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Have You Sold Your Soul For Rock and Roll? Is your music inspired by Aleister Crowley, New Age Religion and Lucifer? Is your music leading you on a

 
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can imagine you at book burnings...disc burnings.
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pastor schimmel appears to use the same music to spread his words...yet calls those who use music to have an affect on people as propaganda...and propagandists...so what is he? and what is he doing?
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I am NOT a phil s fan, i dislike him severely, but he was not a failure at all, he holds a record of some kind for having produced the MOST hits of anyone according to that book....You miss the point of mind programming...the kids are not bad due to the music but the programming in the music and remember its now in its 2nd or 3rd generation of producing mind/moral warped kids. My daughter works with the juvenile criminal system as a def atty and did a short experiment for me. 99% of the kids involved listened alot or extensively to heavy metal.
Speaking of mind programming, or brainwashing, I often wonder about what all poor sen. Mc caine endured...solotaire anyone.?
 Quoting: Indian Elder 221299

did your daughter first separate those who came from fatherless homes? what effect did that have on the kids?

did your daughter first separate those who came from violent homes? what effect did that have on the kids?

did your daughter first separate those kids who had been sexually abused? what effect did that have on the kids?

did your daughter first separate those who had been tortured by failure in school? what effect did that have on the kids?

unless your daughter did all of these things...that have a greater effect on children...the experiment is false.

must be more like thousands of generations as each generation has their own music...am sure even david in the bible had "his music" vs king sauls music??
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Op, thanks so much for posting those videos! Just watched the first, and really want to see the rest soon. There is truth there that most don't want to see. But isn't that how it is in this world? Most are blinded by satan and don't want to see the truth. Thanks for having the courage to post these, knowing the kind of rocks that would be thrown at you for doing so. God Bless!
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Even though I could have predicted the responses here, I myself do question if there is a problem in all this.I think of how music has influenced my life, how memories of a certain song are tied to certain times of my life, and I begin to wonder--do I really want my emotions influenced by those of a total stranger who may or may not be intentionally manipulating me?


You're claiming that a musician's work is manipulating you? I think most musicians enjoy it when people enjoy their work. I guess I never get used to some of the ignorance displayed by the religious community...I'll bet you go to church and let some snake at the pulpit influence your every emotion down to your soul, yet I don't hear complaints about that. Personally, I enjoy music that brings back memories because they're usually good ones. I agree that the quality of music has dropped below sea level in the last 10 years, but I can't believe the primitive, fear-mongering pettiness of you religious people...
 Quoting: Mickey Martian


I agree

To the OP

Has music EVER MADE you do anything

If so dont assume we all have weak minds like you

If not then what makes other people weak and susceptible to manipulation in music but somehow it doesnt affect you?

People are going to do what they want to and I have no doubt that negative people are attracted to negative music from all genres.

I guess we should ban all music to protect the weak
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Did you watch the videos HeidiLore?
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I tried. I couldn't get past the dude with the tacky haircut.
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:trek2:

MUCH MORE than a strong stomach is required to watch the videos submitted by the Original Poster, Anonymous Coward 90848.

Running times are, respectively, 58 minutes, 58 minutes, 28 minutes, and 28 minutes.

Those TIME ALLOCATIONS are, to say the least, beyond that which most sane people would find reasonable in the 21st Century.

It's quite EASY TO SEE WHY the Original Poster prefers to remain an 'ANONYMOUS COWARD.'

Had I begun a thread of like kind or nature, I TOO would find my actions -- AND the subject matter itself -- overwhelmingly shameful.

ANONYMOUS COWARD 90848 knows that her or his own 'MORAL DENSITY' is showing.

With regards to the videos proffered by Anonymous Coward 90848, . . . the ideal repository would be the 'BONZO ARCHIVE.':BonzoArc:


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To the OP

Has music EVER MADE you do anything

If so dont assume we all have weak minds like you

If not then what makes other people weak and susceptible to manipulation in music but somehow it doesnt affect you?

People are going to do what they want to and I have no doubt that negative people are attracted to negative music from all genres.

I guess we should ban all music to protect the weak
 Quoting: So What I Smoke Weed



I am not advocating "banning" anything.

I am very much for free speech and the free expression of ideas.

What I do hope is that people will start to question where their music comes from.

People should recognize that much of this music is from the same source with the same message and with the same agenda.

After watching even the first part of this series, will anyone deny that the source for much of this music is darkness?

My hope is that once people see the truth that they will make better choices.
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I did watch and listen to most of the first video, and it went.....blah de blah de blah

it it was meant to get hold of people who listen to the devils music, then it has to be more ATTENTION GETTING than the devils music.

all it done for me was operate my 'switch off button'

and what is Aleistar Crowley to with it any way, he died before the devils music was popular. Poor man he must turn in his grave every time he gets blamed for something....... with laughing. wtf
so this is it!!!!!!
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I think most of that stuff is a crock.

I started playing rock-'n'roll in garage bands (which we didn't call "garage bands") when I was fourteen; that's 48 years ago. With almost no breaks, I've been playing and/or giving guitar lessons since then, even doing it full time for four years (and starving).

There's always been raunchy stuff; some of you old pharts may even remember Link Wray, whose instrumentals were banned because they were too "nasty".

Whatever.

I play bluegrass now, and about a quarter or a third of bluegrass is gospel, so we do that in our shows, too.

And that doesn't make us any more or less "holy"!

Blaming music for crazy activities of an adult is a copout; if you're a kid who's easily swayed by some of the garbage out there, then it's up to the parents to close the lid on it. When my son was 14-16, he was big into rap. I vetted all his CDs; I told him there'd be no referring to women as "hos" or bitches" in my house.

Blaming music for behavior is like blaming Big Macs for heart attacks; it's the people eating that crap (or listening to it) who are to blame.
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Isn't Satan just a label for everything you reject, fear, hate, loathe, repress, whatever?
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"they say"...it's always "they say" isn't it?

couldn't be someone could practice day and night for six to eights months...nope...he had to "sell his soul to play like that"...course...and of course "they can't confirm he actually did sell his soul..."it's that type of music that created the sex and body touching and mary jane use...of course...of course.

he had a fear of satan...didn't have anything to do with his upbringing...(robert johnson)did it? of course if anyone creates songs dealing with a story...makes it all real?

this is silly.
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I guess so, I wasn't really using it anyway.
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NEW AGE MUSIC.... define new age music.....thats about love and light and stuff..... wtf rant

Sorry still reading the title.
so this is it!!!!!!
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I did watch and listen to most of the first video, and it went.....blah de blah de blah

it it was meant to get hold of people who listen to the devils music, then it has to be more ATTENTION GETTING than the devils music.

all it done for me was operate my 'switch off button'

and what is Aleistar Crowley to with it any way, he died before the devils music was popular. Poor man he must turn in his grave every time he gets blamed for something....... with laughing. wtf
 Quoting: magicfairy


I stopped listening when the dude started judging people as being hard of heart and saying that nothing that was said could be change how the judged person felt.

The only thing that made me naucious was the bad judgements.

Also, Aleister Crowley was not a satanist or luciferian. He was an alchemist with a very sick and twisted sarcastic sense of humor.

And trying to interpret Neil Young's Hey hey, my my song into something having to do with the devil was pretty sad also.
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1956-religion attacked rock-diabolic elvis presley...gyrating pelvis...but the women watched it...and admitted watching his gyrating pelvis.

hyer cannot say the word higher...censorship.
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To be fair, here's a link to a page renouncing not only the aforementioned genres, but classical as well. . .

[link to www.libertygospeltracts.com]

Not that I'm in agreement. I'll be keeping all my Yes and Rush records, thank you.
Please pray for me: I used to be a Good Christian™, until I got a hold of some kind of fruity "love" bullshit and decided I need to be less harsh on people.
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Even though I could have predicted the responses here, I myself do question if there is a problem in all this.I think of how music has influenced my life, how memories of a certain song are tied to certain times of my life, and I begin to wonder--do I really want my emotions influenced by those of a total stranger who may or may not be intentionally manipulating me?


You're claiming that a musician's work is manipulating you? I think most musicians enjoy it when people enjoy their work. I guess I never get used to some of the ignorance displayed by the religious community...I'll bet you go to church and let some snake at the pulpit influence your every emotion down to your soul, yet I don't hear complaints about that. Personally, I enjoy music that brings back memories because they're usually good ones. I agree that the quality of music has dropped below sea level in the last 10 years, but I can't believe the primitive, fear-mongering pettiness of you religious people...
 Quoting: Mickey Martian

What is sadder than that is the knee jerk response of you non religious people.WHERE in the above post is religion referenced? It is not referenced at all, except in your knee jerk imagination.
Any of you into music who would even try to claim that it has no emotional influence are simply being dishonest.
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Even though I could have predicted the responses here, I myself do question if there is a problem in all this.I think of how music has influenced my life, how memories of a certain song are tied to certain times of my life, and I begin to wonder--do I really want my emotions influenced by those of a total stranger who may or may not be intentionally manipulating me?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 136331

You can say exaxctly the same thing about any of the worlds religous texts. Do you personally know the author(s). No. so they are strangers and if you believe in which evr religion you are allowing others to influence and mold you..NO?
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These videos are more frightening than any horror movie I have ever seen.

After seeing this some people have had nightmares for days.

It is REALLY strong stuff.

But if you are ready to look right into the darkness and see it for what it is......then this will hit you like a ton of bricks.

This is not for anyone with a weak stomach.
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BOTTOM LINE : By way of reply to the Original Poster (Anonymous Coward 90848), . . . I'll simply say :
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In the ‘Update Your Information’ section, MY ‘Country’ is NOT on the available list of selections. That is because I have NONE.

Perhaps ‘Countries’ -- like ‘Friends’ and ‘Home’ and ‘Family’ and ‘Community’ -- are only another in a long list of FICTIONS.

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"I think most of that stuff is a crock."
I think your post is one of the very most dishonest posts I have ever read on GLP, and that's saying something.If you have been into music as long as you say, and I do believe that part, then you KNOW it has a very strong emotional influence, and all the naysaying you can do won't get around that inconvenient truth.
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Even though I could have predicted the responses here, I myself do question if there is a problem in all this.I think of how music has influenced my life, how memories of a certain song are tied to certain times of my life, and I begin to wonder--do I really want my emotions influenced by those of a total stranger who may or may not be intentionally manipulating me?

You can say exaxctly the same thing about any of the worlds religous texts. Do you personally know the author(s). No. so they are strangers and if you believe in which evr religion you are allowing others to influence and mold you..NO?
 Quoting: Dr Dre 5755

That you would even attempt to deflect the truth of this thread by resorting to religion proves you don't want to deal with the truth.You want to change the subject, because you know it is the truth.
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music comes from the heart and kids relate to it...and the beat...that "evil beat"...isn't that why there's "christian rock"?? or isn't that an oxymoron in this case? if all rock is "evil" and from "satan" then how can there be "christian" in front of it?

maybe people should look at changing why kids relate to the music they do?? it's not all sinister either.
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I am not advocating "banning" anything.

I am very much for free speech and the free expression of ideas.

What I do hope is that people will start to question where their music comes from.

People should recognize that much of this music is from the same source with the same message and with the same agenda.

After watching even the first part of this series, will anyone deny that the source for much of this music is darkness?

My hope is that once people see the truth that they will make better choices.
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So are you willing to accept that apart from coming from 'darkness' as you say the music cannot make you do anything?

The music comes from the same source with the same message and agenda which is what exactly?

How exactly does the music turn people to darkness if they are not already attracted to that or that type of music?

If people like to listen to violent, sexed up music then they already made that decision. I doubt they were lured or brainwashed cus wouldnt we all be brainwashed.

If you could explain how the brainwashing works it would be nice.

I used to listen to rock and some of it would be more eye raising than mainstream music. I guess I missed the part where it lured me to darkness.

What about other forms of entertainment?

Movies, magazines, videogames, sports etc

They come from that same source too but I bet I could more reasonably explain that the source of this entertainment is more interested in money than what ever dark (satanic or whatever) agenda some people keep talking about.

In a world where the bottom line is making money I cant ignore the entertainment industy's attempt to exploit our preoccupation with violence, sex and immorality and then claim its some kind of conspiracy to turn us all evil bit by bit.

I am not defending negative music in any form but its kinda silly when we blame music for people's actions like they are above taking responsibility.

Has anybody in this thread been manipulated, brainwashed or controlled by music or know personally anybody who has suffered in this way?
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OP

I am not denying that music has a captivating and mystical spirit behind the scenes at work influencing the weak minded individuals.

But what I find more of an abomination is when christians manipulate scripture and the Word to fulfill their own agenda.

As in the first video. In the very beginnning they start the series with a quote from 2 Timothy 3, that has absolutely nothing to do with the subject they are trying to teach. They take this scripture passage and apply it towards the musicians. When in fact this passage has nothing to do with those who are being exposed in the video as under demonic control.

Paul wrote this passage to Timothy in regards to the false teachers that have crept into the christian church and it doesn't apply in any way to the series of videos regarding secular music.

""" 1 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days.
2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,
3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good,
4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God—
5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them. """

Those secular musicians in the video series are not the subject of this passage to Timothy, and are not the ones to turn away from. What form of godliness does marilyn manson proclaim... If you watch the video I would say that marilyn manson is hell bent on glorifying satan.

There is most likely a lot of truth shared in the series, but for me when i detect that someone is using the scripture to twist it to fit what they are trying to teach, I generally reject the message and don't try and sort out the wheat from the chaff. but this time I did force myself to watch the first half of the video before I shut it off. And the question I ask is who is truly portraying a form of Godliness, but denying the power of Christ in the video series..
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To be fair, here's a link to a page renouncing not only the aforementioned genres, but classical as well. . .

[link to www.libertygospeltracts.com]

Not that I'm in agreement. I'll be keeping all my Yes and Rush records, thank you.
 Quoting: MuadDib987


You're right. People back in the day thought Mozart was evil and that he sold his soul for that period's idea of rock and roll.

And dag nabbit! Rush is far from evil!
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When I was about 14, I hitch hiked to So Cal.Not knowing my way around, I ended up in the barrio.East LA is not a good place for a young white boy after dark.So, when a local offered me a place to stay, I accepted.
My host was an employee of RCA, and had his own copy of the Mick Jagger film "Performance".He also had lots of other "loot", hand signed nude shots of Janis Joplin, etc, etc, but his prize possession was the Jagger film.
He said he prized it so highly because he enjoyed the dichotomy of good/evil white/black light/dark...
But the most interesting part of the evening was when he was describing the research group he was involved in, whose motto was "If one note makes you tap your feet, what note makes you raise your fist and strike?"
Don't even bother trying to convince me that music doesn't influence people.It does influence people, and despite your protests, you KNOW it does, and did know that before you ever saw this thread.
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What is sadder than that is the knee jerk response of you non religious people.WHERE in the above post is religion referenced? It is not referenced at all, except in your knee jerk imagination.
Any of you into music who would even try to claim that it has no emotional influence are simply being dishonest.
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the video's are "religious" in base and therefore the reaction of blaming music for the ills in society.
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Even though I could have predicted the responses here, I myself do question if there is a problem in all this.I think of how music has influenced my life, how memories of a certain song are tied to certain times of my life, and I begin to wonder--do I really want my emotions influenced by those of a total stranger who may or may not be intentionally manipulating me?

You can say exaxctly the same thing about any of the worlds religous texts. Do you personally know the author(s). No. so they are strangers and if you believe in which evr religion you are allowing others to influence and mold you..NO?

That you would even attempt to deflect the truth of this thread by resorting to religion proves you don't want to deal with the truth.You want to change the subject, because you know it is the truth.
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Are you actually attempting to say organized religion is not manipulative? Boy are you mentally blind.
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Even though I could have predicted the responses here, I myself do question if there is a problem in all this.I think of how music has influenced my life, how memories of a certain song are tied to certain times of my life, and I begin to wonder--do I really want my emotions influenced by those of a total stranger who may or may not be intentionally manipulating me?

You can say exaxctly the same thing about any of the worlds religous texts. Do you personally know the author(s). No. so they are strangers and if you believe in which evr religion you are allowing others to influence and mold you..NO?

That you would even attempt to deflect the truth of this thread by resorting to religion proves you don't want to deal with the truth.You want to change the subject, because you know it is the truth.

Are you actually attempting to say organized religion is not manipulative? Boy are you mentally blind.
 Quoting: Dr Dre 5755

No, and you didn't really think I did, either.I am saying NOTHING about religion, I am saying you are TRYING to change the subject, because this thread is pushing your buttons, and you don't want to deal with it.

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