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Your Last Ever Supermarket Shopping Spree

 
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OK here's the scene. Early one weekend morning your wife/girlfriend is driving you home, totally spaced out after a good all nighter. Suddenly the hard rock band is replaced by what sounds like amateur night on GLP radio, with excited talk of massive artillery bombardments and surprise infantry attacks throughout the Middle East. You switch it off because it is so obviously stupid fucking college kids messing around with their dads ham radio equipment, trying to wind people up. Half a minute later, to your surprise the silly bitch suddenly pulls into a gas station and announces that she is going to top up the tank, even though you still have a 1/4 tank of gas left, which will comfortably last you until next pay-day. Obviously she got suckered in by that stupid radio hoax. You mutter something about H.G. Wells and the War of the Worlds radio show, but you know from experience that there is no arguing with her when she gets one of her sudden whims, so you leave it at that. With the last of her money she sensibly buys a hotdog and cup of coffee and helps herself to five or six hundred of those little packets of creamer, sugar, ketchup and other stuff.

While she's in there powdering her *%@#& nose a massive hairy biker type suddenly thrusts his head and fist in through the passenger window and threatens to make interesting sculptural rearrangements to your face if you don't move your shittey little Ford Fiesta from in front of the gas pump…pronto. Fortunately for you she gets back in time to rescue you from your predicament, even if the @*&#% selfish bitch only bought a cup of coffee and a hotdog for herself. You look back as she exits the gas station and to your surprise there is chaos behind you. A couple of homies in a low rider slipped into your just vacated space, before the hairy biker type could move his SUV and he's breaking out his riot gun, while they are searching under the seats for their handguns. There's about a dozen other vehicles behind them and some ding-dong in a big truck is pushing an old ladies Cadillac away from a pump on the other island. The gas line in the Cadillac gets stuck, stretches, then breaks, spilling fuel all over the place and the scene gets cut off by a bend in the road, just as it was starting to get interesting.

Reality quickly sets in and you frantically start hopping from station to station on the radio. While she gets all snotty with you and tells you that, "you would know all this if you weren't always going round in a #*&%@ drugged out coma". Then she cruelly twists the knife in the wound by saying that you acted like a useless wimp in front of that hairy biker type. A few hundred yards ahead you idly notice that the local budget priced supermarket is just opening up for the day and already there is a line forming in front of the ATM. "Not that it matters because all of our cards are maxed out anyway", you think gloomily.

But Alleluia! Glory Be! You suddenly realise that here is your chance to redeem yourself in the eyes of your better half. Because you still have that $300 (£150 UK) in your wallet that you definitely promised to give to your landlord, to pay off some of your rent arrears…because he never turned up before you both left the house early yesterday evening!

The next time that you visit a supermarket you will either run the risk of being shot as a looter. Or have to make your way past pimply faced youths in National Guard uniforms, on the one day a week that you have been allocated to do your rationed weekly shopping. So what are you going to do. Lay in a pile of cheap booze n' chips n' dip to Surf the Apocalypse? Or use this last chance that you will ever get, to stock up wisely?
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What would you buy and do? Well I can't think of everything, but these are some of the things that spring to mind…

Water - I'd say that it's more important than food, do you have a reasonably clean bathtub at home that can be filled up. If not a couple of rolls of good quality black bin liners are a must because at a pinch you can store water in them, but don't overfill.

Salt - Get a least a five pound or two-kilo bag. You will be glad later that you did.

Disinfectant - Toilet waste and other germs will be a big problem if the system breaks down, so several big bottles of disinfectant and bleach will help to protect your health.

Tea - Forget coffee it will become a rare luxury in the times ahead. Well OK one big jar if you absolutely must. But get at least five or six 4oz or 125-gram packets of strong black tea (not fancy herbal teas), loose leaf if available, otherwise tea bags will have to do. In hard times past, people often dried out the leafs and used them twice or thrice. Then sprinkled some fresh tea leafs and some black woody stuff amongst them and passed it off as either new or only used once. And you can't do that with a jar of instant coffee can you!

Sugar - Stored properly it practically lasts forever. Twenty pounds or ten kilos at least per person. You should be prestocking sugar anyway.

Rice - Big bags of cheap rice will go a long way to stilling rumbling tummies in the hard months ahead. The thing is that it tastes very bland so don't forget to get several big bottles of cheap hot sauce.

Hard candy - Soft sweets taste great, but the problem is that they only stay in your mouth for a deliciously short time. Hard candies last sooooo much longer.

Locking gas cap - If you don’t have one then get one.

Empty food packaging - Hungry people will be going through dustbins not only for scraps of food, but in some cases to take note of which homes might be worth raiding because they seem to be eating well. Please, don't use someone else's bin. Nor the apartment complexes communal dumpster, because people might be keeping an eye on it throughout the day and will know which apartment the waste you dumped came from.
Get rid of it somewhere else.

Plastic shopping and produce bags - Grab em while you still can.

Cooking smells - Check out how well your extraction fan works and be aware that you might have desperate people knocking at your front door, begging for a bite to eat.

Young Children - Like everyone else they are going to have to get used to a radically different diet, or die! The trouble is that some of them will likely do just that. Children have quite often refused to eat "strange" foods and starved themselves to death during famines in the past. Try your best not to make major changes to their diet for the first week or so if you can manage it. Life will be quite scary enough for them as it is, with dead bodies in the street, riots and all the other bad things going on. But you will have to start easing them onto a new diet after that. Try bribery with a piece of toffee "For good boys and girls who…" Save stuff like ketchup, sugar and normal foods for them as much as you can. If you are reluctant to stockpile foodstuffs now, then think of your responsibility for them.

Family survival planning - If your extended family are anything like my extended family, then forget it. Otherwise now would be a good time to start making some arrangements.

Family discipline - I still remember the first page of a 1950's sci-fi novel, even if I've forgotten its name. The family where coming home after a weekend camping trip in the mountains, when an atomic bomb exploded over their town in the far distance. The father immediately started to give his family instructions on what to do. When his son on the back seat started to answer him back, he stopped the car, turned around and fetched him an almighty slap on the face in front of his astonished wife and daughter. Then told him. "From now on when I give you an order, you do it".

Potty training - No more pampers, no more paper products, ain't life gonna be fun! Save what you have for soft little bottoms, but for the rest of you I'm afraid that you will have to start getting used to the phone book and old newspaper. Ever wondered why young boys where often dressed in skirts in times past, well now you know.

Meat - A few packs of bacon if you must. But generally speaking 50 or so cans of cheap tuna fish is the best value for money that you will get and it stores well. Afterwards you might want to go dog hunting, they will not be around for long anyway, so you might as well get some while you can. I've never tried it, but I hear that it makes a most delicious stew. A few slices of bread and a visit to the local duck pond might turn out to be a profitable trip if you get there first. And who knows, there might be the odd pony, sheep or cow wondering around, but just make sure that the owner doesn’t see you.

Cheap cooking oil - Er, you really should be stockpiling this stuff. At least five gallons or twenty litres, some good quality olive oil would be nice as well. Which tastes better bland potatoes or rice, or the same foods cooked in a bit of oil?

Soap and detergents - You know you will desperately need them and they store well. They are another thing that you really should be stockpiling.

Keep your mouth shut - and make sure that your children know to do so as well.

Hiding and moving food - Plastic shopping bags scream out to the world that there is food in them. Boxes with toys or household stuff on top don't. A problem is that if your home gets raided (and it could be by an armed gang) you can bet on it that they will know to look under the floorboards, in the attic and all the other usual hiding places. Here is a little game that you can play that might pay good dividends later. Get six cans of baked beans and six of other stuff. Wrap them up well in six packets with plastic bags and a bin liner to protect them from the weather, then go to waste land or other suitable places within walking distance or a bike trip (no gas remember) and hide them well. Make a little map with measurements to aid your memory and forget about it for a year (I personally don't think you will have that much time, but let that pass.), then go back a year later. I'm willing to bet that, provided that a developer hasn't bulldozed the place in the meantime, that you will find the tins and that they will be in good condition. Aside from making sure that others don't see you doing it, your main problem is dogs or other animals smelling that you buried something for a week or so until your smells fade away. Fool em by washing your hands in unscented soap, scratching about in a few dozen other places and burying stones or wood that you have handled. I have not tried it but perhaps a spray bottle of disinfectant and another of WD40 or whatever, around the hiding places and the general area might mess up the smell scene as far as the local animals are concerned. The point of this little game is for you to prove to yourself that you can successfully hide food outside your property.

Neighbourhood watch - Yeah I know you probably feel as excited about this subject as I do. But 'ya gotta do what ya gotta do'.

Tobacco - Even if you don't smoke, tobacco will become better than gold when hard times hit, ask someone who lived through WWII if you don't believe me. If you live in the UK then organise a booze n' baccy trip to France. In America then a trip to Nevada or some other state where it is cheap.

Stock up now - I really have no sympathy whatsoever for people who can afford a late model car, nice holidays, expensive clothes and other goodies, yet cannot be bothered to spend $500 or more on a good stock of basics. And not really very much sympathy for the rest of you either, because if you put your mind to it you can easily save $15 or $20 (£7 to £10 UK) most weeks to start building up your families stockpile NOW.

Eye Salve -
Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and [that] the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.


In the end all that a decent stockpile can do is to help you get through those first few months when thousands of people will be dying all around you. If you still refuse to acknowledge that there is a God whom is called Jesus Christ who created you, then you will believe the lies of the Devil instead and become lost beyond all hope of salvation when you take his mark and worship him. You really do need a decent bible that you can rely on and in the English language only the Authorised King James version will do. They can be hard to find now a days. But try asking around at hotels and motels, they might still have a few of the bibles that are distributed by the Gideons in their storeroom and can let you have one at a reasonable price.
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That's sorta doomy 19.47. You think we're on the threshold?
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Shadow,

Yeah,kinda pretty close right now I'd say.
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I'm on the fence over total economic collapse, whether it's housing bubble or unaffordable war. Many analysts predict a depression to make the '30s look like a picnic, others say the bull market can only get better, the economy's never been better, unemployment lower. Based on this, I've invested in 2 items I think will be vital in the case of the former and are relatively cheap today, namely iodized salt and toilet paper. And in the case of the latter, aimed for no debt and adequate dispensible income if opportunity knocks.
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Stay off coke...

Be ready in advance. When that signal comes...start emergency plan A...

Don't have one?....GET ONE!

...or stay out of the way of people that DO!!
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Shadow,

"iodized salt and toilet paper."

Well OK thats a start, but I really think that you should be looking to get a few other things as well.
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It's coming pretty soon, massive famine...get to your nearest groceries and max out your credit cards, water and can foods!
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The Last Mall Lyrics
Artist: Steely Dan

Attention all shoppers
It's Cancellation Day
Yes the Big Adios
Is just a few hours away

It's last call
To do your shopping
At the last mall

You'll need the tools for survival
And the medicine for the blues
The sweet treats and surprises
For the little buckaroos

It's last call
To do your shopping
At the last mall

We've got a sweetheart Sunset Special
And all of the standard stuff
'Cause in the morning, that gospel morning
You'll have to do for yourself when the going gets tough

Roll your cart back up the aisle
Kiss the checkout girls goodbye
Ride the ramp to the freeway
Beneath the blood orange sky

It's last call
To do your shopping
At the last mall
WE'RE BACK!! We provide the ideal cubicle..

11:11
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Shadow,

"iodized salt and toilet paper."

Well OK thats a start, but I really think that you should be looking to get a few other things as well.
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I have. ;)
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I concur with 19.47...

Bad things are coming much sooner than you think. Please be prepared.
I am what you think I am.
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Who cares what that bitch thinks, she needs to listen to smarter people...
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but if it's THAT bad, then what use is it, if an armed gang is going to rob you?
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Shadow,

Good, I had a feeling that you where just joking with me.
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Good list. I'd probably add flint to it. Fire is essential for warmth or boiling water, etc...
I will accept any rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. ~ Robert Heinlein
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217887,

"then what use is it, if an armed gang is going to rob you?"

Read the bit about hiding food off your property. Besides if you have some kind of neighbourhood protection group you may be able to avoid the worst of the troubles. I hope!
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but if it's THAT bad, then what use is it, if an armed gang is going to rob you?
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Have a plan. You can't survive alone, you will need a community of people just like yourselves. Personally, I have quietly discovered 9 neighbors who are doing exactly what I am doing. We have a pact to work together and we have a list of people we will allow into our new community with very few exceptions. Everybody has to have a role, for example one neighborhood home is a home for two Doctors. They have agreed to stockpile and control medicines and medical supplies. Another neighbor has a well so he does the water. Several other are stocking up on food or arms etc... the point is you have to work together.
I am what you think I am.
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Oh, and extra shoes - light, but protective (not sandals).

And rubbing alchohol. Candles. And a Whistle.
I will accept any rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. ~ Robert Heinlein
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Shadow,

"iodized salt and toilet paper."

Well OK thats a start, but I really think that you should be looking to get a few other things as well.


I have. ;)
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Hey shadow...n 19.47

Folks MUST feel the need to be ready before they will buy one extra bag o' rice or an extra container of salt...

...and they don't. My best suggestion?...

Instead of having these wasted, traditional, and symbolic, ceremonies/holidays like X-mas, easter, thisday and thatday...

HAVE A NATIONAL CAMPING PREPAREDNESS DAY!!

Everyone likes to get ready for camping and usually goes overboard with an abundance of things they would never use in a single weekend!

Just a Thought,

Ishtahota
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Ishta... BIG kiss how are you darlin? I've missed you.

Historically, it's the societies that possessed salt that survived and evolved.

Everyone likes to get ready for camping and usually goes overboard with an abundance of things they would never use in a single weekend!

Just a Thought,

Ishtahota
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That's so true. I've gone camping with a hatchet, a lighter, a blanket, a tarp, peanut butter and packet of crackers.
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but if it's THAT bad, then what use is it, if an armed gang is going to rob you?



Have a plan. You can't survive alone, you will need a community of people just like yourselves. Personally, I have quietly discovered 9 neighbors who are doing exactly what I am doing. We have a pact to work together and we have a list of people we will allow into our new community with very few exceptions. Everybody has to have a role, for example one neighborhood home is a home for two Doctors. They have agreed to stockpile and control medicines and medical supplies. Another neighbor has a well so he does the water. Several other are stocking up on food or arms etc... the point is you have to work together.
 Quoting: taoist rebel



Of course this is the way to do it but...


...PLEASE DON'T KEEP TELLING "THEM" WHAT YOU HAVE OR DON"T HAVE!!!

YO WILL BE THE FIRST TO BE OBSERVED!!!

give advice, help with ideas...BUT STOP TELLING EVERYONE WHAT YOU HAVE AND DON'T HAVE!!!

PLEASE
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Ishta... BIG kiss how are you darlin? I've missed you.

Historically, it's the societies that possessed salt that survived and evolved.
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hf Big hugs Shadow...always here!...been at 'other' (watering holes) if you will but I'm still in the GLP 10 step therapy course with all of the other lunatics ;)

Ish
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but if it's THAT bad, then what use is it, if an armed gang is going to rob you?



Have a plan. You can't survive alone, you will need a community of people just like yourselves. Personally, I have quietly discovered 9 neighbors who are doing exactly what I am doing. We have a pact to work together and we have a list of people we will allow into our new community with very few exceptions. Everybody has to have a role, for example one neighborhood home is a home for two Doctors. They have agreed to stockpile and control medicines and medical supplies. Another neighbor has a well so he does the water. Several other are stocking up on food or arms etc... the point is you have to work together.
 Quoting: taoist rebel


Oh man, I wish you were my neighbor. I live in a neighborhood of people who still thinks this the 80's and the world is fine.
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You have to trust the people you tell. I've known these people for years and I trust them. It's not like I or they went around and started asking about being prepared. Over the years certain little indications would come out in conversations. I understand it will be a time where nobody can be trusted but I feel like I can trust these selected people.

You're going to want to work with the neighborhood dogs. I train them. I have two PP trained large breed dogs and another one on the way. I have also been working with six other neighborhood dogs. Gangs can come around but they will hesitate what/who to shoot first when you have 9-10 snarling dogs staring you down with several dogs owners ready to shoot at a moment's hesitation.

I'd be happy to post dog training tips if you want them. One of my dogs volunteers for the local enforcement agency as a SAR dog.

but if it's THAT bad, then what use is it, if an armed gang is going to rob you?



Have a plan. You can't survive alone, you will need a community of people just like yourselves. Personally, I have quietly discovered 9 neighbors who are doing exactly what I am doing. We have a pact to work together and we have a list of people we will allow into our new community with very few exceptions. Everybody has to have a role, for example one neighborhood home is a home for two Doctors. They have agreed to stockpile and control medicines and medical supplies. Another neighbor has a well so he does the water. Several other are stocking up on food or arms etc... the point is you have to work together.



Of course this is the way to do it but...


...PLEASE DON'T KEEP TELLING "THEM" WHAT YOU HAVE OR DON"T HAVE!!!

YO WILL BE THE FIRST TO BE OBSERVED!!!

give advice, help with ideas...BUT STOP TELLING EVERYONE WHAT YOU HAVE AND DON'T HAVE!!!

PLEASE
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I am what you think I am.
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You have to trust the people you tell. I've known these people for years and I trust them. It's not like I or they went around and started asking about being prepared. Over the years certain little indications would come out in conversations. I understand it will be a time where nobody can be trusted but I feel like I can trust these selected people.

You're going to want to work with the neighborhood dogs. I train them. I have two PP trained large breed dogs and another one on the way. I have also been working with six other neighborhood dogs. Gangs can come around but they will hesitate what/who to shoot first when you have 9-10 snarling dogs staring you down with several dogs owners ready to shoot at a moment's hesitation.

I'd be happy to post dog training tips if you want them. One of my dogs volunteers for the local enforcement agency as a SAR dog.




but if it's THAT bad, then what use is it, if an armed gang is going to rob you?



Have a plan. You can't survive alone, you will need a community of people just like yourselves. Personally, I have quietly discovered 9 neighbors who are doing exactly what I am doing. We have a pact to work together and we have a list of people we will allow into our new community with very few exceptions. Everybody has to have a role, for example one neighborhood home is a home for two Doctors. They have agreed to stockpile and control medicines and medical supplies. Another neighbor has a well so he does the water. Several other are stocking up on food or arms etc... the point is you have to work together.



Of course this is the way to do it but...


...PLEASE DON'T KEEP TELLING "THEM" WHAT YOU HAVE OR DON"T HAVE!!!

YO WILL BE THE FIRST TO BE OBSERVED!!!

give advice, help with ideas...BUT STOP TELLING EVERYONE WHAT YOU HAVE AND DON'T HAVE!!!

PLEASE

 Quoting: taoist rebel

Please understand...you are doing EXACTLY the right thing..

I mean no offense. It is the 'lurkers' here that I was referring to. I believe that there is a "watch list" and then there is a "watch list"...

...I support your preparation ideas fully.

..and I have a wolf that I would LOVE a little extra training ideas for.

Ish.
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117656,

"Folks MUST feel the need to be ready before they will buy one extra bag o' rice or an extra container of salt..."

That is exactly the problem. Thats why in my example I used a typical example of a GLPer who thought that everything was OK, but gave him a lucky break.
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I'm training my wife by taking her to the Glastonbury Festival, it's like being in a 3rd world refugee camp but with great music.
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The bottled water will only last so long. Pick up a case of bleach so you can purify it.
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Please understand...you are doing EXACTLY the right thing..

I mean no offense. It is the 'lurkers' here that I was referring to. I believe that there is a "watch list" and then there is a "watch list"...

...I support your preparation ideas fully.

..and I have a wolf that I would LOVE a little extra training ideas for.

Ish.
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Thanks...
1/2 or 3/4 or full wolf? Wolves are hard be they are independant and very drivey...

What do you want it to do? Tracking? Bite? Defense? No offense but wolves are a great deterent but they aren't great for protection or defense. How old is your dog? What have you been doing with it?

With my dogs, NO means YES. If you have a dog out in the field and your dog comes to defend you, almost all dogs are so conditioned to the word NO any attacker can get a non-trained dog to back down by yelling NO. But if NO means yes, all the attacker is doing is telling the dog to do what it is doing. Get it?

My dogs are trained in different languages. I have two adult Rotts, one responds only to Vietnamese and the other understand French, I'm training the pup in Russian. Why those languages? Most americans don't know them and I wanted to learn them. Pick a non-english language that you enjoy.

Theoretically, my dogs should be able to do two or three things at once. If they are all trained in the same language then I have less control. of course I have a certain single commands that all of my trained dogs know.

Leave it means leave it and all of my dogs understand that in english. If I'm will all of them and they come across a dead animal I don't have time to issue three or four command in several languages. Just use common sense.

Also read:
Schutzhund training in drive
Culture Clash

Obedience is more important than anything else. Be smart and never give a reason for you dog to distrust you. I'm never harsh with my dogs and I have never hit them.
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04/02/2007 12:27 PM
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117656,

"Folks MUST feel the need to be ready before they will buy one extra bag o' rice or an extra container of salt..."

That is exactly the problem. Thats why in my example I used a typical example of a GLPer who thought that everything was OK, but gave him a lucky break.
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Of all people, GLP'ers should AT LEAST be more aware..so you would think...

I tend to find that ,as par for course, that the paranoid folks here are just that...paranoid-stay-at-home-peep-through-the-curtains types that, altho aware, are very introverted.



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Luin Thallion asked RE: Wolf..

...She is 82% Wolf (as per vet). Her mother (albino timber) was found as an abandon pup in Fl. and bred with a friends 3/4 hybrid. You are right, she IS a great deterrent, and wonderful with my children....very dominate with ANY animal but KNOWS her place in our 'Family'(Wolves tend to try to climb the alpha ladder)...

...She is VERY smart but it takes repetitiveness, constantly, for her to learn or desire to learn....

...I would like to train her in obedience and protection...
...she is already a great 'Hunter and Gather'...she will bring chickens 'n rabbits to my porch and wait for me to acknowledge her with praise.

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04/02/2007 12:32 PM
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what have you done to train your wolf now? I can't train protection over the internet and it's not something you can do by yourself. You have to work with a couple of people. My dog never bites me and you need to have help in a bite suit. Work on strict obedience first and then find a PP trainer or club. Wolves are not good protection dogs - no offense. Traching it to resource guard would be much easier and more useful for this breed.
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