an overnight, post-9/11 whim but worked out long in advance. After so many near-chances to take total control, they would do anything to guarantee a presidential victory this time around -- which would give them full control over the reins of power: Legislature (where HardRightists dominated the House and Senate), the Courts (where the HardRight dominated the U.S. Supreme Court and many appellate courts), and the Executive branch, not to mention the HardRight media control they exerted in so many areas.
They had followed the news, they knew that the Al-Qaeda terrorist network was engaged in a maniacal jihad against America, and was quite capable -- as they had demonstrated on many occasions, from Saudia Arabia to East Africa to the first attempt on the World Trade Center -- of carrying out their threats. They also knew, from innumerable intelligence reports from telecommunications intercepts, and from various commissions, CIA and foreign agents that Al-Qaeda liked to blow up symbolic icon structures of countries targeted, and that Al-Qaeda, and its affiliates, had an affinity for trying to use airplanes as psychological or actual weapons. (The French had foiled one such attack in 1994, where a hijacked commercial airliner would be flown into the Eiffel Tower.)
By early 2001 and into the Summer, warnings were pouring in to U.S. intelligence and military agencies from Jordan, Morocco, Egypt, Tunisia, Israel, and other Middle East and South Asian intelligence sources, along with Russia and Britain and the Philippines, saying that a major attack on the U.S. Mainland was in the works, involving the use of airplanes as weapons of mass destruction.
Indeed, in June and July of 2001, the alerts started to be explicit that air attacks were about to go down in the U.S.; even local FBI offices in Phoenix and Minneapolis began passing warnings up the line about Middle Eastern men acting suspiciously at flight schools. In July, Ashcroft stopped flying on commercial airliners and traveled only by private plane, and Bush, after but a few months in office, announced he was going to ground, spending the month of August on his ranch in Crawford, Texas. Cheney disappeared from view, and our guess is that he was coordinating the overall, post-attack strategy.
think for yourself, question authority.. - Dr. Timothy Leary ... Life!.. it's just a ride! - Bill Hicks
The possession of anything begins in the mind - Bruce Lee
The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious.... - ALBERT EINSTEIN
~ * ~
opposing zealousness at roots ultimately suffer
Though our 'creators'(..'in our image' - Genesis) may have given us life. Bighting the hand that feeds you has never been such a wise phrase.
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
| Aaron
User ID: 123527
3/27/2007 12:18 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Under this scenario, in mid-Summer 2001, Bush&Co. decided this was it. Bin Laden unknowingly was going to deliver them the gift of terrorism, and they were going to run with it as far and as fast and as hard as they could. The various post-attack scenarios had been worked out, the so-called USA Patriot Act -- which contained various police-state eviscerations of the Constitution -- was polished and prepared for a rush-job (with no hearings) through a post-attack Congress, the war plans against the Taliban in Afghanistan were readied and rolled out, the air-base countries around Afghanistan were brought onboard, and so on. All during the Summer of 2001.
Q. I don't understand how war against Afghanistan could have been anticipated so early.
A. Follow the money. Various oil/gas/energy companies had wanted a Central Asian pipeline to run through Afghanistan (costing much less to build, but also so it wouldn't have to go through Russia or Iran); that project was put on hold during the chaos in Afghanistan, but when the Taliban took over and brought stability to that country, the U.S. began negotiating with the Taliban about the pipeline deal. Even after sending them, via the United Nations, $43 million dollars for "poppy-seed eradication," and inviting them to talks in Texas, the Taliban began to balk. At a later meeting, the U.S. negotiator threatened them with an attack unless they handed over bin Laden and reportedly told them, in reference to the pipeline, that they could accept "a carpet of gold" or be buried in "a carpet of bombs." (The later U.S. Government spin was that the bin Laden issue and the pipeline issues were separate, and that the U.S. threats didn't mix the two and there were misunderstandings of what was said.) Shortly thereafter, bin Laden, hiding out in Afghanistan, initiated the September 11th attacks, and the U.S. bombing of that country began. Oh, by the way, in case you haven't noticed, under the new U.S.-friendly government in Kabul, the pipeline project is back on track. Oh, by the way, the pipeline will terminate reasonably close to the power plant in India built by Enron that has been lying dormant for years, waiting for cheap energy supplies.
Q. You're saying that U.S. war and foreign policy have been dictated by greed?
A. Among other pleasant motivations, such as hunger for domination and control, domestically and around the globe -- which always ties in with greed. That's why Bush&Co. play such political and military hardball. That's why the arrogant, take-no-prisoners, in-your-face attitude, to bully and frighten potential opponents into silence and acquiescence, even questioning their patriotism if they demur or raise embarrassing issues.
Q. But this is a democracy, people are still speaking their minds, right?
A. Certainly, there are areas of America's democratic republic that have not yet been shut down. But where there should be a vibrant opposition party, raising all sorts of questions about Bush Administration policy and plans, America receives mostly silence and timidity. However, as more and more of the ugly truth begins to emerge -- and Enron, Anthrax, and pre-9/11 knowledge are just the tips of the iceberg -- the Democrats (and moderate Republicans) are beginning to feel a bit more emboldened. But just a bit, preferring to run for cover whenever Bush&Co. accuse them of being unpatriotic when they raise pointed questions.
think for yourself, question authority.. - Dr. Timothy Leary ... Life!.. it's just a ride! - Bill Hicks
The possession of anything begins in the mind - Bruce Lee
The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious.... - ALBERT EINSTEIN
~ * ~
opposing zealousness at roots ultimately suffer
Though our 'creators'(..'in our image' - Genesis) may have given us life. Bighting the hand that feeds you has never been such a wise phrase.
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
| Aaron
User ID: 123527
3/27/2007 12:18 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Q. You're so critical and negative about the Bush Administration. Can't you say anything good about what they're doing?
A. Yes. They have moved terrorism -- the new face of warfare in our time -- front and center into the world's consciousness, and have mobilized a global coalition against it. They may be making mistakes, which could lead to horrifying consequences, or acting at times out of impure motives, but at least the issue is out there and being debated and acted upon.
Now, having said that, we must point out that the institutions in this country -- the Constitution, the courts, the legislative bodies, civil liberties, the Bill of Rights, the press, etc. -- are in as much danger as they've ever been in. And the U.S.'s bullying attitude abroad may well lead to disastrous consequences for America down the line.
Q. So, what's to be done?
A. The most important thing at the moment -- even, or especially when, the inevitable next terrorist attack occurs -- is to break the illusion of Bush&Co. invulnerability. The best way to do that, aside from ratcheting up the Enron and Anthrax and 9/11 investigations (and it may turn out that those scandals are deeply intertwined), is to defeat GOP candidates in the upcoming November elections. If the Democrats hang on to the Senate and can take over the House, the dream of unchallengable HardRight power will be broken. Bush&Co. will become even more desperate, overt, nasty, and in their arrogance and bullying ways, will make more mistakes and alienate more citizens. The edifice will begin to crumble even more; there will be more and deeper Congressional and media investigations; resignations and/or impeachments (of both Bush & Cheney, and Ashcroft) may well follow.
Q. You're asking me to support ALL Democrats, even though in a particular race a moderate GOP conservative would be better?
A. Yes. In some cases, you may have to hold your nose and send money to, canvass for, and vote for a Democrat; we can get rid of the bad ones later. The objective right now -- for the future of the Constitution, and for the lives of our soldiers in uniform and civilians around the globe -- has to be to break the momentum of the HardRight by taking the House and keeping the Senate from returning to GOP control. Doing so would be even more important than what happened when that courageous senator from Vermont, Jim Jeffords, appalled by the HardRight nastiness and greed-agenda of the Bush folks, resigned from the GOP and turned the Senate agenda over to the Democrats.
Q. And you think if the GOP gets its nose bloodied in the November election, that will convince Bush to resign or lead to his impeachment? I don't get that.
A. Churchill once told the Brits during World War II that "this is not the beginning of the end, but it is the beginning of the beginning of the end." There is a lot of hard work and organizing and educating to be done, but the recent exposure of Bush coverup-lies about pre-9/11 knowledge is "the beginning of the beginning of the end." With a GOP defeat in November, Democrats will be emboldened to speak up more, investigate deeper, and those inquiries will unlock even more awful secrets of this greed-and-powerhungry administration. And that will be the beginning of the end -- and the beginning of the beginning of a new era of more humane values for America and the rest of the world.
think for yourself, question authority.. - Dr. Timothy Leary ... Life!.. it's just a ride! - Bill Hicks
The possession of anything begins in the mind - Bruce Lee
The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious.... - ALBERT EINSTEIN
~ * ~
opposing zealousness at roots ultimately suffer
Though our 'creators'(..'in our image' - Genesis) may have given us life. Bighting the hand that feeds you has never been such a wise phrase.
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 206294
3/27/2007 12:21 AM | | Re: POLL-was 911 an inside job (yes or no only please] | Quote |
Mother - NO
Father - Yes
Sister - Yes
Sister - Yes
Me - Yes
Husband - Yes
twin adult daughters yes-yes
cousin - yes |
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